Invitro fertilization

Dogo · Comandante

RE: Invitro fertilization

X4v13r · Comandante

Guadalupana wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

Guadalupana wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

like i said is a one in a million....it would never get out of hand.......u r most likely to have 3+ kids doing it normally than by invitro.

~X

no offence but what do you know? were you a woman in a past life? are you a doctor? porque even if all your equiptment is running well in there (the womb) it's hard to get pregnant naturally as well.

trust me i know a lot about it because if i didn't i wouldn't say anything.......and I'm talking about the invitro procedure.....invitro has been around for a long time and things like this have been worked out so we wont run into problems like this one........why do u think is such a big news?

~X

I don't know, but you can tell me what google says.

haha......i don't need google.
and if i did need something like that i would use wikipeia.

~X

Guadalupana · Foro Master

X4v13r wrote:

Guadalupana wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

like i said is a one in a million....it would never get out of hand.......u r most likely to have 3+ kids doing it normally than by invitro.

~X

no offence but what do you know? were you a woman in a past life? are you a doctor? porque even if all your equiptment is running well in there (the womb) it's hard to get pregnant naturally as well.

trust me i know a lot about it because if i didn't i wouldn't say anything.......and I'm talking about the invitro procedure.....invitro has been around for a long time and things like this have been worked out so we wont run into problems like this one........why do u think is such a big news?

~X

I don't know, but you can tell me what google says.

X4v13r · Comandante

Guadalupana wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

like i said is a one in a million....it would never get out of hand.......u r most likely to have 3+ kids doing it normally than by invitro.

~X

no offence but what do you know? were you a woman in a past life? are you a doctor? porque even if all your equiptment is running well in there (the womb) it's hard to get pregnant naturally as well.

trust me i know a lot about it because if i didn't i wouldn't say anything.......and I'm talking about the invitro procedure.....invitro has been around for a long time and things like this have been worked out so we wont run into problems like this one........why do u think is such a big news?

~X

Guadalupana · Foro Master

X4v13r wrote:

like i said is a one in a million....it would never get out of hand.......u r most likely to have 3+ kids doing it normally than by invitro.

~X

no offence but what do you know? were you a woman in a past life? are you a doctor? porque even if all your equiptment is running well in there (the womb) it's hard to get pregnant naturally as well.

X4v13r · Comandante

PRINCESSA wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

but u see u don't get it......this is a special case, like they say "one in a million"

~X

There is nothing that would make me believe that anyone that chooses to have kids, should get any money from tax payer $$.

If your make that decision, then be resposible for it.

We know make this "one of a kind" exception & it will get out of hands. Then we have another case like this & again the gov't should help. No way, don't agree.

like i said is a one in a million....it would never get out of hand.......u r most likely to have 3+ kids doing it normally than by invitro.

~X

Guadalupana · Foro Master

PRINCESSA wrote:

I don't want or think that ppl. that can live a good life should get money from gov't, wat I think is that things should be fair & if these couples are paying so much to get pregnant, then they should assume their own responsibility of supporting them without having to ask for help.

My brother chose to have kids, he lives up to that resposibility, no one helps him, therefore I see no excuse for anyone.

That's what i said!
But i agree with you.

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

X4v13r wrote:

but u see u don't get it......this is a special case, like they say "one in a million"

~X

There is nothing that would make me believe that anyone that chooses to have kids, should get any money from tax payer $$.

If your make that decision, then be resposible for it.

We know make this "one of a kind" exception & it will get out of hands. Then we have another case like this & again the gov't should help. No way, don't agree.

X4v13r · Comandante

PRINCESSA wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

actually after 3 tries they tell u not to try it anymore and look into adopting

from what i know is not like just anyone tries Invitro the people that actually try this procedure are hard working people, so u have to look at it this way, they are also paying taxes and in the long run all these kids will be doing the same plus more......so they will pay back+

~X

So then when i have a baby & being a tax payer I should get money/support for my children.

My brother doesn't even get baby bonuses for his kids, cus apparently he makes more then the cut for the bonuses are. BULLSh_t. If these couples get money so should everyone else that has kids. They all spend the same amount of money raising them.

but u see u don't get it......this is a special case, like they say "one in a million"

~X

GENIE · Foro Master

X4v13r wrote:

actually after 3 tries they tell u not to try it anymore and look into adopting

from what i know is not like just anyone tries Invitro the people that actually try this procedure are hard working people, so u have to look at it this way, they are also paying taxes and in the long run all these kids will be doing the same plus more......so they will pay back+

~X

Yeah and if the mother is successful she gets a year off to spend with them! Maternatiy leave! But why should we have to give her extra money because she got four kids instead of the one she wanted?? I mean i pay taxes and eventually my kids will too so let me go try this and if i have more then one kid its ok cuz i paid taxes so now its my turn to feed off it all?? doesnt make sense?

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

Guadalupana wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

actually after 3 tries they tell u not to try it anymore and look into adopting

from what i know is not like just anyone tries Invitro the people that actually try this procedure are hard working people, so u have to look at it this way, they are also paying taxes and in the long run all these kids will be doing the same plus more......so they will pay back+

~X

So then when i have a baby & being a tax payer I should get money/support for my children.

My brother doesn't even get baby bonuses for his kids, cus apparently he makes more then the cut for the bonuses are. BULLSh_t. If these couples get money so should everyone else that has kids. They all spend the same amount of money raising them.

See, i don't understand. If you're well off, capable of living a very good life, providing to your children and so on, why would you want the Gov. involved? I'd want them to leave me the hell alone.

I don't want or think that ppl. that can live a good life should get money from gov't, wat I think is that things should be fair & if these couples are paying so much to get pregnant, then they should assume their own responsibility of supporting them without having to ask for help.

My brother chose to have kids, he lives up to that resposibility, no one helps him, therefore I see no excuse for anyone.

Jaime Cruz · Foro Master

PRINCESSA wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

actually after 3 tries they tell u not to try it anymore and look into adopting

from what i know is not like just anyone tries Invitro the people that actually try this procedure are hard working people, so u have to look at it this way, they are also paying taxes and in the long run all these kids will be doing the same plus more......so they will pay back+

~X

So then when i have a baby & being a tax payer I should get money/support for my children.

My brother doesn't even get baby bonuses for his kids, cus apparently he makes more then the cut for the bonuses are. BULLSh_t. If these couples get money so should everyone else that has kids. They all spend the same amount of money raising them.

I agree
Rich/Poor/Middle Class it is still expensive to raise a kid.

@ Guada - I would have no problems either in getting a child from the childrens aid society.

X4v13r · Comandante

plus something else i forgot to mention, they actually make u sign a paper incase something like this happens, I forgot what is it that they do but u can't have more than 1 or 2 kids.
I'll get back with more info about this when i remember.

~X

Guadalupana · Foro Master

PRINCESSA wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

actually after 3 tries they tell u not to try it anymore and look into adopting

from what i know is not like just anyone tries Invitro the people that actually try this procedure are hard working people, so u have to look at it this way, they are also paying taxes and in the long run all these kids will be doing the same plus more......so they will pay back+

~X

So then when i have a baby & being a tax payer I should get money/support for my children.

My brother doesn't even get baby bonuses for his kids, cus apparently he makes more then the cut for the bonuses are. BULLSh_t. If these couples get money so should everyone else that has kids. They all spend the same amount of money raising them.

See, i don't understand. If you're well off, capable of living a very good life, providing to your children and so on, why would you want the Gov. involved? I'd want them to leave me the hell alone.

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

X4v13r wrote:

actually after 3 tries they tell u not to try it anymore and look into adopting

from what i know is not like just anyone tries Invitro the people that actually try this procedure are hard working people, so u have to look at it this way, they are also paying taxes and in the long run all these kids will be doing the same plus more......so they will pay back+

~X

So then when i have a baby & being a tax payer I should get money/support for my children.

My brother doesn't even get baby bonuses for his kids, cus apparently he makes more then the cut for the bonuses are. BULLSh_t. If these couples get money so should everyone else that has kids. They all spend the same amount of money raising them.

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Jaime Cruz wrote:

A little off topic here, but would you guys adopt from a place like the Childrens aid society where it is free, but you don't know what you get in terms or age, race, gender?

Discuss

I would have no problem. It's not like i'm going to get a cat that i need it to look a certain way. If someone needs me to take care off, i'll do it.

Jaime Cruz · Foro Master

A little off topic here, but would you guys adopt from a place like the Childrens aid society where it is free, but you don't know what you get in terms or age, race, gender?

Discuss

Guadalupana · Foro Master

luna chiquitita wrote:

hmm.. interesting. I do not think that the government aka taxpayers are responsible for the multiple births of couples who have used invitro. It was a choice and a risk these couple make. Come on, it's not the first multiple birth EVER... these ppl know what could possibly happen. NOW, what I do think the government should look at reforming is maybe the costs of these procedures. Why does it cost so much? Maybe if the cost of the procedure wasn't so high, couples wouldn't have to do it all in "one shot".

Maybe it's the equiptment they use? the procedures, keeping it under proper hygenic conditions. I don't know. But i don't think it's as easy as sticking a tampon up there and pop, there you go.

-- Edited by Guadalupana at 11:44, 2007-01-11

Motown Junkie · TOP Guru

Guadalupana wrote:

Motown Junkie wrote:

Guadalupana wrote:

So i'm sure you guys heard about the toronto couple that recently welcomed sextuplets.

I thought they were from BC.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/169175

Gracias, pero didn't you see my (i think i heard right)?

Which was stated AFTER the second paragraph thus pertaining to that paragraph alone!!!

Anyway, this question is too hard.

What if people who really want children don't have a choice and they have to resort to invitro?

I have no idea what I'm talking about right now.

JC's answer looks pretty good to me, so I agree.

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Jaime Cruz wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

this is a really hard question to answer and it needs more thought it to it, all i have to say is not as easy as u make it sound and the chances of something like this to happen are very small.

~X

I agree. There is a girl who works with me. She is 29 and has been married since she was 20. Her husband and her have been trying to have a baby for years and have tried Invitro 3 times. It's actually a bit more than $10g's. She says it's about $14,000.00
The chances of having multiple births are there, but not high. In her case it has not been effective. She has now given up on Invitro because of the expense and is looking to adopt. That is another expensive approach, but she is doing it through the Childrens aid society which is a free process, but you don't get to choose what you get. She could get a baby or a 12 year old, but at this point will take anything.

I also agree with Guada though. You should put careful thought in everything you do, and if multiple births are a possibility you have to be sure you are ready for the responsability.

I never said that people going through treatment are always successful, i know it isn't easy because i also know people who have been heartbroken because it didn't work.
But i am a tad bothered at the fact that those who succeed in having a family have the nerve to ask for more.

X4v13r · Comandante

Jaime Cruz wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

this is a really hard question to answer and it needs more thought it to it, all i have to say is not as easy as u make it sound and the chances of something like this to happen are very small.

~X

I agree. There is a girl who works with me. She is 29 and has been married since she was 20. Her husband and her have been trying to have a baby for years and have tried Invitro 3 times. It's actually a bit more than $10g's. She says it's about $14,000.00
The chances of having multiple births are there, but not high. In her case it has not been effective. She has now given up on Invitro because of the expense and is looking to adopt. That is another expensive approach, but she is doing it through the Childrens aid society which is a free process, but you don't get to choose what you get. She could get a baby or a 12 year old, but at this point will take anything.

I also agree with Guada though. You should put careful thought in everything you do, and if multiple births are a possibility you have to be sure you are ready for the responsability.

actually after 3 tries they tell u not to try it anymore and look into adopting

from what i know is not like just anyone tries Invitro the people that actually try this procedure are hard working people, so u have to look at it this way, they are also paying taxes and in the long run all these kids will be doing the same plus more......so they will pay back+

~X

luna chiquitita · TOP Guru

hmm.. interesting. I do not think that the government aka taxpayers are responsible for the multiple births of couples who have used invitro. It was a choice and a risk these couple make. Come on, it's not the first multiple birth EVER... these ppl know what could possibly happen. NOW, what I do think the government should look at reforming is maybe the costs of these procedures. Why does it cost so much? Maybe if the cost of the procedure wasn't so high, couples wouldn't have to do it all in "one shot".

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Motown Junkie wrote:

Guadalupana wrote:

So i'm sure you guys heard about the toronto couple that recently welcomed sextuplets.

I thought they were from BC.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/169175

Gracias, pero didn't you see my (i think i heard right)?

Motown Junkie · TOP Guru

Guadalupana wrote:

So i'm sure you guys heard about the toronto couple that recently welcomed sextuplets.

I thought they were from BC.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/169175

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

GENIE wrote:

God wrote:

why Gov should pay ??? If they want kids they should pay is not Tax Payers responsability to get'em pregnant, if they really want kids they should cover all the expenses from their pockets.

Same rationale would apply to the cost of adopting ???

Now Tax payers have to fund Non-fertile couples...No way Jose

very well put!!! but let me get on the other side then why do we pay for unwed teenage mothers and women on welfare??

I mean i totally agree with you! but im just being a pain to see the other side. (mind you i know that one has nada to do with the other but i mean tax money wise)

@ God: True True. I agree

@Genie: I don't think we should pay/help younge mother/women or welfare. If they chose to have the kid then the should think on how to support them selfs & the baby. As to wlefare, well too much abuse, so they should cut if off.

Jaime Cruz · Foro Master

X4v13r wrote:

this is a really hard question to answer and it needs more thought it to it, all i have to say is not as easy as u make it sound and the chances of something like this to happen are very small.

~X

I agree. There is a girl who works with me. She is 29 and has been married since she was 20. Her husband and her have been trying to have a baby for years and have tried Invitro 3 times. It's actually a bit more than $10g's. She says it's about $14,000.00
The chances of having multiple births are there, but not high. In her case it has not been effective. She has now given up on Invitro because of the expense and is looking to adopt. That is another expensive approach, but she is doing it through the Childrens aid society which is a free process, but you don't get to choose what you get. She could get a baby or a 12 year old, but at this point will take anything.

I also agree with Guada though. You should put careful thought in everything you do, and if multiple births are a possibility you have to be sure you are ready for the responsability.

GENIE · Foro Master

God wrote:

Guadalupana wrote:

So i'm sure you guys heard about the toronto couple that recently welcomed sextuplets.

Now, some people undergoing fertility treatment wants the Gov. to cover the cost (or partial) of the multiple births (providing support and so on) since it's economically straining when caring for more than one child on the same age.

(i think i heard right)

Either way, the couple going through the treatment have the multiple eggs implanted to increase the chances of implant. And more often than not, a few eggs get fertilized and stick on. Which makes sense, since it cost 10G's to have it done per session. So why not do more in one shot right?

So my question is, why don't they want to face the responsibilty after? I think it's silly to ask for the Gov. to support your multiple births. But this is just my opinion.

What do you guys think?

why Gov should pay ??? If they want kids they should pay is not Tax Payers responsability to get'em pregnant, if they really want kids they should cover all the expenses from their pockets.

Same rationale would apply to the cost of adopting ???

Now Tax payers have to fund Non-fertile couples...No way Jose

very well put!!! but let me get on the other side then why do we pay for unwed teenage mothers and women on welfare??

I mean i totally agree with you! but im just being a pain to see the other side. (mind you i know that one has nada to do with the other but i mean tax money wise)

God · Foro Master

Guadalupana wrote:

So i'm sure you guys heard about the toronto couple that recently welcomed sextuplets.

Now, some people undergoing fertility treatment wants the Gov. to cover the cost (or partial) of the multiple births (providing support and so on) since it's economically straining when caring for more than one child on the same age.

(i think i heard right)

Either way, the couple going through the treatment have the multiple eggs implanted to increase the chances of implant. And more often than not, a few eggs get fertilized and stick on. Which makes sense, since it cost 10G's to have it done per session. So why not do more in one shot right?

So my question is, why don't they want to face the responsibilty after? I think it's silly to ask for the Gov. to support your multiple births. But this is just my opinion.

What do you guys think?

why Gov should pay ??? If they want kids they should pay is not Tax Payers responsability to get'em pregnant, if they really want kids they should cover all the expenses from their pockets.

Same rationale would apply to the cost of adopting ???

Now Tax payers have to fund Non-fertile couples...No way Jose

X4v13r · Comandante

this is a really hard question to answer and it needs more thought it to it, all i have to say is not as easy as u make it sound and the chances of something like this to happen are very small.

~X

GENIE · Foro Master

Guadalupana wrote:

So i'm sure you guys heard about the toronto couple that recently welcomed sextuplets. Now, some people undergoing fertility treatment wants the Gov. to cover the cost (or partial) of the multiple births (providing support and so on) since it's economically straining when caring for more than one child on the same age. (i think i heard right) Either way, the couple going through the treatment have the multiple eggs implanted to increase the chances of implant. And more often than not, a few eggs get fertilized and stick on. Which makes sense, since it cost 10G's to have it done per session. So why not do more in one shot right? So my question is, why don't they want to face the responsibilty after? I think it's silly to ask for the Gov. to support your multiple births. But this is just my opinion. What do you guys think?

I agree with you! I mean its a treatment that cost alot of Money and if you can afford it then you should be aware of what can happen and how many babies you might end up with! Its a personal choice that you make so it should be your responsibility no?

Guadalupana · Foro Master

So i'm sure you guys heard about the toronto couple that recently welcomed sextuplets.

Now, some people undergoing fertility treatment wants the Gov. to cover the cost (or partial) of the multiple births (providing support and so on) since it's economically straining when caring for more than one child on the same age.

(i think i heard right)

Either way, the couple going through the treatment have the multiple eggs implanted to increase the chances of implant. And more often than not, a few eggs get fertilized and stick on. Which makes sense, since it cost 10G's to have it done per session. So why not do more in one shot right?

So my question is, why don't they want to face the responsibilty after? I think it's silly to ask for the Gov. to support your multiple births. But this is just my opinion.

What do you guys think?