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Holly cow - que mala suerte de tu amigo, DC...


Note to self: don't throw back spoones EVER - use ripe tomatoes instead!


Note to self 2: Don't mess with Princessa or Princessa's property!



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sucks to be him !! he ll probably get a criminal record too !!good luck findin a job with that



IN HIS CASE IT DOESN'T MATTER. HE SELLS HIS ART WORK AND JEWELLERY IN GALLERIES. HE IS GOING TO BE OK!!!



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sucks to be him !! he ll probably get a criminal record too !!good luck findin a job with that


THAT'S RIGHT.....THE SMALLEST ACTION HAS A REPROCATION...

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MY FRIEND HAS BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH HIS G/F. THEY HAD  VERBAL ARGUMENTS ALL WEEKEND AND ON SUNDAY SHE THREW A SPOON AT HIM. HE GRABBED THE SPOON AND THREW IT BK. THE BAD PART IS THAT HE HIT HER IN THE BK OF HER NECK AND SHE GOT A SMALL CUT. SHE DECIDED TO GO TO DA HOSPITAL TO GET CHECKED OUT. THE DOCTOR ASKED HER WHAT HAD HAPPEN TO HER AND SHE TOLD THEM. MINUTES LATER POLICE SHOWED UP AT DA HOSPITAL TO TAKE A STATEMENT AND NOW MY FRIEND IS IN JAIL. THE COPS CHARGE HIM WITH 3 COUNTS.


-ASSAULT


-ASSAULT WITH A WEAPON


-MISCHIEF


I TRIED TO BAIL HIM OUT BUT IS SOME WT COMPLICATED. JUDGE DOESN'T LIKE LETTING PEOPLE OUT ON BAIL WHEN IS A DOMESTIC ASSAULT. THEY SEE IT AS HAVING A WORST OUTCOME IF THEY FREE THE PERSON.


DO U GUYS THINK IS FAIR FOR HIM TO GO TO JAIL WHEN ALL HE DID WAS RETURN THE SPOON AT HER WHEN SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO THROW IT???  




sucks to be him !! he ll probably get a criminal record too !!good luck findin a job with that

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@ DC - I'll keep u in mind if anything happens to me or if any spoon hits me.



JEEZ!!! NOTE TO SELF, ENSURE NOBODY HURTS PRINCESSA OR I'M PRIME SUSPECT. MUST BUY HIGH TECH SPOON TO MAKE SURE JOB IS ACCOMPLISH!!! B4 IS TOO LATE.LOL...



 



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@ DC - I'll keep u in mind if anything happens to me or if any spoon hits me.

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XAVIER MAKE NOTES. DON'T EVEN DARE TO PLAY FIGHT WITH HER CAUSE SHE WILL TURN INTO FREDDY KRUEGER. LOL...







I meant if he hurt me for real, play fight is ok (don't bruise me thou-LOL j/k).


I think I was 19 or so & some guy threw a lighter to my car & slighty dented it. Well he had to appologizes in front of his buddies, if he didnt want me to press charges for assault, not a good move of him + he had been in the past with troubles & he appraently always bullied ppl. Needless to say he paid me the damages & never looked at me again. Good boy, learned fast.






JESUS CHRIST!!! NOTE TO SELF, DO NOT MESS WITH PRINCESSA...MIGHT HAVE TO USE DA DRIVE BY SPOONING TECHNIQUE. JAIME CRUZ I NEED A DRIVER. CAN U HELP??? SHE MUST LEARN A LESSON NOT TO BE MEAN LIKE DAT. LOL...



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XAVIER MAKE NOTES. DON'T EVEN DARE TO PLAY FIGHT WITH HER CAUSE SHE WILL TURN INTO FREDDY KRUEGER. LOL...






I meant if he hurt me for real, play fight is ok (don't bruise me thou-LOL j/k).


I think I was 19 or so & some guy threw a lighter to my car & slighty dented it. Well he had to appologizes in front of his buddies, if he didnt want me to press charges for assault, not a good move of him + he had been in the past with troubles & he appraently always bullied ppl. Needless to say he paid me the damages & never looked at me again. Good boy, learned fast.



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@ DC - that's too bad for ur buddy.


Althou I'm a true believer that I girl states how she wants to be respected, so I personally wouldn't hit any guy, BUT if any guy ever hits me......ohh boy Poor Him, cus i would do everything & anything to make him regret it for the resty of his life. I'll be his worst nightmare.


Anyhow glad to hear his out.


 






XAVIER MAKE NOTES. DON'T EVEN DARE TO PLAY FIGHT WITH HER CAUSE SHE WILL TURN INTO FREDDY KRUEGER. LOL...



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@ DC - that's too bad for ur buddy.


Althou I'm a true believer that I girl states how she wants to be respected, so I personally wouldn't hit any guy, BUT if any guy ever hits me......ohh boy Poor Him, cus i would do everything & anything to make him regret it for the resty of his life. I'll be his worst nightmare.


Anyhow glad to hear his out.


 



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I hope your friend seeks revenge now that he's out and pulls a drive by spooning on her.




YEAH, MAYBE U CAN BE THE DRIVER WHILE HE SPOONS HER TO DEATH!!! LOL...






 LOL!! You guys are too funny! I guess that's the new thing now......SPOONING your GF/BF if they piss you off!!! LOL




THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY IN WEAPONS. BUY ONE NOW B4 IS TOO LATE. U MIGHT NEED IT!!!




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I hope your friend seeks revenge now that he's out and pulls a drive by spooning on her.




YEAH, MAYBE U CAN BE THE DRIVER WHILE HE SPOONS HER TO DEATH!!! LOL...





 LOL!! You guys are too funny! I guess that's the new thing now......SPOONING your GF/BF if they piss you off!!! LOL

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I hope your friend seeks revenge now that he's out and pulls a drive by spooning on her.



YEAH, MAYBE U CAN BE THE DRIVER WHILE HE SPOONS HER TO DEATH!!! LOL...




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I hope your friend seeks revenge now that he's out and pulls a drive by spooning on her.

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WELL, I'M BK TO WORK TODAY AFTER 3 EXHAUSTING DAYS TRYING TO GET MY FRIEND OUT OF JAIL. FINALLY, ONCE AGAIN MONEY AND CONNECTIONS SEEMS TO PAY OFF. MONEY TALKS AND I DID WT THE LEGAL AID LAWYERS SD WAS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE. I GOT HIM OUT OF JAIL.  $5,500 DOLLARS LATER HE IS A FREE MAN. IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS HOW DA SYSTEM WORKS. JEEZ, I MET SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO MANY STORIES ON HOW PEOPLE GOT ARRESTED OVER STUPID THINGS. IS UNBELIVABLE!!!

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MY FRIEND HAS BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH HIS G/F. THEY HAD  VERBAL ARGUMENTS ALL WEEKEND AND ON SUNDAY SHE THREW A SPOON AT HIM. HE GRABBED THE SPOON AND THREW IT BK. THE BAD PART IS THAT HE HIT HER IN THE BK OF HER NECK AND SHE GOT A SMALL CUT. SHE DECIDED TO GO TO DA HOSPITAL TO GET CHECKED OUT. THE DOCTOR ASKED HER WHAT HAD HAPPEN TO HER AND SHE TOLD THEM. MINUTES LATER POLICE SHOWED UP AT DA HOSPITAL TO TAKE A STATEMENT AND NOW MY FRIEND IS IN JAIL. THE COPS CHARGE HIM WITH 3 COUNTS.


-ASSAULT


-ASSAULT WITH A WEAPON


-MISCHIEF


I TRIED TO BAIL HIM OUT BUT IS SOME WT COMPLICATED. JUDGE DOESN'T LIKE LETTING PEOPLE OUT ON BAIL WHEN IS A DOMESTIC ASSAULT. THEY SEE IT AS HAVING A WORST OUTCOME IF THEY FREE THE PERSON.


DO U GUYS THINK IS FAIR FOR HIM TO GO TO JAIL WHEN ALL HE DID WAS RETURN THE SPOON AT HER WHEN SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO THROW IT???  






they both should go on jerry springer


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1. i laughed when i read she threw the spoon, but stopped soon after i continued reading, only to realize that things got worse, and it wasn't funny any more.

2. No it's unfair, she's a total biotch for having done what she did and turning him in the way she did. But maybe he'll learn not to mess with the wrath of a woman...

3. So we've all told you (from what i've read) that it's unfair, what will you do with this info? print it out and give it to the judge? like a pledge form?



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i feel like eating cherries

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Ok then......that explains a lot.....holy moly guacamole.....LOL


Did that spoon cut her...OR scoop her up and take her to the hospital....


 


Ok I feel bad....Don Chelo (sori ah).....I don't mean to make light of the situation.....it's a foro thing....to get caught up and get carried away sometimes.....



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Can someone please post a picture of the "assault weapon"

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I was thinking the same thing Ladybug just pointed out.


That spoon must have been flying very fast to cause a cut. 


Not only the speed - what about the total disregard of where the spoon was thrown? Throwing an object at someone's head shows intention to harm.    From the police point of view this is not acceptable and I agree.   Just think of the outcome if it was something more dangerous he threw to the back of someone's head!


Don Chelo, your friend needs to think before he acts, regardless of what his gf does.


 





On that same note, being thanksgiving and all, what if it was a serving spoon, one of those big metal thingys. I'm rethinking my "who throws a spoon" theory. Big spoons are dangerous. And what if it was one of those big wooden spoons that people bring as ornaments. Those are gigantic.


I know I'm being an ass, but seriously, Don Chelo, what your friend did is a It was the intention, not the object. In fact, thank God it was a spoon. Had it been a knife, you wouldn't be going to City Hall right now to pick up your friend.



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I was thinking the same thing Ladybug just pointed out.


That spoon must have been flying very fast to cause a cut. 


Not only the speed - what about the total disregard of where the spoon was thrown? Throwing an object at someone's head shows intention to harm.    From the police point of view this is not acceptable and I agree.   Just think of the outcome if it was something more dangerous he threw to the back of someone's head!


Don Chelo, your friend needs to think before he acts, regardless of what his gf does.


 



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Ok....so I'm still trying to figure out HOW a spoon can cause a CUT 


...A bruise maybe, a bump maybe, soarness maybe....but a CUT!?!?!


And so serious that she had to go to the hospital.....




Sounds like he "whipped" the spoon and not just threw it or tossed it back. crazy kids.... i tell ya....

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Ok....so I'm still trying to figure out HOW a spoon can cause a CUT 


...A bruise maybe, a bump maybe, soarness maybe....but a CUT!?!?!


And so serious that she had to go to the hospital.....




 That's what i was thinking. But the impact was probably so hard that it caused a cut. Trust me girl, my brother was playing basketball one day & he got elbowed so hard on his forehead, which caused a cut. I remember him calling me to drive him to the hospital cause he thought he might need stiches. I just laughed so hard over the phone & told him he was overreacting! But needles to say, he was right! It was gross, he needed quit a few stiches to heal that cut up!

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Ok....so I'm still trying to figure out HOW a spoon can cause a CUT 


...A bruise maybe, a bump maybe, soarness maybe....but a CUT!?!?!


And so serious that she had to go to the hospital.....



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MY FRIEND HAS BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH HIS G/F. THEY HAD  VERBAL ARGUMENTS ALL WEEKEND AND ON SUNDAY SHE THREW A SPOON AT HIM. HE GRABBED THE SPOON AND THREW IT BK. THE BAD PART IS THAT HE HIT HER IN THE BK OF HER NECK AND SHE GOT A SMALL CUT. SHE DECIDED TO GO TO DA HOSPITAL TO GET CHECKED OUT. THE DOCTOR ASKED HER WHAT HAD HAPPEN TO HER AND SHE TOLD THEM. MINUTES LATER POLICE SHOWED UP AT DA HOSPITAL TO TAKE A STATEMENT AND NOW MY FRIEND IS IN JAIL. THE COPS CHARGE HIM WITH 3 COUNTS.


-ASSAULT


-ASSAULT WITH A WEAPON


-MISCHIEF


I TRIED TO BAIL HIM OUT BUT IS SOME WT COMPLICATED. JUDGE DOESN'T LIKE LETTING PEOPLE OUT ON BAIL WHEN IS A DOMESTIC ASSAULT. THEY SEE IT AS HAVING A WORST OUTCOME IF THEY FREE THE PERSON.


DO U GUYS THINK IS FAIR FOR HIM TO GO TO JAIL WHEN ALL HE DID WAS RETURN THE SPOON AT HER WHEN SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO THROW IT???  






Why doenst he file assult with a weapon or INTENT to do bodily harm??? Im sorry but in this case, SHES THE NUT JOB!!, he should break up with her and file for a retraining order keep her far away! Trust me! shes no good for him


 



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WOW!! That's crazy! First of all, they both should have never resorted to violence. As funny as it may sound, she should have never thrown a spoon at him. But he should have also just walked away when she did that. By throwing the spoon at eachother, they BOTH did have the intention of hurting eachother.


Now it's unfortunate that he's going through all this. It's going to be hard to convince the Judge on what really happened. Domestic Violence on a woman is taken seriously in a court of law. In general... because of this sometimes woman take advantage and when upset they will physically hurt themselves and then blame it on their man. Or sometimes they may just add more to the story. Who knows maybe this was the case. I've seen it happen Woman can be very evil/vindictive sometimes.


Because of their childish act, he is now going to have a record on him and altough he can try and get a pardon years down the road, this will haunt him for a good while!


Anyhoo, what kind of relationhip is that when you both have the intention of hurting eachother, whether it's verbally or phsycal violence.


If your friend needs a referral to a good lawyer, let me know!



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Salsera de Corazon wrote:


we could try but you know there is a lot of women here that take advantage of the LAW in here, aca la mujer esta protegida y hay muchas que abusan de eso



I've heard that line so many times, but I'm glad to know that is not true... I've know several cases of men using self defense, in some cases men breaking women arms after a violent attack with a weapon and yet, the case still ruled in favor of the man.


My suggestion...


if dialog doesn't work, take a cold shower and resume negotiations... if you see that violence is the only way out, just walk away (as you previously said)


 



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WELL I'M OFF TO GET MY FRIEND OUT. I HAVE TO BE AT OLD CITY HALL FOR 11AM. I'M SURE MONEY TALKS AND I WILL GET HIM OUT EVENTHOUGH THEY TELLL ME IS GOING TO BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET HIM OUT ON THE BAIL PROGRAM. WISH ME GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!! S..T, AFTER GOING TO COURT SO MANY TIMES FOR NUMEROUS REASONS I SHOULD BECOME A LAWYER. LOL...  

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Well Chelo I feel sorry for your friend but, the thing is that NO MEN should loose their temper with a Woman, I know that sometimes we can be BIt**S but that doesn't make the men to loose it, see guys should just walk away from it, instead of arguing or fighting with a women.



no women should have violent physical contact with men... women that have voilent outbreak should be locked away for their own safety. Remember that self defense is permited by law and could backfire on the attacker.







well yeah but here WOMEN takes the advantage like I said to Daeveed, I feel bad for the guy she shouldn't had throw the spoon in the first place, but he did also wrong



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Well Chelo I feel sorry for your friend but, the thing is that NO MEN should loose their temper with a Woman, I know that sometimes we can be BIt**S but that doesn't make the men to loose it, see guys should just walk away from it, instead of arguing or fighting with a women.



 


How about trying not to be a ****?






we could try but you know there is a lot of women here that take advantage of the LAW in here, aca la mujer esta protegida y hay muchas que abusan de eso



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Well Chelo I feel sorry for your friend but, the thing is that NO MEN should loose their temper with a Woman, I know that sometimes we can be BIt**S but that doesn't make the men to loose it, see guys should just walk away from it, instead of arguing or fighting with a women.



no women should have violent physical contact with men... women that have voilent outbreak should be locked away for their own safety. Remember that self defense is permited by law and could backfire on the attacker.



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How about trying not to be a ****?




that's like asking men not to think about sex.

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Well Chelo I feel sorry for your friend but, the thing is that NO MEN should loose their temper with a Woman, I know that sometimes we can be BIt**S but that doesn't make the men to loose it, see guys should just walk away from it, instead of arguing or fighting with a women.



 


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Well Chelo I feel sorry for your friend but, the thing is that NO MEN should loose their temper with a Woman, I know that sometimes we can be BIt**S but that doesn't make the men to loose it, see guys should just walk away from it, instead of arguing or fighting with a women.

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Asking if it's fair....is like asking if the Law is fair.....


The thing is....had SHE thrown the spoon at him and cut him.....she would NOT have gone to jail for any accounts......so of course it's not "fair".....he should have controlled his temper and all that....but no one can judge unless you're in that scenario of heatedness....


I also think some women in general se aprovechan when they smack a guy knowing well he won't touch them in return.....IF he's a gentleman....othjerwise those women deserve to get smacked!  LOL


Could it be that she told the cops "more to the story"....


 






SHE TOLD THEM DAT HE KEEPS GETTING MORE VERBALLY ABUSIVE AND DAT HE HAS A DRINKING PROBLEM. DATS NOT KOOL CAUSE HE GOES OUT ON DA WEEKENDS AND HAS A FEW DRINKS JUST LIKE ME OR ANYONE ELSE. NOW DA POLICE THINKS HE IS A PSYCHO ALCOHOLIC INDIVIDUAL CAPABLE OF KILLING HER. TO TOP THINGS UP, THE POLICE TOOK PICTURES OF HIS SWORDS AND KNIFES HE COLLECTS AND HAS THEM DISPLAY ON HIS ROOM AND WALL. THEY HAD MADE A COMMENT THAT HE IS DANGEROUS AND IS PREPARING TO DO SOMETHING DRASTIC. DATS BUNCH OF BULL S..T. I KNOW HIM FOR TEN YRS AND HE DOESNT EVEN LIKE FIGHTING ANYONE.



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Based on the facts provided this only proves one thing....


Men are stupid and Women are just plain vindictive....


 


hehehe... ok so let's be serious.  Is it "fair"? well the short answer is NO, HOWEVER, we are not dealing with 8 year olds here.  These are two adults who both acted like 8 year olds.  The GF is in the wrong for throwing the spoon in the first place, but this does not justify his action.  He should have screamed or whatever but NEVER under no circumstance, reciprocate the physical violence.  The only time use of a weapon is acceptable is if its for self-defense and even then, it only applies in SEVERE circumstances.


Tough break for your buddy but he seriously shouldn't have thrown that spoon.  Now his record is tainted and he'll be known as a "wife-beater".






I AGREE WITH U. I WAS SO UPSET DAT THEY WR ACTING LIKE KIDS THROWING SPOONS AROUND. WHEN I SPOKE TO THEM I WAS LECTURING THEM. I DID TELL HIM DA PREVIOUS NIGHT B4 HE GOT ARRESTED. IF SHE GETS UPSET AND STARTS ARGUING WALK AWAY AND DONT PAY ATTENTION. LET HER COOL DOWN.



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Asking if it's fair....is like asking if the Law is fair.....


The thing is....had SHE thrown the spoon at him and cut him.....she would NOT have gone to jail for any accounts......so of course it's not "fair".....he should have controlled his temper and all that....but no one can judge unless you're in that scenario of heatedness....


I also think some women in general se aprovechan when they smack a guy knowing well he won't touch them in return.....IF he's a gentleman....othjerwise those women deserve to get smacked!  LOL


Could it be that she told the cops "more to the story"....


 



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That sucks Chelo.


Unfortunately, you have to remember that the system is not a Justice System, instead, it's a Legal System.


To me, it is unfair, of course, but thinking of it in these terms is useless when confronted with what the law says.



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Who throws a spoon! Honestly!



I throw tomatoes... AT YOU!


*wishing it was a spoon*



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Based on the facts provided this only proves one thing....


Men are stupid and Women are just plain vindictive....


 


hehehe... ok so let's be serious.  Is it "fair"? well the short answer is NO, HOWEVER, we are not dealing with 8 year olds here.  These are two adults who both acted like 8 year olds.  The GF is in the wrong for throwing the spoon in the first place, but this does not justify his action.  He should have screamed or whatever but NEVER under no circumstance, reciprocate the physical violence.  The only time use of a weapon is acceptable is if its for self-defense and even then, it only applies in SEVERE circumstances.


Tough break for your buddy but he seriously shouldn't have thrown that spoon.  Now his record is tainted and he'll be known as a "wife-beater".



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Who throws a spoon! Honestly!

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MY FRIEND HAS BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH HIS G/F. THEY HAD  VERBAL ARGUMENTS ALL WEEKEND AND ON SUNDAY SHE THREW A SPOON AT HIM. HE GRABBED THE SPOON AND THREW IT BK. THE BAD PART IS THAT HE HIT HER IN THE BK OF HER NECK AND SHE GOT A SMALL CUT. SHE DECIDED TO GO TO DA HOSPITAL TO GET CHECKED OUT. THE DOCTOR ASKED HER WHAT HAD HAPPEN TO HER AND SHE TOLD THEM. MINUTES LATER POLICE SHOWED UP AT DA HOSPITAL TO TAKE A STATEMENT AND NOW MY FRIEND IS IN JAIL. THE COPS CHARGE HIM WITH 3 COUNTS.


-ASSAULT


-ASSAULT WITH A WEAPON


-MISCHIEF


I TRIED TO BAIL HIM OUT BUT IS SOME WT COMPLICATED. JUDGE DOESN'T LIKE LETTING PEOPLE OUT ON BAIL WHEN IS A DOMESTIC ASSAULT. THEY SEE IT AS HAVING A WORST OUTCOME IF THEY FREE THE PERSON.


DO U GUYS THINK IS FAIR FOR HIM TO GO TO JAIL WHEN ALL HE DID WAS RETURN THE SPOON AT HER WHEN SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO THROW IT???  



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