Even though this post started off as being one the more asinine ones I began to read some of the responses and realized that it does hit a collective nerve among us. I cannot speak for anyone else but myself and will do so...

I came to torontohispano because i was indeed looking for people who have a hispanic background but were not the types I kept meeting in latino clubs in toronto. It seems I kept encountering the stereotypical latino (you know the ones that whites make fun of). I could not understand why that when I 've visited chile, or argentina, or spain, or even miami that I could easily meet intelligent professional latino's who didn't fit the stereotypical image. They didn't go to latino clubs, dance salsa eat the same latino foods. The listened to rock, were interested in foreign cultures including foods and languages, etc. They were in fact very cosmopolitan.

(My theory is that a lot of latinos in Canada are from the rural areas and were not very cosmopolitan when they livd there. Similarly, a lot of Woodbridge Italians and Portuguese are from the rural areas (villages and islands) and have very little in common then the italians from Rome/Milan or Lisbon)

However many latinos here generally seem to be very protective if not insular. They see anything latino as the best and resist the dominate culture. Great for preserving your heritage ...terrible for meeting new (and different) people.

If I may borrow from popular culture the case of the recent Survivor premise. I was total aghast at the racial divisions but then I slowly began to realize something. The show was illustrating the fact that just because you were of the same race it doesn't mean you will get along with each other. I bring up this example because when we moved to Canada my parents made an effort to hook up with other chilenos. However they became aware that the only thing they had in common with a lot of them was that they were from chile.  They in fact became better friends with Canadians.

I tried hanging out in salsa clubs and even learned how to dance salsa because it was a way of meeting other latinos. When I go back to chile and hang out con mi primos no one dances salsa and they all listen to rock.

I still come to the foro because I encounter a lot of latinos who don't conform to the stereotypical notions of what it means to be latino. Something you, Sabornuevo, seem to want to change.

 

-- Edited by neruda at 17:32, 2006-10-10

sooo the parents r too blame...

i dunno...but their r some latinos out there that act  and talk like the next gringo...its like they  have  absolutely nooo latin culture around them ...gente fria...that say hi to you with a stupid nod in the face .....u get what im saying?

 

no sweetie ur different;p^^^

trust me!!!

LaDyBuG wrote:

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I thought something else....like "white washed" Latinos

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He bashed them as well

and i agree with him..

its very annoying when i meet a fellow ecuadorian and we start talking about our country and he looks at me with a face ...

i talk in spanish...and the mofo responds in english

yaaaaaaaaa!!!

i think  hes bashing those latinos who r not into the latin scene ...

u know..the ones that think they r higher class..anti ghetto.. to be chilling in privlige on weekends...

we have a hand full of them here.... ohhh welll to each's own

-- Edited by DANNY at 14:48, 2006-10-10

i was going to write something long and descriptive and touch up on most of the comments even the KIDS in the forum that only know how to call something stupid when they are up set. If you are upset at this thread then i did what i set out to do. IT was to piss off the people that think they are too cool to hang with us! ie the gringo latino
 
 
 

Ok back on topic....

So if a Latino that doesn't "act" so Latino is called a Gringo Latino...

What does that make a Latino recien llegado?   ...a FOB?  (fresh off the boat) 

Discuss.....

Daeveed wrote:

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LaDyBuG wrote:

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Good answer!!

Had you said.... he was not on your list at all....I would have called you a Gringo Latino  LOL

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LOL.....you know I'm 99% joking.....

LaDyBuG wrote:

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Good answer!!

Had you said.... he was not on your list at all....I would have called you a Gringo Latino  LOL

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LaDyBuG wrote:

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Mastropiero wrote:

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Can you please tell me what kind of Latino I am ?  

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You are a well-rounded, open minded person.....with a Latino nationaility.....

psssssttt

(but tell me the truth..........you really don't like Daddy Yankee that much?)      LOL

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Thanks LB.....I like that!

I never say that I don't like him in fact he is in my Top 1000 favourite artists, probably in the low nine hundreds.....but still there.....

 

 

LaDyBuG wrote:

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miguel wrote:

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i am one fakeass latino it seems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hahahahahaha, this thread is retarded.

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I know for a fact that you know more about your Peruvian culture and traditions than Eddie (SN) knows about his Republica Dominicana......and I think you were both born here.....

But (people of the jury) does that make Miguel more of a Latino than Eddie?  No! ...LOL LOL

So I agree with GuadaLupe Fiasco.....it's not all based on the music....

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i was actually born in peru but..

you know, growing up i was pretty much the only spanish speaker (along with my bro) everywhere i was. didn't have any spanish speaking friends (outside of my family) up till i was like 22. not sure how that makes me more gringo than anyone else, but if it does, whatever. SN don't be so quick to judge. you're way off base.

LaDyBuG wrote:

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GENIE wrote:

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             escuseme!!! i said it frist not here MMMMMEEEEEEEE JEBUS WHY U NO LISTEN TO MMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

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Well....allo? ....why u no say SODDDDAAAAAAAAAA.......LOL

 OK FINE SOOODDDDAAA DEN!!!! LOLLOL!!!!

 

LaDyBuG wrote:

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I have friends who would be labeled by SN as "Gringo Latinos"...(and I know some of you can relate or know people like this as well)

They are born in Canada Latinos, who were brought up in predominantly white neighbourhoods, with Italian or Canadian friends (per say)....and have only grown up listening to Alternative music and Hip-hop...or commercial radio Dance/House music.....

They don't speak Spanish....don't eat Latin food (unless made by mom)....because they are not involved in any shape or form with the Latin COMMUNITY....they don't watch Latin TV shows.....don't go on Spanish info-related forums.....could care less if Reggaeton made such an explosion.....and if Celia Cruz passed away (RIP)......

The can't tell the difference between Salsa, Merengue, Bachata and Horchata......lol

They speak Spanish with the Jennifer Lopez accent.......MALAH! (inside joke) LOL

BUT....

At the end of the day......they will still wave their Colombian, Argentinian, Ecuadorian flag at any world cup game.....even if Hockey is their favorite sport....

They have names like Carlos, Jose, Maria....with last names Garcia, Rodriguez, Cruz.....

Their backgrounds may lead to an Incan, Mayana, Aztec or Taino "empire".....

They will celebrate a Quinceañera with their Spanish speaking family members.....

And if at any point they are asked for their "Nationality" they will name their Latin Country....

 

After babbling on....my only point is that.......at the end of the day.....

THEY ARE STILL JUST AS HISPANIC/LATINOS....as someone who does the opposite!

......they just "lack" or have not been encouraged/educated or raised with more knowledge/experience of their own culture.....

They are CULTURALLY-CHALLENGED.....and because so, they have adapted to the one culture that was always "in their face".....be it Italian, Jamaican or Canadian......but this doesn't make them less open minded, less Latino, more stuck up, or white-washed as people tend to assume......

The same points can be made for kids raised in a predominantly Black neighbourhood.....

 

I can't thank my parents enough for exposing us to all cultures....and literally forcing us to speak our language at home and all that stuff......I can now proudly say I speak 5 languages and experience the BEST of all 5 cultures....EVENTHOUGH....musically speaking....it's SPANISH MUSIC where my heart is.....T

he more cultures you know...the more open minded you become.....I eat Chinese food, watch Bollywood movies, Love Reggae, Pupusas are part of my TOP 3 fav food choices....etc etc......it doesn't make me better than anyone else.....it just allows me to be more open minded and understand PEOPLE more.....that's the only "Race" that counts anyway!

 

 

 

 

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WOW, I definately agree with you 100%.  We are so lucky to live in a place like Canada where you have so many choices.

I am proud to be Mexican/Salvadorian/Canadian.

Yesi

miguel wrote:

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i am one fakeass latino it seems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hahahahahaha, this thread is retarded.

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I know for a fact that you know more about your Peruvian culture and traditions than Eddie (SN) knows about his Republica Dominicana......and I think you were both born here.....

But (people of the jury) does that make Miguel more of a Latino than Eddie?  No! ...LOL LOL

So I agree with GuadaLupe Fiasco.....it's not all based on the music....

I have friends who would be labeled by SN as "Gringo Latinos"...(and I know some of you can relate or know people like this as well)

They are born in Canada Latinos, who were brought up in predominantly white neighbourhoods, with Italian or Canadian friends (per say)....and have only grown up listening to Alternative music and Hip-hop...or commercial radio Dance/House music.....

They don't speak Spanish....don't eat Latin food (unless made by mom)....because they are not involved in any shape or form with the Latin COMMUNITY....they don't watch Latin TV shows.....don't go on Spanish info-related forums.....could care less if Reggaeton made such an explosion.....and if Celia Cruz passed away (RIP)......

The can't tell the difference between Salsa, Merengue, Bachata and Horchata......lol

They speak Spanish with the Jennifer Lopez accent.......MALAH! (inside joke) LOL

BUT....

At the end of the day......they will still wave their Colombian, Argentinian, Ecuadorian flag at any world cup game.....even if Hockey is their favorite sport....

They have names like Carlos, Jose, Maria....with last names Garcia, Rodriguez, Cruz.....

Their backgrounds may lead to an Incan, Mayana, Aztec or Taino "empire".....

They will celebrate a Quinceañera with their Spanish speaking family members.....

And if at any point they are asked for their "Nationality" they will name their Latin Country....

 

After babbling on....my only point is that.......at the end of the day.....

THEY ARE STILL JUST AS HISPANIC/LATINOS....as someone who does the opposite!

......they just "lack" or have not been encouraged/educated or raised with more knowledge/experience of their own culture.....

They are CULTURALLY-CHALLENGED.....and because so, they have adapted to the one culture that was always "in their face".....be it Italian, Jamaican or Canadian......but this doesn't make them less open minded, less Latino, more stuck up, or white-washed as people tend to assume......

The same points can be made for kids raised in a predominantly Black neighbourhood.....

 

I can't thank my parents enough for exposing us to all cultures....and literally forcing us to speak our language at home and all that stuff......I can now proudly say I speak 5 languages and experience the BEST of all 5 cultures....EVENTHOUGH....musically speaking....it's SPANISH MUSIC where my heart is.....T

he more cultures you know...the more open minded you become.....I eat Chinese food, watch Bollywood movies, Love Reggae, Pupusas are part of my TOP 3 fav food choices....etc etc......it doesn't make me better than anyone else.....it just allows me to be more open minded and understand PEOPLE more.....that's the only "Race" that counts anyway!

 

 

 

 

Music is only a percentage of being latino, not a whole. If that's all you base your roots on, you're no where near being a true hispanic.

i am one fakeass latino it seems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hahahahahaha, this thread is retarded.

@ LB u crack me up girl. Your post is great & too funny.

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I'M PROBABLY NOT THE BESTEST PERSON TO REPLY TO THIS TOPIC, SINCE 24/7 CLUBBING IS NOT MY THING.....BUT I CAN STILL FORMULATE AN OPINION BASED ON MY FEW EXPERIENCES.....

 

In my opinion,english clubs are good but wack at the same time.

JUST LIKE ANY CLUB.....DIFFERENT TASTES FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE....

 

Before i started sabor nuevo i used to hit non latin nights to, but it was like i was being force feed music that i don't want to hear all night.

BY FORCED, YOU MEAN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PLAY SONGS YOU WANTED TO HEAR?....OR "FORCED" AS IN THERE WAS NOWHERE ELSE YOU COULD GO? ....BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE WHEN I GO TO A LATIN CLUB, I'M "FORCED" TO LISTEN TO CRAPPY DJ'S, PLAY A CRAPPY SELECTION OF MUSIC, WITH CRAPPY MIXING AND STILL TRY TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF IT....(NOT ALL DJ'S OF COURSE...BUT NOW IN DAYS, THE MAJORITY).....I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING FORCED, I THINK I HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING ELSEWHERE OR NOT GOING THERE AT ALL.....A DJ WILL NOT "FORCE" ME TO LISTEN TO ANYTHING...I WILL TUNE HIM OUT AND GET UP AND LEAVE DURING THAT SONG (WASHROOM BREAK TIME KINDA THING) LOL.....SO IF U SEE ME GOING TO THE POTTY ROOM MORE THAN 3 TIMES IN 1 NIGHT....THAT DJ SUUUUUUUCKS!!!! LOL.....AND IF I HAVE TO LEAVE THE "PREMISES" MORE THAN 3 TIMES....I WON'T BE COMING BACK...GUARANTEED!....BECAUSE TO ME PERSONALLY THE MOST MOST MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN A CLUB IS THE DJ!...SINCE WITHOUT MUSIC...IT WOULD NOT BE A CLUB

 

People in these clubs just stand there looking pretty and the odd slut goes wild.

OMG LATIN CLUBS ARE FILLED WITH SLUTS!!!.....NOT ONLY SLUTTY LOOKING GIRLS BUT GIRLS THAT CARRY THEMSELVES LIKE SLUTS.......AND PEOPLE IN ENGLISH CLUBS LOOK PRETTY BECAUSE FOR ONE, IT'S MAINLY ALL ABOUT THE "SYLISH" LOOK (since a huge percentage of them are European...with the exclusion of Caribbean clubs)....THEY GO ALL OUT, DRESS WELL, MAKE-UP, HAIR...ETC (MEN AND WOMEN)......AND MOST OF THEM DON'T COME FROM A DANCING CLUTURE LIKE LATINOS.....THEY COME FROM A A"SOCIAL" CULTURE...WHERE YOU GO OUT TO (have a few drinks) MEET AND MINGLE WITH PEOPLE AND DANCE TO 1 OR 2 TRACKS IF AT ALL....EVERY CLUTURE IS DIFFERENT......IT DOESN'T MAKE ONE SUCKIER THAN THE OTHER ONE.......THE BEAUTY ABOUT THE LATIN CULTURE......IS THE PASSION, THE DANCEABLE MUSIC AND THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC PLAYED BY A DJ WHO KNOWS HOW TO MIX....LOL

 

I look at all the gringo latinos inside these clubs that cant dance salsa if there life depended on it.

SO INSTEAD OF JUDGING THEM.....MAYBE STOP AND TEACH THEM.....OR ASK THEM HOW COME THEY DON'T KNOW....BECAUSE MAYBE THEY WERE BROUGHT UP "CANADIANIZED" WITH NON-LATINO FRIENDS AND WERE NOT EXPOSED AS MUCH TO THE LATIN SCENE.....THEN AGAIN NOT ALL SPANISH MUSIC IS FOR DANCING.....EX: LATIN ROCK, ALTERNATIVE,R&B AND HIP HOP IN SPANISH......ETC

*** IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SALSA, MERENGUE, BACHATA, REGGAETON ***

 

These same so called latinos only know aventura and daddy yankee

THE MIRACLE OF COMMERCIALS AND PUBLICITY.....LOL

 

but pretend to be hardcore latino when its time to pick up chicks.

OMG...HAHAHA....MANY GUYS PRETEND TO BE THIS AND THAT WHEN PICKING UP A "CHICK"....AND WHAT IS A "HARD CORE LATINO" ANYWAY? ...YOU MEAN HE TRIES TO "EMPHASIZE" THE FACT THAT HE IS A "LATIN LOVER" KINDA THING? LOL

 

Latin nights you are dancing the night away. You can mix and mingle with the entire club if you want. NO FAKE A** GIRLS AND GUYS.

LESS FAKE THAN IN ENGLISH CLUBS...YES! .....BUT ALSO MORE GHETTO LOOKING.....SO YOU SEE IT GOES BOTH WAYS.....LOL

 

It was an easy decision where i wanted to be but dont get me wrong i like all types of music.

THIS IS TRUE.....I KNOW YOU LIKE ALL KINDS OF MUSIC...ESPECIALLY HOUSE.....YOU'RE ALSO IN A BUSINESS, TO BE OPEN MINDED ABOUT MUSIC AND THE INDUSTRY.....SO WHAT'S UP WITH THIS TOPIC? 

 

I am latino and i speck spanish and dace latin music. Those other night clubs cater to gringos....

WHAT OTHER NIGHT CLUBS? YOU MEAN OTHER LATIN NIGHTCLUBS?

 

They play there gringo music all night and show love to there gringos first before you. ARE YOU A GRINGO??? 

THIS LAST PART CONFUSED ME....I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN......

 

THE BEAUTY ABOUT LATINOS OR OTHER CULTURES BEING RAISED IN TORONTO IS THAT WE HAVE ACCESS AND THE FREEDOM TO CHOSE TO WHATEVER KIND OF MUSIC WE WANT AND EXPERIENCE ALL OTHER CULTURES AND NOT JUST OUR OWN........THIS DOESN'T MAKE ONE CLUB OR CULTURE BETTER OR WORSE THAN THE OTHER ONE.....

A CLUB IS JUST A SOCIAL SETTING....A NEAR BY GET-AWAY FROM YOUR EVERY DAY STRESS......SOMEWHERE TO GO AND JUST LET LOSE AND DROWN YOURSELF IN THE MUSIC.....SOME PEOPLE ENJOYING STANDING BY THE BAR BOPPING THEIR HEADS TO MUSIC AND OTHERS ENJOY DANCING THE NIGHT AWAY.....AND OTHERS ENJOY DRINKING TO GET HAMMERED AND OTHERS ENJOY PICKING UP GIRLS/GUYS.....ETC.....TO EACH HIS OWN REALLY......ONE IS NOT BETTER THAN THE OTHER ONE.....THEY ALL HAVE FLAWS, THEY ALL HAVE ADVANTAGES.....

IF PEOPLE DON'T ENJOY SOMETHING THEY HAVE OTHER O-P-T-I-O-N-S 

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-- Edited by LaDyBuG at 10:17, 2006-10-10

And the "Stupidest Thread of the Week" award goes to…..

Bonita11 wrote:

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just keep in mind latino kids back home made your shoes in some sweat somewhere for 5 cents a day

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This is such a ignorant comment. Mind you I've been told im very ignorant.

Just because the majority of developing countries allow foreign businessmen to build sweatshops and create many jobs does it mean they pay 5cents a day, or even allow child labour. I know this because Im from Honduras, which statistics say to be the poorest economy in Central America, nothing to be proud of, but even in Honduras I've yet to hear about the "5cents a day/ child labour" violations you are reffering to. And i know this because guess what, i got a shi tload of cousins that work in sweatshops, and 2 aunts that work in the offices, and trust me, they dont work for 5 cents a day, even with the exchange rate. 

so remember Bonita11, that just because your country may have a low economy does it mean that every type of product was made by a child for 5 cents a day... if anything, you'll hear about human rights violations from Asian, Esatern European, and African nations... seldomly you'll hear them from Latin American countries, not to say they don't happen. because if you notice, alot of Timberland, Tommy Hilfiger, ENYCE, Nike,Diadora, KAPPA, and DKNY is made in Latin American countries like Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Ecuador, Chile, Brasil, and Suriname. 

So think about it.. not everything was made because of a human rights violation. 

 

 

@SN... "To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant." Amos Bronson Alcott

-- Edited by luna chiquitita at 09:17, 2006-10-10

Sabornuevo, your post reeks of ignorance...I'm kinda sad you had to be Hispanic.

 

 

sabornuevo wrote:

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here is a ? to the people in this thread
 
define some characteristics  that make us latin. Things that we do, that makes other cultures look at us and say that is latin.
 
Our style of food
 
Our Language
 
Our Music
 
our Dancing
 
etc???
 
You stop eating at our restaurants... you stop speaking spanish.... you STOP listening to our music... you stop dancing our music.....you cut that all  out and what are you left with. You will always be latin, that's just dumb to even think that's what i am implying. what i am saying is that you are taking up the gringo culture more then your latin.
 
 
hence the name GRINGO LATINO
 
its easy to call something stupid when faced with a serous opinion of oneself or make up dozen of none relevant scenarios to sugar coat the fact that lots of latinos are distancing themselves from there latin culture

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also hence the word...LATIN CANADIANS!! It happens to alot of cultures, generation after generation grow up in canada, it's important to be proud and be educated of your root's but i know for a fact going to privilege or magante isnt what makes me more of a "real latina" it's in my blood, I don't need to dye my hair black, live in a tanning bed, and eat and breathe salsa to know where I came from...but i guess some feel the need to try harder then others

PS. You claim to be sooo proud of being latino and blah blah blah but just keep in mind latino kids back home made your shoes in some sweat somewhere for 5 cents a day

Good night