Dogo wrote:

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Question, out of curiosity..

Reading some of your replies...........What is the logic or reasoning behind, believing in God... but not in the RELIGION that praises, believes and arguably "created" what in your mind IS God? 

 

 

 

-- Edited by Dogo at 21:29, 2007-01-09

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OooooooK then

I just started reading a book called "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins.  One of the doctors I work for gave it to me.  Here is the description:

With rigor and wit, Dawkins examines God in all his forms, from the sex-obsessed tyrant of the Old Testament to the more benign (but still illogical) Celestial Watchmaker favored by some Enlightenment thinkers. He eviscerates the major arguments for religion and demonstrates the supreme improbability of a supreme being. He shows how religion fuels war, foments bigotry, and abuses children, buttressing his points with historical and contemporary evidence. The God Delusion makes a compelling case that belief in God is not just wrong but potentially deadly. It also offers exhilarating insight into the advantages of atheism to the individual and society, not the least of which is a clearer, truer appreciation of the universe's wonders than any faith could ever muster.

This should prove to be an interesting read.

Dogo wrote:

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Jaime Cruz wrote:

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Dogo wrote:

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Jaime Cruz wrote:

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Dogo wrote:

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Question, out of curiosity..

Reading some of your replies...........What is the logic or reasoning behing, believing in God... but not in the RELIGION that praises, believes and arguably "created" what in your mind IS God? 

-- Edited by Dogo at 21:25, 2007-01-09

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Here is a funny theory that may answer your question

http://gorillamask.net/louie****.shtml

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I might be having a slow day... but I don't get it

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They came to the conclusion that god is one big C*nt
I don't wanna go to hell

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oh!.... then I think your link is flawed
I didn't see any C*nt comment

But if you say so....

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Dogo wrote:

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Jaime Cruz wrote:

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Dogo wrote:

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Question, out of curiosity..

Reading some of your replies...........What is the logic or reasoning behing, believing in God... but not in the RELIGION that praises, believes and arguably "created" what in your mind IS God? 

-- Edited by Dogo at 21:25, 2007-01-09

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Here is a funny theory that may answer your question

http://gorillamask.net/louie****.shtml

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I might be having a slow day... but I don't get it

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Dogo wrote:

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Question, out of curiosity..

Reading some of your replies...........What is the logic or reasoning behing, believing in God... but not in the RELIGION that praises, believes and arguably "created" what in your mind IS God? 

-- Edited by Dogo at 21:25, 2007-01-09

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Here is a funny theory that may answer your question

http://gorillamask.net/louie****.shtml

Pple !!! I already have one of my major headache and now tengo que entregar una respuesta coerente ...pfft can't do it right now.

But one thing for sure, religion (la que sea) se llena mas los bolsillos cada dia con dinero de los pobres que necesitan ayuda y nos les dan nada a cambio. And Faith they have......plenty actually so I feel very sad for them.

Yeah.... what GOD (FGNRG) said

ETA: Oh yeah! and Daeveed!

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When it comes to Religion I feel the same way that George Carlin Feels....

Religion easily has the greatest bull**** story ever told. Forget about the weapons of Mass destruction of Saddam, that's nothing compared to Religion. Religion has actually convinced people .... but Millions of People that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.

And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.

and................He needs money!

Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more.........

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  I'm lovin' this theory!!!!!

angelita wrote:

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Did anyone watch that movie that's out?? I forget the name. I saw it and i really liked it!

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Jaime Cruz wrote:

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I wonder the same thing. I wonder if any of the gospels were written while being under the influence of a little too much wine

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I wouldn't be suprised they were all high and/or drunk...

there are times that I think my cat is some sort of alien goddess who's come to rescue muh soul (or something like that)...

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I wonder if opium (not the cologne) was involved in all this....

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luna chiquitita wrote:

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dear heathen.. pls see links:

Link 1

Link 2

looks like they were engaged and when he found out 'bout the baby, married her.

-- Edited by luna chiquitita at 14:31, 2007-01-09

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Jaime Cruz wrote:

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luna chiquitita wrote:

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Jaime Cruz wrote:

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I have a question about the Virgin Mary.
As you may know some people question wheather the Virgin Mary was really a virgin? I myself am on the fence on this one.
My question is were Joseph and Mary married before Jebus was born?
I wasn't too sure about this. But if she was married to Joseph already could it be that maybe she got pregnant by someone else and made up a lie as to how she got pregnant? Could she have pulled of the biggest lie in extramarital affairs history?


  Rgnfg please don't send me to hell for questioning this

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OMG.. I'm sorry but I couldn't help but laugh at your post JC.. teeheehee..

ANYHOO.. to answer your question, Mary gave birth to JESUS not JEBUS! (no more Simpsons for you ) And yes, Mary and Joseph were married when she found out she was going to have Jesus.  It is quite possibly that Mary being a smart woman came up with this ELABORATE scheme.  She cheated on Joseph with the milk man, found out she was preggers and when she went to go visit Elizabeth (JthB's mother), they both decided to come up with this little story so she wouldn't be stoned to death in Village Square.

RG to JC - say hello to your new little friend

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Mary and Joseph were married when they found out she was pregnant.
So she was married, but still a virgin
Hmmm...Now I am really starting to believe my own little theory.

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Jaime Cruz wrote:

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I have a question about the Virgin Mary.
As you may know some people question wheather the Virgin Mary was really a virgin? I myself am on the fence on this one.
My question is were Joseph and Mary married before Jebus was born?
I wasn't too sure about this. But if she was married to Joseph already could it be that maybe she got pregnant by someone else and made up a lie as to how she got pregnant? Could she have pulled of the biggest lie in extramarital affairs history?


  Rgnfg please don't send me to hell for questioning this

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OMG.. I'm sorry but I couldn't help but laugh at your post JC.. teeheehee..

ANYHOO.. to answer your question, Mary gave birth to JESUS not JEBUS! (no more Simpsons for you ) And yes, Mary and Joseph were married when she found out she was going to have Jesus.  It is quite possibly that Mary being a smart woman came up with this ELABORATE scheme.  She cheated on Joseph with the milk man, found out she was preggers and when she went to go visit Elizabeth (JthB's mother), they both decided to come up with this little story so she wouldn't be stoned to death in Village Square.

RG to JC - say hello to your new little friend

Holy sh-ite, I was going to read this whole thread but it's so damn long!
So I"ll just post what I believe in with a song, a Nicaraguan song, from la Misa Campesina...

Creo señor firmemente
Que de tu pródiga mente
Todo este mundo nació
Que de tu mano de artista
De pintor primitivista
La belleza floreció

Las estrellas y la luna
las casitas las lagunas
Los barquitos navegando
Sobre el río rumbo al mar
Los inmensos los cafetales
Los blancos algodonales 
Y los bosques mutilados
Por el hacha criminal.
Los inmensos los cafetales
Los blancos algodonales
Y los bosques mutilados
Por el hacha criminal.

Creo en vos
Arquitecto, ingeniero
Artesano, carpintero
Albañil y armador
Creo en vos
Constructor de pensamiento
De la música y el viento
De la paz y del amor

Yo creo en vos Cristo obrero
Luz de luz y verdadero
Unigénito de Dios
Que para salvar al mundo
En el vientre humilde y puro
De María se encarnó
Creo que fuiste golpeado
Con escarnio torturado
En la cruz martirizado
Siendo Pilatos pretor
El romano imperialista
Puñetero desalmado
Que lavándose las manos
Quiso borrar el error
El romano imperialista
Puñetero y desalmado
Que lavándose las manos
Quiso borrar el error

Creo en vos,
 Arquitecto ingeniero
Artesano carpintero
Albañil y armador
Creo en vos,
 constructor de pensamiento
De la música y el viento
De la paz y del amor

Yo creo en vos compañero
Cristo humano, Cristo obrero
de la muerte vencedor.
Con tu sacrificio inmenso
engendraste al hombre nuevo
para la liberación.
Vos estas resucitando
en cada brazo que se alza 
para defender al pueblo
del dominio explotador.
Porque estás vivo en el rancho,
en la fábrica en la escuela.
Creo en tu lucha sin tregua 
creo en tu resurección.

Porque estás vivo en el rancho,
en la fábrica en la escuela.
Creo en tu lucha sin tregua 
creo en tu resurección.

 Creo en vos 
Arquitecto, ingeniero
Artesano, carpintero
Albañil y armador
Creo en vos
Constructor de pensamiento
De la música y el viento
De la paz y del amor

Jaime Cruz wrote:

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There was a weird discussion we had back in highschool that was very interesting...although the little priest who was our teacher almost had a heart attack.
When discussing a similar think like questioning religion somewhat brought up the question "what if we are all being tricked?"
The reason the student asked the question was because we hear about these characters based on what we hear from the bilble. Nobody really knows for sure what Jesus or what the devil looks like.
What if the Devil was the good guy and we were all tricked to believe that God and Jesus were the good ones. In which he also stated which is why the world has so many ongoing problems that seem to get worse as the years go by.

Kind of a twisted question he asked which does make you think.

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I believe this young guy about that questioning somewhere, the concep is not new; I think satanist consider Satan as a friend and that young guy was into it.  Their reasoning is that Satan doesn't forbid anything, and actually gave Adam and Eve the knowledge that God didn't want them to have.  They also have other believes; but believe me, their bible is scary sh7t, I happened to read just a bit by accident,and had to close it cause it was just too wicked.

Beleive me, Satan is more the enemy than a friend.

****CAUTION, ATHEIST CONTENT****

I do not believe God exists in any form other than a ficticious character created by men in order to satisfy the need for answers to many difficult questions at the time.

I believe religion is a tool crafted to feed the insaciable egotistical nature of humans, who feel the need to have answers for everything, no matter the origin or validity of these.

I believe that ANY religion based on the premise of the existence of an immortal, almighty creator of the universe is mistaken in its most fundamental roots.

I believe that since the middle ages, the institutionalization of Church has been the major cause for many wars and global conflicts, and like so, it is not a healthy element in human society.

I believe religion can be a source of (self) help for many, just like there are therapists. Only that church help is for free (in theory), and not true.

I believe most of the teachings of religion are good teachings, but these do not have anything to do with the existence of a god, or an afterlife. Therefore, I believe it is much better for a person to learn and practice all of these good teachings, leaving aside the belief in god or an afterlife. 

I believe religion does not do any good to society's progress and evolution. Thus, it should not exist.

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Good Morning Guys,

I agree to some degree with torontotrucho.  I personally was raised in a Christian Church was never baptism cause parents thought it was my decision kinda thing.  I disagree how parents baptize there children at such a young age (infants).  The bible states (unfortunately I don't know where) that one should choose for either they want to pursue and devote there lives to the word of God.  It's not in those exact words but along those lines.  I myself don't consider myself to be religious, I've had a few bad experiences in life and just gave up totally of religion.  This might sound crazy but I pray things go bad I don't pray and they go amazing strange huh? 

Parents now are Jehovah Witnesses and to be honest if I do become religious at one point in life I'll possibly would become a JW.  I see there teachings, door-to-door preaching, the constant effort to preach the word of Jehovah.  It's nice to see how children read the bible so freely and have the ability of speaking it infront of a wide crowd with such knowledge of his word that it makes you think and reflect on other religions what there doing is wrong or lacking of.  

The rest of my cousins, aunts, and uncles are all Catholic and to me it's just a big joke.  I don't even know how they could actually call themselves to be Catholic when they only go to Church on special occasions.  I never understood that.  Or they only pray when something goes wrong.  On a few attempts of pleasing my girlfriend we went to a spanish church in Scarborough (Markham & Ellesmere) on a Sunday afternoon.  I walked in all dressed up because I see it with my parents and little sister.  As I walk in and we sit down people were still entering the Church and what do I see?  Baggy jeans, a t-shirt, runners?  Girls with there super tight a$s outfits?  No no you're going into the house of God at least have some type of respect.  Another point given to the JW's.   They all dress appropriate.  I'm not saying all Catholic people are this way but the ones I've seen are.  My girlfriend personally is Catholic and she's so into its crazy!  I'm not even sure how she ended up with me.  I'm the complete opposite and avoid going to church or even being religious since I've seen it all my life.

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I just want to make a point about your parents not baptizing you because they thought it should be your decision.  Well by them bringing you up catholic (as I assume they were during your younger days) they brought you into the religion.  I was just having this discussion the other day about the age children are baptized.  If I am not mistaken baptism is an act where your parents are making a decision to teach you a catholic lifestyle.  After wards there are other sacraments (7 in total) where it is you accepting God as an adult in your life (I think it's confirmation).

If you decide to become "religious" will you study other religions before making the move to JW?  Or will you make the move to being JW because it's what is more drilled into your brain.  The thing i respect most about other religions unlike JW is that they don't need to "recruit" people, they are usually seeked out.  I too have had personal experiences that have shaped my thinking on JW amongst them is they feel the need to intrude on people personal believe and push their own on mine. 

They (JW) have walked into too many Latin American indigenous communities and "converted" so many that it drives me crazy.  Why do they convert?  Is it because they lack the abilities to study more than one religious choice and make an education decision?

Even here in Canada they assume they can come into my house and tell me why their religion is superior and why I should be (JW).  Being in a catholic high school teaches you world religion when you are old enough to appreciate what others have to offer.  If at that point you choose to divert to another religion it is based on knowledge.  Can it be said that (JW) receive that kind of broad knowledge of religions?  I don't know as I never delved into their world. 

I don't mean to crusify JW's but they were brought up and so i had to say something.

Essentially we all believe in a higher being, have you ever thought that we believe in the same one???

The bible cannot be taken word for word as we are not living in the same time as when it was written.  What is important is how people interpretation of religion to be in their heart of hearts.