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that's why i'll stick to my math and reactions.... cuz i barely can spell... much less i'll be worrying about lil commas that some ppl don't even take into count

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I volunteer for this maddafakkas and I don't even get discount in movie rentals......


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In my opinion, they can go **** themselves and give me a better reception.

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thats gotta suck the big a$$ for rogers!

Guess. Miss Tucker, was right - when she. told us punctuation; is key!

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News from The Globe and Mail

The $2-million comma


00:00 EDT Monday, August 07, 2006


It could be the most costly piece of punctuation in Canada.


A grammatical blunder may force Rogers Communications Inc. to pay an extra $2.13-million to use utility poles in the Maritimes after the placement of a comma in a contract permitted the deal's cancellation.


The controversial comma sent lawyers and telecommunications regulators scrambling for their English textbooks in a bitter 18-month dispute that serves as an expensive reminder of the importance of punctuation.


Rogers thought it had a five-year deal with Aliant Inc. to string Rogers' cable lines across thousands of utility poles in the Maritimes for an annual fee of $9.60 per pole. But early last year, Rogers was informed that the contract was being cancelled and the rates were going up. Impossible, Rogers thought, since its contract was iron-clad until the spring of 2007 and could potentially be renewed for another five years.


Armed with the rules of grammar and punctuation, Aliant disagreed. The construction of a single sentence in the 14-page contract allowed the entire deal to be scrapped with only one-year's notice, the company argued.


Language buffs take note -- Page 7 of the contract states: The agreement "shall continue in force for a period of five years from the date it is made, and thereafter for successive five year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party."


Rogers' intent in 2002 was to lock into a long-term deal of at least five years. But when regulators with the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) parsed the wording, they reached another conclusion.


The validity of the contract and the millions of dollars at stake all came down to one point -- the second comma in the sentence.


Had it not been there, the right to cancel wouldn't have applied to the first five years of the contract and Rogers would be protected from the higher rates it now faces.


"Based on the rules of punctuation," the comma in question "allows for the termination of the [contract] at any time, without cause, upon one-year's written notice," the regulator said.


Rogers was dumbfounded. The company said it never would have signed a contract to use roughly 91,000 utility poles that could be cancelled on such short notice. Its lawyers tried in vain to argue the intent of the deal trumped the significance of a comma. "This is clearly not what the parties intended," Rogers said in a letter to the CRTC.


But the CRTC disagreed. And the consequences are significant.


The contract would have shielded Rogers from rate increases that will see its costs jump as high as $28.05 per pole. Instead, the company will likely end up paying about $2.13-million more than expected, based on rough calculations.


Despite the victory, Aliant won't reap the bulk of the proceeds. The poles are mostly owned by Fredericton-based utility NB Power, which contracted out the administration of the business to Aliant at the time the contract was signed.


Neither Rogers nor Aliant could be reached for comment on the ruling. In one of several letters to the CRTC, Aliant called the matter "a basic rule of punctuation," taking a swipe at Rogers' assertion that the comma could be ignored.


"This is a classic case of where the placement of a comma has great importance," Aliant said.


The comma conflict


The disputed sentence: "This agreement shall be effective from the date it is made and shall continue in force for a period of five (5) years from the date it is made, and thereafter for successive five (5) year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party."


How Rogers reads it: The contract is good for five years and is automatically renewed for successive five-year terms. The deal can not be terminated within the first five-year term.


How Aliant reads it: The contract can be cancelled at any time provided one-year notice is given.


What the experts say: The presence of the second comma means the conditions of cancelling the contract apply to both the initial five-year term and subsequent five-year terms.


© The Globe and Mail






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I'm no language buff but why did they add that last part if they didn't need it anyway?

unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party

Oh well, it's too early for me to try to figure it out.... or even care.

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News from The Globe and Mail


The $2-million comma




00:00 EDT Monday, August 07, 2006



It could be the most costly piece of punctuation in Canada.


A grammatical blunder may force Rogers Communications Inc. to pay an extra $2.13-million to use utility poles in the Maritimes after the placement of a comma in a contract permitted the deal's cancellation.


The controversial comma sent lawyers and telecommunications regulators scrambling for their English textbooks in a bitter 18-month dispute that serves as an expensive reminder of the importance of punctuation.


Rogers thought it had a five-year deal with Aliant Inc. to string Rogers' cable lines across thousands of utility poles in the Maritimes for an annual fee of $9.60 per pole. But early last year, Rogers was informed that the contract was being cancelled and the rates were going up. Impossible, Rogers thought, since its contract was iron-clad until the spring of 2007 and could potentially be renewed for another five years.


Armed with the rules of grammar and punctuation, Aliant disagreed. The construction of a single sentence in the 14-page contract allowed the entire deal to be scrapped with only one-year's notice, the company argued.


Language buffs take note -- Page 7 of the contract states: The agreement "shall continue in force for a period of five years from the date it is made, and thereafter for successive five year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party."


Rogers' intent in 2002 was to lock into a long-term deal of at least five years. But when regulators with the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) parsed the wording, they reached another conclusion.


The validity of the contract and the millions of dollars at stake all came down to one point -- the second comma in the sentence.


Had it not been there, the right to cancel wouldn't have applied to the first five years of the contract and Rogers would be protected from the higher rates it now faces.


"Based on the rules of punctuation," the comma in question "allows for the termination of the [contract] at any time, without cause, upon one-year's written notice," the regulator said.


Rogers was dumbfounded. The company said it never would have signed a contract to use roughly 91,000 utility poles that could be cancelled on such short notice. Its lawyers tried in vain to argue the intent of the deal trumped the significance of a comma. "This is clearly not what the parties intended," Rogers said in a letter to the CRTC.


But the CRTC disagreed. And the consequences are significant.


The contract would have shielded Rogers from rate increases that will see its costs jump as high as $28.05 per pole. Instead, the company will likely end up paying about $2.13-million more than expected, based on rough calculations.


Despite the victory, Aliant won't reap the bulk of the proceeds. The poles are mostly owned by Fredericton-based utility NB Power, which contracted out the administration of the business to Aliant at the time the contract was signed.


Neither Rogers nor Aliant could be reached for comment on the ruling. In one of several letters to the CRTC, Aliant called the matter "a basic rule of punctuation," taking a swipe at Rogers' assertion that the comma could be ignored.


"This is a classic case of where the placement of a comma has great importance," Aliant said.


The comma conflict


The disputed sentence: "This agreement shall be effective from the date it is made and shall continue in force for a period of five (5) years from the date it is made, and thereafter for successive five (5) year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party."


How Rogers reads it: The contract is good for five years and is automatically renewed for successive five-year terms. The deal can not be terminated within the first five-year term.


How Aliant reads it: The contract can be cancelled at any time provided one-year notice is given.


What the experts say: The presence of the second comma means the conditions of cancelling the contract apply to both the initial five-year term and subsequent five-year terms.


© The Globe and Mail




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Did Anyone Read About What Happened With Rogers Communications ? ? ?


- Talk About The Importance Of Grammar -  


I Bet Someone Or Some People Will Be Losing Jobs Over That . . .


What A “F A C” Up And A Half . . .


Can Anyone Find The Article And Post It . . .


* TY *  




-- Edited by El Representante at 04:48, 2006-08-08

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