Well, I beleive those kids who go to best schools back home don't come to live in the great white north, they certainly live a much better life over there. I actually know a few here, they are canadian university graduates by the way and have good jobs; but most young people here don't come from the best schools , that's why there's indifference towards education amoung our youth. Youth such as chinese or indues come from families which have academic oriented parents. Portuguese kids on the other hand, don't, and that shows in their schooling. They do very well in real life though, construccion workers make a good income.
bistor wrote: That is, of course, beautiful stuff. It explains the legions of ecuadorian mathematicians and scientists. The overall, worldwide, leadership of Ecuador in the hard and natural sciences. But I digress. The hispanic countries have a, frankly, pathetic, record when it comes to scientific and technological achievement I would suggest mounds and mounds of humility when mixing "hispanic" and "science" in the same sentence.
Well, Spain herself lies well behind when it comes to science; they used to buy everything from other countries with the gold found in the americas. If we see the list of Nobel Prices and inventions we'll find may be one or two spanish last names among so many english, german, french and italian last names.
On the other hand, public University Education has always been neglected. Sometimes being a poor university student ment jail time or death. I remember that when I went to El Salvador's University the students had to clean up the blood covered campus, I remember seing microscopes, computers, and other equipment broken down by the army. Several years ago, the army killed six jesuit priest who worked for the Catholic University. Five of them were spaniards and one of them had worked for NASA before. Yes, there's no much help from our own goverments, they probably want to keep things as they have been. Those who can afford North american universities are gonna get the best job, so why bother they probably say to themselves. hmm:
Spain has the same lousy record as any other hispanic country, of course. And like the other hispanic countries, has never truly fostered innovation. What can I say. Forgive me if I'm also doubtful as to the quality of the teaching students receive in hispanic countries, and not only the quality of the research carried out . I don't remember any hispanic country particularly dominating the math and science olympiads that are held every year. I do seem to remember quite a few asian countries doing well though.
Well, it depends...back home the catholic schools are extremely good. Some of them such as "El Externado San Jose" has spaniard priests as teachers and the students have a very good education. I always went to public schools and I guess you can see that by the way I write,hahaha. There are also very cood school such as " Escuela Americana, The Brittish Academy" which very few people can attend.
I believe that education in latin america is well to academic and kids are not even taugh how to use a screw driver and get a bit dirty, they leave that part to the technical high school where poorer students go.
Overthere being a mechanic,electrician, construccion worker,etc means being of lower class, and they usually don't have the importance that these skills get in North america; so the well off kids don't wanna get dirty and the poorer kids don't have the $$$ and education to create,even if they have good ideas. Even if a student has a great idea, chances are he will be turned down just by his appearance. I also believe that well off students get the best jobs even if they don't deserve them.
India, Indonesia, and so many of countries' math and science are harder than canadian schools, but I guess they have similar situations as we have.
Believe me, I wish Spain and Spanish America had more cultural-scientific exchanges in order to stop this cycle.
It's all about money, frankly. You reap what you sow. If your R&D budget amounts to half of the European Union average, well, you won't be carrying out too many scientific and technological breakthroughs, bottom line.
I don't dispute that there are individual schools that are good in the hispanic countries. What I don't buy is that the overall level of education is better than in Canada because children are given classes on long division by age 4. They may be shown how to do long division at age 4, but what does it matter, if they have to relearn it each september? Education is measured by what you retain, not by what you're exposed to.
As someone that has studied in both countries, I can say that I didn't take over the canadian educational system when I came to this country, and I sure as hell don't remember the top 10% of the class being disproportionately comprised of hispanic students. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Yet despite this, I constantly hear recent immigrants extolling the virtues of their home country's educational system.
Where are the marvelous results these education systems are producing?
bistor wrote: That is, of course, beautiful stuff. It explains the legions of ecuadorian mathematicians and scientists. The overall, worldwide, leadership of Ecuador in the hard and natural sciences. But I digress. The hispanic countries have a, frankly, pathetic, record when it comes to scientific and technological achievement I would suggest mounds and mounds of humility when mixing "hispanic" and "science" in the same sentence.
Well, Spain herself lies well behind when it comes to science; they used to buy everything from other countries with the gold found in the americas. If we see the list of Nobel Prices and inventions we'll find may be one or two spanish last names among so many english, german, french and italian last names.
On the other hand, public University Education has always been neglected. Sometimes being a poor university student ment jail time or death. I remember that when I went to El Salvador's University the students had to clean up the blood covered campus, I remember seing microscopes, computers, and other equipment broken down by the army. Several years ago, the army killed six jesuit priest who worked for the Catholic University. Five of them were spaniards and one of them had worked for NASA before. Yes, there's no much help from our own goverments, they probably want to keep things as they have been. Those who can afford North american universities are gonna get the best job, so why bother they probably say to themselves. hmm:
Spain has the same lousy record as any other hispanic country, of course. And like the other hispanic countries, has never truly fostered innovation. What can I say. Forgive me if I'm also doubtful as to the quality of the teaching students receive in hispanic countries, and not only the quality of the research carried out . I don't remember any hispanic country particularly dominating the math and science olympiads that are held every year. I do seem to remember quite a few asian countries doing well though.
Well, it depends...back home the catholic schools are extremely good. Some of them such as "El Externado San Jose" has spaniard priests as teachers and the students have a very good education. I always went to public schools and I guess you can see that by the way I write,hahaha. There are also very cood school such as " Escuela Americana, The Brittish Academy" which very few people can attend.
I believe that education in latin america is well to academic and kids are not even taugh how to use a screw driver and get a bit dirty, they leave that part to the technical high school where poorer students go.
Overthere being a mechanic,electrician, construccion worker,etc means being of lower class, and they usually don't have the importance that these skills get in North america; so the well off kids don't wanna get dirty and the poorer kids don't have the $$$ and education to create,even if they have good ideas. Even if a student has a great idea, chances are he will be turned down just by his appearance. I also believe that well off students get the best jobs even if they don't deserve them.
India, Indonesia, and so many of countries' math and science are harder than canadian schools, but I guess they have similar situations as we have.
Believe me, I wish Spain and Spanish America had more cultural-scientific exchanges in order to stop this cycle.
wow.... i just hope that in weeks they don't just dedice to email the diploma instead of printing them
but that aromatic diploma thing sound kool and funny but yeah... it would be so memorable to have a diploma that smell like hot french vanilla cappucinno extra-large no sugar jajajajaja
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The newer ones. From 2004 and beyond. You can opt to have it printed on scented paper or chose from a wide variety of scratch and sniffs. My younger brother got a pizza one to remember those days when he survived on cold pizza.
I'm starting to smell mine.... lol... 3 more week to go i'll be a profesional OMG!!! Ke emocion jejejeje....
Anyways i didn't drop out of elementary school cuz in chile elementary school is obligatory and if the children don't attend parents go to jail for a few weeks and the their kids are put up for foster care.... beside before going to jail my dad would wipe my ass out.... jajajaja
High school tampoko... i did the cimarra a few times but again if my dad knew i would had no ass now to show off lol... I got here had to do grade 12 again (i came here when i was 6 months away to graduate from high school and since i don't know no english.... i did grade 13
then i study 1 semester nursing and cuz i was depressive since i got here i got even more bomb out when they made me work at the hospital working with lonely elderly ppl that were even more depress than me... so when i announced i wasn't gonna go back next semester my dad give that look but i didn't care so after de vagar a year i apply to sheridan for ingenieria en technologia kimica and viola!!!!
so yeah a diploma is a good foundation cuz in the procees of gettin it u learn a lot... plus is fun
I'm starting to smell mine.... lol... 3 more week to go i'll be a profesional OMG!!! Ke emocion jejejeje....
Anyways i didn't drop out of elementary school cuz in chile elementary school is obligatory and if the children don't attend parents go to jail for a few weeks and the their kids are put up for foster care.... beside before going to jail my dad would wipe my ass out.... jajajaja
High school tampoko... i did the cimarra a few times but again if my dad knew i would had no ass now to show off lol... I got here had to do grade 12 again (i came here when i was 6 months away to graduate from high school and since i don't know no english.... i did grade 13
then i study 1 semester nursing and cuz i was depressive since i got here i got even more bomb out when they made me work at the hospital working with lonely elderly ppl that were even more depress than me... so when i announced i wasn't gonna go back next semester my dad give that look but i didn't care so after de vagar a year i apply to sheridan for ingenieria en technologia kimica and viola!!!!
so yeah a diploma is a good foundation cuz in the procees of gettin it u learn a lot... plus is fun
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bistor wrote: That is, of course, beautiful stuff. It explains the legions of ecuadorian mathematicians and scientists. The overall, worldwide, leadership of Ecuador in the hard and natural sciences. But I digress. The hispanic countries have a, frankly, pathetic, record when it comes to scientific and technological achievement I would suggest mounds and mounds of humility when mixing "hispanic" and "science" in the same sentence.
Well, Spain herself lies well behind when it comes to science; they used to buy everything from other countries with the gold found in the americas. If we see the list of Nobel Prices and inventions we'll find may be one or two spanish last names among so many english, german, french and italian last names.
On the other hand, public University Education has always been neglected. Sometimes being a poor university student ment jail time or death. I remember that when I went to El Salvador's University the students had to clean up the blood covered campus, I remember seing microscopes, computers, and other equipment broken down by the army. Several years ago, the army killed six jesuit priest who worked for the Catholic University. Five of them were spaniards and one of them had worked for NASA before. Yes, there's no much help from our own goverments, they probably want to keep things as they have been. Those who can afford North american universities are gonna get the best job, so why bother they probably say to themselves. hmm:
Spain has the same lousy record as any other hispanic country, of course. And like the other hispanic countries, has never truly fostered innovation. What can I say.
Forgive me if I'm also doubtful as to the quality of the teaching students receive in hispanic countries, and not only the quality of the research carried out . I don't remember any hispanic country particularly dominating the math and science olympiads that are held every year. I do seem to remember quite a few asian countries doing well though.
@ Migue: Me too!! Well, my fave authors really aren't Frenchies. I mean, I just love literature - love it! But... I'm more passionate about languages - second & foreign language learning, language acquisition and all that jazz, really. Yup, I think I should definitely go with that. Oh and yup, both are at Glendon.
Lahtina, so you did not pay attention to what I said last night ?
Get more info on the after study career thingy and extra diplomas. Specially if you have a doubt. Linguistics probably have more future since kids seems to be left alone and developped problems that needs and can be corrected, amongst other things.
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hey i originally went to uoft with the purpose of studying french literature, it's always interested me (and most of my favorite authors are french).
that didn't work out so well in the end for me and i ended up on a completely different path. but hey, you'd be guaranteed some very interesting classes!
also isn't french @ york at the glendon campus? that campus is beautiful
@ Migue and Cookie: Actually... I don't know! I haven't made up my mind 100%. But... I can tell you one thing: it's nothing that will make me a rich woman, that's for sure. I chose French Studies at York but I'm soooooooooo second guessing myself right now. I think I should definitely go with Linguistics and Language (hello??! Language snob here!) and then take language courses on the side. Cuz... really, why the hell would I want to be an expert on French literature, culture and society?
@ Julie: save your French lessons for someone who is interested. I'm gonna have to say to French.
@ Mastropiero: Grade 12? I haven't even gotten my kindergarten diploma. Is it a diploma? Seriously though, I never went to kindergarten and I dropped out of first grade... TWICE!
@ Julie: Mais oui. Et tu seras mon profe. As a matter of fact, we should start here... mon profe? (c'est correct?) Yeah... maybe I should switch.
bistor wrote: That is, of course, beautiful stuff. It explains the legions of ecuadorian mathematicians and scientists. The overall, worldwide, leadership of Ecuador in the hard and natural sciences. But I digress. The hispanic countries have a, frankly, pathetic, record when it comes to scientific and technological achievement I would suggest mounds and mounds of humility when mixing "hispanic" and "science" in the same sentence.
Well, Spain herself lies well behind when it comes to science; they used to buy everything from other countries with the gold found in the americas. If we see the list of Nobel Prices and inventions we'll find may be one or two spanish last names among so many english, german, french and italian last names.
On the other hand, public University Education has always been neglected. Sometimes being a poor university student ment jail time or death. I remember that when I went to El Salvador's University the students had to clean up the blood covered campus, I remember seing microscopes, computers, and other equipment broken down by the army. Several years ago, the army killed six jesuit priest who worked for the Catholic University. Five of them were spaniards and one of them had worked for NASA before. Yes, there's no much help from our own goverments, they probably want to keep things as they have been. Those who can afford North american universities are gonna get the best job, so why bother they probably say to themselves. hmm:
it's been shown that by and large people with post secondary educations do make more money.. apparently according to the last statistics canada numbers, people with post secondary educations are also generally healthier
I didn't have much of a choice.....I HAD TO go to Univeristy even if I didn't want to....(which I didn't).....I had high grades all my life, probably the highest in the class....but I hated school with a passion.....it always felt like a waste of time...and very boring....then in University I invested ways of cheating my way through......
Me too! I was deathly bored of school. College was better, more hands on rather than super dull theory.
Although I could have gotten a better paying job with a university degree.
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Well, I remember back in France that a friend was working on his university exam, to get in (the American University of Paris) and the math he was working on to prepare his test were math that I saw in the early years of highschool. Lucky him, those were the only ones I understood so I was able to help him
From what I can tell, the north American system is MORE than layed back until the pple reach the university, that's why they find it so hard and have to work so much. Their brain was never train like in it should have been.
I mean in primary scholl I was going from 8 am to 4 pm then homework so imagine what was hichschool/college/university in terms of schedule and work.
How do you want pple to get to learn a complete program if they start @ 8 am and are out @ 1.30 pm max with 2 recess
Sorry, for that I am very old school (European style) because I believe it's a good system even if myself, I did not enjoy it that much until I reached 14 y/o.
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-- Edited by LaDyBuG at 06:01, 2006-07-31
Yeah, knowing the right people will definitely GET YOU PLACES, but I truly believe that without an education you will stay there, stuck, without opportunity for advancement. With education come options and with options comes freedom. Not having an education will limit what you can accomplish in the long run.
I didn't have much of a choice.....I HAD TO go to Univeristy even if I didn't want to....(which I didn't).....I had high grades all my life, probably the highest in the class....but I hated school with a passion.....it always felt like a waste of time...and very boring....then in University I invested ways of cheating my way through......I found all the courses in Philosophy and Psychology pure BS.....amongst others.....
Having said that.....I don't regret getting my dimploma.....it allows you to have CHOICES.....something that limits Drop-outs......
I can't explain it but I have compared "educated" people to none.....and by that I mean people who have diplomas and all......and there is a sense of "full-filment" there.....more open-minded, more patient, more well-rounded......(this is strictly from my experience)
Another thing I wanted to add is that if it's a matter of life experiences....I have learned the most valuable lesson of them all....and that is:
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW, BUT WHO YOU KNOW.....THAT WILL GET YOU PLACES
EDUCATION ALSO HELPS, DON'T GET ME WRONG......BUT KNOWING SOMEONE RICH AND IN POWER CAN HELP YOU ADVANCE MUCH FASTER IN LIFE.....
-- Edited by LaDyBuG at 06:01, 2006-07-31
It took me awhile to understand that concept but I have noticed it is true ...
Is there anyone here that dropped out of elementary, highschool, college or university? If so do you regret it or have you managed to do fine without a diploma? If your kid/kids felt that they would not benefit from school would you support their desire to drop out?
I went to school and graduated. I don't think I myself would have managed to find work without a diploma because I am not lucky that way I know a bunch of people that dropped out and have great jobs, but I just don't think I would have ever dropped out. Would have been too insecure to do so.
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I didn't have much of a choice.....I HAD TO go to Univeristy even if I didn't want to....(which I didn't).....I had high grades all my life, probably the highest in the class....but I hated school with a passion.....it always felt like a waste of time...and very boring....then in University I invested ways of cheating my way through......I found all the courses in Philosophy and Psychology pure BS.....amongst others.....
Having said that.....I don't regret getting my dimploma.....it allows you to have CHOICES.....something that limits Drop-outs......
I can't explain it but I have compared "educated" people to none.....and by that I mean people who have diplomas and all......and there is a sense of "full-filment" there.....more open-minded, more patient, more well-rounded......(this is strictly from my experience)
Another thing I wanted to add is that if it's a matter of life experiences....I have learned the most valuable lesson of them all....and that is:
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW, BUT WHO YOU KNOW.....THAT WILL GET YOU PLACES
EDUCATION ALSO HELPS, DON'T GET ME WRONG......BUT KNOWING SOMEONE RICH AND IN POWER CAN HELP YOU ADVANCE MUCH FASTER IN LIFE.....
-- Edited by LaDyBuG at 06:01, 2006-07-31
very true ladybug... i dropped out of high school, and i have an alright job. thanks to hook ups.
LB: I agree with what you're saying about the fact that education gives you choices.
I can't claim that school is for everyone, but hey, because i have a couple of degrees i know i can get a work visa in almost any country in the world, and have the freedom to go where i'd like to go.
after all that BS, getting that freedom made it worth it. and i'm totally glad i never dropped out
it is understandable. latin american universities concentrate on teaching mainly, they are not (and cannot be) mainly research based because there's not as much funding for research as in places like north america.
there are tons of latin americans that are highly accomplished researchers, but they generally had to go do their education (Ph.D. level) away from home and then their post-doc work away as well (you go work where the research is happenning.. after all)
i have met many very brilliant latin researchers, in fact the new dean of engineering at uoft is venezuelan (and a woman at that).
at the elementary level, all i know is that when i came to canada people were learning how to do long division and i already knew how to solve more complex equations. i think at least at the undergraduate level there are some quality universities all over latin america. don't expect them to be as great at the graduate level, but that's mostly about circumstance. top research talent goes where the research is, and the research money's not in latin america, and you need good researchers to teach/supervise at the graduate level. it's that simple
the exception would be brazil which has a great re****tion for scientific research (and brazilian credentials are generally well regarded by Ph.D. admission committees everywhere)
bistor wrote: That is, of course, beautiful stuff.
It explains the legions of ecuadorian mathematicians and scientists. The overall, worldwide, leadership of Ecuador in the hard and natural sciences.
But I digress.
The hispanic countries have a, frankly, pathetic, record when it comes to scientific and technological achievement
I would suggest mounds and mounds of humility when mixing "hispanic" and "science" in the same sentence.
In my opinion latin america's high school level is better than Canada, however our universities fail to keep the educational level. In Peru, most of the universities are for-profit, and don't care about the education they provide. You'll get your diploma as long as you pay your tuition on time.
Lima, which has roughly twice the population of the GTA has over 30 universities, most of them privately run. the GTA has 4.
I didn't have much of a choice.....I HAD TO go to Univeristy even if I didn't want to....(which I didn't).....I had high grades all my life, probably the highest in the class....but I hated school with a passion.....it always felt like a waste of time...and very boring....then in University I invested ways of cheating my way through......I found all the courses in Philosophy and Psychology pure BS.....amongst others.....
Having said that.....I don't regret getting my dimploma.....it allows you to have CHOICES.....something that limits Drop-outs......
I can't explain it but I have compared "educated" people to none.....and by that I mean people who have diplomas and all......and there is a sense of "full-filment" there.....more open-minded, more patient, more well-rounded......(this is strictly from my experience)
Another thing I wanted to add is that if it's a matter of life experiences....I have learned the most valuable lesson of them all....and that is:
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW, BUT WHO YOU KNOW.....THAT WILL GET YOU PLACES
EDUCATION ALSO HELPS, DON'T GET ME WRONG......BUT KNOWING SOMEONE RICH AND IN POWER CAN HELP YOU ADVANCE MUCH FASTER IN LIFE.....
-- Edited by LaDyBuG at 06:01, 2006-07-31
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bistor wrote: That is, of course, beautiful stuff.
It explains the legions of ecuadorian mathematicians and scientists. The overall, worldwide, leadership of Ecuador in the hard and natural sciences.
But I digress.
The hispanic countries have a, frankly, pathetic, record when it comes to scientific and technological achievement
I would suggest mounds and mounds of humility when mixing "hispanic" and "science" in the same sentence.
Excuse my ignorance regarding the achivements that Ecuador/any other latinomerican country has had in the scientific and technological field,.. I was talking about middle education curriculum in comparison with Canadas' and I was talking about my own experience. Besides, about your last statement, I truly beleive that hispanic and science can be in the same sentence, eventhough probably you were referring to Latinoamerica, because hispanics are all over the world and there are scientists involve in different scientific and technological projects.
That is so true. What is always amazing to me is the level of education overseas. In Ecuador I had cousins who were 10-12 years of age and doing math that I didn't learn until grade 11.
yeap,. I studie in Ecuador till high school and some college,. and when I came,. and I was looking to my causins curriculum in school I was surprised because it was like 2 yrs behind,. mostly in math,. eventhough Canada has changed the curriculum a bit from yrs ago ,..it s still behind in comparison with Ecuador (y me atrevo a decir otros paises latinoamericanos),.. to pass to grade one u have to be able to read the newspaper,. that s the way they measure ur reading skills,.
Is there anyone here that dropped out of elementary, highschool, college or university? If so do you regret it or have you managed to do fine without a diploma? If your kid/kids felt that they would not benefit from school would you support their desire to drop out?
I went to school and graduated. I don't think I myself would have managed to find work without a diploma because I am not lucky that way I know a bunch of people that dropped out and have great jobs, but I just don't think I would have ever dropped out. Would have been too insecure to do so.
I am not sure if i would support them to drop out,. it will depend on what they want to do,. after they drop out,. I am a true beleiver of life long learning,. you never finish learning,. I haven't droped out,. and I will never do ,.. I think If it s possible I will continue studying forever,. there s always something new to learn,. (and i mean in a classroom). Some ppl have different ways of learning,. probablly just by reading a book,. or by experience,.. so they do not need to go/finsih school,(Probably that was the situation of the bunch of ppl u know),... I know ppl who has droped out school and they are happy of the work they r doing,. and others that they r not,. and they regreted it,.
There is never too late to persue ur h/s diploma,. or get post-graduated education,..
And I have known ppl who has droped elementary school for different situations (in Canada and back home),. and there are others that never went to school,. (back home)
Another difference that I see between backhome and Canada is that a high scchool diploma is a huge deal,. when back home is like finishing kindergarden,..
That is so true. What is always amazing to me is the level of education overseas. In Ecuador I had cousins who were 10-12 years of age and doing math that I didn't learn until grade 11.
Is there anyone here that dropped out of elementary, highschool, college or university? If so do you regret it or have you managed to do fine without a diploma? If your kid/kids felt that they would not benefit from school would you support their desire to drop out?
I went to school and graduated. I don't think I myself would have managed to find work without a diploma because I am not lucky that way I know a bunch of people that dropped out and have great jobs, but I just don't think I would have ever dropped out. Would have been too insecure to do so.
I am not sure if i would support them to drop out,. it will depend on what they want to do,. after they drop out,. I am a true beleiver of life long learning,. you never finish learning,. I haven't droped out,. and I will never do ,.. I think If it s possible I will continue studying forever,. there s always something new to learn,. (and i mean in a classroom). Some ppl have different ways of learning,. probablly just by reading a book,. or by experience,.. so they do not need to go/finsih school,(Probably that was the situation of the bunch of ppl u know),... I know ppl who has droped out school and they are happy of the work they r doing,. and others that they r not,. and they regreted it,.
There is never too late to persue ur h/s diploma,. or get post-graduated education,..
And I have known ppl who has droped elementary school for different situations (in Canada and back home),. and there are others that never went to school,. (back home)
Another difference that I see between backhome and Canada is that a high scchool diploma is a huge deal,. when back home is like finishing kindergarden,..
Is there anyone here that dropped out of elementary, highschool, college or university? If so do you regret it or have you managed to do fine without a diploma? If your kid/kids felt that they would not benefit from school would you support their desire to drop out?
I went to school and graduated. I don't think I myself would have managed to find work without a diploma because I am not lucky that way I know a bunch of people that dropped out and have great jobs, but I just don't think I would have ever dropped out. Would have been too insecure to do so.
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OMG!!! Ke emocion jejejeje....
a few times but again if my dad knew i would had no ass now to show off
lol... I got here had to do grade 12 again (i came here when i was 6 months away to graduate from high school and since i don't know no english.... 
i did grade 13
but i didn't care
so after de vagar a year i apply to sheridan for ingenieria en technologia kimica and viola!!!!
I haven't made up my mind 100%. But... I can tell you one thing: it's nothing that will make me a rich woman, that's for sure. 
I chose French Studies at York but I'm soooooooooo second guessing myself right now. I think I should definitely go with Linguistics and Language (hello??! Language snob here!) and then take language courses on the side. Cuz... really, why the hell would I want to be an expert on French literature, culture and society? 
to French.
Seriously though, I never went to kindergarten and I dropped out of first grade... TWICE! 
, highschool, college or university?
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