This seems like the neverending thread...so not cool

I blame Daeveed's tuna.

I say.... if all muh niggas smoked weed on a regular basis there wouldn't be any shootings....

 

Mc

ovah....

Motown Junkie wrote:

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Once again, the fact that we are talking about TORONTO must come up. I guess bistor and I are ignorant and we must stop with our sterotypical comments such as, "What kind of high grade colombian coke are you on?"  Oh wait.  YOU said that!!!  By the way, you really need to read what you write!!!

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So once again, I'm still confused who was Phantasma talking too about when he asked "What kind of high grade colombian coke are you on?"    And how did this topic go from Toronto to an international thing???

 

Bible, page 10 ... oh yeah, now this makes sense     

Phantasma wrote:

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Motown Junkie wrote: @El Pibe:  No worries. Let him nit and pick at what I said about Colombia.  Not one peep came from his mouth about his WAR ON BLACK people theory and the articles backing up what myself and bistor have been saying!! I dont have to address that, cause I already said like 3 times that if u pick and choose which data you wanna present to people and leave out whatever doesnt jive, even the bible makes sense.

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Or does it

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And I NEVER said that black on black crime wasnt a very real and very unfortunate problem in most of North America. What I said was that simply being black does not make you more likely to commit a crime.

Here is my points in case they were missed in all this mess


1)Most crime is commited in impoverished areas by poor people. This is true all around the world. Regardless of ethnicity.

2) In North America, the distribution of wealth is such that 80% of the people living below the poverty line are visible minorities.

3) Even though, statistically more crime in North America is commited by whites (which would make sense since there are more white people than anyone else). Most of the people in Jail and depicted in the media as suspects are black and Latino.

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Phanta... do you read what you write?

Phantasma wrote:

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Motown Junkie wrote: Phantasma wrote: Motown Junkie wrote: Phantasma wrote: Again, it has more to do with that 8% livin in questionable conditions rather than with them being black. If that was the case (and the point I was trying to make earlier) than less black people would mean less murders.. across the board, and as we can see by the "stats" that is not the case. Stats can be used to prove almost anything, its just a matter of what you choose to present. ex: There was a higher rate of black victims than non-blacks. Between 1992 and 2003, the homicide victimization rate for the overall population was 2 per 100,000; for the black population, it was 10 per 100,000. See... its the VICTIMIZATION rate that is 10 per 100000.. so black people are gettin shot at more often, nowhere does it say it other black people actually doing the shooting. Here is another interesting fact that kinda goes with what we were originally talkin about: "StatsCan research shows that two-thirds of homicides occur in a private residence." So dont stay at home cause the niggaz might get u there too! However: "In Toronto, it used to be that 50 per cent of homicides took place in bars, parking lots and on the street, and now that number is over 75 per cent." So dont go out either... niggaz be shootin people at the bars. Love your choice of words!!!  NIGGAZ!!!!!  Hmmmm.....  That says a lot!!!  If you're going to defend "black" people, choose your words carefully!!!  I don't recall Malcolm X or MLK Jr saying, "Wud up my niggaz???!!!!" And have fun at the Colombian bash.  Less people would go if that's all we heard on the news!  All of us shooting and stabbing at each other!! I suppose the tourist rate in Colombia is so low because no one pays attention to the media.    Oh well........ You honestly dont wanna go toe-to-toe with me about MLK and Malcolm. So Im gonna leave that alone. Let me just say this, the word NIgga was used to emphasize a point. Tourist rate in Colombia is what it is BECAUSE most people are smart enough to know that the media sensationalizes these stats, and BECAUSE people are smart enough to know that most Colombians are not killers and drug lords. Which is, the very point I was trying to make here. On that note.... Im also going to the Pupusa festival.. even tho EVERYONE knows THOSE people are all gang members... lol What in God's name are you talking about?  So the tourist rate is LOW because most people ignore the media and travel there anyway??!!    A little bit of an oxymoron there!! I WAS in Colombia!!  In Cartago, I saw three people in two seperate incidents get shot in the head over stupidness!  MY earrings got ripped off in Bogota!!  Can I blame people for not coming to Colombia?  HELL YEAH!!!  What you see in the media is what you get!!!  Of course not everyone encounters violence in Colombia but get real.  Speak to anyone from Colombia or El Salvador or wherever and find out for me if they live in bubble world's such as yourself!!! And it was the word **** that was used not NIGGA!!!  "Cool" people use nigga!!!    What kind of high grade colombian coke are you on? I meant lots of people go to Colombia cause theyre not dumb enough to buy into the hype.

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No they don't!!  Hence me mentioning for the THIRD time now, Colombia's L-O-W tourist rate.

@El Pibe:  No worries. Let him nit and pick at what I said about Colombia.  Not one peep came from his mouth about his WAR ON BLACK people theory and the articles backing up what myself and bistor have been saying!!

Motown Junkie wrote:

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Phantasma wrote:
Motown Junkie wrote: Phantasma wrote: Again, it has more to do with that 8% livin in questionable conditions rather than with them being black. If that was the case (and the point I was trying to make earlier) than less black people would mean less murders.. across the board, and as we can see by the "stats" that is not the case. Stats can be used to prove almost anything, its just a matter of what you choose to present. ex: There was a higher rate of black victims than non-blacks. Between 1992 and 2003, the homicide victimization rate for the overall population was 2 per 100,000; for the black population, it was 10 per 100,000. See... its the VICTIMIZATION rate that is 10 per 100000.. so black people are gettin shot at more often, nowhere does it say it other black people actually doing the shooting. Here is another interesting fact that kinda goes with what we were originally talkin about: "StatsCan research shows that two-thirds of homicides occur in a private residence." So dont stay at home cause the niggaz might get u there too! However: "In Toronto, it used to be that 50 per cent of homicides took place in bars, parking lots and on the street, and now that number is over 75 per cent." So dont go out either... niggaz be shootin people at the bars. Love your choice of words!!!  NIGGAZ!!!!!  Hmmmm.....  That says a lot!!!  If you're going to defend "black" people, choose your words carefully!!!  I don't recall Malcolm X or MLK Jr saying, "Wud up my niggaz???!!!!" And have fun at the Colombian bash.  Less people would go if that's all we heard on the news!  All of us shooting and stabbing at each other!! I suppose the tourist rate in Colombia is so low because no one pays attention to the media.    Oh well........ You honestly dont wanna go toe-to-toe with me about MLK and Malcolm. So Im gonna leave that alone. Let me just say this, the word NIgga was used to emphasize a point. Tourist rate in Colombia is what it is BECAUSE most people are smart enough to know that the media sensationalizes these stats, and BECAUSE people are smart enough to know that most Colombians are not killers and drug lords. Which is, the very point I was trying to make here. On that note.... Im also going to the Pupusa festival.. even tho EVERYONE knows THOSE people are all gang members... lol

What in God's name are you talking about?  So the tourist rate is LOW because most people ignore the media and travel there anyway??!!    A little bit of an oxymoron there!!
I WAS in Colombia!!  In Cartago, I saw three people in two seperate incidents get shot in the head over stupidness!  MY earrings got ripped off in Bogota!! 
Can I blame people for not coming to Colombia?  HELL YEAH!!!  What you see in the media is what you get!!!  Of course not everyone encounters violence in Colombia but get real.  Speak to anyone from Colombia or El Salvador or wherever and find out for me if they live in bubble world's such as yourself!!!
And it was the word **** that was used not NIGGA!!!  "Cool" people use nigga!!! 
 

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What kind of high grade colombian coke are you on?

I meant lots of people go to Colombia cause theyre not dumb enough to buy into the hype.

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Motown Junkie wrote:
El Pibe wrote: Motown Junkie wrote: El Pibe wrote: bistor wrote: The only area of Colombia where there is some tourism is Cartagena and the coast. There is very little in the rest of the country, which is a damn shame, though the reasons are pretty evident. As an anecdote, when I was there last December, I went to a hill that overlooks Bogotá and has a chapel at the top (Montserrate). We met a couple of australian tourists, and naturally, started to speak in english with them. We were soon encircled by bystanders curious to hear english. That's how common tourists are in Bogotá. I have to elaborate on this one.  Cartagena is on of the larger areas for tourism in Colombia, but its not the only one.  I know you said along the coast, but I just want to be a little more specific. La Feria de CALI La Feria de Baraquilla Santa Marta La Fiesta de las Flores (Medellin) El Pueblito Paisa (Medellin) a little Island called SAN ANDRES I'm sure there are more than just these areas, or feria's that bring in tourism.  These are the few that come to mind right away. @MJ, I've gone to Colombia every 2 - 3 years, and I have witness one shooting in my time there, and had a few scares here and there.  ButI can honestly say is that overall my experiences have been great, from what I can remember at least ... too much Aguardiente Antioqueno  ...  if there is such a thing   You're sleeping next to the litterbox!!!!  To witness a shooting ONCE is one too many times!!  Who the hell goes on vacation and comes back viewing that?!  You mean to tell me that Colombia is so high up there with places to visit?  Italy?  Greece?  Australia?  COLOMBIA????!!!! GO TAKE A NAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  No, I'm not comparing Colombia, to Italy, Greece or Australia.  All I'm saying is that Colombia had many beautiful things to offer to.  That is all.  If I could, I would go and take a nap ... come to think of it, I'm here all alone right now, so I just might  ... Yes it does but read bistor's post!!!  And if you nap where I napped, I will kill you!!!! 

Ok, but how can you compare Canada and Spain to Colombia, you can't, fully developed countries, against what is still considered a 3rd world country??  Its apples and oranges with this comparisant.  All I was saying is that Colombia does have beautiful tourists areas. 
BTW: you napped where I normally do in the mornings  
@ Bistro, El Pueblito Paisa, does attract tourist, just because they all speak spanish, it doesn't mean they are all Colombian,  the few times that I have been there I have seen and spoken with people from Peru, Uruguay, and Chile.-- Edited by El Pibe at 14:49, 2006-07-18 -- Edited by El Pibe at 14:50, 2006-07-18

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OK Pibe, how about underdeveloped Cuba's 2 million or underdeveloped Mexico's 17.5 million tourists a year?

I'm not disputing that SOME tourists go to Colombia. Hell, SOME tourists go to Aghanistan and Iraq, which I'm sure are beautiful countries aswell.

Unfortunately, your average tourist consumer, when given a choice between going to one of the world's hotspots, and Florida, will choose the latter.

That being said, the situation in Colombia IS improving (I felt safer in Bogotá than in Mexico City), but there is still a lot of work to do.

Colombia has a lot to offer: it does. It's a beautiful country with a great culture, great weather and great food.

When the political situation is resolved, I'm sure it will be receiving millions of visitors a year. But that won't be happening in 2006.

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Motown Junkie wrote: El Pibe wrote: bistor wrote: The only area of Colombia where there is some tourism is Cartagena and the coast. There is very little in the rest of the country, which is a damn shame, though the reasons are pretty evident. As an anecdote, when I was there last December, I went to a hill that overlooks Bogotá and has a chapel at the top (Montserrate). We met a couple of australian tourists, and naturally, started to speak in english with them. We were soon encircled by bystanders curious to hear english. That's how common tourists are in Bogotá. I have to elaborate on this one.  Cartagena is on of the larger areas for tourism in Colombia, but its not the only one.  I know you said along the coast, but I just want to be a little more specific. La Feria de CALI La Feria de Baraquilla Santa Marta La Fiesta de las Flores (Medellin) El Pueblito Paisa (Medellin) a little Island called SAN ANDRES I'm sure there are more than just these areas, or feria's that bring in tourism.  These are the few that come to mind right away. @MJ, I've gone to Colombia every 2 - 3 years, and I have witness one shooting in my time there, and had a few scares here and there.  ButI can honestly say is that overall my experiences have been great, from what I can remember at least ... too much Aguardiente Antioqueno  ...  if there is such a thing   You're sleeping next to the litterbox!!!!  To witness a shooting ONCE is one too many times!!  Who the hell goes on vacation and comes back viewing that?!  You mean to tell me that Colombia is so high up there with places to visit?  Italy?  Greece?  Australia?  COLOMBIA????!!!! GO TAKE A NAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  No, I'm not comparing Colombia, to Italy, Greece or Australia.  All I'm saying is that Colombia had many beautiful things to offer to.  That is all.  If I could, I would go and take a nap ... come to think of it, I'm here all alone right now, so I just might  ...

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Yes it does but read bistor's post!!! 

And if you nap where I napped, I will kill you!!!! 

El Pibe wrote:

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bistor wrote:
The only area of Colombia where there is some tourism is Cartagena and the coast. There is very little in the rest of the country, which is a damn shame, though the reasons are pretty evident. As an anecdote, when I was there last December, I went to a hill that overlooks Bogotá and has a chapel at the top (Montserrate). We met a couple of australian tourists, and naturally, started to speak in english with them. We were soon encircled by bystanders curious to hear english. That's how common tourists are in Bogotá.

I have to elaborate on this one.  Cartagena is on of the larger areas for tourism in Colombia, but its not the only one.  I know you said along the coast, but I just want to be a little more specific.
La Feria de CALI
La Feria de Baraquilla
Santa Marta
La Fiesta de las Flores (Medellin)
El Pueblito Paisa (Medellin)
a little Island called SAN ANDRES
I'm sure there are more than just these areas, or feria's that bring in tourism.  These are the few that come to mind right away.
@MJ, I've gone to Colombia every 2 - 3 years, and I have witness one shooting in my time there, and had a few scares here and there.  ButI can honestly say is that overall my experiences have been great, from what I can remember at least ... too much Aguardiente Antioqueno  ...  if there is such a thing

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I didn't see a single tourist at the pueblito paisa. Not one. All colombian.

The others you mention are specific fairs, which I haven't gone to.

And Santa Marta and Barranquilla are both coastal, as is San Andrés BTW. Very little FARC activity there.

The bottom line is, a country where there are military check points every few kilometers on its roads will never be (and indeed, isn't) a prime tourist destination.

Colombia receives 940 000 tourists a year. Compare that to Canada's 15 million or Spain's 55 million.

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The only area of Colombia where there is some tourism is Cartagena and the coast. There is very little in the rest of the country, which is a damn shame, though the reasons are pretty evident. As an anecdote, when I was there last December, I went to a hill that overlooks Bogotá and has a chapel at the top (Montserrate). We met a couple of australian tourists, and naturally, started to speak in english with them. We were soon encircled by bystanders curious to hear english. That's how common tourists are in Bogotá.

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I have to elaborate on this one.  Cartagena is on of the larger areas for tourism in Colombia, but its not the only one.  I know you said along the coast, but I just want to be a little more specific.

La Feria de CALI

La Feria de Baraquilla

Santa Marta

La Fiesta de las Flores (Medellin)

El Pueblito Paisa (Medellin)

a little Island called SAN ANDRES

I'm sure there are more than just these areas, or feria's that bring in tourism.  These are the few that come to mind right away.

@MJ, I've gone to Colombia every 2 - 3 years, and I have witness one shooting in my time there, and had a few scares here and there.  ButI can honestly say is that overall my experiences have been great, from what I can remember at least ... too much Aguardiente Antioqueno  ...  if there is such a thing

Phantasma wrote:

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Motown Junkie wrote: Phantasma wrote: Again, it has more to do with that 8% livin in questionable conditions rather than with them being black. If that was the case (and the point I was trying to make earlier) than less black people would mean less murders.. across the board, and as we can see by the "stats" that is not the case. Stats can be used to prove almost anything, its just a matter of what you choose to present. ex: There was a higher rate of black victims than non-blacks. Between 1992 and 2003, the homicide victimization rate for the overall population was 2 per 100,000; for the black population, it was 10 per 100,000. See... its the VICTIMIZATION rate that is 10 per 100000.. so black people are gettin shot at more often, nowhere does it say it other black people actually doing the shooting. Here is another interesting fact that kinda goes with what we were originally talkin about: "StatsCan research shows that two-thirds of homicides occur in a private residence." So dont stay at home cause the niggaz might get u there too! However: "In Toronto, it used to be that 50 per cent of homicides took place in bars, parking lots and on the street, and now that number is over 75 per cent." So dont go out either... niggaz be shootin people at the bars. Love your choice of words!!!  NIGGAZ!!!!!  Hmmmm.....  That says a lot!!!  If you're going to defend "black" people, choose your words carefully!!!  I don't recall Malcolm X or MLK Jr saying, "Wud up my niggaz???!!!!" And have fun at the Colombian bash.  Less people would go if that's all we heard on the news!  All of us shooting and stabbing at each other!! I suppose the tourist rate in Colombia is so low because no one pays attention to the media.    Oh well........ You honestly dont wanna go toe-to-toe with me about MLK and Malcolm. So Im gonna leave that alone. Let me just say this, the word NIgga was used to emphasize a point. Tourist rate in Colombia is what it is BECAUSE most people are smart enough to know that the media sensationalizes these stats, and BECAUSE people are smart enough to know that most Colombians are not killers and drug lords. Which is, the very point I was trying to make here. On that note.... Im also going to the Pupusa festival.. even tho EVERYONE knows THOSE people are all gang members... lol

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What in God's name are you talking about?  So the tourist rate is LOW because most people ignore the media and travel there anyway??!!    A little bit of an oxymoron there!!

I WAS in Colombia!!  In Cartago, I saw three people in two seperate incidents get shot in the head over stupidness!  MY earrings got ripped off in Bogota!! 

Can I blame people for not coming to Colombia?  HELL YEAH!!!  What you see in the media is what you get!!!  Of course not everyone encounters violence in Colombia but get real.  Speak to anyone from Colombia or El Salvador or wherever and find out for me if they live in bubble world's such as yourself!!!

And it was the word **** that was used not NIGGA!!!  "Cool" people use nigga!!! 

 

Are these black people racist???

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_12.06.01/news/streets.html

Sometimes politicians play the numbers game to determine whether a problem is big or small -- whether they should pay attention. Toronto's black community is asking when the numbers are big enough to get a political response.

Over the last five years, more than 100 black youths have met violent death -- most by gunshot -- at the hands of other black youths. So far this year, more than 20 black kids have been murdered in the city. The patterns and numbers make it clear this is not just a series of isolated incidents.

The murder rate in the City of Toronto averages around 55 per year, although it went as high as 65 back in 1994. Compared to American cities with more than 2 million residents, this is an exceptionally low rate. But more than one-third of all murders have occurred within a small subset of the population -- black youth -- and there is widespread agreement within the black community that the perpetrators come from the same subset.

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Or how about the Toronto Star?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1026146837542&call_page=TS_RaceAndCrime&call_pageid=1034935301156&call_pagepath=GTA/Race_and_Crime&col=1034935301113

The same analysis of a massive police database also reveals that a disproportionate number of blacks were charged with violent crimes. These include homicides, attempted murder, sex assaults, gun-related offences and assaults. These are cases where officers, due to the serious nature of the charges, have little room to exercise even a subconscious bias.

The data show that accused black people represent nearly 27 per cent of all violent charges; this, although the latest census figures show that only 8.1 per cent of the population list their skin colour as black.

Colombia is a beautiful country though.

Motown Junkie wrote:

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HEY EVERYONE!!!  THE COLOMBIAN FESTIVAL IS ON THIS WEEKEND!!!!  IT'S GONNA BE ONE BIG BLOOD BATH!!!!
Toronto's homicide rate is going to go THROUGH the roof!!!!!! 
COLOMBIA #1!!!!!! 
Us Colombians are so poor and with the black Colombians...........WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!  Bring it baby!!!!!  WWIII is here!!!!
 
I'll take that cookie now!!! 

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And Im SO going to that.. cause I would never let some biased media report keep me from having a good time and chillin with my Colombian peoples!

I go every year, same like I go to Caribanna every year.. and Im yet to get shot or even see some one get shot or even stabbed. What a rip!!!

and I didnt even know you were Colombian till just now, that was rather an ironic coincidence that I found that.

Again, it has more to do with that 8% livin in questionable conditions rather than with them being black. If that was the case (and the point I was trying to make earlier) than less black people would mean less murders.. across the board, and as we can see by the "stats" that is not the case.

Stats can be used to prove almost anything, its just a matter of what you choose to present.

ex:

There was a higher rate of black victims than non-blacks. Between 1992 and 2003, the homicide victimization rate for the overall population was 2 per 100,000; for the black population, it was 10 per 100,000.

See... its the VICTIMIZATION rate that is 10 per 100000.. so black people are gettin shot at more often, nowhere does it say it other black people actually doing the shooting.


Here is another interesting fact that kinda goes with what we were originally talkin about:

"StatsCan research shows that two-thirds of homicides occur in a private residence."


So dont stay at home cause the niggaz might get u there too!

However:


"In Toronto, it used to be that 50 per cent of homicides took place in bars, parking lots and on the street, and now that number is over 75 per cent."

So dont go out either... niggaz be shootin people at the bars.

Phantasma wrote:

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bistor wrote:
You're grasping at straws, phanta.

This discussion is about crime in Toronto. Not the murder rate in Iraq, where we're all aware it is much higher than here.

The reality is that between 1992 and 2003 the murder rate for whites was 2 per 100 000, while that for blacks was 10 pero 100 000.

Those are the hard numbers.

Everything else is wishful thinking. A fantasy world, pink, lovely, and pure, where choir boys are equally as likely to commit a murder as young men from troubled families.




Thats a good point. Do we agree then that there are socioeconomical conditions that make a person more likely to commit a crime rather then there being some kind of "black gene" and that if the distribution of wealth were such that there were more poor white people that poor black people than the stats would be opposite? and were do these hard numbers come from I wonder. U got a link? Cause I know stats can doesnt keep race/crime statistics.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that there is a black criminal gene.

The 350 000-strong black community is still overwhelmingly law-abiding. We're not talking about thousands of murders a year, but we are talking about overrepresentation in murder (as perpetrators AND victims) from a community that is only 8% of the population of the city.

A community that also has a disproportionate drop out rate, and an unemployment rate three times the average (21% vs 7%).

The study was done by a University of Toronto sociologist. Here's the link:

Putting violence in its context

I'm sure you can find the Toronto Star article at the reference library.

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You're grasping at straws, phanta.

This discussion is about crime in Toronto. Not the murder rate in Iraq, where we're all aware it is much higher than here.

The reality is that between 1992 and 2003 the murder rate for whites was 2 per 100 000, while that for blacks was 10 pero 100 000.

Those are the hard numbers.

Everything else is wishful thinking. A fantasy world, pink, lovely, and pure, where choir boys are equally as likely to commit a murder as young men from troubled families.

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Thats a good point. Do we agree then that there are socioeconomical conditions that make a person more likely to commit a crime rather then there being some kind of "black gene" and that if the distribution of wealth were such that there were more poor white people that poor black people than the stats would be opposite? and were do these hard numbers come from I wonder. U got a link? Cause I know stats can doesnt keep race/crime statistics.

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Motown Junkie wrote: This was taken WAY out of context!!  First of all, we were talking about an incident that happend in THIS city.  Somehow it became a world wide issue. To compare the city of Toronto to the country of COLOMBIA, is LAUGHABLE, RIDICULES, AND PATHETIC!!! All of us have friends of various cultures/ethnicities.  I don't look at my black friends and think they're going to stab me!!! Your points are just so stupid!!  I was talking to a very good friend of mine from Barbados and he agrees with me!!  He won't even let his own children attend those events and he's black so what does that say??  He's racist too??!!!  I'm sure everyone went to that club with the intentions of having a good time and hang out with friends and unfortunately it took one idiot to spoil it for everyone else.  They don't have metal detectors at every club, now do they? ANYWAY, you may go to those clubs and have a good time but I, on the other hand, have had to deal with low class idiots!!!  Am I saying all black people are like that?  NO!!  I've been to several hip hop clubs and either I've been groped, shoved around, pushed, or just plain and simple, insulted!!!  That pretty much told me, NO THANKS!!!  I'll pass on the next "wicked" jam!!! You should be grateful you didnt get sHOtUP! I say you never go back to them places again.

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I am grateful!  That's why I don't go anymore!  Not even my boyfriend goes!  We can't be bothered with idiots who have serious ego problems!!!  Have you ever heard someone say, "Excuse me?"  or "Sorry!"  HA!!!  Just a nice kiss of the teeth because we were in "their" way at a PACKED club!!!  C-L-A-S-S-Y!!! 

Not to say that Las Brisas, Plaza, LatinFever, etc are any better but really and truly, let's not compare homicide rates. 

You're grasping at straws, phanta.

This discussion is about crime in Toronto. Not the murder rate in Iraq, where we're all aware it is much higher than here.

The reality is that between 1992 and 2003 the murder rate for whites was 2 per 100 000, while that for blacks was 10 pero 100 000.

Those are the hard numbers.

Everything else is wishful thinking. A fantasy world, pink, lovely, and pure, where choir boys are equally as likely to commit a murder as young men from troubled families.

rick wrote:

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Phantasma wrote:
El Pibe wrote: No one here is saying that ALL people of colour are killers, rapists, or theives.  It is a very bad stereo type that all of these races carry with them, because of the 2% or 3% of that race that decide to act upon their uncontrolled mentality.  It is stupid to say that ALL Latino's are this, or that ALL blacks are that.  We all know the truth, we are not ignorant to it.  We know that it is a very small percentage of each culture that act this way, that commit crimes.  But when all you here in the news is that suspects are constantly black or latino, it hard for some people to think differently.  I do not beleive that EVERYONE from a coloured background, is a criminal, a gansta, or a drug dealer.  The way you present yourself also plays a role in how society will look at you, if anyone (white, black, latino, etc) is walking about with clothes 5 times bigger then them, and all they do is swear, and use slang when they speak, then that stereo type will be believed.  But I'm pretty sure that everyone here has an office job, and that they present themselves in a respectable manner, not sloppy, business casual, and what kind of looks do you get at work???  Not the same ones you would get if you went in with big baggy jeans and a basketball jersey. So why live up to those stereo types??? If you want to be treated differently, then its in your hands to change the way people see you.  Just because your appearance may change abit it doesn't mean that you forget who you are.  This is just MY OPINION on this topic. I agree with u dude. As far as the way people dress I wish it werent like that and people werent judged on the basis of what they wear but we live in the real world and thats just the way it is. To be fair, you see more baggy panted jersey wearin fools out in Mississauga and most of them are white... so
hahaha buddy are you for real???? . have you ever being to north york?? jane and finsh?? you can t even compared mississauga to those places. Mississauga is mostly ginos ...

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I guess I wouldnt know... since I only LIVE in Mississauga..

Phantasma wrote:

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El Pibe wrote: No one here is saying that ALL people of colour are killers, rapists, or theives.  It is a very bad stereo type that all of these races carry with them, because of the 2% or 3% of that race that decide to act upon their uncontrolled mentality.  It is stupid to say that ALL Latino's are this, or that ALL blacks are that.  We all know the truth, we are not ignorant to it.  We know that it is a very small percentage of each culture that act this way, that commit crimes.  But when all you here in the news is that suspects are constantly black or latino, it hard for some people to think differently.  I do not beleive that EVERYONE from a coloured background, is a criminal, a gansta, or a drug dealer.  The way you present yourself also plays a role in how society will look at you, if anyone (white, black, latino, etc) is walking about with clothes 5 times bigger then them, and all they do is swear, and use slang when they speak, then that stereo type will be believed.  But I'm pretty sure that everyone here has an office job, and that they present themselves in a respectable manner, not sloppy, business casual, and what kind of looks do you get at work???  Not the same ones you would get if you went in with big baggy jeans and a basketball jersey. So why live up to those stereo types??? If you want to be treated differently, then its in your hands to change the way people see you.  Just because your appearance may change abit it doesn't mean that you forget who you are.  This is just MY OPINION on this topic. I agree with u dude. As far as the way people dress I wish it werent like that and people werent judged on the basis of what they wear but we live in the real world and thats just the way it is. To be fair, you see more baggy panted jersey wearin fools out in Mississauga and most of them are white... so

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hahaha buddy are you for real???? . have you ever being to north york?? jane and finsh?? you can t even compared mississauga to those places. Mississauga is mostly ginos ...

El Pibe wrote:

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No one here is saying that ALL people of colour are killers, rapists, or theives.  It is a very bad stereo type that all of these races carry with them, because of the 2% or 3% of that race that decide to act upon their uncontrolled mentality.  It is stupid to say that ALL Latino's are this, or that ALL blacks are that.  We all know the truth, we are not ignorant to it.  We know that it is a very small percentage of each culture that act this way, that commit crimes.  But when all you here in the news is that suspects are constantly black or latino, it hard for some people to think differently. 
I do not beleive that EVERYONE from a coloured background, is a criminal, a gansta, or a drug dealer.  The way you present yourself also plays a role in how society will look at you, if anyone (white, black, latino, etc) is walking about with clothes 5 times bigger then them, and all they do is swear, and use slang when they speak, then that stereo type will be believed.  But I'm pretty sure that everyone here has an office job, and that they present themselves in a respectable manner, not sloppy, business casual, and what kind of looks do you get at work???  Not the same ones you would get if you went in with big baggy jeans and a basketball jersey.
So why live up to those stereo types??? If you want to be treated differently, then its in your hands to change the way people see you.  Just because your appearance may change abit it doesn't mean that you forget who you are.  This is just MY OPINION on this topic.

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I agree with u dude.

As far as the way people dress I wish it werent like that and people werent judged on the basis of what they wear but we live in the real world and thats just the way it is.

To be fair, you see more baggy panted jersey wearin fools out in Mississauga and most of them are white... so