Danny416 wrote:

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Motown Junkie wrote: Chilenita wrote: Speaking of reggae...well sort of...most Jamacians I know love salsa, merengue and stuff but think reggaeton is a joke. San Andres reminded me of a combination of Colombian and Jamaican people.  It was interesting.  we have something like that too in my country its called la provincia de esmeraldas y el valle del chota!;P

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Where I'm from, we have an area where there's 2 latin families and the rest Jamaicans...it's called REXDALE..lol

Chilenita wrote:

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Speaking of reggae...well sort of...most Jamacians I know love salsa, merengue and stuff but think reggaeton is a joke.

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San Andres reminded me of a combination of Colombian and Jamaican people.  It was interesting. 

LaDyBuG wrote:

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Danny416 wrote: LOL so i guess im the only one here who can tell the difference between 10 reggaeton songs.... EJEM 

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ohh yes my homegurl here!!! sorry hun forgot about u ..

and shout outs to my other peeps..cocotaso and ecuasteelo..they know the deal too;P

Sweetness wrote:

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Dogo wrote:
 Well, no..... If that's a fact, I'll take your word for it, I've never researched itI'm also part Italian.... doesn't mean I know where Lasagna originated, lol

lol
I did research this, but hey I could be wrong.  Perhaps I misunderstood.  I'll look into it more, because now you got me thinking.

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Origenes del Tango I

Origenes del Tango II

The tango is about as african as the polka.

LaDyBuG wrote:

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melanie wrote:  I cant believe its Umm Sss and not Uns Uns You guys have it allllll wrong..... The beat is:  ITZ ITZ ITZ ITZ ITZ

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          I Agree but shouldnt we ask MCitzitzitz...isnt he the one that absolutely loves this type of music?

melanie wrote:

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 I cant believe its Umm Sss and not Uns Uns

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You guys have it allllll wrong.....

The beat is:  ITZ ITZ ITZ ITZ ITZ

latinsoulchild wrote:

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Well this is my take on this...
  EVERY latin rhythm derived from africa in one way of another. The indians who were the first to roam the americas had their music...the europeans who came and raped all the women had their music...and the slaves from africa who were forced here also had their music....what we have now is a mix of all of that...whether it be reggaeton, bachata, merengue, salsa, cumbia, vallenato, candombe, festejo, cuenca, lando, son, perico ripiao', guaguanco, plena, palo, marimba ...yadda...yadda..yadda.... Latino music is a huge bowl in a blender all mixed up. If you look at the latin market, we have EVERYTHING. Latin-Jazz, Latin-Rock, Latin-Rap, Latin-Pop....it's all other genres SUNG in spanish.
@ Sweetness - Valid point...but you have to remember that Reggaeton wouldn't be reggaeton if "the beat" was different. Same thing with dance music..if you change the "Umm Sss Umm Sss.." to something else, it wouldn't be dance music anymore. Maybe some producer will be creative and stray away from the conformity of the beat and we might have yet another Latin genre to add to the huge list!
 -- Edited by latinsoulchild at 20:29, 2006-05-18

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I cant get this damn beat out of my head. I cant believe its Umm Sss and not Uns Uns

Dogo wrote:

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Sweetness wrote: Dogo wrote: Sweetness wrote: bistor wrote: I'd like to know what 'african rhythm' Tango or Rancheras come from. Cute simplification mind you. Tango comes from the Candombe rhythms from Africa.  As for the Rancheras I have no clue. huh? it does? lol well Tango is not solely originated from these African rhythms, but Candombe African rhythms are a part of it mixed with other Argentinian rhythms.  You should know.  Aren't you from Argentina?   Yes I am.... that's why I asked the question, lol......... you sure you mean TANGO?It sounds nothing like Candombe though.... more like waltz-ish...... but I bet if we go back far enough... all music comes from fish!! LOL

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Hey I'm just saying what I know from what some friends from Argentina have told me and from my own research in the past, but hey I never claimed to be right.lol  I guess you know best since your from Argentina, but my point is that there are African roots in Tango.  Of course over time the tempo could have been simplified and more steps could have been added an so on.  Like I said you know best in this case I guess.

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Sweetness wrote:
Dogo wrote: Sweetness wrote: bistor wrote: I'd like to know what 'african rhythm' Tango or Rancheras come from. Cute simplification mind you. Tango comes from the Candombe rhythms from Africa.  As for the Rancheras I have no clue. huh? it does? lol well Tango is not solely originated from these African rhythms, but Candombe African rhythms are a part of it mixed with other Argentinian rhythms.  You should know.  Aren't you from Argentina?  

Yes I am.... that's why I asked the question, lol......... you sure you mean TANGO?It sounds nothing like Candombe though.... more like waltz-ish...... but I bet if we go back far enough... all music comes from fish!! LOL

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LOL..your a funny boy Dogo.

Sweetness wrote:

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Dogo wrote: Sweetness wrote: bistor wrote: I'd like to know what 'african rhythm' Tango or Rancheras come from. Cute simplification mind you. Tango comes from the Candombe rhythms from Africa.  As for the Rancheras I have no clue. huh? it does? lol well Tango is not solely originated from these African rhythms, but Candombe African rhythms are a part of it mixed with other Argentinian rhythms.  You should know.  Aren't you from Argentina?  

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Sweetness wrote:

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bistor wrote: I'd like to know what 'african rhythm' Tango or Rancheras come from. Cute simplification mind you. Tango comes from the Candombe rhythms from Africa.  As for the Rancheras I have no clue.

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huh? it does?

I'd like to know what 'african rhythm' Tango or Rancheras come from.

Cute simplification mind you.

Well this is my take on this...

  EVERY latin rhythm derived from africa in one way of another. The indians who were the first to roam the americas had their music...the europeans who came and raped all the women had their music...and the slaves from africa who were forced here also had their music....what we have now is a mix of all of that...whether it be reggaeton, bachata, merengue, salsa, cumbia, vallenato, candombe, festejo, cuenca, lando, son, perico ripiao', guaguanco, plena, palo, marimba ...yadda...yadda..yadda.... Latino music is a huge bowl in a blender all mixed up. If you look at the latin market, we have EVERYTHING. Latin-Jazz, Latin-Rock, Latin-Rap, Latin-Pop....it's all other genres SUNG in spanish.

@ Sweetness - Valid point...but you have to remember that Reggaeton wouldn't be reggaeton if "the beat" was different. Same thing with dance music..if you change the "Umm Sss Umm Sss.." to something else, it wouldn't be dance music anymore. Maybe some producer will be creative and stray away from the conformity of the beat and we might have yet another Latin genre to add to the huge list!

 

-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 20:29, 2006-05-18

Speaking of reggae...well sort of...most Jamacians I know love salsa, merengue and stuff but think reggaeton is a joke.

Danny416 wrote:

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LOL u took the wrong person to battle on when it comes to this: Il break things down to u easily..first off hispanics havent been none exclusivley for just 'tropical music" do a lil more research...hispaics latinos r one of the pioneers along side blacks to start hiphop from the early days..when it came to breakdancing especially..hiphop started in the bronx ..guess what half the bronx is latino puerto rican to be exact...so as u can see latinos played a big role in both tropical and urban music... so why doesnt reggaeton show latin culture??..u gonna listen to it a lil more reggaeton is made up of different music..u got songs that r mixed with bachata, salsa hiphop reggae etc...reggaeton artists never forget theyre roots..thats why u got niggas like tego doing salsa tracks with heavy weights... we all know reggaeton has been around for more then 10 years..the only idiots who say that reggaeton no se pasa mas de la gasolina..r the media commercial huevones who dont know more better..then to playout a hot single 10000 times a day...they dont know enough about the music to begin with... and i know we r in 'TORONTO' but comon..must we be always cought up on the same music always??..its all good to appreciate classics..but hey there is also a large amount of good music coming out of today as well..why not make it equal? in the future maybe reggaeton could die down on the commercial level..it could evolve into something bigger too..but its always gonna be considered a latin genre..and will hold its own..in the mean time its only getting bigger.. DONE AND DONE!!!!!!  

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OK,.. I know what u mean,. and u send me to research ,. so well I did,.. and my points are as follow,..

Un poco de la historia del Rap y el Reggae en español. El reggae surgio en Jamaica en los 70's y con el transcurso del tiempo ha sido mezclado con otros ritmos y ha tenido muchos cambios. En Panamá fue el primer lugar donde se cantó reggae en español a cargo de "Chicho man" de la ciudad colón, en 1985..... En Puerto Rico fue el primer lugar que se cantó rap en español a cargo de "Vico C" en 1985...

Source: http://www.mundoreggaeton.com/docs/historiareggaeton.htm

My point: Root of reggaeton ,. Jamaica reaggae,. even though as this article said "canto reggae en español" only the leanguage change,. (I know soem ppl are going to say that it has a mix of rhytms ,. it s true ,. but reggae comes form Jamaica and Rap / Hip hop Jamaican roots but were born in USA.)

Danny u might be right that is the way latin youth shows their culture,. and that music has to evolve,. and blah blah,. but I don't think it shows our culture as Salsa or any other tropical beat does ,. or even Mariachi,..

Don't take me wrong,. i like regueton and I will support any hispanic singer,..

Para finalizar creo que el error radica en que cualquier ritmo cantado en ESPAÑOL es considerado LATINO cuando las raices son otras, el español es idioma con el que los hispanos somos identificados, pero nuestra cultura contiene mas riquezas que el idioma.

 

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When u listen salsa ,. what do u think?? don't u think Hispanic or "Spanish",..probably most ppl from other culture don't know how to dance it,. but the exotic moves and rhytms bring them to find answers in our culture,.. of course everyone can dance reggaton,. well not everyone,. but as u said u move ur head,. but if u r dancing with someone ,. u won't only move ur head would u,. it s easier to learned,. and just stand while the girl rub her a$$ on ur....,. so yeah every man can do that,.

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Of course I think Hispanic or Spanish when I hear salsa. I like reggaeton but I can't dance to it... it's not very danceable if you ask me. But whether it's salsa, merengue, bachata, latin rock or reggaeton... if you like it, you'll want to know more about it regardless of the genre.

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 Hispancis have been known for tropical rhythm,. not for hip/hop and reggae,. (i like reggaton) ,.. I m not saying is a bad idea,. it s just  that i don't agree that reggaton shows the latin culture,. besides we are not in NY,. and about other types of music getting mix with reggaton is because is the BOOM now,. and what one of the reggaton singers said once (I don't rememember his name) "El regueton ha estado en el mercado por muchos años y no viene de la Gasolina para aca".

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LOL u took the wrong person to battle on when it comes to this:

Il break things down to u easily..first off hispanics havent been none exclusivley for just 'tropical music" do a lil more research...hispaics latinos r one of the pioneers along side blacks to start hiphop from the early days..when it came to breakdancing especially..hiphop started in the bronx ..guess what half the bronx is latino puerto rican to be exact...so as u can see latinos played a big role in both tropical and urban music...

so why doesnt reggaeton show latin culture??..u gonna listen to it a lil more reggaeton is made up of different music..u got songs that r mixed with bachata, salsa hiphop reggae etc...reggaeton artists never forget theyre roots..thats why u got niggas like tego doing salsa tracks with heavy weights...

we all know reggaeton has been around for more then 10 years..the only idiots who say that reggaeton no se pasa mas de la gasolina..r the media commercial huevones who dont know more better..then to playout a hot single 10000 times a day...they dont know enough about the music to begin with...

and i know we r in 'TORONTO' but comon..must we be always cought up on the same music always??..its all good to appreciate classics..but hey there is also a large amount of good music coming out of today as well..why not make it equal?

in the future maybe reggaeton could die down on the commercial level..it could evolve into something bigger too..but its always gonna be considered a latin genre..and will hold its own..in the mean time its only getting bigger..

DONE AND DONE!!!!!!

 

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Miel wrote: Reggaton??? why reggaton?? don't take me wrong i like it,. but i don't think ur using it to promote the hispanic culture,..salsa ,.merengue and bachata and any other tropical music has been for years bring ppl from other cultures to understand the roots of the hispanic community,. right now it has just been the boom of the reggaton,. good if ur using it as vehicle to promote ur nights,. but is just because is in now,. not because will show our culture ,. just my opinion,.. I think he's trying to say reggaeton will open their minds to the salsas, merengues, bachatas, etc. Because let's face it.. if u can't dance to salsa etc... ie me... then you won't want to hear it.. but at least with reggaeton u can do the head nod. I feel like shaking a promoter's hand... there should be a thread on that.

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When u listen salsa ,. what do u think?? don't u think Hispanic or "Spanish",..probably most ppl from other culture don't know how to dance it,. but the exotic moves and rhytms bring them to find answers in our culture,.. of course everyone can dance reggaton,. well not everyone,. but as u said u move ur head,. but if u r dancing with someone ,. u won't only move ur head would u,. it s easier to learned,. and just stand while the girl rub her a$$ on ur....,. so yeah every man can do that,.

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 reggaeton does show latin culture...its one of the biggest latin genres of today thats selling big....u even got other artists from other genres teaming up with reggaeton artists to make music.. every music has to evolve at sometime right? ..merengue and bachata aint even doing all that anymore....i think toronto needs to let go of the past ..a bit..and bring in something different...this is a good idea what theyre doing ..its like NY club style sets of reggaeton sets of hiphop.. a few years from now maybe something else might come out....

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tell how regueton show latin culture???,. Hispancis have been known for tropical rhythm,. not for hip/hop and reggae,. (i like reggaton) ,.. I m not saying is a bad idea,. it s just  that i don't agree that reggaton shows the latin culture,. besides we are not in NY,. and about other types of music getting mix with reggaton is because is the BOOM now,. and what one of the reggaton singers said once (I don't rememember his name) "El regueton ha estado en el mercado por muchos años y no viene de la Gasolina para aca".

Miel wrote:

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sabornuevo wrote:   This is somthing that we wanted to do for a longest time  and thats cross over to the english market and  use reaggaton as the music to allow sabor nuevo into the the english music scene what this does for us as latinos is get people more intrested in our culture and clubs When they become bigger fans of reaggaeton maybe they might want a bigger dose of latin music and go to the clubs that play more salsa merengue and bachata   and sorry benito c sabor nuevo is the strongest ever with 3 night in three different location you are always welcomed to visit Reggaton??? why reggaton?? don't take me wrong i like it,. but i don't think ur using it to promote the hispanic culture,..salsa ,.merengue and bachata and any other tropical music has been for years bring ppl from other cultures to understand the roots of the hispanic community,. right now it has just been the boom of the reggaton,. good if ur using it as vehicle to promote ur nights,. but is just because is in now,. not because will show our culture ,. just my opinion,..

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reggaeton does show latin culture...its one of the biggest latin genres of today thats selling big....u even got other artists from other genres teaming up with reggaeton artists to make music..

every music has to evolve at sometime right? ..merengue and bachata aint even doing all that anymore....i think toronto needs to let go of the past ..a bit..and bring in something different...this is a good idea what theyre doing ..its like NY club style sets of reggaeton sets of hiphop..

a few years from now maybe something else might come out....

Miel wrote:

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Reggaton??? why reggaton?? don't take me wrong i like it,. but i don't think ur using it to promote the hispanic culture,..salsa ,.merengue and bachata and any other tropical music has been for years bring ppl from other cultures to understand the roots of the hispanic community,. right now it has just been the boom of the reggaton,. good if ur using it as vehicle to promote ur nights,. but is just because is in now,. not because will show our culture ,. just my opinion,..

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I think he's trying to say reggaeton will open their minds to the salsas, merengues, bachatas, etc. Because let's face it.. if u can't dance to salsa etc... ie me... then you won't want to hear it.. but at least with reggaeton u can do the head nod.

I feel like shaking a promoter's hand... there should be a thread on that.

Chilenita wrote:

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Danny416 wrote:  lol me and eddie go way back thats why..and u guys no i aint always about posting pics..i get my serious moments depending on the mood;P Way back but your just a yout?  LMAO just bugging you danny Whatever doesn't your team play today?  Don't answer on this thread there is a slogan thread....

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next week hun..i dont feel like going all the way back and looking up that thread lol

Chilenita wrote:

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Danny416 wrote: sabornuevo wrote:   This is somthing that we wanted to do for a longest time  and thats cross over to the english market and  use reaggaton as the music to allow sabor nuevo into the the english music scene what this does for us as latinos is get people more intrested in our culture and clubs When they become bigger fans of reaggaeton maybe they might want a bigger dose of latin music and go to the clubs that play more salsa merengue and bachata   and sorry benito c sabor nuevo is the strongest ever with 3 night in three different location you are always welcomed to visit now thats what im talking about eddie....ill give credit where credit is due..u guys gave more flavour to the latin scene here..straight up..if it werent for u guys..things would just be boring here..good idea bout the reggaeton ..al my non latinos r feeling it..i think any non latino can ..they dont need to know what theyre saying ..they just go for the beat..then u expose them to alil more then they will be all up on them latinas like no tomorrow..   careful Danny your head might get lost up Eddie's ASS soon! You need your head to come up with the brilliant pics Anyways latin flavor in English clubs is great!  No doubt about that! About my other post....just waiting to hear some opinions....from any promoter

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lol me and eddie go way back thats why..and u guys no i aint always about posting pics..i get my serious moments depending on the mood;P

sabornuevo wrote:

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  This is somthing that we wanted to do for a longest time  and thats cross over to the english market and  use reaggaton as the music to allow sabor nuevo into the the english music scene what this does for us as latinos is get people more intrested in our culture and clubs When they become bigger fans of reaggaeton maybe they might want a bigger dose of latin music and go to the clubs that play more salsa merengue and bachata   and sorry benito c sabor nuevo is the strongest ever with 3 night in three different location you are always welcomed to visit

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now thats what im talking about eddie....ill give credit where credit is due..u guys gave more flavour to the latin scene here..straight up..if it werent for u guys..things would just be boring here..good idea bout the reggaeton ..al my non latinos r feeling it..i think any non latino can ..they dont need to know what theyre saying ..they just go for the beat..then u expose them to alil more then they will be all up on them latinas like no tomorrow..