CROOKED LATIN PROMOTERS

Chilenita · Comandante

RE: CROOKED LATIN PROMOTERS

Chilenita · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:

13 hours after this thread was open...and no promoters yet.... -- Edited by McOSIRIS at 10:28, 2006-05-15

What a shocker!!!

I think Bainaman should tell us about his experiance so that others know who NOT to support.

Yeah yeah I know you don't want to name names

McOSIRIS · Comandante

13 hours after this thread was open...and no promoters yet....

-- Edited by McOSIRIS at 10:28, 2006-05-15

Chilenita · Comandante

hummm

No surprises here.

Bainaman · Foro Master

GENIE wrote:

           Im Not a Promoter but I have worked with some or many in the past and yes i have come across my share of liars and have been cheated out of money as well! So i know how u feel. But I guess thats why I back myself up with CONTRACTS! weather or not i make it myself and the two of us sign plus a netural witness and i dont mean i a fancy one jsut a plain one that can hold up in court for any reason! other then that yes i know what you mean and most promoters are in the industry for one reason
               TO MAKE MONEY FAST A NAME IN THE BUSINESS AND SEEEEEE YAAAAA

AAHHHH!!!

The Almighty Contract.

You know that almost NEVER do these contracts get followed.

If a band was to pull out of an event last minute because of contractual reasons.......you'd almost never have any shows here in T.O.

But the bands have to save face too.....and perform regardless.

Promoters take advantage of this all the time....

LaDyBuG · Comandante

GENIE wrote:

Bainaman wrote: Why is it that latin promoters have a bad rep in this city??? Has anyone had a first hand experience with a promoter that ripped them off???? Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a promoter??? Consider yourself lucky!!!! I guess that lying and stealing are a prerequisite for being a promoter in this city. Im Not a Promoter but I have worked with some or many in the past and yes i have come across my share of liars and have been cheated out of money as well! So i know how u feel. But I guess thats why I back myself up with CONTRACTS! weather or not i make it myself and the two of us sign plus a netural witness and i dont mean i a fancy one jsut a plain one that can hold up in court for any reason! other then that yes i know what you mean and most promoters are in the industry for one reason TO MAKE MONEY FAST A NAME IN THE BUSINESS AND SEEEEEE YAAAAA

A la hora de la hora.....a contract means SHHHHHH.....trust me....LOL

LaDyBuG · Comandante

From experience I have noticed that "promoters" or people hosting an event EXPECT you to understand their side of the story begging for understanding and forgiveness for delays or money issues but they don't understand yours or respect the agreement (why sign it if you are not gonna respect it ).....

....this happened to me a few months back with a show Ricky had....and I did not cause a scene that night but the guy heard it from me after the fact (pointless, I know)....but he could NOT deny ALL the wrong things he did....was he arrepentido? i dunno....was he emabarrassed? i dunno.....the bottom line is....he DID pay the guys....he wasted my time, the band's and stressed me out all night....and I don't forget these things easily.....

He lost credibility, respect and class, in my eyes.....just from HOW he handled the situation.....

I have been on the "paying" side as well.......even when the show/event flopped I paid my people on time FROM MY OWN POCKET and right away, treated them respectfully and handled the situation at that moment not showing them that there was something wrong (that's not their concern)....I did not avoid them....I kept my respect....I had to pay them regardless so why drag the situation, lose respect, hear nasty things and let them ruin my rep over a few dollars....not worth it and not business like!

(that's what I think....maybe I'm wrong but at least I feel good about it) LOL

Problems with money cause tension and mis-trust....in any relationship!

GENIE · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Why is it that latin promoters have a bad rep in this city??? Has anyone had a first hand experience with a promoter that ripped them off???? Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a promoter??? Consider yourself lucky!!!! I guess that lying and stealing are a prerequisite for being a promoter in this city.

Im Not a Promoter but I have worked with some or many in the past and yes i have come across my share of liars and have been cheated out of money as well! So i know how u feel. But I guess thats why I back myself up with CONTRACTS! weather or not i make it myself and the two of us sign plus a netural witness and i dont mean i a fancy one jsut a plain one that can hold up in court for any reason! other then that yes i know what you mean and most promoters are in the industry for one reason

TO MAKE MONEY FAST A NAME IN THE BUSINESS AND SEEEEEE YAAAAA

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

You're right!!! DUHHH!!!! Sori Ah! I just find interesting that from all the self proclaimed promoters in this forum....none have dropped by in this thread to enlighten us. @ LB - Yes! I've worked with both Lula and Joe....and they've never failed. Very Pro. On another note.......Band managers that have never failed me have been......Joe again when he was with Banda Bella, Victor Yanqui from Fantacia, Isaac from Energia Latina and yourself LB from Ricky's band. Aside from that.......all other band leaders that I've worked with for an extended period of time....have failed in one way or other. If you notice....all the people that have done a great job at it......take it seriously and treat it like a business. Unlike the other ones.

maybe they're too busy casting models for their flyers....

Bainaman · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
The biggest 5 letter word in the multiuniverse (as Daeveed would say).

It's MULTIVERSE...you can't say UNI if it's MULTI......duuuhhh!!!

As for the promoter thing....I've not had too much experience with the subject, but the experience that I've had has been good. This doesn't mean that there's no crooks around..in fact, it's full of them.
Maybe the best advise to artists is to be very careful, and just work with people referred by other artists.

You're right!!!

DUHHH!!!!

Sori Ah!

I just find interesting that from all the self proclaimed promoters in this forum....none have dropped by in this thread to enlighten us.

@ LB - Yes! I've worked with both Lula and Joe....and they've never failed. Very Pro. On another note.......Band managers that have never failed me have been......Joe again when he was with Banda Bella, Victor Yanqui from Fantacia, Isaac from Energia Latina and yourself LB from Ricky's band. Aside from that.......all other band leaders that I've worked with for an extended period of time....have failed in one way or other.

If you notice....all the people that have done a great job at it......take it seriously and treat it like a business. Unlike the other ones.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Ironically, someone asked me this last year.....

Name 1 Latin promoter in TO who has not failed anyone?

Personally I can say that working with Lula Lounge we have had no problems as far as guestlist, getting paid on time, free drinks, sound....etc...they are in a way "promoters"....they promote their own venue and even when they haven't made money at the door they have happily paid us on time.....

I also hear that Joe from Super Latin is very organized and treats Media respectfully....and doesn't fail the people he works with....

And it's not so much the Latin promoters but I can name 3 NON-Latin promoters who have failed people in the Latin scene.....I think we all know who they are LOL

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

The biggest 5 letter word in the multiuniverse (as Daeveed would say).

It's MULTIVERSE...you can't say UNI if it's MULTI......duuuhhh!!!

As for the promoter thing....I've not had too much experience with the subject, but the experience that I've had has been good. This doesn't mean that there's no crooks around..in fact, it's full of them.

Maybe the best advise to artists is to be very careful, and just work with people referred by other artists.

Bainaman · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

perhaps you should start stepping on other ppl's throat, just like many of the promoters out there do.... but i think the biggest pride for a man is to achieve something the honest way...

Here! Here!

I guess it makes them feel a sense of accomplishment to pull something on someone....for a failed event or show.

Dogo · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:

Bainaman wrote: I URGE.......NO.....I BEG ALL OF THE PROMOTERS OUT THERE......TO SHOW ME THE WAY. MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING......MAYBE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROMOTING BUSINESS. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME! HOW DOES A PROMOTER JUSTIFY LYING, STEALING AND RUNNING AWAY.......HOW?!?!?!? THERE MUST BE A GOOD REASON!! perhaps you should start stepping on other ppl's throat, just like many of the promoters out there do.... but i think the biggest pride for a man is to achieve something the honest way...

Ahhhhh, yes!! the meaning of REAL success!

Dogo · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

I URGE.......NO.....I BEG ALL OF THE PROMOTERS OUT THERE......TO SHOW ME THE WAY. MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING......MAYBE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROMOTING BUSINESS. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME! HOW DOES A PROMOTER JUSTIFY LYING, STEALING AND RUNNING AWAY.......HOW?!?!?!? THERE MUST BE A GOOD REASON!!

$

It's not a good one, though

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

I URGE.......NO.....I BEG ALL OF THE PROMOTERS OUT THERE......TO SHOW ME THE WAY. MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING......MAYBE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROMOTING BUSINESS. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME! HOW DOES A PROMOTER JUSTIFY LYING, STEALING AND RUNNING AWAY.......HOW?!?!?!? THERE MUST BE A GOOD REASON!!

perhaps you should start stepping on other ppl's throat, just like many of the promoters out there do.... but i think the biggest pride for a man is to achieve something the honest way...

Bainaman · Foro Master

I URGE.......NO.....I BEG ALL OF THE PROMOTERS OUT THERE......TO SHOW ME THE WAY.

MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING......MAYBE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROMOTING BUSINESS.

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!

HOW DOES A PROMOTER JUSTIFY LYING, STEALING AND RUNNING AWAY.......HOW?!?!?!?

THERE MUST BE A GOOD REASON!!

Bainaman · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

That is EXACTLY how I do bussiness, and rarely had a problem in almost 17 years..... but in my bussiness I don't work with our community... what does that say? I'm not sure

You're right!

It's never an issue with "non-latins" in my experience.

In fact.....most of the time....I'm the one freaking out making sure that things are good....'cause the non-latins run their things pretty tight!

Dogo · Comandante

Julie wrote:

Bainaman wrote: Dogo wrote: Of course it does man!... but for some reason it doesn't seem to be present in our community (for the most part, sadly).... not sure why that is It's funny.... I tend to put a lot in "trust" when dealing with people in a business sense. I find that it gives them something that they can't mess with.......their re****tion......and therefore.....they go that extra mile to make sure that things work out fine. BUT......I guess that's why I'm not a successful business man.........I should try the lying and stealing approach.......Seems to work just fine for the promoters here.... No no no, I don't think that it is worth it in the long run. Regardless of the industry, those things, unfortunatly happened in any kind of relations (bizz, friendship, etc....) and it is always coming back to the "crooked" ones to bite them in the a$$ much faster and harder that they/we can imagine. They only problem is that we are not always around to "enjoy it".

Very true! you can't be in bussiness long term if that's how you do bussiness.... eventually the crooked ones are the ones that end up buffing your Mercedes Benz

Julie · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Dogo wrote: Of course it does man!... but for some reason it doesn't seem to be present in our community (for the most part, sadly).... not sure why that is It's funny.... I tend to put a lot in "trust" when dealing with people in a business sense. I find that it gives them something that they can't mess with.......their re****tion......and therefore.....they go that extra mile to make sure that things work out fine. BUT......I guess that's why I'm not a successful business man.........I should try the lying and stealing approach.......Seems to work just fine for the promoters here....

No no no, I don't think that it is worth it in the long run.

Regardless of the industry, those things, unfortunatly happened in any kind of relations (bizz, friendship, etc....) and it is always coming back to the "crooked" ones to bite them in the a$$ much faster and harder that they/we can imagine.

They only problem is that we are not always around to "enjoy it".

Dogo · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Dogo wrote: Of course it does man!... but for some reason it doesn't seem to be present in our community (for the most part, sadly).... not sure why that is It's funny.... I tend to put a lot in "trust" when dealing with people in a business sense. I find that it gives them something that they can't mess with.......their re****tion......and therefore.....they go that extra mile to make sure that things work out fine. BUT......I guess that's why I'm not a successful business man.........I should try the lying and stealing approach.......Seems to work just fine for the promoters here....

That is EXACTLY how I do bussiness, and rarely had a problem in almost 17 years..... but in my bussiness I don't work with our community... what does that say? I'm not sure

Bainaman · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Of course it does man!... but for some reason it doesn't seem to be present in our community (for the most part, sadly).... not sure why that is

It's funny....

I tend to put a lot in "trust" when dealing with people in a business sense.

I find that it gives them something that they can't mess with.......their re****tion......and therefore.....they go that extra mile to make sure that things work out fine.

BUT......I guess that's why I'm not a successful business man.........I should try the lying and stealing approach.......Seems to work just fine for the promoters here....

Dogo · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Dogo wrote: I was obviously joking, and you're right.... Karma my man, K.A.R.M.A!On that note, YOU have nothing to worry about Thanks! I guess that it's just really disheartening when SHIT like that happens. The idea of working together for a mutual benefit gets lost when $$$ is involved....and trust is broken. AAAHHH!!! TRUST!!!! The biggest 5 letter word in the multiuniverse (as Daeveed would say). Does it even exist anymore in business????? -- Edited by Bainaman at 21:59, 2006-05-14

Of course it does man!... but for some reason it doesn't seem to be present in our community (for the most part, sadly).... not sure why that is

Bainaman · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

I've noticed that most of the flyers that I've seen in this foro have several "celebrities" faces....
do they really pay these "important" ppl to appear in their ads, or they're just risking a big a$$ law suit????

I think that's the least of their worries.

They're trying so hard to gouge every penny from you and I....that stuff like that don't even cross their mind.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

I haven't had any bad experiences with latin promoters, but I've worked with my own race in the past and i gotta say that they've been the worse places and enviroments that I've worked on. I don't understand why ppl behave like a$$holes when they're given a little bit of power...

as per promoters I've noticed that most of the flyers that I've seen in this foro have several "celebrities" faces....

do they really pay these "important" ppl to appear in their ads, or they're just risking a big a$$ law suit????

Bainaman · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

I was obviously joking, and you're right.... Karma my man, K.A.R.M.A!On that note, YOU have nothing to worry about

Thanks!

I guess that it's just really disheartening when SHIT like that happens.

The idea of working together for a mutual benefit gets lost when $$$ is involved....and trust is broken.

AAAHHH!!!

TRUST!!!!

The biggest 5 letter word in the multiuniverse (as Daeveed would say).

Does it even exist anymore in business?????

-- Edited by Bainaman at 21:59, 2006-05-14

Dogo · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Dogo wrote: NO, well I'm not an artist... but I've heard stuff, just in general about latin promoters.... I dunno man, our community never learns to respect each other.... then they wonder why they don't have the community's support Why man? you in trouble? .... I know people that know people that break peoples legs, LOL!! No man.... I don't deal like that......people always get what they deserve ultimately.

I was obviously joking, and you're right.... Karma my man, K.A.R.M.A!
On that note, YOU have nothing to worry about

Bainaman · Foro Master

Danny416 wrote:

i guess ur trying to spark up some names eh...

Not me.

Why? You got any???

-- Edited by Bainaman at 21:55, 2006-05-14

Bainaman · Foro Master

God wrote:

Just promoters ? every time I try to give some sort of Biz to "mi gente" I get shafted....

True!

I guess that it's that type of people......the snakes, the crooked, the ones that always try to put one on you......that give everyone else a bad rep.

How sad and unfortunate.

And let's not be so prejudice......it's not only latins.......it's people in generals.....

Bainaman · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

NO, well I'm not an artist... but I've heard stuff, just in general about latin promoters.... I dunno man, our community never learns to respect each other.... then they wonder why they don't have the community's support
Why man? you in trouble? .... I know people that know people that break peoples legs, LOL!!

No man....

I don't deal like that......people always get what they deserve ultimately.

Danny416 · TOP Guru

Bainaman wrote:

Why is it that latin promoters have a bad rep in this city??? Has anyone had a first hand experience with a promoter that ripped them off???? Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a promoter??? Consider yourself lucky!!!! I guess that lying and stealing are a prerequisite for being a promoter in this city.

i guess ur trying to spark up some names eh...

God · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Why is it that latin promoters have a bad rep in this city???

Has anyone had a first hand experience with a promoter that ripped them off????

Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a promoter??? Consider yourself lucky!!!!

I guess that lying and stealing are a prerequisite for being a promoter in this city.

Just promoters ? every time I try to give some sort of Biz to "mi gente" I get shafted....

Dogo · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Why is it that latin promoters have a bad rep in this city??? Has anyone had a first hand experience with a promoter that ripped them off???? Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a promoter??? Consider yourself lucky!!!! I guess that lying and stealing are a prerequisite for being a promoter in this city.

NO, well I'm not an artist... but I've heard stuff, just in general about latin promoters.... I dunno man, our community never learns to respect each other.... then they wonder why they don't have the community's support

Why man? you in trouble? .... I know people that know people that break peoples legs, LOL!!

Bainaman · Foro Master

Why is it that latin promoters have a bad rep in this city???

Has anyone had a first hand experience with a promoter that ripped them off????

Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a promoter??? Consider yourself lucky!!!!

I guess that lying and stealing are a prerequisite for being a promoter in this city.