CROOKED LATIN PROMOTERS

LaDyBuG · Comandante

RE: CROOKED LATIN PROMOTERS

TV Buff · TOP Guru

McOSIRIS wrote:

I say.... DOGO PRESIDENTE!!!!!!!!

I actually think Dogo's trying to switch businesses, from furniture to promoting. He's getting too passionate about this subject. Things that make you go

TV Buff · TOP Guru

I think (allegedly) crooked Latin promoters are the new OJ Paleto this week. (And by that I don't mean Paleto's crooked. I mean people are picking on them.)

Bainaman · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

@ Baina....it's good that you're getting all this feedback on here....but it's not resolving your case is it?

No.

But at least it's therapeutic.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

I say....

DOGO PRESIDENTE!!!!!!!!

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

I think that simply happens because the scene is so small that it's almost a monopoly and you likely have no choice but to fall on the same people over and over, and the few "major" players (en el pais de los ciegos, el tuerto es rey) that stick to it, make a little bit of money because really nobody else would take the "latin" scene full on, as a BIG money maker.... unless someone comes around that is so good that blows all the losers out of the waterBut no one is stupid, so some promoters will make a little money now, but in a couple of years they'll be back mowing lawns for old ladies

Boy...you're just on a roll today....LOL

I don't know about the mowing lawns for old ladies though.....lol

Dogo · Comandante

LaDyBuG wrote:

YOU BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID, IT ALL MAKES SENSE....ESPECIALLY THE "BURNING YOUR BRIDGES" ONE.....BUT WITH SO MUCH HYPOCRITICAL POLITICAL BS THAT I HAVE COME ACROSS IN THIS BUSINESS EVEN THAT DOESN'T PLAY A BIG ROLE ANYMORE...BUT IT SURE CAUSES SOME UN-NECESSARY TENSION.... I THINK LIKE YOU IN THIS CASE....IF YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO (ANY JOB).....THEN DON'T DO IT....AND SPARE OTHERS OF YOUR INCOMPETENCE....THE SUPPLIER, THE CUSTOMER, THE MEDIA, YOUR PARTNERS, YOUR FRIENDS....ETC REPUTATION AND RESPECT HAVE NO PRICE TAG! (Prieto add that one to your book of LB quotes) lol

I think that simply happens because the scene is so small that it's almost a monopoly and you likely have no choice but to fall on the same people over and over, and the few "major" players (en el pais de los ciegos, el tuerto es rey) that stick to it, make a little bit of money because really nobody else would take the "latin" scene full on, as a BIG money maker.... unless someone comes around that is so good that blows all the losers out of the water
But no one is stupid, so some promoters will make a little money now, but in a couple of years they'll be back mowing lawns for old ladies

GENIE · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

I believe in building ties with people and establishing a relationship...it's the next step after networking....and over the years if a person screws up 1 or 2 times it can be discussed and resolved in a conversation....you gotta know the person's character as well..... BUT.....if you kick someone out after STRIKE 1.....what kind of a game are you playing, especially when you have known this person for MANY years and didn't just meet him ayer.....and know well of this person's good re****tion.... @ Baina....it's good that you're getting all this feedback on here....but it's not resolving your case is it?

its not and since according to "THem" this is just a foro and we are all haters its ok they dont care! But what they still havent come to understand is that the best and worst promoting is by word of mouth!!!!

Another thing hes not reveiling the name not that it will change much but at least most ppl can see not only does the public get screwed but so do the artist who are not INTERNATIONAL! Funny thing is the day our artists become INTERNATIONAL THEN they will want a piece of the pie! per say!

Baina - promoters are husslers and they will say and show u what you wanna hear however when the time comes to fork up or pay up guess what they get temporary amniesa!!

LaDyBuG · Comandante

I believe in building ties with people and establishing a relationship...it's the next step after networking....and over the years if a person screws up 1 or 2 times it can be discussed and resolved in a conversation....you gotta know the person's character as well.....

BUT.....if you kick someone out after STRIKE 1.....what kind of a game are you playing, especially when you have known this person for MANY years and didn't just meet him ayer.....and know well of this person's good re****tion....

@ Baina....it's good that you're getting all this feedback on here....but it's not resolving your case is it?

Chilenita · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: Generally speaking....every point made on this thread is valid.... but there are exceptions to many situations...."sometimes" promoters deserve the benefit of the doubt.....and this happens for 1% of them....or those with previous credibility..... I know the situation....I know where Baina is coming from....so I would rather not say anymore....I'm sure the "party" feels bad about all this already....but believe me it could have been avoided with something as simple as COMMUNICATION..... Ever hear of the phrase "perception is reality"?? If something as simple as a phone call is too much for "people" to make..... than there's only one thing that's gonna pop into my head. That "they're" running away trying to be slick... Right?? ...and no matter what.....that becomes the reality of my situation.

If this is for a show you have already done then of course you should have already been paid. Should have been taken care of and your calls or questions should have been answered by now because I bet you didn't have any problems getting a hold of these people b4 the show or whatever work it is you did for them.

Bainaman · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

Generally speaking....every point made on this thread is valid.... but there are exceptions to many situations...."sometimes" promoters deserve the benefit of the doubt.....and this happens for 1% of them....or those with previous credibility..... I know the situation....I know where Baina is coming from....so I would rather not say anymore....I'm sure the "party" feels bad about all this already....but believe me it could have been avoided with something as simple as COMMUNICATION.....

Ever hear of the phrase "perception is reality"??

If something as simple as a phone call is too much for "people" to make.....

than there's only one thing that's gonna pop into my head.

That "they're" running away trying to be slick...

Right??

...and no matter what.....that becomes the reality of my situation.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Generally speaking....every point made on this thread is valid....

but there are exceptions to many situations...."sometimes" promoters deserve the benefit of the doubt.....and this happens for 1% of them....or those with previous credibility.....

I know the situation....I know where Baina is coming from....so I would rather not say anymore....I'm sure the "party" feels bad about all this already....but believe me it could have been avoided with something as simple as COMMUNICATION.....

Bainaman · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

I'm no promoter but in my business my #1 objective is to keep the people that work for me happy... they are the ones that will save your Ass when the tough gets going, do favours and work the extra hours to get YOUR stuff done.... clients are a close second, but in the big picture they only mean a "few" more bucks... whereas your "suppliers" are EVERYTHING that your business IS.... specially in promoting (I'd imagine)

Exactly!!!

I always look out for my musicians when doing something.....

They appreciate it soo much....and conversely....they're willing to go that extra mile for me in a tight situationl.

-- Edited by Bainaman at 12:29, 2006-05-15

Chilenita · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Chilenita wrote:Oh man I totally agree!! So what like they have ZERO dollars in the bank until after an event? THat makes no sense! You'd think that'd be the smart thing to do...

You would think!

Shows you how these promoters are actually not doing very well at all. They act like they have all kinds of money but that really isn't the case

OR

even worse they have money and they make it by stealing from hard working artists....either way it's pathetic. Business men my ASS! Bunch of small time losers.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: A lot of money IS needed to back up a local show....maybe not from the get-go....but you definately need the clientel in there to pay cover so that you can pay for the band.....A few thousand dollars (less than 10) doesn’t seem like a lot of money to get a business going (I’m assuming that’s more or less the amount you mean) but that’s debatable, so nevermind………. But of course you need the customers (to make money anyway)But my point was, how do promoters get into an event if they AT LEAST don’t have enough to cover it, if everything fails?! In 99% of the cases a promoter does NOT own the venue where he works.....so he still has expenses, especially publicity ones....printing flyers, design, delivery....etc….Yes, I undestand that, as I said promoters should have all this in the bank BEFORE they get up and go…. So that nobody gets screwed… and you don’t ruin your re****tion, and most importantly you don’t “burn your bridges”You shouldn’t count on the event being a total success to back you up financially…. Promoters should gamble THEIR OWN money, NOT the artist money… THAT’S also what business is A PROMOTER PROMOTES TO GET PEOPLE IN THERE....and don't foget that it's a 24/7 job.....cell phone ringing, emails, meetings....etc… Absolutely, I appreciate that, and I’m not even going to try to argue how much HARD work it is (I see you) or what goes on behind the scenes (that’s different topic altogether) but I don’t think that that should be the artist’s concern, when it’s time to pay up Even with 200 people at a venue @ $10 each cover....might be enough to pay the LOCAL band and the DJ.....but what about the publicity and the door guy, and your street team, and the coat check person and your traveling expenses...etc..... Shouldn’t promoters be ready for this? So it's like basically working for FREE!! Unless you get a min. of 400 people in there to make PROFIT......and a good businessman ALWAYS makes profit.....that's what business is.....you're in business to make money NOT to break even JUST to "support".....(I do understand where promoters come from).... Well then, promoters that can’t promote properly, or can’t come through, or don’t take care of their people, shouldn’t be promoting (not your case) What makes things a bit harder is that in the Latin scene out of 100% regular weekend party goers.....only half of them go out on friday and not all to the same venue.....so when u have 150 per venue....@ $10 each.....you've only made $1,500 but you STILL haven't covered your expenses.....and what if you have business partners....you've literally worked and hustled all week for a few hundred bucks....

YOU BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID, IT ALL MAKES SENSE....ESPECIALLY THE "BURNING YOUR BRIDGES" ONE.....BUT WITH SO MUCH HYPOCRITICAL POLITICAL BS THAT I HAVE COME ACROSS IN THIS BUSINESS EVEN THAT DOESN'T PLAY A BIG ROLE ANYMORE...BUT IT SURE CAUSES SOME UN-NECESSARY TENSION....

I THINK LIKE YOU IN THIS CASE....IF YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO (ANY JOB).....THEN DON'T DO IT....AND SPARE OTHERS OF YOUR INCOMPETENCE....THE SUPPLIER, THE CUSTOMER, THE MEDIA, YOUR PARTNERS, YOUR FRIENDS....ETC

REPUTATION AND RESPECT HAVE NO PRICE TAG! (Prieto add that one to your book of LB quotes) lol

TV Buff · TOP Guru

El Duro wrote:

So did u win

Like I said, we settled and got what we thought was fair. Not 100% though. We would've had to have a full trial for that, and there was always the chance of losing and getting nothing after all the trouble. But we were happy with what we got.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:
Oh man I totally agree!! So what like they have ZERO dollars in the bank until after an event? THat makes no sense!

You'd think that'd be the smart thing to do...

Chilenita · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

Yes, I undestand that, as I said promoters should have all this in the bank BEFORE they get up and go…. So that nobody gets screwed… and you don’t ruin your re****tion, and most importantly you don’t “burn your bridges”You shouldn’t count on the event being a total success to back you up financially….

Oh man I totally agree!!

So what like they have ZERO dollars in the bank until after an event? THat makes no sense!

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

your "suppliers" are EVERYTHING that your business IS....

Amen brotha.

Bainaman · Foro Master

TV Buff wrote:

I went through Small Claims a couple of years ago, suing an airline company. We went to the pre-trial and settled there. I'd advise anyone who's thinking of suing to PREPARE, PREPARE, PREPARE. I had all my papers (I'm very methodical that way) and we did have a good case (and even lawyers told us not to bother). We spent I think 50 bucks filing the papers and had to go to Mississauga for the pre-trial, but it was worth it.

Cool!

I'll ask you about it.

Thanks!

Chilenita · Comandante

DJ PRIETO wrote:

@Bainaman: Why did this question come up? Do you something I don't? There has to be a point of origen brother, porque? Just asking is all. Thanks

Hummm we all know Baina has done some shows in recent weeks.....so it must be one of those promoters...hummmmmmmmmm..........

El Duro · Foro Master

TV Buff wrote:

Bainaman wrote: Ontario Small Claims Court The Small Claims Court of Ontario is for claims between $1.00 and $10,000.00. It is the least expensive process and in most cases, the parties can represent themselves. The only steps in the Small Claims Court are: the exchange of the Statement of Claim (called the Plaintiff's Claim) and the Defence. The Court requires the parties to include in their Claim and Defence all documents that they intend to rely on at trial to prove their claim. Accordingly, the parties do not exchange Affidavits of Documents, do not attend a Mandatory Mediation, or attend Examinations for Discovery. The parties are required to attend a pre-trial in front of a Judge who will attempt to achieve a settlement. The opinions and suggestions of a Judge are not binding on the parties; however, it goes without saying that the opinion of the Judge should be given serious consideration in determining whether to continue or resolve the claim. The trial process in Ontario's Small Claims Court is short and a trial can last anywhere from half an hour to a full day. It is rare for a Small Claims Court trial to take more than a full day. For further information about the Small Claims Court, visit: http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/scc/ I went through Small Claims a couple of years ago, suing an airline company. We went to the pre-trial and settled there. I'd advise anyone who's thinking of suing to PREPARE, PREPARE, PREPARE. I had all my papers (I'm very methodical that way) and we did have a good case (and even lawyers told us not to bother). We spent I think 50 bucks filing the papers and had to go to Mississauga for the pre-trial, but it was worth it.

So did u win

Dogo · Comandante

LaDyBuG wrote:

A lot of money IS needed to back up a local show....maybe not from the get-go....but you definately need the clientel in there to pay cover so that you can pay for the band.....
A few thousand dollars (less than 10) doesn’t seem like a lot of money to get a business going (I’m assuming that’s more or less the amount you mean) but that’s debatable, so nevermind………. But of course you need the customers (to make money anyway)
But my point was, how do promoters get into an event if they AT LEAST don’t have enough to cover it, if everything fails?!

In 99% of the cases a promoter does NOT own the venue where he works.....so he still has expenses, especially publicity ones....printing flyers, design, delivery....etc….Yes, I undestand that, as I said promoters should have all this in the bank BEFORE they get up and go…. So that nobody gets screwed… and you don’t ruin your re****tion, and most importantly you don’t “burn your bridges”
You shouldn’t count on the event being a total success to back you up financially…. Promoters should gamble THEIR OWN money, NOT the artist money… THAT’S also what business is

A PROMOTER PROMOTES TO GET PEOPLE IN THERE....and don't foget that it's a 24/7 job.....cell phone ringing, emails, meetings....etc… Absolutely, I appreciate that, and I’m not even going to try to argue how much HARD work it is (I see you) or what goes on behind the scenes (that’s different topic altogether) but I don’t think that that should be the artist’s concern, when it’s time to pay up

Even with 200 people at a venue @ $10 each cover....might be enough to pay the LOCAL band and the DJ.....but what about the publicity and the door guy, and your street team, and the coat check person and your traveling expenses...etc..... Shouldn’t promoters be ready for this?

So it's like basically working for FREE!! Unless you get a min. of 400 people in there to make PROFIT......and a good businessman ALWAYS makes profit.....that's what business is.....you're in business to make money NOT to break even JUST to "support".....(I do understand where promoters come from).... Well then, promoters that can’t promote properly, or can’t come through, or don’t take care of their people, shouldn’t be promoting (not your case)

What makes things a bit harder is that in the Latin scene out of 100% regular weekend party goers.....only half of them go out on friday and not all to the same venue.....so when u have 150 per venue....@ $10 each.....you've only made $1,500 but you STILL haven't covered your expenses.....and what if you have business partners....you've literally worked and hustled all week for a few hundred bucks....

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Bainaman wrote:

Ontario Small Claims Court The Small Claims Court of Ontario is for claims between $1.00 and $10,000.00. It is the least expensive process and in most cases, the parties can represent themselves. The only steps in the Small Claims Court are: the exchange of the Statement of Claim (called the Plaintiff's Claim) and the Defence. The Court requires the parties to include in their Claim and Defence all documents that they intend to rely on at trial to prove their claim. Accordingly, the parties do not exchange Affidavits of Documents, do not attend a Mandatory Mediation, or attend Examinations for Discovery. The parties are required to attend a pre-trial in front of a Judge who will attempt to achieve a settlement. The opinions and suggestions of a Judge are not binding on the parties; however, it goes without saying that the opinion of the Judge should be given serious consideration in determining whether to continue or resolve the claim. The trial process in Ontario's Small Claims Court is short and a trial can last anywhere from half an hour to a full day. It is rare for a Small Claims Court trial to take more than a full day. For further information about the Small Claims Court, visit: http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/scc/

I went through Small Claims a couple of years ago, suing an airline company. We went to the pre-trial and settled there. I'd advise anyone who's thinking of suing to PREPARE, PREPARE, PREPARE. I had all my papers (I'm very methodical that way) and we did have a good case (and even lawyers told us not to bother). We spent I think 50 bucks filing the papers and had to go to Mississauga for the pre-trial, but it was worth it.

El Duro · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

DJ PRIETO wrote: @Bainaman: Why did this question come up? Do you something I don't? There has to be a point of origen brother, porque? Just asking is all. Thanks Yeah man! I'm suing you for not buying me a drink this Friday when you said you would!!! LOL Kiddin' man....

Bainaman · Foro Master

DJ PRIETO wrote:

@Bainaman: Why did this question come up? Do you something I don't? There has to be a point of origen brother, porque?
Just asking is all.
Thanks

Yeah man!

I'm suing you for not buying me a drink this Friday when you said you would!!!

LOL

Kiddin' man....

DJ PRIETO · Guru

@Bainaman: Why did this question come up? Do you something I don't? There has to be a point of origen brother, porque?

Just asking is all.

Thanks

Bainaman · Foro Master

Ontario Small Claims Court

The Small Claims Court of Ontario is for claims between $1.00 and $10,000.00. It is the least expensive process and in most cases, the parties can represent themselves.

The only steps in the Small Claims Court are: the exchange of the Statement of Claim (called the Plaintiff's Claim) and the Defence. The Court requires the parties to include in their Claim and Defence all documents that they intend to rely on at trial to prove their claim. Accordingly, the parties do not exchange Affidavits of Documents, do not attend a Mandatory Mediation, or attend Examinations for Discovery.

The parties are required to attend a pre-trial in front of a Judge who will attempt to achieve a settlement. The opinions and suggestions of a Judge are not binding on the parties; however, it goes without saying that the opinion of the Judge should be given serious consideration in determining whether to continue or resolve the claim.

The trial process in Ontario's Small Claims Court is short and a trial can last anywhere from half an hour to a full day. It is rare for a Small Claims Court trial to take more than a full day.

For further information about the Small Claims Court, visit: http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/scc/

LaDyBuG · Comandante

bistor wrote:

My guess would be there's much more money involved in bringing an international group here. And whereas retaining a lawyer for a 5000 dollar gig is probably pointless, retaining one for a 150 000 dollar one, isn't.-- Edited by bistor at 11:40, 2006-05-15

Good point and probably very true!

I just thought that RESPECT in any business was international.

bistor · Guru

LaDyBuG wrote:

bistor wrote:
Lawyer's fees, at a cool 200 an hour minimum, I'm guessing will likely outweigh the value of the majority of these contracts... Could always try small claims court though.

You took the words right out of my mouth!
I was gonna say... that's exactly why most contracts are NOT respected....because one party thinks that the other party will not spend the $$ on the lawsuit.....so they take advantage of this....
BUT....what makes me go hmmmmm.....is WHY do promoters respect international acts more, kiss their Azzzz, make sure the money is paid on time, promote for them like crazy months in advance, take care of their drinks, food...etc...etc....all for a 45 mins show...is it because they draw in more people, who will spend more money to see them due to their popularity? hence, they hustle more.....
Ever heard of a local promoter suing an international act or vice-versa? (other than visa issues) ...or even the local promoter screwing the international act over? (other than poor sound)

My guess would be there's much more money involved in bringing an international group here. And whereas retaining a lawyer for a 5000 dollar gig is probably pointless, retaining one for a 150 000 dollar one, isn't.

-- Edited by bistor at 11:40, 2006-05-15

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

Bainaman wrote: Chilenita wrote: I should start a poll with all local promoters on it.....ask people who they think is the best at stealing money!! I just need a few people to pm the names of like more than 5 promoters cuz I only know like 5 these days....I am from back in the Carlos Zapata days...yeah I am old so what! @Ladybug....yeah well I am not too shocked about the Moet thing. Someone who comes on a public forum talking like a ghetto teen can't be all that professional to work with.

I actually think MOET is a great promoter.....whether for self-promotion or gaining a rep.....everyone knows of him....and even if 90% of the people don't like him or won't do business with him becuase of the bad rep he has built over the years, they still try to remain in his "good books".....

Ohh I forgot to mention...in this business you need to know 1 or 2 things about "hypocrasy" LOL

Moet's mouth gets him into trouble sometimes and his approach to things, but he is NOT a bad person overall....

Bainaman · Foro Master

bistor wrote:

I understand... I'm sure it sucks. But it could become a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Small claims is just as legal, but much cheaper... the only thing at stake is your time. The judge's decision is just as binding.

I'll look into it.

Thanks.

My nose is cute....but I can do without it.

bistor · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

bistor wrote:

Lawyer's fees, at a cool 200 an hour minimum, I'm guessing will likely outweigh the value of the majority of these contracts...

Could always try small claims court though.

True!

But you know what.......It gets to the point where it's about the principal.

"They" know that it doesn't make sense to sue for the reasons you pointed out......so "they" take advantage of that.......

But like LB said.......as soon as more of "them" start to get sued.....they'll learn pretty quickly.

I understand... I'm sure it sucks. But it could become a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Small claims is just as legal, but much cheaper... the only thing at stake is your time. The judge's decision is just as binding.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

bistor wrote:

Lawyer's fees, at a cool 200 an hour minimum, I'm guessing will likely outweigh the value of the majority of these contracts... Could always try small claims court though.

You took the words right out of my mouth!

I was gonna say... that's exactly why most contracts are NOT respected....because one party thinks that the other party will not spend the $$ on the lawsuit.....so they take advantage of this....

BUT....what makes me go hmmmmm.....is WHY do promoters respect international acts more, kiss their Azzzz, make sure the money is paid on time, promote for them like crazy months in advance, take care of their drinks, food...etc...etc....all for a 45 mins show...is it because they draw in more people, who will spend more money to see them due to their popularity? hence, they hustle more.....

Ever heard of a local promoter suing an international act or vice-versa? (other than visa issues) ...or even the local promoter screwing the international act over? (other than poor sound)

Bainaman · Foro Master

bistor wrote:

Lawyer's fees, at a cool 200 an hour minimum, I'm guessing will likely outweigh the value of the majority of these contracts...

Could always try small claims court though.

True!

But you know what.......It gets to the point where it's about the principal.

"They" know that it doesn't make sense to sue for the reasons you pointed out......so "they" take advantage of that.......

But like LB said.......as soon as more of "them" start to get sued.....they'll learn pretty quickly.

Chilenita · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Chilenita wrote: I should start a poll with all local promoters on it.....ask people who they think is the best at stealing money!!

I just need a few people to pm the names of like more than 5 promoters cuz I only know like 5 these days....I am from back in the Carlos Zapata days...yeah I am old so what!

@Ladybug....yeah well I am not too shocked about the Moet thing. Someone who comes on a public forum talking like a ghetto teen can't be all that professional to work with.

bistor · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote:

If more promoters got sued for Breech of Contract.....others would get the point....
I have also learned that it's good to have some "muscle" back you up....LOL

Great Ideas!!!

I'm gonna look into these!

Lawyer's fees, at a cool 200 an hour minimum, I'm guessing will likely outweigh the value of the majority of these contracts...

Could always try small claims court though.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

I can help with the muscle Baina!
How about some Hells Angels?
I am soooooooooo not kidding.

I keep that in mind.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

I should start a poll with all local promoters on it.....ask people who they think is the best at stealing money!!

I know that MOET has built a rep as a "crooked promoter"....not one person is ever satisified working with him.....and I know he can't deny this....LOL

Chilenita · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: If more promoters got sued for Breech of Contract.....others would get the point.... I have also learned that it's good to have some "muscle" back you up....LOL Great Ideas!!! I'm gonna look into these!

I can help with the muscle Baina!

How about some Hells Angels?

I am soooooooooo not kidding.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

I should start a poll with all local promoters on it.....ask people who they think is the best at stealing money!!

Chilenita · Comandante

I should start a poll with all local promoters on it.....ask people who they think is the best at stealing money!!

Bainaman · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

If more promoters got sued for Breech of Contract.....others would get the point....
I have also learned that it's good to have some "muscle" back you up....LOL

Great Ideas!!!

I'm gonna look into these!

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: From experience I have noticed that "promoters" or people hosting an event EXPECT you to understand their side of the story begging for understanding and forgiveness for delays or money issues but they don't understand yours or respect the agreement (why sign it if you are not gonna respect it :weirdface I know!…That’s nonsense!! How does your wrong doing in your business have anything to do with mine!?!?!And for what I understand local artists “make” very little money (if any at all) so I don’t think that a lot of money is needed to back up a local show….If you don’t have a couple of thousand dollars to back up a local event then what kind of promoter would you be?!?!…you’d just be a nobody trying to be a hotshot Specially in this trade, in Toronto, where I assume is very small and pretty tight, how does anyone NOT expect “word” to go around?!!! People like this are digging their own hole, they’ll be out of business in no time, and the trade itself will take care of them If you’ve got no honor in business, you simply won’t be in one… by your own doing

A lot of money IS needed to back up a local show....maybe not from the get-go....but you definately need the clientel in there to pay cover so that you can pay for the band.....

In 99% of the cases a promoter does NOT own the venue where he works.....so he still has expenses, especially publicity ones....printing flyers, design, delivery....etc

A PROMOTER PROMOTES TO GET PEOPLE IN THERE....and don't foget that it's a 24/7 job.....cell phone ringing, emails, meetings....etc

Even with 200 people at a venue @ $10 each cover....might be enough to pay the LOCAL band and the DJ.....but what about the publicity and the door guy, and your street team, and the coat check person and your traveling expenses...etc.....

So it's like basically working for FREE!! Unless you get a min. of 400 people in there to make PROFIT......and a good businessman ALWAYS makes profit.....that's what business is.....you're in business to make money NOT to break even JUST to "support".....(I do understand where promoters come from)....

What makes things a bit harder is that in the Latin scene out of 100% regular weekend party goers.....only half of them go out on friday and not all to the same venue.....so when u have 150 per venue....@ $10 each.....you've only made $1,500 but you STILL haven't covered your expenses.....and what if you have business partners....you've literally worked and hustled all week for a few hundred bucks....

Like Prieto said...it is not an easy business....AT ALL....you either love it or leave it.....

If you ask me......it's all about HOSPITALITY & POPULARITY.....and making sure your clients come back and SPEND......

I can go on and on about this topic.....

If more promoters got sued for Breech of Contract.....others would get the point....

I have also learned that it's good to have some "muscle" back you up....LOL

Chilenita · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Chilenita wrote: dead silence You talking about me??? You know I can't do that. My thread was to see what experiences other people have had with such promoters......I'm sure people can assume or figure things out for themselves........

NO you wacko of course I don't mean you!!!

I mean "them" you know..."them"

GENIE · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Chilenita wrote: dead silence You talking about me??? You know I can't do that. My thread was to see what experiences other people have had with such promoters......I'm sure people can assume or figure things out for themselves........

yep!!! Sad but these promoters always let ppl down!!! just read the threads and you will know!!!!

Dogo · Comandante

DJ PRIETO wrote:

Overall, the way I look at it is IF YOU ARE GOING TO PROMOTE A CONCERT/EVENT/NIGHT CLUB etc.. YOU'RE #1 OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE TO SATISFY THE PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT DISSAPOINTED IN THE END.

I'm no promoter but in my business my #1 objective is to keep the people that work for me happy... they are the ones that will save your Ass when the tough gets going, do favours and work the extra hours to get YOUR stuff done.... clients are a close second, but in the big picture they only mean a "few" more bucks... whereas your "suppliers" are EVERYTHING that your business IS.... specially in promoting (I'd imagine)

Bainaman · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

dead silence

You talking about me???

You know I can't do that.

My thread was to see what experiences other people have had with such promoters......I'm sure people can assume or figure things out for themselves........

Dogo · Comandante

LaDyBuG wrote:

From experience I have noticed that "promoters" or people hosting an event EXPECT you to understand their side of the story begging for understanding and forgiveness for delays or money issues but they don't understand yours or respect the agreement (why sign it if you are not gonna respect it :weirdface

I know!…That’s nonsense!! How does your wrong doing in your business have anything to do with mine!?!?!
And for what I understand local artists “make” very little money (if any at all) so I don’t think that a lot of money is needed to back up a local show….
If you don’t have a couple of thousand dollars to back up a local event then what kind of promoter would you be?!?!…you’d just be a nobody trying to be a hotshot
Specially in this trade, in Toronto, where I assume is very small and pretty tight, how does anyone NOT expect “word” to go around?!!!

People like this are digging their own hole, they’ll be out of business in no time, and the trade itself will take care of them

If you’ve got no honor in business, you simply won’t be in one… by your own doing

DJ PRIETO · Guru

As a new promoter in the latin scene, all of comments are very valuable to me because I'am striving for my promtional company Muevelo Ent. to reach new levels and help out the latin community. I know I'm a rookie when it comes to Promoting but having worked with many Promotional companies through the years dj'en for them, I must say that I have learned quite a bit. Promoting is actually not as easy as many think, TRUST ME on this one. You encounter many challenges and have to find ways in which you can overcome many obstacles. I have seen others promise many things and have ended up dissapointing the public.

A promoter faces many challenges when they work and sometimes they do not meet their own standards, resulting in a negative outcome. I for one are trying my best not to end up like that but it is very hard because there are many things to consider. I promote a club, therefore one has to work together with managment and owner for things to run smoothly and work out for everyone to have a successful VENUE. These and other valid points are what makes a promoters job a little difficult but this is NO excuse to dissapoint the public. If you can't handle PRESSURE then you are in the wrong business, someone said this to me even before I considered promoting.

Overall, the way I look at it is IF YOU ARE GOING TO PROMOTE A CONCERT/EVENT/NIGHT CLUB etc.. YOU'RE #1 OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE TO SATISFY THE PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT DISSAPOINTED IN THE END.

I know I face many challenges my way and I'm ready to meet them. Also besides promoting I have started my own WEB SITE www.muevelolive.com to assist me with my promotional plans. I know that the web site is a totally different subject all together but I think it is essential to have when you are a promoter.

I have much RESPECT for all the promoters in T.O let's face it without them many of the concerts, events and night clubs would not have happened if they did not exist.

I for one WILL TRY MY VERY BEST to not dissapoint the public and promise them something I can't deliver. Through networking I'am meeting the right contacts, making the right connections, making the right moves and with the right guidance the sky is the limit. I look forward to my challanges ahead.

For the record LadyBug is 100% right when she says:

"To be a good Promoter you must have the heart of a Gambler and the mind of a Computer" Thanks for evrything LB

Dj PrietO

MUEVELO ENT.