LEADER vs FOLLOWER

miguel · TOP Guru

RE: LEADER vs FOLLOWER

Bainaman · Foro Master

miguel wrote:

i think professionally, if you have people working from them you are forced to be the leader (that's why you're in that position). but it's always important to recognize when there are people around you you can learn from, and actually learn from them, being a leader does not imply not being a listener.

Your points are those of a GOOD LEADER....as opposed to one that is self-serving and stubborn. A good leader will listen, will take all things into consideration, etc.....and put people in situations were they can best succeed.

miguel · TOP Guru

i think professionally, if you have people working from them you are forced to be the leader (that's why you're in that position). but it's always important to recognize when there are people around you you can learn from, and actually learn from them, being a leader does not imply not being a listener.

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
LaDyBuG wrote: EX: DAEVEED IS A LEADER...(in my opinion)

Thanks...
I don't want any Aliens brought to me please.

Just like you said Baina, I think I belong to those who were put in a situation where they HAD TO lead (me coming to Canada by myself).
I also think being the older brother, and actually caring about the influence you make on your younger sibling makes you a leader intrinsically.
To answer Zapato's question, I think a leader is made of many different characteristics, and I seriously believe that being CRITICAL OF EVERYTHING is a fundamental one to create your own path. By "critical" I don't mean going around b!tching at everything, but to take everything and process it, and reach to an OWN OPINION....and be nice to people.

Do leaders respond to threads 3 months later?

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: EX: DAEVEED IS A LEADER...(in my opinion)

Thanks...

I don't want any Aliens brought to me please.

Just like you said Baina, I think I belong to those who were put in a situation where they HAD TO lead (me coming to Canada by myself).

I also think being the older brother, and actually caring about the influence you make on your younger sibling makes you a leader intrinsically.

To answer Zapato's question, I think a leader is made of many different characteristics, and I seriously believe that being CRITICAL OF EVERYTHING is a fundamental one to create your own path. By "critical" I don't mean going around b!tching at everything, but to take everything and process it, and reach to an OWN OPINION....and be nice to people.

Julie · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: EX: DAEVEED IS A LEADER...(in my opinion) I think this is definately proven today. ....and the rest that started polls.......FOLLOWERS!!!!

I am F@cking bored :althoughIhavetonesofworktodo: can't you tell, I am over the 8000 post

Lahtina · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: EX: DAEVEED IS A LEADER...(in my opinion) I think this is definately proven today. ....and the rest that started polls.......FOLLOWERS!!!!

I have never claimed otherwise so SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE meeeeeeeeeeeee, you winner of Julie's stupid f@cker poll.

Bainaman · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

EX: DAEVEED IS A LEADER...(in my opinion)

I think this is definately proven today.

....and the rest that started polls.......FOLLOWERS!!!!

GENIE · Foro Master

I guess to each there own on what you consider a follower or a leader!

Im inbetween still working for the man 9-5 and have two business ventures running at the same time! also one of the business ventures my cleaning company has been a push from orale its our joint baby! the other one is soley my own and i know i will succeed! So im mean i do believe i am a follower at times when ppl say lets go here or do this sure why not! as for ideas nope i have my own.

Miel · Guru

I think a leader would be the person who beleives on his/her ideas and work hard until they become reality,. even if they fall .they stand up and keep trying,. They follow their own thoughts, fellings and beliefs,. It s not what is IN, it is what they like,..

A follower would be the person who doesn't trust on his/herself,. it s always trying to go on the path that is already there,. the easiest or safest way to get where everyone else is,..

This is in every aspect of life,. work,.personal life,.etc,..

It is true that at work u have to do what ur boss wants,. but i think even there u can see if a person is a leader or a follower,. because even when is something already established to get ur work done,. if u r a leader ur gonna find a way of improving that ,. on the other hand a follower will be in the same methodology until he/she gets retire,..

-- Edited by Miel at 10:59, 2006-04-11

Marky Mark · Foro Master

I like the clean lines of Ikea, and yes, a lot of the stuff is built for style not comfort, hell, I even like assembling the stuff (until i get pissed off and want to throw the sh*t out the window). anyway, what were we talking about oh gracious leader?

ZIPOTE · TOP Guru

TV Buff wrote:

Please do say ... una explicacion mas SIMPLE! You two make me feel like such a voyeur (voyeusse???). But do go on. Don't let me interrupt.

Get a chair from IKEA ...and 42 inch TV from Leons ....

What do you want to drink !!!

Julie · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

I never went through an Ikea phase. I went from "can I have that chair if you're not using it?" to Leon's. I find Ikea furniture so uncomfortable, more for yuppies; plus they make you put it together yourself! The nerve! I shop for comfort.

I don't knowabout seating but i can tell you that the closet are very practicle. I did not have another choice than IKEA because budget was tinnyyyyyyyyyy and this was the most affordable.

And I have to admit that I usually like expensive furniture, mostly because of the style (Art Deco, Antiques, Cottage :notsureifitistherightword:, Contemporain, Asian.....) and you can't find good pieces anywehere.

Dogo · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

Dogo wrote: At the same time, the younger generations -for the most part- can't tell the difference between great craftmanship and Ikea... or don't care.... So I really don't know where this trade will be heading Not trying to insult you man, but your house is FILLED with Ikea.. QEF!! (copyright Lahtina)

hahahaha!!! fakka!!!
True! but not the furniture!... and even then, it's hard for me to even afford my OWN stuff, not to mention it's almost impossible to afford investing time into my own pieces
And nothing wrong with Ikea, I actually love it, it's not bad value for your buck, specially if you tend to be slightly trendy at home, it's a great compromise
I'm just saying it's not great quality, but you get what you pay for, nothing wrong with that

X4v13r · Comandante

LaDyBuG wrote:

"walking alone" makes a good leader.....
EX: Xavier is a follower....he follows Ladybug....LOL....

Well, to answer ur question, I'm not a follower, but i do like to accommodate people, i have never given into peer pressure and trust me I've had a lot of it.

X@vier

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

ZIPOTE wrote:

Colombiana4Life wrote: WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR SELF HONESTLY ? I dont necessarily consider myself a leader per se. But I dont see the point of being the total opposite of what you are. If people are gonna accept you, they should accept the real you, with faults and all. Please do say ... una explicacion mas SIMPLE!

How much more simpler can it get

TV Buff · TOP Guru

ZIPOTE wrote:

Colombiana4Life wrote: WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR SELF HONESTLY ? I dont necessarily consider myself a leader per se. But I dont see the point of being the total opposite of what you are. If people are gonna accept you, they should accept the real you, with faults and all. Please do say ... una explicacion mas SIMPLE!

You two make me feel like such a voyeur (voyeusse???).

But do go on. Don't let me interrupt.

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Julie wrote:

IKEA is great when budget is low and you're starting but after that, you will surelly little by little take another path. That being said, I can't wait to get ride of my IKEA furniture and go for something real !!!!!! I hope that will happen soon.

I never went through an Ikea phase. I went from "can I have that chair if you're not using it?" to Leon's. I find Ikea furniture so uncomfortable, more for yuppies; plus they make you put it together yourself! The nerve! I shop for comfort.

ZIPOTE · TOP Guru

Colombiana4Life wrote:

WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR SELF HONESTLY ?:weirdface: I dont necessarily consider myself a leader per se. But I dont see the point of being the total opposite of what you are. If people are gonna accept you, they should accept the real you, with faults and all.

Please do say ... una explicacion mas SIMPLE!

Jaime Cruz · Foro Master

I'm usually not a follower, but there are times I have been due to work. There are times you have to go with the flow on things even you don't agree about to keep your job or make the boss happy. Socially though I am not a follower and I have never given into peer pressure.

Julie · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

That can be said of anything that's produced en masse. But I believe there are cycles. Sometimes people want to buy what everyone has (Ikea, et al) and sometimes people will pay to be different. We're probably going throught he Ikea cycle right now. It's scary to think the younger gen is not learning craftsmanship, being for furniture or for anything. I think that'll be a really profitable skill to have downt he road, but it's probably all in the marketing, no? Or maybe not. What do I know? I'm a follower!

Cycles it is ! I've know IKEA forever and I can tell you that I am surprised it is just "booming" here now but it won't last, well I hope. Because thereis much more ut there than IKEA.

Plus I think that once you reach a certain time in you're life, IKEA, well "bien gracias" you want something more. IKEA is great when budget is low and you're starting but after that, you will surelly little by little take another path.

That being said, I can't wait to get ride of my IKEA furniture and go for something real !!!!!! I hope that will happen soon.

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

ZIPOTE wrote:

Colombiana4Life wrote: Im not even gonna ask about me. LOL. But seriously, I can see what you`re saying about this leader/follower thing. A follower quality that I find in quite a bit of people is the "I need everyone to like me" quality. They will put good face in front of everyone solo por quedar bien. But eventually true colours do come out. No one is saying you need to go around airing out your dirty laundry pero tampoco to the extreme of being sinico/sinica OOOOOOOOOk so let me ask you this ...WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR SELF HONESTLY ?

I dont necessarily consider myself a leader per se. But I dont see the point of being the total opposite of what you are. If people are gonna accept you, they should accept the real you, with faults and all.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

ZIPOTE wrote:

@ Bainaman it is true but like Julie said we need a kick or a push sometimes. @Lady Bug ...Thank you !!!!!

Yes...true....but only to activate "the plan"......LEADERS don't need the push or shove....LOL.....that's what makes them leaders.....you lead when no one is pushing you to.....otherwise it would make you a follower.....nintendo?

ZIPOTE · TOP Guru

LaDyBuG wrote:

Bainaman wrote: I think everyone has the potential to be leaders. I disagree! One of the qualities a leader must have is GUTS and not everyone has this due to fear of rejection, fear of not being liked or understood, fear of succeeding....etc.....the second quality is CONFIDENCE (seguro de ti mismo)....when you have this and you don't care what people will say, do or react when you come up with something....this makes you a true Leader! @ Zapato....now you know some of it.....lol

@ Bainaman it is true but like Julie said we need a kick or a push sometimes.

@Lady Bug ...Thank you !!!!!

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Marky Mark wrote:

Let me throw this at you all... is there anything WRONG with being a follower? What if that's your lot in life? If you believe in past lives, then maybe the followers of today were actually great leaders in the past and vice versa? We're all just completing a circle here. Ok, back to work, but I'm enjoying this thread... I'm such a follower

I agree with you 100%. Sometimes I think that even if I had the qualifications for it, I wouldn't want to be a leader, 'cause it's probably so exhausting, people are so ungrateful and if you Fuck up, people will have only YOU to blame you for it. So it's better to just sit back, relax and let someone else get in trouble. Oh, and laugh at them.

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Dogo wrote:

High end upholstery. I'm likely the youngest out of a handfull of shops left in the cityYoung people aren't learning it, and the existing ones are all retiring.... ...and Toronto is not even that bad (by comparison) we actually ship all the way to Vancouver because they don't have people to do it there... crazy!At the same time, the younger generations -for the most part- can't tell the difference between great craftmanship and Ikea... or don't care.... So I really don't know where this trade will be heading

That can be said of anything that's produced en masse. But I believe there are cycles. Sometimes people want to buy what everyone has (Ikea, et al) and sometimes people will pay to be different. We're probably going throught he Ikea cycle right now. It's scary to think the younger gen is not learning craftsmanship, being for furniture or for anything. I think that'll be a really profitable skill to have downt he road, but it's probably all in the marketing, no? Or maybe not. What do I know? I'm a follower!

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

I think everyone has the potential to be leaders.

I disagree!

One of the qualities a leader must have is GUTS and not everyone has this due to fear of rejection, fear of not being liked or understood, fear of succeeding....etc.....the second quality is CONFIDENCE (seguro de ti mismo)....when you have this and you don't care what people will say, do or react when you come up with something....this makes you a true Leader!

@ Zapato....now you know some of it.....lol

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

At the same time, the younger generations -for the most part- can't tell the difference between great craftmanship and Ikea... or don't care.... So I really don't know where this trade will be heading

Not trying to insult you man, but your house is FILLED with Ikea.. QEF!! (copyright Lahtina)

Julie · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

High end upholstery. I'm likely the youngest out of a handfull of shops left in the cityYoung people aren't learning it, and the existing ones are all retiring.... ...and Toronto is not even that bad (by comparison) we actually ship all the way to Vancouver because they don't have people to do it there... crazy!At the same time, the younger generations -for the most part- can't tell the difference between great craftmanship and Ikea... or don't care.... So I really don't know where this trade will be heading

Well I think that pple are still appreciating it but many never got a chance to get close to it and have a chance to "compare" (can't find the word I want to use) "great craftmanship and Ikea" as you mentioned.

I am hoping that by getting more pple from Europe, that usually know about it, because of the heritage, the art will be "re-discovered" and given un segundo aire. Does all those new shows of decoration and more are helping ?

LaDyBuG · Comandante

@ MARK

There is NOTHING wrong with being a follower actually....except when the "copycat" the person following you and only you, copies everything you are doing, taking a bit of your creative originality away.....

Then there are the Leaders who should not be leading....like Hitler for example....lol

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Dogo wrote:
High end upholstery. I'm likely the youngest out of a handfull of shops left in the cityYoung people aren't learning it, and the existing ones are all retiring.... ...and Toronto is not even that bad (by comparison) we actually ship all the way to Vancouver because they don't have people to do it there... crazy!At the same time, the younger generations -for the most part- can't tell the difference between great craftmanship and Ikea... or don't care.... So I really don't know where this trade will be heading

Europe? Dubai?

Marky Mark · Foro Master

TV Buff wrote:

Marky Mark wrote:

I think you're wrong in that one: working for someone has nothing to do with being a leader or a follower. Even if you have your own biz, you still work for your customers. In fact, if I have it correctly, in business the customer is king, isn't it? Sometimes you have to aim at completely satisfying the customer, even if it means losing a little integrity, no?
Anyway, I still believe some people are leaders even if they are part of the work force. You just have to show up late, not do any work (i.e. be on Foro all day) and get fired a lot.

I think you misread my post or i wasn't clear, I was using contradiction as an example.

Let me throw this at you all... is there anything WRONG with being a follower? What if that's your lot in life? If you believe in past lives, then maybe the followers of today were actually great leaders in the past and vice versa? We're all just completing a circle here.

Ok, back to work, but I'm enjoying this thread... I'm such a follower

Bainaman · Foro Master

I think everyone has the potential to be leaders.

There are so many aspects to this....

Sometimes people out of necessity...are thrust into situations where they HAVE TO lead.....and after....realize that they have the capability to do so.....where otherwise....they would have never known......

Also...

More specifically....I think people are best suited to lead at things that they KNOW!!! Like fully know.......

I'm not necessarily a leader when it comes so social life........I've been called a snob, antisocial, etc........But when it comes to music.....the performance aspect of it......I would always find myself in situations that called for immidiate action....on stage.....and I would just do it.....like it came naturally......because I KNEW exactly what to do............I don't know if that makes sence.....but oh well.......it's not like I'm leading anyone here!

Dogo · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: Y QUE VAS A HACER CUANDO SE MUERA EL TRADE? LOL Pues enterrarlo, que mas? @ Dogo: what's your dying trade? Are you like trading fur or building wood cabins? As for the question, I like to pride myself of being a leader... but nobody ever follows!!! So, como dice GreenDay, I walk alone.

High end upholstery. I'm likely the youngest out of a handfull of shops left in the city
Young people aren't learning it, and the existing ones are all retiring....
...and Toronto is not even that bad (by comparison) we actually ship all the way to Vancouver because they don't have people to do it there... crazy!
At the same time, the younger generations -for the most part- can't tell the difference between great craftmanship and Ikea... or don't care.... So I really don't know where this trade will be heading

LaDyBuG · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: TV Buff wrote: at my wedding I didn't have any bridesmaids, because if I'd had any, there would've been no guests. Because you were sooo close with all the female members For someone as private as you I find this weird...that you would trust soooo many females to be your bridesmaids..... LB, you're so used to RBTLing now that you don't actually READ THE LINES. I said I didn't have any. Even at my wedding, I walked alone.

I know....I read correctly.....you said you didn't have any becuase otherwise you would have no guests....

meaning....all you guests would have been your bridesmaids....no?

ZIPOTE · TOP Guru

Colombiana4Life wrote:

Im not even gonna ask about me. LOL. But seriously, I can see what you`re saying about this leader/follower thing. A follower quality that I find in quite a bit of people is the "I need everyone to like me" quality. They will put good face in front of everyone solo por quedar bien. But eventually true colours do come out. No one is saying you need to go around airing out your dirty laundry pero tampoco to the extreme of being sinico/sinica

OOOOOOOOOk so let me ask you this ...WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR SELF HONESTLY ?

TV Buff · TOP Guru

LaDyBuG wrote:

TV Buff wrote: at my wedding I didn't have any bridesmaids, because if I'd had any, there would've been no guests. Because you were sooo close with all the female members For someone as private as you I find this weird...that you would trust soooo many females to be your bridesmaids.....

LB, you're so used to RBTLing now that you don't actually READ THE LINES. I said I didn't have any. Even at my wedding, I walked alone.

ZIPOTE · TOP Guru

LaDyBuG wrote:

Oh please can you ask me one more time? Pretty pleaseeee.....

At your request ...we go back back into time ....REEEEEWIND

WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES A LEADER?

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Marky Mark wrote:

Not to diss Daeveed, but he works for someone, so he's not a leader in that respecct. So working for someone is not necessarily being a follower especially if its out of necessity. Everyone answers to someone; clerks answer to managers who answer to directors who answer to CEO's who then have to answer to the shareholders... which can be average schmoes like u and I. I need to think about this a little more.

I think you're wrong in that one: working for someone has nothing to do with being a leader or a follower. Even if you have your own biz, you still work for your customers. In fact, if I have it correctly, in business the customer is king, isn't it? Sometimes you have to aim at completely satisfying the customer, even if it means losing a little integrity, no?

Anyway, I still believe some people are leaders even if they are part of the work force. You just have to show up late, not do any work (i.e. be on Foro all day) and get fired a lot.

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

Im not even gonna ask about me. LOL. But seriously, I can see what you`re saying about this leader/follower thing. A follower quality that I find in quite a bit of people is the "I need everyone to like me" quality. They will put good face in front of everyone solo por quedar bien. But eventually true colours do come out. No one is saying you need to go around airing out your dirty laundry pero tampoco to the extreme of being sinico/sinica

LaDyBuG · Comandante

ZIPOTE wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: @ Zapato....actually....you are neither a leader nor a follower.....you are just "there"......which is not bad. OOOOOk so ... one more time ...WHAT MAKES A LEADER?

Oh please can you ask me one more time?

Pretty pleaseeee.....

ZIPOTE · TOP Guru

LaDyBuG wrote:

@ Zapato....actually....you are neither a leader nor a follower.....you are just "there"......which is not bad.

OOOOOk so ... one more time ...WHAT MAKES A LEADER?

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

Not to diss Daeveed, but he works for someone, so he's not a leader in that respecct. So working for someone is not necessarily being a follower especially if its out of necessity. Everyone answers to someone; clerks answer to managers who answer to directors who answer to CEO's who then have to answer to the shareholders... which can be average schmoes like u and I. I need to think about this a little more.

Owning your own business/company makes you a leader in a way...."people working for you not vice-versa"

I meant Daveed being a leader as a person not an employee....

Even I work for somebody....so in the "job" aspect I follow JUST to make money....it suuuuckss!!!

Julie · Comandante

ZIPOTE wrote:

@Julie just wondering `cause i been told that i`m one but sometimes ...ppl see in you what you don`t see in your self... thats all.So my question again .... @ TV Buff ...Dogo`s trade he owns a dogpound!!!

I agree with you here. That's why sometimes we need a kick in the butt.

I am pretty sure that we all know how and when to be a leader or a follower, which is probably the good balance because being one or the other all the time can be boring, annoying ..... for one and the pple around you.

but anyway, I am to shy to know abut that

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Not to diss Daeveed, but he works for someone, so he's not a leader in that respecct. So working for someone is not necessarily being a follower especially if its out of necessity. Everyone answers to someone; clerks answer to managers who answer to directors who answer to CEO's who then have to answer to the shareholders... which can be average schmoes like u and I.

I need to think about this a little more.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

ZIPOTE wrote:

@Julie just wondering `cause i been told that i`m one but sometimes ...ppl see in you what you don`t see in your self... thats all.So my question again .... @ TV Buff ...Dogo`s trade he owns a dogpound!!!

@ Zapato....actually....you are neither a leader nor a follower.....you are just "there"......which is not bad.

ZIPOTE · TOP Guru

@Julie just wondering `cause i been told that i`m one but sometimes ...ppl see in you what you don`t see in your self... thats all.So my question again ....

@ TV Buff ...Dogo`s trade he owns a dogpound!!!

LaDyBuG · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

at my wedding I didn't have any bridesmaids, because if I'd had any, there would've been no guests.

Because you were sooo close with all the female members

For someone as private as you I find this weird...that you would trust soooo many females to be your bridesmaids.....

LaDyBuG · Comandante

"walking alone" makes a good leader.....

EX: Xavier is a follower....he follows Ladybug....LOL....

TV Buff · TOP Guru

ZIPOTE wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: FROM EVERYONE I HAVE MET FROM FORO....ONLY 2 OR 3 ARE TRUE LEADERS.... OOOOOOh yea ...What makes a leader? And why only a few ... and not more.

I'll answer this one with an example: at my wedding I didn't have any bridesmaids, because if I'd had any, there would've been no guests.