Immigration Raids

bistor · Guru

RE: Immigration Raids

Miel · Guru

Chilenita wrote:

Salsera de Corazon wrote: and they put the economy in a better situation not always true salsera. Many illegal immigrants send most of the money they make right back home...

Yes, it is true in some cases. But they have left their job here,. lets say in the construction field. They build the houses , house are sold ,. and most of the workers aren't paid what they should be paid for the work and hours they work for. Either way the economy is getting benefits from it.

Chilenita · Comandante

Miel wrote:

Chilenita wrote: I agree Immigration will not give you papers just because you want to start a new life here....because there is more money to be made and that sort of thing. Like I said b4 if that was the case then they would need to let millions of people from thrid world countries all around the world come in and start a life here. I know people personally that are here illegally because they want to make money or because financially life was hard back home....they are very hard working but you just can't let everyone in. Immigration reviews cases in great detail and they determine if you can stay or not...if they decide you can't and you continue to stay here then you must know sooner or later your luck will run out. As immigrants you choose to be leave your country becasue you want to get a better living, either because political, economic, personal or any other reason. If you immigrate and you want to work and help the country (Canada) to grow its economy. Why you have to put in the situation that there is not other way of entering but illegaly. Probably some people they just don't want to immigrate for any reason. It is true that you can't let anyone enter but they should be more flexible to people that really deserves or need to stay in Canada. Work permits are not easy to get. Besides Canada needs immigrants and workforce. Canadians are not having kids and its economy is growing at fast pace.

Miel I know why people come here I am just saying that immigration will not give you papers because you came for economic reasons.

Daeveed · Foro Master

bistor wrote:

Those that are working LEGALLY will have no problem remaining in Canada. Those that are working ILLEGALLY should not be here. Who the hell are they, and what the hell are they doing in MY house? Again, there are rules to the game. Whether it be as a refugee claimant, skilled worker, investor or other humanitarian reasons, just follow the damn rules.

I mainly agree with you.

But I think there are situations in which some people should not have restrictions to work temporarily. This given that it is on a part time basis, and for a period of time....or something like that. For example, I think people who come to study, should be allowed to work only part time. Students need money, especially when they come from outside. I don't think letting them have a part time job is a bad idea. That is why so many international students have their cash part time jobs...if they find them, they will probably get deported, but I don't think that is the right thing to do, any student is an investment for the country....but that's just me. As long as they keep studying, I think they all should be allowed to work.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

miguel wrote:

cracking down on illegal immigration will discourage young, beautiful, bikini clad spanish speaking girls from coming here in search of a better life, hoping to meet "the one". i am therefore against this crackdown.

I agree....

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

Salsera de Corazon wrote:

JOKER_ESCO wrote: Salsera de Corazon wrote: JOKER_ESCO wrote: God wrote: Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading...... I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up I agree with you Joker n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, I don't agree with you here, a lot of people that enter illegal to Canada came here to get a better living and some of those people that enter illegal deserve to be here, not all of them for example like the ones that are on Welfare and don't do anything don't deserve to be here, but I don't agree with the methods they are using. I agree Here is why I don't agree with u, Canada has a system 2 let PPL enter the country, I follow the system why should other just arrive here and take advantage of this country?? take advantage in what? u take advantage when ur on Social Assistance, there is illegal ppl who works hard to make a living here, and they put the economy in a better situation

Take advange working here, Allot of PPL used other PPL's Social Insurance card 2 work, Why they should just enter n be welcome?? that's why Canada has an immigration system, If u Apply in your contry an are acepted, Welcome 2 canada, if u just come here with student visa, or visiting visa and stay here Get out, or get deported, I am sorry but I don't want canada 2 become like the U.S.

miguel · TOP Guru

cracking down on illegal immigration will discourage young, beautiful, bikini clad spanish speaking girls from coming here in search of a better life, hoping to meet "the one".

i am therefore against this crackdown.

Chilenita · Comandante

Salsera de Corazon wrote:

and they put the economy in a better situation

not always true salsera. Many illegal immigrants send most of the money they make right back home...

El Sebastian · Senior Member

Salsera de Corazon wrote:

I follow the system why should other just arrive here and take advantage of this country?? take advantage in what? u take advantage when ur on Social Assistance, there is illegal ppl who works hard to make a living here, and they put the economy in a better situation

You hit it on the head Salsera de Corazon muy bien dicho.Muy sierto.

bistor · Guru

Salsera de Corazon wrote:

JOKER_ESCO wrote:
Salsera de Corazon wrote: JOKER_ESCO wrote: God wrote: Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading...... I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up I agree with you Joker n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, I don't agree with you here, a lot of people that enter illegal to Canada came here to get a better living and some of those people that enter illegal deserve to be here, not all of them for example like the ones that are on Welfare and don't do anything don't deserve to be here, but I don't agree with the methods they are using. I agree Here is why I don't agree with u, Canada has a system 2 let PPL enter the country, I follow the system why should other just arrive here and take advantage of this country??
take advantage in what? u take advantage when ur on Social Assistance, there is illegal ppl who works hard to make a living here, and they put the economy in a better situation

Drug dealing and money laundering also add to the canadian economy!

Let's keep it LEGAL. Change the law if necessary, but keep it LEGAL.

Miel · Guru

Chilenita wrote:

I agree Immigration will not give you papers just because you want to start a new life here....because there is more money to be made and that sort of thing. Like I said b4 if that was the case then they would need to let millions of people from thrid world countries all around the world come in and start a life here. I know people personally that are here illegally because they want to make money or because financially life was hard back home....they are very hard working but you just can't let everyone in. Immigration reviews cases in great detail and they determine if you can stay or not...if they decide you can't and you continue to stay here then you must know sooner or later your luck will run out.

As immigrants you choose to be leave your country becasue you want to get a better living, either because political, economic, personal or any other reason. If you immigrate and you want to work and help the country (Canada) to grow its economy. Why you have to put in the situation that there is not other way of entering but illegaly. Probably some people they just don't want to immigrate for any reason. It is true that you can't let anyone enter but they should be more flexible to people that really deserves or need to stay in Canada. Work permits are not easy to get. Besides Canada needs immigrants and workforce. Canadians are not having kids and its economy is growing at fast pace.

Chilenita · Comandante

bistor wrote:

Canada is not a hotel where people can come and go as they please. I'm very sorry if FOREIGNERS would like it to be that way, but as a VOTING CITIZEN, someone with greater interest and stake in this country than making a few bucks under the table, I'm not very interested in ILLEGAL immigration. This does not mean I'm against immigration. We are all the product of it. I am against ILLEGAL immigration. There is a LEGAL process that must be followed to come this country, which happens to include an RCMP BACKGROUND CHECK. I LIKE background checks. Are OUR immigration laws perfect? Probably not. They probably should be changed to allow more blue-collar workers in. It goes without saying that these immigrants should be subject to the same controls that ANY immigrant to this country should be subject to. Is this legal change something that my good buddy João from the Azores, digging ditches for cash has any say in? I'm afraid NOT. SORRY.

Okay I agree with you to a point but I find your last lines harsh and almost well rude.

I agree that there is a legal process that everyone should follow. If you have not followed it then you should not be here. You can not pick and choose special cases where certian people should be allowed to stay because they work hard...the law does not work that way. I think it should be clear cut...follow the process. I do think that the "law" should allow more people to immigrate here for work and different reasons but thanks to all those who voted for Steven Harper that is not likely to happen any time soon.

bistor · Guru

Gitana wrote:

I THINK THEY SHOULD DEPORT ALL THOSE WHO ARE HERE DOING NOTHING!!!
UNFORTUNATELY IN MANY CASES THOSE WHO WORK, AND STRUGGLE TO ACHIEVE CERTAIN THINGS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SENT BACK!!!

Those that are working LEGALLY will have no problem remaining in Canada.

Those that are working ILLEGALLY should not be here. Who the hell are they, and what the hell are they doing in MY house?

Again, there are rules to the game. Whether it be as a refugee claimant, skilled worker, investor or other humanitarian reasons, just follow the damn rules.

Salsera de Corazon · TOP Guru

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

Salsera de Corazon wrote: JOKER_ESCO wrote: God wrote: Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading...... I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up I agree with you Joker n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, I don't agree with you here, a lot of people that enter illegal to Canada came here to get a better living and some of those people that enter illegal deserve to be here, not all of them for example like the ones that are on Welfare and don't do anything don't deserve to be here, but I don't agree with the methods they are using. I agree Here is why I don't agree with u, Canada has a system 2 let PPL enter the country, I follow the system why should other just arrive here and take advantage of this country??

take advantage in what? u take advantage when ur on Social Assistance, there is illegal ppl who works hard to make a living here, and they put the economy in a better situation

miguel · TOP Guru

Chilenita wrote:

El Sebastian wrote:
miguel wrote: you can't be illegal and be on welfare. Try again Miguelito ...someone stoled my friend`s S.I.N and stared working under his name.
So he was working then not on welfare

what chilenita said.

if the guy tried to collect welfare and your friend was already working under his own SIN, the government would detect the fraud.

i guess you could maybe collect welfare if you steal someone's SIN and then the SIN owner isn't working, and he meets all the qualifications for welfare. but this is probably extremely difficult. again, a regular (non illegal citizen) could do this as well.

then again, identity fraud is another issue, and illegal immigration is not the top indentity fraud source that the government is worried about.

anyhow, it's extremely difficult for an illegal alien to collect welfare.

Gitana · Foro Master

I THINK THEY SHOULD DEPORT ALL THOSE WHO ARE HERE DOING NOTHING!!!

UNFORTUNATELY IN MANY CASES THOSE WHO WORK, AND STRUGGLE TO ACHIEVE CERTAIN THINGS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SENT BACK!!!

bistor · Guru

Canada is not a hotel where people can come and go as they please. I'm very sorry if FOREIGNERS would like it to be that way, but as a VOTING CITIZEN, someone with greater interest and stake in this country than making a few bucks under the table, I'm not very interested in ILLEGAL immigration.

This does not mean I'm against immigration. We are all the product of it. I am against ILLEGAL immigration. There is a LEGAL process that must be followed to come this country, which happens to include an RCMP BACKGROUND CHECK. I LIKE background checks.

Are OUR immigration laws perfect? Probably not. They probably should be changed to allow more blue-collar workers in. It goes without saying that these immigrants should be subject to the same controls that ANY immigrant to this country should be subject to. Is this legal change something that my good buddy João from the Azores, digging ditches for cash has any say in? I'm afraid NOT.

SORRY.

El Sebastian · Senior Member

Chilenita wrote:

El Sebastian wrote: miguel wrote: you can't be illegal and be on welfare. Try again Miguelito ...someone stoled my friend`s S.I.N and stared working under his name. So he was working then not on welfare

Yea but from there ...whats next look at how your identity is been taken away, and it just keeps going and going.

Miel · Guru

I think that the Immigration Laws should change in order to benefit illegals who are working and giving to Canada their skills and efforts. They put to many barriers to ppl who want to legalize their status in Canada. I don't think they should deport anyone unless they are crimminals. For ppl who are in wealfare and receving social assistance the goverment should create tougher laws and investigate who are really in need of financial help and who is taking advantage of the system.

Chilenita · Comandante

El Sebastian wrote:

miguel wrote: you can't be illegal and be on welfare. Try again Miguelito ...someone stoled my friend`s S.I.N and stared working under his name.

So he was working then not on welfare

El Sebastian · Senior Member

miguel wrote:

you can't be illegal and be on welfare.

Try again Miguelito ...someone stoled my friend`s S.I.N and stared working under his name.

Chilenita · Comandante

miguel wrote:

you can't be illegal and be on welfare.

He is totally right. If you are illegal you don't even exist as far as the system is concerned. Unless of course you were deported and didn't show up on the date you were supposed to leave....either way you can not be on welfare.

Date: Mar 28 10:51 AM, 2006

El Sebastian wrote:

JOKER_ESCO wrote: Yes I Agree with u, I saw this show in CTV call W5, It was about PPL who keep on getting Arrested 4 criminal Acts, they have Deportation Orders but they still live here, this are the PPL they should kick out here. I saw that show and did you guys see another show where two Jamaicans got deported and came back thrue the USA just to kill someone.

What a freakin' joke!!!!

El Sebastian · Senior Member

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

Yes I Agree with u, I saw this show in CTV call W5, It was about PPL who keep on getting Arrested 4 criminal Acts, they have Deportation Orders but they still live here, this are the PPL they should kick out here.

I saw that show and did you guys see another show where two Jamaicans got deported and came back thrue the USA just to kill someone.

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

Salsera de Corazon wrote:

JOKER_ESCO wrote: God wrote: Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading...... I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up I agree with you Joker n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, I don't agree with you here, a lot of people that enter illegal to Canada came here to get a better living and some of those people that enter illegal deserve to be here, not all of them for example like the ones that are on Welfare and don't do anything don't deserve to be here, but I don't agree with the methods they are using. I agree

Here is why I don't agree with u, Canada has a system 2 let PPL enter the country, I follow the system why should other just arrive here and take advantage of this country??

Chilenita · Comandante

Salsera de Corazon wrote:

JOKER_ESCO wrote: God wrote: Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading...... I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up I agree with you Joker n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, I don't agree with you here, a lot of people that enter illegal to Canada came here to get a better living and some of those people that enter illegal deserve to be here, not all of them for example like the ones that are on Welfare and don't do anything don't deserve to be here, but I don't agree with the methods they are using. I agree

Immigration will not give you papers just because you want to start a new life here....because there is more money to be made and that sort of thing. Like I said b4 if that was the case then they would need to let millions of people from thrid world countries all around the world come in and start a life here. I know people personally that are here illegally because they want to make money or because financially life was hard back home....they are very hard working but you just can't let everyone in. Immigration reviews cases in great detail and they determine if you can stay or not...if they decide you can't and you continue to stay here then you must know sooner or later your luck will run out.

Date: Mar 28 10:45 AM, 2006

miguel wrote:

you can't be illegal and be on welfare.

u think????

miguel · TOP Guru

you can't be illegal and be on welfare.

Date: Mar 28 10:43 AM, 2006

LAB_ wrote:

ColombianQT_247 wrote: Jade wrote: Really?!?! Was this on the news by any chance? It was in The Sun yesterday. What the government needs to do is deport ALL these little punks!! Regardless of age!!! It's disgusting how hard working, law abiding citizens are being deported from a wonderful country whereas these little hoodrats are taking advantage of the system!!! DISGUSTING!!! Ok, NOW I am lost. Who should be deported? And why? And who shouldn't? What's with the AGE thing? Plz zplain?

I said.......WHAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO IS DEPORT ALL THESE LITTLE PUNKS!!! All these punks that are shooting and stabbing people; killing innocent bystanders (16 year old Jane Creba)

I don't know why you're asking WHY??!!! Do you want to be living among these people that have no heart/morals?? Do you want your children to grow up with bullets flying everywhere??

The people that SHOULDN'T be deported are law abiding, hard working people!! Those that contribute to society in a healthy way!!

And in case you didn't notice, the majority of these idiots running around killing eachother are YOUNG. I say if you're old enough to want to wound or kill someone REGARDLESS OF AGE, then out you go!!!!

The 12 year old that got stabbed was stabbed by someone who is POSSIBLY the same age. That kid needs to get out!!!

Salsera de Corazon · TOP Guru

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

God wrote: Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading...... I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up I agree with you Joker n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, I don't agree with you here, a lot of people that enter illegal to Canada came here to get a better living and some of those people that enter illegal deserve to be here, not all of them for example like the ones that are on Welfare and don't do anything don't deserve to be here, but I don't agree with the methods they are using. I agree

Date: Mar 28 10:39 AM, 2006

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

NeNa wrote: JOKER_ESCO wrote: I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, but I don't agree with the methods they are using. I agree with you too.... they should deport ppl who are here not working.. only using our methods such as welfare to live ?????? .. if you come to Canada .. at least try working for a change... ... They are deporting ppl who are working and making something out of them in this country...that's not right... Yes I Agree with u, I saw this show in CTV call W5, It was about PPL who keep on getting Arrested 4 criminal Acts, they have Deportation Orders but they still live here, this are the PPL they should kick out here.

yuup... thosse are the ones that need to live....

Chilenita · Comandante

LAB_ wrote:

Daeveed wrote: Chilenita wrote: I don't Me neither. I don't think she's wrong. But you may be right. In any case. It sucks. Little to do with the pink canadian image some of us brought along.

Lab don't get me wrong I like the fact that Canada has always been a place where people from other parts of the world that are in very hard times can come to start a new life. The thing is where do you draw the line? So let's say you come from a war torn country or have problems back home because of your political views then of course I think those people should be allowed to stay here..no question about that! If you are here because there are economical problems back home that that is different....they would have to allow all of Africa to come here if that is the case. Where would you draw the line?

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

NeNa wrote:

JOKER_ESCO wrote: I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, but I don't agree with the methods they are using. I agree with you too.... they should deport ppl who are here not working.. only using our methods such as welfare to live ?????? .. if you come to Canada .. at least try working for a change... ... They are deporting ppl who are working and making something out of them in this country...that's not right...

Yes I Agree with u, I saw this show in CTV call W5, It was about PPL who keep on getting Arrested 4 criminal Acts, they have Deportation Orders but they still live here, this are the PPL they should kick out here.

Date: Mar 28 10:35 AM, 2006

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, but I don't agree with the methods they are using.

I agree with you too.... they should deport ppl who are here not working.. only using our methods such as welfare to live ?????? .. if you come to Canada .. at least try working for a change... ...

They are deporting ppl who are working and making something out of them in this country...that's not right...

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

God wrote:

Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading......

I agree that they should be deporting PPL who are messing up n also PPl who have enter illegal 2 canada, but I don't agree with the methods they are using.

LAB_ · Guru

ColombianQT_247 wrote:

Jade wrote:
Really?!?! Was this on the news by any chance?

It was in The Sun yesterday. What the government needs to do is deport ALL these little punks!! Regardless of age!!! It's disgusting how hard working, law abiding citizens are being deported from a wonderful country whereas these little hoodrats are taking advantage of the system!!!
DISGUSTING!!!

Ok, NOW I am lost.

Who should be deported?

And why?

And who shouldn't?

What's with the AGE thing?

Plz zplain?

Date: Mar 28 10:29 AM, 2006

Jade wrote:

Really?!?! Was this on the news by any chance?

It was in The Sun yesterday. What the government needs to do is deport ALL these little punks!! Regardless of age!!! It's disgusting how hard working, law abiding citizens are being deported from a wonderful country whereas these little hoodrats are taking advantage of the system!!!

DISGUSTING!!!

Daeveed · Foro Master

LAB_ wrote:

Little to do with the pink canadian image some of us brought along.

True. But that's just a matter of misinformation....or mere blindness (mental blindness).

LAB_ · Guru

Daeveed wrote:

Chilenita wrote:
I don't
Me neither.

I don't think she's wrong. But you may be right.

In any case. It sucks. Little to do with the pink canadian image some of us brought along.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

I don't

Me neither.

Salsera de Corazon · TOP Guru

bistor wrote:

God wrote: Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading...... I don't see a problem with deporting people that are here ilegally I don't agree,. Another issue might be that the law should probably be changed to allow people with these sort of skills, which are needed, to stay in the country. well the LAW doesn't work that way, there is a lot of people that deserve to be here legally, but the LAW usually denies them the oportunity to stay, so that is why there is so many people that are illegals

Chilenita · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

Chilenita wrote: I agree I disagree.

I don't

Daeveed · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

I agree

I disagree.

Chilenita · Comandante

bistor wrote:

God wrote: Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading...... I don't see a problem with deporting people that are here ilegally. Another issue might be that the law should probably be changed to allow people with these sort of skills, which are needed, to stay in the country.

I agree

Jade · Guru

God wrote:

Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ...... I find it extremely degrading......

Really?!?! Was this on the news by any chance?

bistor · Guru

God wrote:

Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ......

I find it extremely degrading......

I don't see a problem with deporting people that are here ilegally. Another issue might be that the law should probably be changed to allow people with these sort of skills, which are needed, to stay in the country.

God · Foro Master

Have you notice that they are doing them here in Toronto just like US style.....Last Sunday they closed down Dufferin Mall to catch Illegal Aliens....they busted the Portuguese construction workers ......

I find it extremely degrading......