What is NOT Art?

Guadalupana · Foro Master

RE: What is NOT Art?

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

Lahtina wrote: So to hell with Aesthetics and canons and such? When I say form, i'm including aesthetics in the concept. canons?

usually called when ppl don't wax the legs properly...

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Guadalupana wrote:
@Lahtina--i do consider Dali's work art. But as you said in the beginning, a garbage can under plexiglass is not art. And sure chacun a son gout (how ever you spell that)

It depends on the meaning behind it...se?? the problem is that with progress and civilization, art started to move further and further away from the general public, to the point that it has become an elitist ball of stinky manure that rolls all by itself.
In the past, art was embedded in everyday lives, and it would appeal to everybody. Nowadays if you didn't go to art school or whatever, then "it's ok for you not to understand it...just leave it be".
Anything can be art, as long as there is a meaning behind it, and an intention to convey something. The form is sometimes nothing but a vehicle of expression, sometimes the form is everything.
I guess my point is...Art Snobs get on my nerves...

I went to art school, and i would still say (props to you for the very intelligent explanation on stinky manure that moves by itself--the Dung beetle does that) that a garbage can under plexiglass is not art. Unless it's A garbage can under a plexiglass oil painted on a canvas while incorporating some mixed media...such as real garbage trying to get into the garbage can , but can't because it's under the plexi....see? that would be art.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Lahtina wrote:

So to hell with Aesthetics and canons and such?

When I say form, i'm including aesthetics in the concept.

canons?

Lahtina · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Guadalupana wrote: @Lahtina--i do consider Dali's work art. But as you said in the beginning, a garbage can under plexiglass is not art. And sure chacun a son gout (how ever you spell that) It depends on the meaning behind it...se?? the problem is that with progress and civilization, art started to move further and further away from the general public, to the point that it has become an elitist ball of stinky manure that rolls all by itself. In the past, art was embedded in everyday lives, and it would appeal to everybody. Nowadays if you didn't go to art school or whatever, then "it's ok for you not to understand it...just leave it be". Anything can be art, as long as there is a meaning behind it, and an intention to convey something. The form is sometimes nothing but a vehicle of expression, sometimes the form is everything. I guess my point is...Art Snobs get on my nerves...

So to hell with Aesthetics and canons and such?

@ Guada: did I ever say Dalí is not art? I just said it's not my cup of tea.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Guadalupana wrote:

@Lahtina--i do consider Dali's work art. But as you said in the beginning, a garbage can under plexiglass is not art. And sure chacun a son gout (how ever you spell that)

It depends on the meaning behind it...se?? the problem is that with progress and civilization, art started to move further and further away from the general public, to the point that it has become an elitist ball of stinky manure that rolls all by itself.

In the past, art was embedded in everyday lives, and it would appeal to everybody. Nowadays if you didn't go to art school or whatever, then "it's ok for you not to understand it...just leave it be".

Anything can be art, as long as there is a meaning behind it, and an intention to convey something. The form is sometimes nothing but a vehicle of expression, sometimes the form is everything.

I guess my point is...Art Snobs get on my nerves...

Guadalupana · Foro Master

@Lahtina--i do consider Dali's work art.

But as you said in the beginning, a garbage can under plexiglass is not art.
And sure chacun a son gout (how ever you spell that)

Chale Tanga · TOP Guru

Lahtina wrote:

I am skeptical of many works of modern "art" I have seen, like a canvas painted all in white, or a garbage bin under plexiglass. There is often the little blurb next to the "work" that explains its intent to challenge the definition of art in order to critique some aspect of society. Sometimes I am torn between dismissing the object as non-art, or simply as bad art. What do you think? (Daeveed, art snob, where are you?)

I once saw this painting where the artist has painted stick trees on a blue background, a black one inch line in the middle and a stick building on the other side of the black line. It was supposed to represent how society is destroying wild life, and there is a thin line between the existence of nature and its total destruction.

To me it looked like a tree, a black line and a very badly painted building. I could have done a better job while intoxicated and high.

But this sad excuse for art did its job... it stuck in my mind and I still remember it even now. Art is real and true art when it captures you and it stays with you and has you wondering.

LAB_ · Guru

Julie wrote:

Have you ever seen Kandinsky painting ? Very interesting, different though
-- Edited by Julie at 22:49, 2006-03-19

Interestin'.....

Wiflredo Lam. A cuban classic.

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

What is art? Are we art? Is art art?

Lahtina · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote: Are we all?? Just in the butthole.

Cochinote! Hay que limpiarse bien! lol

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Are we all??

Just in the butthole.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Lahtina wrote:

I'm 1/16 black.

Are we all??

Lahtina · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Except the third one, I don't like that one. Definitely NOT ART! Are you saying that 'cause the guy is black?!?!? Racist!!!!

Oh, there was a guy there? I guess he wasn't smiling, eh?

I'm soooo kidding. And just to prove that I am not a racist, let me tell you that I'm 1/16 black.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Lahtina wrote:

Except the third one, I don't like that one. Definitely NOT ART!

Are you saying that 'cause the guy is black?!?!?

Racist!!!!

Lahtina · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Bainaman wrote: Lahtina wrote: And are you saying that YOU determine what is art and what isn't? What ever happened to Chacun à son goùt? Isn't this what YOU did on your very first post of this thread??? You think? Dime dónde exacatamente? And yes, I did meant to misspell exactamente. "Sometimes I am torn between dismissing the object as non-art, or simply as bad art."

Yeah, and haven't you heard that people change? That statement is SO yesterday. Pfffft!

@ Mc... I love it! Definitely ART! Except the third one, I don't like that one. Definitely NOT ART!

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Claudio Bravo. Chilean realistic painter. (chi chi chi le le le)

http://www.puc.cl/faba/ARTE/AUTORES/BravoObrasI.html

Bainaman · Foro Master

Lahtina wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
Lahtina wrote: And are you saying that YOU determine what is art and what isn't? What ever happened to Chacun à son goùt? Isn't this what YOU did on your very first post of this thread???

You think? Dime dónde exacatamente? And yes, I did meant to misspell exactamente.

"Sometimes I am torn between dismissing the object as non-art, or simply as bad art."

Lahtina · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Lahtina wrote: And are you saying that YOU determine what is art and what isn't? What ever happened to Chacun à son goùt? Isn't this what YOU did on your very first post of this thread???

You think? Dime dónde exacatamente? And yes, I did meant to misspell exactamente.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Lahtina wrote:

And are you saying that YOU determine what is art and what isn't? What ever happened to Chacun à son goùt?

Isn't this what YOU did on your very first post of this thread???

Daeveed · Foro Master

bistor wrote:

I couldn't find any hyperrealistic portraits

Look for a Chilean painter called Claudio Bravo.

Art?? pffft too much to talk about.

What is not art? Anything that does not have the intention of conveying any type of information is not art.

Some things do convey information and are not art. Like the 6 o'clock news. Why?

Because art aims to convey much more information than that. It tries to convey concepts, forms, sensations; it tries to provoke a reaction in the observer.

...and then you have all the schools and crap...dada, bauhaus, etc.

Someone please shoot Andy Warhol for me???

what??

already done?

good.

Lahtina · Foro Master

Guadalupana wrote:

Art is that which invites my mind to expand. That which is visually appealing, that which makes sense. If there is something that makes me say "WTF is that?!" then it shouldn't be considered art.

Whoa! There's gonna be a whole lot of stuff that wouldn't fit your art criteria then. And are you saying that YOU determine what is art and what isn't? What ever happened to Chacun à son goùt?

I do not enjoy Salvador Dalí's paintings but it would be silly for me to try to argue that his work does not deserve the recognition it has.

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: McOSIRIS wrote: I think that art is just an expression of feeling throughout different elements or situations…. Dancing is an art, as well as theatre, music, paint, etc…. And then you have the coolest art of all….. Cinematography…. You're not turning into a DJ, are you?.... @lahtina: Iknow, I know...:threadspoiler: Jajajajaja pinche Dogo. Largo de mi thread serio! I just had to post this because I was starting to feel all icky for posting dumb stuff. (Not that this is helping!) :aunquelamonasevistadesedamonaqueda:

Are there ever gonna be emoticons for these???

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Art is that which invites my mind to expand. That which is visually appealing, that which makes sense.

If there is something that makes me say "WTF is that?!" then it shouldn't be considered art.

Lahtina · Foro Master

bistor wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Aaaaah, really? Well... hmmm. In that case... :thinking: I don't like it. It's amazing but I don't like it. Art for me is not capturing reality, it's capturing a moment. And the urinal doesn't captura a moment?

No, it doesn't capture it. It receives it unwillingly. It's unable to reject it. How is that beautiful?

bistor · Guru

Lahtina wrote:

Aaaaah, really? Well... hmmm. In that case... :thinking: I don't like it. It's amazing but I don't like it. Art for me is not capturing reality, it's capturing a moment.

And the urinal doesn't captura a moment?

Lahtina · Foro Master

Aaaaah, really? Well... hmmm. In that case... :thinking: I don't like it. It's amazing but I don't like it. Art for me is not capturing reality, it's capturing a moment.

bistor · Guru

Lahtina wrote:

bistor wrote:
Bechtle's Alameda Gran Torino, 1974.

Not art! And neither is the urinal. Why? Because it has an utility... I say.

It's an example of hyperrealism... the car is actually a painting, not a photograph.

I couldn't find any hyperrealistic portraits

Lahtina · Foro Master

bistor wrote:

Bechtle's Alameda Gran Torino, 1974.

Not art! And neither is the urinal. Why? Because it has an utility... I say.

bistor · Guru

"Modern" art isn't always so modern, and "classic" art not always so classic.

Lahtina · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

Lahtina wrote: I love Van Gogh, especially his earlier stuff. Although, I do love the intensity of the colours and the broad strokes that define his work. But this one, for example is beautiful to me. Van Gogh sucks..... it's too coarse for my taste I'm a Surrealist freak (that explains my behaviour)

I love Van Gogh because I've read up on him and seen his work con mis propios ojitos. This definitely explains why I also dislike Paul Gauguin.

bistor · Guru

Bechtle's Alameda Gran Torino, 1974.

bistor · Guru

Duchamp's urinal, 1917.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

I love Van Gogh, especially his earlier stuff. Although, I do love the intensity of the colours and the broad strokes that define his work. But this one, for example is beautiful to me.

Van Gogh sucks..... it's too coarse for my taste

I'm a Surrealist freak (that explains my behaviour)

bistor · Guru

Nerds!

Lahtina · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Jajajaja bienvenida a mi club! I don't like Dalí either. I don't know why. His art is too eerie for me, it doesn't make me want to see more. Of the surrealists though, I love Magritte, Chagall and Joan Miro. I don't like Max Ernst either... otro darketo. u suck too... but I understand... Van Gogh has the same effect on moi....

I love Van Gogh, especially his earlier stuff. Although, I do love the intensity of the colours and the broad strokes that define his work. But this one, for example is beautiful to me.

Julie · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Julie wrote: Lahtina wrote: We saw some Kadinsky's in Mexico City, yes... interesting. Art, yes. Why? Because of the mathematical patterns. I think. I've seen a big expo in Paris when I was a kid and it impressed me a lot, I had never seen something like that before. The wierdest thing for some is that I don't really like Dali. SORI...AH Jajajaja bienvenida a mi club! I don't like Dalí either. I don't know why. His art is too eerie for me, it doesn't make me want to see more. Of the surrealists though, I love Magritte, Chagall and Joan Miro. I don't like Max Ernst either... otro darketo.

And what about the architecture ? Very nice things have been done

-- Edited by Julie at 23:13, 2006-03-19

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Jajajaja bienvenida a mi club! I don't like Dalí either. I don't know why. His art is too eerie for me, it doesn't make me want to see more. Of the surrealists though, I love Magritte, Chagall and Joan Miro. I don't like Max Ernst either... otro darketo.

u suck too... but I understand... Van Gogh has the same effect on moi....

Lahtina · Foro Master

Julie wrote:

Lahtina wrote: We saw some Kadinsky's in Mexico City, yes... interesting. Art, yes. Why? Because of the mathematical patterns. I think. I've seen a big expo in Paris when I was a kid and it impressed me a lot, I had never seen something like that before. The wierdest thing for some is that I don't really like Dali. SORI...AH

Jajajaja bienvenida a mi club! I don't like Dalí either. I don't know why. His art is too eerie for me, it doesn't make me want to see more. Of the surrealists though, I love Magritte, Chagall and Joan Miro. I don't like Max Ernst either... otro darketo.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Julie wrote:

I was a kid and it impressed me a lot, I had never seen something like that before. The wierdest thing for some is that I don't really like Dali. SORI...AH

u suck...

Julie · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

We saw some Kadinsky's in Mexico City, yes... interesting. Art, yes. Why? Because of the mathematical patterns. I think.

I've seen a big expo in Paris when I was a kid and it impressed me a lot, I had never seen something like that before.

The wierdest thing for some is that I don't really like Dali. SORI...AH

Lahtina · Foro Master

We saw some Kadinsky's in Mexico City, yes... interesting. Art, yes. Why? Because of the mathematical patterns. I think.

Julie · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:

Thank God (RGNFG) there might still be hope for the world to recognize the genius that is Wisin and Yandel!

The best ever, although Fito is tough competition.

Lahtina · Foro Master

Phantasma wrote:

Thank God (RGNFG) there might still be hope for the world to recognize the genius that is Wisin and Yandel!

LMAO

Wait... who are these people anyway?

Julie · Comandante

Have you ever seen Kandinsky painting ? Very interesting, different though

-- Edited by Julie at 22:49, 2006-03-19

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:

Thank God (RGNFG) there might still be hope for the world to recognize the genius that is Wisin and Yandel!

don't forget Fito....

Lahtina · Foro Master

Julie wrote:

But you do like Botero ?

I love Botero! I love the colours, the compositions, the volume... there's emotion there for me.

ETA: But he's not my favourite.

-- Edited by Lahtina at 22:46, 2006-03-19

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Bainaman wrote:

Do you think that maybe you don't like it.....and don't give it value....because you don't understand it?????

I'm don't know much about modern art......But I can comment from the music side of things....

Many of the great revolutionary musician...were mocked and sometimes ridiculed by people....because they didn't understand what the musician was trying to do. After years of analyzation......these same mocked musicians are revered and considered geniuses.

Thank God (RGNFG) there might still be hope for the world to recognize the genius that is Wisin and Yandel!

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Dogo wrote: McOSIRIS wrote: I think that art is just an expression of feeling throughout different elements or situations…. Dancing is an art, as well as theatre, music, paint, etc…. And then you have the coolest art of all….. Cinematography…. You're not turning into a DJ, are you?.... @lahtina: Iknow, I know...:threadspoiler: Jajajajaja pinche Dogo. Largo de mi thread serio! I just had to post this because I was starting to feel all icky for posting dumb stuff. (Not that this is helping!)

:aunquelamonasevistadesedamonaqueda:

Julie · Comandante

But you do like Botero ?