Have you ever thought to yourself?

Miel · Guru

RE: Have you ever thought to yourself?

Shei · Guru

Miel wrote:

I was talking about my personal experince,. and yes when ppl spell thing is the same,. but lets say,. mom,. dad,. hello,. the months of the year,. the week days,. and things like that,. that have their own sign ,. it s the same,. probably it is true that varies from country to country,. but this is what i have seen,. btw I m not an expert in Sign Language,.... My friends were born deaf and they read our lips when we speak in spanish,.. a bit confusing,. but I did some research and this is what I found,.. http://www.stc.org/48thConf/postconf/MG2XDeafness.pdf Prelingual Deafness: Characteristics Thus, when a person is prelingually deaf, they learn a spoken language mainly through an artificial means, i.e., reading. Because print does not convey as much language information that sound conveys, prelingually deaf persons are deprived of auditory language input. The result is diminished reading and writing skills. @Shei ,. Muy interesante y cierto lo que mencionas,.

es exacto.. los niños Hipoacusicos ó Sordos que van a escuelas basadas en la lengua oral (como nosotros) aprenden los sonidos de los fonemas (letras) a traves de la vibración que producen las cuerdas vocales en nuestro sistema de fonación (laringe+ cavidada bucal+ resonadores ) (en verdad somos como un instrumento musical ) palpandose pueden identificar y aprender algunas de las letras , ó leyendo nuestros labios, pero hay muchas que no se pueden ver como (en lengua española) la N

Miel · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

Miel wrote: Regarding what language deaf ppl think in,.. eventhough they can not listen ,. they read lips,.. and that would depend in wich languaje they will think,. together with images,. etc,.. Sign language is the same in english and spanish,,. I guess it should be the same in any other language that use the ABC's,.. I learned a bit of sign language in Ecuador with two friends of mine,. and when I see ppl using sign language here,. I can understand a little bit,.. Sori Ah Miel!!! But this is an inaccurate statement. I'm talking about prelingually deaf people......meaning they have never in their lives....heard anything. How could they possibly read lips...if they don't know what that sounds like....or even know what the words mean. Signed English...the type where people spell things out.....is totally different from SIGN...or SIGN LANGUAGE. Sign Language varies from country to country.....just like any other language...Customs, traditions and concepts are different...

I was talking about my personal experince,. and yes when ppl spell thing is the same,. but lets say,. mom,. dad,. hello,. the months of the year,. the week days,. and things like that,. that have their own sign ,. it s the same,. probably it is true that varies from country to country,. but this is what i have seen,. btw I m not an expert in Sign Language,....

My friends were born deaf and they read our lips when we speak in spanish,.. a bit confusing,. but I did some research and this is what I found,..

http://www.stc.org/48thConf/postconf/MG2XDeafness.pdf

Prelingual Deafness:

Characteristics

Thus, when a person is prelingually deaf, they

learn a spoken language mainly through an

artificial means, i.e., reading. Because print

does not convey as much language information

that sound conveys, prelingually deaf

persons are deprived of auditory language

input. The result is diminished reading and

writing skills.

@Shei ,. Muy interesante y cierto lo que mencionas,.

Shei · Guru

bistor wrote:

Bainaman wrote: bistor wrote: Bainaman wrote: In your opinion.... In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!? Sign language, I suppose. Another interesting question is whether language is innate, or learned. Spoken language is learned. Body language is innate.......that's where sign language derrived from. There is a school of thought that thinks language is innate... that we all have a "language organ" in our brain, and that there is a universal grammar of sorts, for all languages. Purtee interesting stuff. Noam Chomsky is the main proponent of the theory.

en verdad ambas teorías .. tanto Chomsky con su innatismo, como otros autores como Watson quien dice que el lenguaje se aprende, tienen algo de cierto... Como seres humanos, geneticamente tenemos la potencialidad (innata) de aprender el leguaje, pero necesitamos de un "otro" (mundo social) que nos represente ese leguaje.

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Do you want the answer?

Yesssssss, please and thank you ... I wanna stop thinking

Bainaman · Foro Master

Miel wrote:

Regarding what language deaf ppl think in,.. eventhough they can not listen ,. they read lips,.. and that would depend in wich languaje they will think,. together with images,. etc,.. Sign language is the same in english and spanish,,. I guess it should be the same in any other language that use the ABC's,.. I learned a bit of sign language in Ecuador with two friends of mine,. and when I see ppl using sign language here,. I can understand a little bit,..

Sori Ah Miel!!!

But this is an inaccurate statement.

I'm talking about prelingually deaf people......meaning they have never in their lives....heard anything. How could they possibly read lips...if they don't know what that sounds like....or even know what the words mean.

Signed English...the type where people spell things out.....is totally different from SIGN...or SIGN LANGUAGE.

Sign Language varies from country to country.....just like any other language...Customs, traditions and concepts are different...

DJ PRIETO · Guru

MOst of the time I think in ENGLISH....but sometimes in Spanish specially if i'm talking to someone in spanish (actually correct term would be "CASTELLANO")

Good question Bainaman

El Representante · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

In what language do you think??

In english . . .

When I'm Counting In My Head I Often Find Myself Doing It In Spanish . . . Always Throws Me off . . .

-- Edited by El Representante at 11:18, 2006-03-16

Miel · Guru

Nice Topic,. I think in spanish most of the time,.. y cuando hablo conmigo misma tambien,. a veces en ingles,.. mi primer idioma es Español,...lo que los profesores de cualquier idioma dicen que cuando empiezad a pensar y soñar en el idioma que estas aprendiendo es cuando estas pasando a un nivel mas alto de aprendizaje,. porque empieza a ser parte de ti,. ya no traduces tus pensamientos,..

Regarding what language deaf ppl think in,.. eventhough they can not listen ,. they read lips,.. and that would depend in wich languaje they will think,. together with images,. etc,.. Sign language is the same in english and spanish,,. I guess it should be the same in any other language that use the ABC's,.. I learned a bit of sign language in Ecuador with two friends of mine,. and when I see ppl using sign language here,. I can understand a little bit,..

GENIE · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

In what language do you think??

italian

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Daeveed wrote:

I think body language is also learned.
Haven't you noticed that people tend to use the same body expressions first as their parents, and second as the ppl on TV?

Interesting story about this. I didnt meet my biological dad until I was around 12 years old but when I met him it was clear (even to me at the time) we have a lot of the same mannerisms and facial expressions. So I guess to a degree body language can be learned and mimic but some of it must also be innatelly hard coded into our brains.

Date: Mar 16 10:52 AM, 2006

bistor wrote:

Mi no spic eenglees.

LOL...

I mainly think in spanglish....

Jinx · TOP Guru

Mainly in French or Spanish, like Jules(Julie hope u don't mind if I call u that) I also count and dream in FrenchSpanish

bistor · Guru

Mi no spic eenglees.

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Ummm, so in what language do deaf people think in???

Oh, I say language is learned ... from my understanding if a child is exposed to as many languages as possible until they reach 5 they have the capability of learning them all

McOSIRIS · Comandante

I think in esperanto...

Guadalupana · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

Marky Mark wrote:
Wow, Baina.. glad u brought this up. I have always wondered this about multilingual speakers. I only know one language so I always wanted to know how others thought or dreamt. LB, spanish is not your first language but do u still think in spanish sometimes?
It's funny but I actually do.....i think in almost every language I speak.....but I count in english because of the everyday use of the language ...it's faster to count.....

that's interesting, i count in spanish, specially when it comes to counting in pairs, it's easier for me.

Chilenita · Comandante

I think in English always.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

Wow, Baina.. glad u brought this up. I have always wondered this about multilingual speakers. I only know one language so I always wanted to know how others thought or dreamt. LB, spanish is not your first language but do u still think in spanish sometimes?

It's funny but I actually do.....i think in almost every language I speak.....but I count in english because of the everyday use of the language ...it's faster to count.....

bistor · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

bistor wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
In your opinion....
In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!?

Sign language, I suppose.

Another interesting question is whether language is innate, or learned.

Spoken language is learned. Body language is innate.......that's where sign language derrived from.

There is a school of thought that thinks language is innate... that we all have a "language organ" in our brain, and that there is a universal grammar of sorts, for all languages. Purtee interesting stuff. Noam Chomsky is the main proponent of the theory.

Julie · Comandante

I think mostly in French, specially if I have to count, in Spanish and also Frañol

BTW, in which language do you count ? I realized that most of the pple that live in a country where the language spoken is not their own, they still count in their first language. That's the case for me, no matter what, I still count in French.

Daeveed · Foro Master

I think body language is also learned.

Haven't you noticed that people tend to use the same body expressions first as their parents, and second as the ppl on TV?

Bainaman · Foro Master

bistor wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
In your opinion....
In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!?

Sign language, I suppose.

Another interesting question is whether language is innate, or learned.

Spoken language is learned. Body language is innate.......that's where sign language derrived from.

bistor · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

In your opinion....
In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!?

Sign language, I suppose.

Another interesting question is whether language is innate, or learned.

Jade · Guru

I think in english...and I speak Spanglish...I ve tried to just speak in Spanish straigh buttttt it gets difficult cuz I forget how to say things sometimes! I am working on that rite now...I would like speak my native tongue fluently and not sound like a GREENGA...

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Wow, Baina.. glad u brought this up. I have always wondered this about multilingual speakers. I only know one language so I always wanted to know how others thought or dreamt.

LB, spanish is not your first language but do u still think in spanish sometimes?

Daeveed · Foro Master

I don't.

Lahtina · Foro Master

Ok, I gave it some more thought, not a lot on the way that I think and I suppose that I think in both languages. I completely rely on them both and sometimes, if you're also Spanish-English bilingual, you can tell in which language the thought emerged. When I say something in Italian, French or whatever, I must first think of it in Spanish (more often) and then translate it.

I was also thinking about the recorded cases in history where ppl missed those language acquisition years 2-12ish (somewhere around there) were pretty much "savages". How can you develop logical thinking without language?

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Lahtina wrote: No, well.. I'm thinking beyond this. We all think in concepts that have two parts = the concept and an acoustic image. They must certainly think in concepts but... I guess it has a visual image only. Anyway, I was wondering how restricted their range of thought can be? Their range of thought is limited. The way they think cannot possibly be as profound as people with a larger vocabulary. Do you want the answer?

Would they think in SIGN language?? as that is how they communicate??

I'm confused ... I was thinking in english, spanish, and spanglish ... and this is all I can THINK of

Bainaman · Foro Master

Lahtina wrote:

No, well.. I'm thinking beyond this. We all think in concepts that have two parts = the concept and an acoustic image. They must certainly think in concepts but... I guess it has a visual image only. Anyway, I was wondering how restricted their range of thought can be?

Their range of thought is limited. The way they think cannot possibly be as profound as people with a larger vocabulary.

Do you want the answer?

Lahtina · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Bainaman wrote: In your opinion.... In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!? That is actually a very, VERY interesting question. I can't imagine the answer. Ugh, it's too late to do research or something. I'm thinking about it though... in English. Think hard Lahtina....in whatever language you want..LOL But try to come up with it yourself......It's not as hard as it might seem..

No, well.. I'm thinking beyond this. We all think in concepts that have two parts = the concept and an acoustic image. They must certainly think in concepts but... I guess it has a visual image only.

Anyway, I was wondering how restricted their range of thought can be?

Dogo · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Bainaman wrote: In your opinion.... In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!? That is actually a very, VERY interesting question. I can't imagine the answer. Ugh, it's too late to do research or something. I'm thinking about it though... in English. Think hard Lahtina....in whatever language you want..LOL But try to come up with it yourself......It's not as hard as it might seem..

I'd say no language at all... strictly a visual memory of "things"

Bainaman · Foro Master

Lahtina wrote:

Bainaman wrote: In your opinion.... In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!? That is actually a very, VERY interesting question. I can't imagine the answer. Ugh, it's too late to do research or something. I'm thinking about it though... in English.

Think hard Lahtina....in whatever language you want..LOL

But try to come up with it yourself......It's not as hard as it might seem..

Lahtina · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

In your opinion.... In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!?

That is actually a very, VERY interesting question. I can't imagine the answer. Ugh, it's too late to do research or something. I'm thinking about it though... in English.

Bainaman · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

Bainaman wrote: In your opinion.... In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!? They think in Defingually

Thanks for coming out....

Try again.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

In your opinion.... In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!?

They think in Defingually

torontotrucho · Guru

Spanish.

Yeap. I'm always thinking in spanish. I live in my own microcosmos surrounded by weird people speaking english.

Bainaman · Foro Master

In your opinion....

In what language do prelingually deaf people think?!?!?

rick · Guru

mostly spanish .. at home spanish , at work i think mostly in english .

Lahtina · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

In what language do you think??

Depends on who/what I'm thinking about. I can even think in Italian, French o German... my range of thought is very limited there though.

I even think in Japanese... when I think about a Japanese person I want to say hello, goodbye or thank you to. That's pretty much my range of thought there.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

IT'S LIKE ASKING....

IN WHAT LANGUAGE DO YOU DREAM?

IT ALL DEPENDS.

A VECES YO PIENSO EN CHINO.....O EN UN CHINO....

LAB_ · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

In what language do you think??

these days... both english and spanish... I was even screaming in english tonight! Watta embarrasment.

It´s also that I don´t get to use a whole lot of Spanish on a daily basis. Still, my english is somehow far from consistent and so I get to even think using what I suppose are grammar horrors!

bistor · Guru

English or spanish. Depends.

Bainaman · Foro Master

In what language do you think??