Tim Horton's IPO

torontotrucho · Guru

RE: Tim Horton's IPO

Dogo · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

Dogo wrote: Marky Mark wrote: Wow, look at the brains on Jojo! I didn't know you were smart too! Maybe we should stop picking on you, you might actually have something up your sleeve! Are you mocking me, dude?!... are you? SIR, NO SIR!!!!!! or am I???

Ya I thought so, FKRRRRRR!

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Marky Mark wrote:
Wow, look at the brains on Jojo! I didn't know you were smart too! Maybe we should stop picking on you, you might actually have something up your sleeve!

Are you mocking me, dude?!... are you?

SIR, NO SIR!!!!!!

or am I???

Dogo · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

Wow, look at the brains on Jojo! I didn't know you were smart too! Maybe we should stop picking on you, you might actually have something up your sleeve!

Are you mocking me, dude?!... are you?

bistor · Guru

Julie wrote:

It's mostly how you present, promote your pdts and as well the customers you're targeting. so yes MARKTING / PACKAGNG, all the way.

Definitely... and marketing appeals to fickle consumers. Where is dunkin donuts? Hell, where is krispy kreme?

Again, this is very much an art... for all I know Tim Hortons could end up being the McDonalds of the donut and coffee world, but I think there are better places to invest my money.

To each their own though!

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Wow, look at the brains on Jojo! I didn't know you were smart too!

Maybe we should stop picking on you, you might actually have something up your sleeve!

Julie · Comandante

It's mostly how you present, promote your pdts and as well the customers you're targeting. so yes MARKTING / PACKAGNG, all the way.

Dogo · Comandante

bistor wrote:

There are already several hundred tim hortons in the states, and they aren't doing nearly aswell as the canadian ones. Time will tell, of course, but I don't see their product as being overwhelmingly superior to that of their american competitors. It's coffee and donuts!

I think about 250 in a 300 million market, vs 2500 in a 30 million market in Canada
You're right I can't see their products being much better than what they already have... but then again I don't see, for example, Starbucks coffee as "overwhelmingly" superior than your run of the mill italian coffee shop and look at them... I think its all simply in the marketing

Dogo · Comandante

bistor wrote:

Dogo wrote: bistor wrote: Never buy on an IPO... wait for it to come back down. You mean like Google? The initial offering of shares was sold for $85 a piece. The public valued it at $100.34 at the close of the first day of trading which saw 22,351,900 shares change hands.Since the IPO, Google's stock market capitalization has risen greatly and the stock price has nearly quadrupled since april 2004Today it trades at about $350 I wish I would've cashed in on that one Or like yahoo (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=YHOO&t=my, YHOO), ebay (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EBAY&t=my, EBAY), chicago mercantile exchange (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CME&t=my, CME), microsoft (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=my, MSFT), oracle (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ORCL&t=my, ORCL), etc., etc. Look at the charts... after the initial hype, they went down, and then back up again. They are good companies. But even good companies will fall if they are overvalued. True, some keep on going... google, starbucks... but I think those are flukes. Just an opinion though! I'm not a millionaire yet :).

That's 'cause you didn't buy Google stocks!! LOL

Thanks though, i don't have the time to go through all the links now, but I certainly will

bistor · Guru

There are already several hundred tim hortons in the states, and they aren't doing nearly aswell as the canadian ones. Time will tell, of course, but I don't see their product as being overwhelmingly superior to that of their american competitors. It's coffee and donuts!

Dogo · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

I know several companies have tried to compete against the $8 coffee drink that is Starbucks but have failed. I only see Timmies competing against already established Dunkin Donuts and King of Donuts: Krispy Kremes. Americans don't understand our fixation with Timmies coffee... they only see it as a donut shop... which again, Canadians favor more than Americans.

True dat, but that's also how canadians saw timmies a few years ago... just another raunchy-smoke-filled-tabacco-tasting-donuts coffee shop.. until they changed the atmosphere in their stores and made it look mildly upscale with alright coffee at a buck+, a good compromise.... sort of a "niche" that no one had tapped into before

bistor · Guru

Dogo wrote:

bistor wrote: Never buy on an IPO... wait for it to come back down. You mean like Google? The initial offering of shares was sold for $85 a piece. The public valued it at $100.34 at the close of the first day of trading which saw 22,351,900 shares change hands.Since the IPO, Google's stock market capitalization has risen greatly and the stock price has nearly quadrupled since april 2004Today it trades at about $350 I wish I would've cashed in on that one

Or like yahoo (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=YHOO&t=my, YHOO), ebay (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EBAY&t=my, EBAY), chicago mercantile exchange (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CME&t=my, CME), microsoft (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=my, MSFT), oracle (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ORCL&t=my, ORCL), etc., etc.

Look at the charts... after the initial hype, they went down, and then back up again. They are good companies. But even good companies will fall if they are overvalued.

True, some keep on going... google, starbucks... but I think those are flukes.

Just an opinion though! I'm not a millionaire yet :).

Marky Mark · Foro Master

I know several companies have tried to compete against the $8 coffee drink that is Starbucks but have failed. I only see Timmies competing against already established Dunkin Donuts and King of Donuts: Krispy Kremes.

Americans don't understand our fixation with Timmies coffee... they only see it as a donut shop... which again, Canadians favor more than Americans.

Regardless, I don't see any financial problems facing Tims right either, so I agree with Jojo, the stock will only go up.

Dogo · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

I just heard this morning on the radio that Tim Hortons is planning on going public, looking to make $600 million with their IPO. Shares are going to be about $23-$24 each. Anyone play the market? I would like to get into it myself but need to do more research. I like that guy on Mad Money I believe it's MSNBC, he's fun to watch. mmmmm, medium double double.

I say you go for it…. my opinion is that it can only go up… they’re only starting to tap into the north american market, if they market it nearly as well as they have in Canada, I bet you it will be the poormans Starbucks of the states in a few years

Dogo · Comandante

bistor wrote:

Never buy on an IPO... wait for it to come back down.

You mean like Google?

The initial offering of shares was sold for $85 a piece. The public valued it at $100.34 at the close of the first day of trading which saw 22,351,900 shares change hands.
Since the IPO, Google's stock market capitalization has risen greatly and the stock price has nearly quadrupled since april 2004
Today it trades at about $350

I wish I would've cashed in on that one

Julie · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Marky Mark wrote: Thanks again Guada! And Baina, what was your post? Sori ah! I don't remember what I wrote now.... That was soooo about an hour ago! LOL

Go for a Timmy's then ! It might wake you up and refresh your memory in you add some ice cube LOL

Bainaman · Foro Master

Marky Mark wrote:

Thanks again Guada!

And Baina, what was your post?

Sori ah!

I don't remember what I wrote now....

That was soooo about an hour ago!

LOL

bistor · Guru

There's a lot of hype surrounding IPO's.

More likely than not, the stock will eventually come down (once the hype has deflated).

If it's a good company, it will go back up again afterwards. Just the humble opinion of humble me.

Marky Mark · Foro Master

bistor wrote:

Advisor's are a scam.
Never buy on an IPO... wait for it to come back down.

Wow, you're the first person to ever tell me to stay away from an IPO! I gotta watch more Mad Money!

Julie · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

Thanks again Guada! And Baina, what was your post?

B.U.T.T

Heeellooooooooooooooooooo ! Anybody home ?

bistor · Guru

Advisor's are a scam.

Never buy on an IPO... wait for it to come back down.

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Thanks again Guada!

And Baina, what was your post?

Guadalupana · Foro Master

MM-- check your PM. Hope it helps you find what you're looking for.

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Having an advisor is also good, because he's getting constant up to date market info. which he can then relay to you.
If you do it on your own you have to do this "updating porfolio up keep" yourself.
I feel more secure knowing that i have someone looking after my investments even while on vacation. Just one less thing to worry about. But don't me wrong, i keep careful track of the investments. I requested to have a monthly statement sent to me to show the progress.

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Julie wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
Julie wrote: that was weird.....I swear I wrote a reply and quoted Julie......Don't know why it didn't show up... -- Edited by Bainaman at 08:41, 2006-02-28
So ? the reply was ????

LOL... yeah I'm curious too

@ Guada: I may do that too but what percentage or fee does your advisor charge?

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Marky Mark wrote:

Do you have an advisor or do you make the decisions yourself? Or do you let someone else do it for you? I am interested in learning more about this and not sure if I should proceed without an advisor.

We have an advisor, he suggests to us what would be best for our portfolio and breaks it down up to where the last dollar is being invested.
It's best to have an advisors help, or at least give you his two cents.

Julie · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Julie wrote: that was weird.....I swear I wrote a reply and quoted Julie......Don't know why it didn't show up... -- Edited by Bainaman at 08:41, 2006-02-28

So ? the reply was ????

Marky Mark · Foro Master

Do you have an advisor or do you make the decisions yourself? Or do you let someone else do it for you? I am interested in learning more about this and not sure if I should proceed without an advisor.

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Marky Mark wrote:

I love his Sound FX, he's like the Emeril of stocks.. gets u hyped on a relatively boring subject matter.

That is true, i like the way he engages you.
I for one don't invest in risky stocks, more of a conservative investor myself. At least i'm guaranteed some form of return...slowly but surely.

Marky Mark · Foro Master

no thread ruined! actually Lah and I were out last night and we had some Timmies... what a difference from the coffee I have at work - 10 times better and it's decent stuff but just shows how beans/processing make a huge difference!

Bainaman · Foro Master

Julie wrote:

that was weird.....I swear I wrote a reply and quoted Julie......Don't know why it didn't show up...

-- Edited by Bainaman at 08:41, 2006-02-28

Marky Mark · Foro Master

I love his Sound FX, he's like the Emeril of stocks.. gets u hyped on a relatively boring subject matter.

Julie · Comandante

Sorry MM but talking about Timmy's on a diffrent quick note (don't want to ruin the thread)

The other day I stopped at Timmy's on my way to work and I thought, we know someone who orders is strange but listen to this one.

"Can I have a large triple double with 1 cream, 1 milk, 1 2% milk (might it be the Homo one ), 1 sugar and 1 sweatner."

How about this one, ehhh ! She should have asked from some ice cube as well LOL

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Marky Mark wrote:

I just heard this morning on the radio that Tim Hortons is planning on going public, looking to make $600 million with their IPO. Shares are going to be about $23-$24 each.

Anyone play the market? I would like to get into it myself but need to do more research. I like that guy on Mad Money I believe it's MSNBC, he's fun to watch.

mmmmm, medium double double.

That guy is C_R_A_Z_Y! but he gives great advice and info.

Marky Mark · Foro Master

I just heard this morning on the radio that Tim Hortons is planning on going public, looking to make $600 million with their IPO. Shares are going to be about $23-$24 each.

Anyone play the market? I would like to get into it myself but need to do more research. I like that guy on Mad Money I believe it's MSNBC, he's fun to watch.

mmmmm, medium double double.