No I won't do it ! What happened to the circle of life ?
Altough, I will, if I have the money, crio... a part of the umbilical cord of my baby(ies) ! Just in case the have a terrible disease and no match to help. I know, it might not make sense with what I wrote earlier but I can't imagine myself watching my baby(ies) dying without a try ! Don't get me wrong, I am not either for "life at all cost", meaning if there is no qlty of life behind it, well, who knows, omg, this is so hard to know what is the best thing to do in those cases.
So to stick you "TO FREEZE OR NOT TO FREEZE??", no I am not interested !
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Corpses Frozen for Future Rebirth by Arizona Company Stefan Lovgren for National Geographic News March 18, 2005 In a nondescript office building near the airport in Scottsdale, Arizona, the Alcor Life Extension Foundation is selling a shot at immortality. Inside, 67 bodies—mostly just severed heads—lay cryogenically preserved in steel tanks filled with liquid nitrogen, waiting for the day when science can figure out a way to reanimate them. But is deathlessness really a scientific possibility? Joseph Waynick, Alcor's president and chief executive, certainly thinks so. "When physicians first wanted to transplant a heart from one person to another, they were laughed at and told it was impossible," he said. "I have no doubt the technology [to revive life] will become available." Many cryobiologists, however, scoff at the idea, contending that the practice is little more than a pipe dream and that current "patients" will never be successfully revived. "Even if, in our wildest dreams, this proved possible in the future, the end result would be the preservation of a dead body, not the suspended animation of a person," said Michael Taylor, a Charleston, South Carolina-based cryobiologist with Organ Recovery Systems, a company specializing in transplant medicine. Ice Crystallization The prospect of cheating death raises a host of philosophical, moral, and religious questions. But let's consider only the scientific aspects. Even proponents of cryonics, the practice of storing entire organisms (or at least their brains) for future revival, admit there is no scientific evidence that a cryopreserved human will ever be revived. No one even knows what technology would have to be developed to reverse the preservation. Many questions surround the cryopreservation process itself. In cryopreservation, cells and tissues are stored at frigid, cryogenic temperatures—where metabolism and decay are almost stopped—for future revival at normal temperatures. But scientists have long known that the freezing process creates ice crystals, which destroy cells and cellular structures. A few years ago, cryobiologists discovered a new preservation process, called vitrification, which virtually eliminates ice-crystal formation. Rather than freezing the tissue, vitrification suspends it in a highly viscous glassy state. In this mode, molecules remain in a disordered state, as in a fluid, rather than forming a crystalline structure. alph Merkle, a nanotechnology expert at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, calls vitrification the greatest advancement in the field of cryonics. "The preservation that we're able to do today is adequate to preserve the critical information that we believe is important to the human personality and human memory," said Merkle, who is an Alcor board member. Alcor, which is one of only two cryonics firms in the United States, now uses vitrification to cryopreserve human brains. Skeptics, however, say there is no evidence that such large structures can be successfully vitrified. About 80 percent of Alcor's "patients" have had only their heads cryopreserved. (The company's most famous patient, Baseball Hall of Fame slugger Ted Williams, has had his head and torso cryopreserved.) "The brain is what houses your identity. It has your memories, all your stored experiences," Waynick said. "Without the brain, you might as well clone an individual, because you have a completely new person." Alcor continues to use glycerol-based freezing for patients who have their whole bodies preserved, since vitrification of an entire body is beyond current technical capabilities. Fracturing While vitrification circumvents some of the problems associated with freezing, it raises other issues. Scientists must impregnate tissues with high concentrations of cryoprotective chemicals that promote the vitreous state, but these are potentially toxic. Another concern is the cooling rate needed to vitrify large organs. Some scientists say vitrification requires high cooling rates that are typically not achievable at the center of large objects. "If you talk about the brain, we can achieve very high cooling rates at the outer surface of the brain, but the cooling rate at the center will be lower than the critical one required for vitrification," said Yoed Rabin, a cryopreservation specialist at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. That view is "not strictly correct," contends Brian Wowk, an Alcor advisor and senior scientist at 21st Century Medicine, a California-based company specializing in medical cryopreservation applications. In an e-mail, Wowk said vitrification via very low cooling rates can be achieved, provided the right cryoprotectant solution in sufficient concentration is used. A third issue with vitrification is that it may lead to fracturing of the brain. "One major fracture may prevent recovery of the brain as an organ," Rabin said. "We know that vitrification of large objects very frequently involves a huge number of micro-fractures as well." The chances of cracking and fractures increase with the size of the specimen. Taylor, the Charleston cryobiologist, contends that vitrification is currently only successful for small tissue samples. "We are still unable to cryopreserve an intact organ such as a kidney or heart by either a freezing or vitrification approach," he said. "It is inconceivable, therefore, that these techniques will ever permit the long-term preservation of a whole body, especially a dead body." Repairing Damage But cryonics advocates believe that advancements in nanotechnology will ultimately make it possible for scientists to repair any freezing or fracturing damage. "Being able to manipulate matter at the cellular level will enable us to repair a lot of the damage that occurs to an individual during the cryopreservation process today," Waynick said, "especially those patients that were cryopreserved in the earlier years, where there was a significant amount of ice damage during the freezing process." In the future, breakthroughs in stem cell research and cellular regeneration may enable scientists to regenerate a new body from a person's existing DNA and attach it to the person's cryopreserved brain, Waynick speculates. "A cure also has to be found for whatever caused your death in the first place," he said. "If you die of lung cancer or kidney failure, those diseases would need to be conquered, or it wouldn't do much good to revive you." But Rabin, the Carnegie Mellon professor, said there is another problem with restoring a brain to its original state. "Even if, by some miracle, all brain cells can be revived, the idea that memories and personality could also be revived is completely not clear," he said. He uses an analogy from the computer world to describe how the loss of communication between the brain cells affects the memory of the brain. "Information is lost when the power of a computer is turned off, even if it's only an instantaneous event and even if no harm is done to the memory chips," Rabin said. "On the other hand we know that harm is done to the memory cells in cryopreservation of biological materials, and we know that the lines of communication between memory cells are devastated and lost," he said.
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Corpses Frozen for Future Rebirth by Arizona Company Stefan Lovgren for National Geographic News March 18, 2005
In a nondescript office building near the airport in Scottsdale, Arizona, the Alcor Life Extension Foundation is selling a shot at immortality.
Inside, 67 bodies—mostly just severed heads—lay cryogenically preserved in steel tanks filled with liquid nitrogen, waiting for the day when science can figure out a way to reanimate them.
But is deathlessness really a scientific possibility?
Joseph Waynick, Alcor's president and chief executive, certainly thinks so. "When physicians first wanted to transplant a heart from one person to another, they were laughed at and told it was impossible," he said. "I have no doubt the technology [to revive life] will become available."
Many cryobiologists, however, scoff at the idea, contending that the practice is little more than a pipe dream and that current "patients" will never be successfully revived.
"Even if, in our wildest dreams, this proved possible in the future, the end result would be the preservation of a dead body, not the suspended animation of a person," said Michael Taylor, a Charleston, South Carolina-based cryobiologist with Organ Recovery Systems, a company specializing in transplant medicine.
Ice Crystallization
The prospect of cheating death raises a host of philosophical, moral, and religious questions. But let's consider only the scientific aspects.
Even proponents of cryonics, the practice of storing entire organisms (or at least their brains) for future revival, admit there is no scientific evidence that a cryopreserved human will ever be revived. No one even knows what technology would have to be developed to reverse the preservation.
Many questions surround the cryopreservation process itself. In cryopreservation, cells and tissues are stored at frigid, cryogenic temperatures—where metabolism and decay are almost stopped—for future revival at normal temperatures.
But scientists have long known that the freezing process creates ice crystals, which destroy cells and cellular structures.
A few years ago, cryobiologists discovered a new preservation process, called vitrification, which virtually eliminates ice-crystal formation. Rather than freezing the tissue, vitrification suspends it in a highly viscous glassy state. In this mode, molecules remain in a disordered state, as in a fluid, rather than forming a crystalline structure.
alph Merkle, a nanotechnology expert at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, calls vitrification the greatest advancement in the field of cryonics.
"The preservation that we're able to do today is adequate to preserve the critical information that we believe is important to the human personality and human memory," said Merkle, who is an Alcor board member.
Alcor, which is one of only two cryonics firms in the United States, now uses vitrification to cryopreserve human brains. Skeptics, however, say there is no evidence that such large structures can be successfully vitrified.
About 80 percent of Alcor's "patients" have had only their heads cryopreserved. (The company's most famous patient, Baseball Hall of Fame slugger Ted Williams, has had his head and torso cryopreserved.)
"The brain is what houses your identity. It has your memories, all your stored experiences," Waynick said. "Without the brain, you might as well clone an individual, because you have a completely new person."
Alcor continues to use glycerol-based freezing for patients who have their whole bodies preserved, since vitrification of an entire body is beyond current technical capabilities.
Fracturing
While vitrification circumvents some of the problems associated with freezing, it raises other issues. Scientists must impregnate tissues with high concentrations of cryoprotective chemicals that promote the vitreous state, but these are potentially toxic.
Another concern is the cooling rate needed to vitrify large organs. Some scientists say vitrification requires high cooling rates that are typically not achievable at the center of large objects.
"If you talk about the brain, we can achieve very high cooling rates at the outer surface of the brain, but the cooling rate at the center will be lower than the critical one required for vitrification," said Yoed Rabin, a cryopreservation specialist at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
That view is "not strictly correct," contends Brian Wowk, an Alcor advisor and senior scientist at 21st Century Medicine, a California-based company specializing in medical cryopreservation applications. In an e-mail, Wowk said vitrification via very low cooling rates can be achieved, provided the right cryoprotectant solution in sufficient concentration is used.
A third issue with vitrification is that it may lead to fracturing of the brain.
"One major fracture may prevent recovery of the brain as an organ," Rabin said. "We know that vitrification of large objects very frequently involves a huge number of micro-fractures as well."
The chances of cracking and fractures increase with the size of the specimen.
Taylor, the Charleston cryobiologist, contends that vitrification is currently only successful for small tissue samples.
"We are still unable to cryopreserve an intact organ such as a kidney or heart by either a freezing or vitrification approach," he said. "It is inconceivable, therefore, that these techniques will ever permit the long-term preservation of a whole body, especially a dead body."
Repairing Damage
But cryonics advocates believe that advancements in nanotechnology will ultimately make it possible for scientists to repair any freezing or fracturing damage.
"Being able to manipulate matter at the cellular level will enable us to repair a lot of the damage that occurs to an individual during the cryopreservation process today," Waynick said, "especially those patients that were cryopreserved in the earlier years, where there was a significant amount of ice damage during the freezing process."
In the future, breakthroughs in stem cell research and cellular regeneration may enable scientists to regenerate a new body from a person's existing DNA and attach it to the person's cryopreserved brain, Waynick speculates.
"A cure also has to be found for whatever caused your death in the first place," he said. "If you die of lung cancer or kidney failure, those diseases would need to be conquered, or it wouldn't do much good to revive you."
But Rabin, the Carnegie Mellon professor, said there is another problem with restoring a brain to its original state.
"Even if, by some miracle, all brain cells can be revived, the idea that memories and personality could also be revived is completely not clear," he said.
He uses an analogy from the computer world to describe how the loss of communication between the brain cells affects the memory of the brain.
"Information is lost when the power of a computer is turned off, even if it's only an instantaneous event and even if no harm is done to the memory chips," Rabin said.
"On the other hand we know that harm is done to the memory cells in cryopreservation of biological materials, and we know that the lines of communication between memory cells are devastated and lost," he said.
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Daeveed wrote: DJ PRIETO wrote: Daeveed wrote: DJ PRIETO wrote: okay.....I would not do it cause maybe no one wakes me up in the future...lol as opposed to dying, where someone might?? True, but Daveed this is tough one.....it's hard to really know what you would do! Sometimes i think yes and no....bap!
Yeah i know what you mean. No one has been brought back to life yet, but there are many cryogenided ones. I believe Einstein's brain is cryogenized.
On April 18, 1955, the great mathematician and physicist Albert Einstein died. He was 76 years old. Although Einstein's body was cremated, his brain was saved. Dr. Thomas S. Harvey, a pathologist at Princeton Hospital, removed Einstein’s brain on the morning of Einstein's death. What happened to the brain for years after this is somewhat of a mystery.
When you are dead you are done, living once is a hell of a ride, that thing sounds more like Frankenstein, you know, put me in the freezer for 20 years and after defrost me for 20 mins.....Living once in this place is enough, so enjoy it !
Ted Williams is the baseball player Jaime was refering to.
He's frozen.......However.....He's dead! Until someone figures out how to resucitate someone from the dead a la Jesus (sorry...i had to ).....then the process is only half way....
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DJ PRIETO wrote: Daeveed wrote: DJ PRIETO wrote: okay.....I would not do it cause maybe no one wakes me up in the future...lol as opposed to dying, where someone might?? True, but Daveed this is tough one.....it's hard to really know what you would do! Sometimes i think yes and no....bap! Yeah i know what you mean. No one has been brought back to life yet, but there are many cryogenided ones. I believe Einstein's brain is cryogenized.
KOOL!! Shiat I never knew that..learn something evryday!
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Ummmmmmmmm, before I answer this question ... I need to know what the procedure us to FREEZE me ... Are needles involved?? ... must I drink something ... how does this thing work ...
Ummm, all in all though I would say HELL NOOOOOOOOOO!!
Just because I believe I have a soul and how u gonna freeze that
Q: Was Walt Disney cryogenically preserved after death? A: Quite the opposite, Walt's daughter Diane recalls that her father spoke frequently about his desire to be cremated which, in fact, he was.
No researcher has discovered where this myth began, but it certainly is widespread. When Disney archivist Robert Tieman researched the issue, he discovered that the first attempts at freezing a person weren't even discussed until after Walt's death.
In any case, the people who knew Walt and loved him never heard him utter a word about trying it out himself. What's more, his family lingered around him for some time after his death. No white-smocked physicians rushed his body off to some kind of freezing chamber, as would undoubtedly have been the case if he were being preserved.
Walt's remains are currently interred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California.
DJ PRIETO wrote: Daeveed wrote: DJ PRIETO wrote: okay.....I would not do it cause maybe no one wakes me up in the future...lol as opposed to dying, where someone might?? True, but Daveed this is tough one.....it's hard to really know what you would do! Sometimes i think yes and no....bap! Yeah i know what you mean. No one has been brought back to life yet, but there are many cryogenided ones. I believe Einstein's brain is cryogenized.
Haven't they brought animals back? (like a goat or some')
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Daeveed wrote: DJ PRIETO wrote: okay.....I would not do it cause maybe no one wakes me up in the future...lol as opposed to dying, where someone might?? True, but Daveed this is tough one.....it's hard to really know what you would do! Sometimes i think yes and no....bap!
Yeah i know what you mean.
No one has been brought back to life yet, but there are many cryogenided ones.
Would you consider being cryogenically preserved? What do you think about the issue in general?? Pros? Cons? Ethics? How long would you tell them to keep you in that state for??
I heard of this guy that has it all set up so that when he's ready to go they'll only freeze his head!... ....until medicine is advanced enough to be able to do something with just that. (head transplant I suppose) He also mentioned it's cheaper (figures)
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DJ PRIETO wrote: okay.....I would not do it cause maybe no one wakes me up in the future...lol as opposed to dying, where someone might??
True, but Daveed this is tough one.....it's hard to really know what you would do! Sometimes i think yes and no....bap!
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Jaime Cruz wrote: Daeveed wrote: I would. But I'd do it if I had a terminal disease, and I'd tell them to cryogenize me until a cure was found....or until we destroy the eart, whichever comes first...... If I could afford it I would do it. I could come back decades later Austin Powers style. but then u'll lose ur Mojo! who wants to lose that?? As for the cryogeni-thingy-ma-jiggy, I would have to say no. The cycle is you're born, you live u're life and then you die - that's it. Has this been actually done yet tho? Is this at all possible? have they actually frozen a person and brought that person back to life? I wouldn't want to be the pilot project on this one... -- Edited by Luna Chiquitita at 10:14, 2006-01-12
There are just 2 people that are frozen as we speak. Walt Disney and some baseball player... I can't remember his name.
okay.....I would not do it cause maybe no one wakes me up in the future...lol
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Daeveed wrote: I would. But I'd do it if I had a terminal disease, and I'd tell them to cryogenize me until a cure was found....or until we destroy the eart, whichever comes first...... If I could afford it I would do it. I could come back decades later Austin Powers style.
but then u'll lose ur Mojo! who wants to lose that??
As for the cryogeni-thingy-ma-jiggy, I would have to say no. The cycle is you're born, you live u're life and then you die - that's it.
Has this been actually done yet tho? Is this at all possible? have they actually frozen a person and brought that person back to life? I wouldn't want to be the pilot project on this one...
I would. But I'd do it if I had a terminal disease, and I'd tell them to cryogenize me until a cure was found....or until we destroy the eart, whichever comes first......
If I could afford it I would do it. I could come back decades later Austin Powers style.
I would. But I'd do it if I had a terminal disease, and I'd tell them to cryogenize me until a cure was found....or until we destroy the eart, whichever comes first......
I would have to think about it vato......i'll get to you
Let's see......
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Would you consider being cryogenically preserved? What do you think about the issue in general?? Pros? Cons? Ethics? How long would you tell them to keep you in that state for??
cryoge what?
Does that mean preserved in tears?
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).....then the process is only half way....
