Sexual Ethics

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RE: Sexual Ethics

Dogo · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

McOSIRIS wrote: TV Buff wrote: I think they just feared women because they know we're superior beings. All throughout history they've always made sure they treat women as inferior. A-holes! Anyway, this whole thing is really fascinating. I wanna know what their argument is for now allowing women to be priestesses (sp??). I know I could look it up, but then, what will Lahtina do with all her free time? Right, X@avier? RIIIIIIIIGHT!!!! You shouldn't be responding to this, you wannabe cintillo-rosado-wearing-drag-McPrincess...

He doesn't wear cintillo rosado!! lol!

McOSIRIS · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

McOSIRIS wrote: TV Buff wrote: I think they just feared women because they know we're superior beings. All throughout history they've always made sure they treat women as inferior. A-holes! Anyway, this whole thing is really fascinating. I wanna know what their argument is for now allowing women to be priestesses (sp??). I know I could look it up, but then, what will Lahtina do with all her free time? Right, X@avier? RIIIIIIIIGHT!!!! You shouldn't be responding to this, you wannabe cintillo-rosado-wearing-drag-McPrincess...

looks like you haven't noticed my sarcasm....

TV Buff · TOP Guru

McOSIRIS wrote:

TV Buff wrote: I think they just feared women because they know we're superior beings. All throughout history they've always made sure they treat women as inferior. A-holes! Anyway, this whole thing is really fascinating. I wanna know what their argument is for now allowing women to be priestesses (sp??). I know I could look it up, but then, what will Lahtina do with all her free time? Right, X@avier? RIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!

You shouldn't be responding to this, you wannabe cintillo-rosado-wearing-drag-McPrincess...

McOSIRIS · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

I think they just feared women because they know we're superior beings. All throughout history they've always made sure they treat women as inferior. A-holes! Anyway, this whole thing is really fascinating. I wanna know what their argument is for now allowing women to be priestesses (sp??). I know I could look it up, but then, what will Lahtina do with all her free time? Right, X@avier?

RIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!

TV Buff · TOP Guru

X4v13r wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Thx X. Wow... all this is so fascinating. I'd really love to know why women were considered less pure? Was it because of the whole period deal? Or why? How could any man have a problem with that (assuming this was the problem) but not have a problem with putting his wee wee up another man's pooper? true true........but i think it had to do with the fact that it was an all-male priesthood and the church had all the power, like they say if u want to keep the power keep it in the family plus women were seen as an inferior person in every respect. X@vier

I think they just feared women because they know we're superior beings. All throughout history they've always made sure they treat women as inferior. A-holes! Anyway, this whole thing is really fascinating. I wanna know what their argument is for now allowing women to be priestesses (sp??). I know I could look it up, but then, what will Lahtina do with all her free time? Right, X@avier?

X4v13r · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Thx X. Wow... all this is so fascinating. I'd really love to know why women were considered less pure? Was it because of the whole period deal? Or why? How could any man have a problem with that (assuming this was the problem) but not have a problem with putting his wee wee up another man's pooper?

true true........but i think it had to do with the fact that it was an all-male priesthood and the church had all the power, like they say if u want to keep the power keep it in the family plus women were seen as an inferior person in every respect.

X@vier

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: Thx X. Wow... all this is so fascinating. I'd really love to know why women were considered less pure? Was it because of the whole period deal? Or why? How could any man have a problem with that (assuming this was the problem) but not have a problem with putting his wee wee up another man's pooper? i just tasted my lunch BTW, what are you in kidergarden??? "wee wee"? "pooper"?......... do you still go "peepee" and "poopoo"??!! Otro! Yes, of course I go peepee. And no, of course I don't go poopoo. Everyone knows that women don't crap, fart or burp.

That explains the attitude I guess............ you're constantly about to explode!!!

Lahtina · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Thx X. Wow... all this is so fascinating. I'd really love to know why women were considered less pure? Was it because of the whole period deal? Or why? How could any man have a problem with that (assuming this was the problem) but not have a problem with putting his wee wee up another man's pooper? i just tasted my lunch BTW, what are you in kidergarden??? "wee wee"? "pooper"?......... do you still go "peepee" and "poopoo"??!!

Otro! Yes, of course I go peepee. And no, of course I don't go poopoo. Everyone knows that women don't crap, fart or burp.

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Thx X. Wow... all this is so fascinating. I'd really love to know why women were considered less pure? Was it because of the whole period deal? Or why? How could any man have a problem with that (assuming this was the problem) but not have a problem with putting his wee wee up another man's pooper?

i just tasted my lunch

BTW, what are you in kidergarden??? "wee wee"? "pooper"?......... do you still go "peepee" and "poopoo"??!!

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Lahtina wrote:

Thx X. Wow... all this is so fascinating. I'd really love to know why women were considered less pure? Was it because of the whole period deal? Or why? How could any man have a problem with that (assuming this was the problem) but not have a problem with putting his wee wee up another man's pooper?

Ummm I'd like to know too ... I mean the period is only once a month ... but the other one well one may go daily

Lahtina · Foro Master

Thx X. Wow... all this is so fascinating. I'd really love to know why women were considered less pure? Was it because of the whole period deal? Or why? How could any man have a problem with that (assuming this was the problem) but not have a problem with putting his wee wee up another man's pooper?

X4v13r · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

A history of celibacy link
Or if you wanna skip a lot of it here is an excerpt of the same article:
A further and very important factor in the push to require celibacy for clergy was the problematic relationship the Roman Catholic Church had with real estate and inherited land. Priests and bishops were not just religious leaders: they also had political power over the people. When they controlled land, which was at the time the basis for any political power, that land could either go to the church or to the man's heirs when he died.
Naturally the church wanted to keep it and retain political power itself; the best way to do that was to ensure that there weren't any rival claimants on the land, and keeping the clergy celibate and unmarried was the easiest way to accomplish this goal. Making celibacy a religious obligation was also the best way to make sure that the clergy obeyed.
Thus, the history of clerical celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church is one of contingency and political expediency - there was nothing necessary about it, and that's why it cannot be regarded as a an essential feature of the priesthood today. That is also why there are so many married Roman Catholic priests in the world. -- Edited by Lahtina at 19:29, 2006-01-06

thnx for the link

and i found this interesting, the fact that it relates to the initial post.

"Over time rules about the sexual abstinence grew out of the belief that sexual intercourse made a person "unclean," based in part on the idea that women were less pure than men and hence constituted a form of ritual contamination.
Although the value of celibacy has also long rested upon the belief that self-renunciation made a person more holy, the continued existence of an all-male priesthood means that the importance of celibacy cannot be divorced from an accompanying view of women as being less moral and less worthy than men."

X@vier

Lahtina · Foro Master

A history of celibacy link

Or if you wanna skip a lot of it here is an excerpt of the same article:

A further and very important factor in the push to require celibacy for clergy was the problematic relationship the Roman Catholic Church had with real estate and inherited land. Priests and bishops were not just religious leaders: they also had political power over the people. When they controlled land, which was at the time the basis for any political power, that land could either go to the church or to the man's heirs when he died.

Naturally the church wanted to keep it and retain political power itself; the best way to do that was to ensure that there weren't any rival claimants on the land, and keeping the clergy celibate and unmarried was the easiest way to accomplish this goal. Making celibacy a religious obligation was also the best way to make sure that the clergy obeyed.

Thus, the history of clerical celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church is one of contingency and political expediency - there was nothing necessary about it, and that's why it cannot be regarded as a an essential feature of the priesthood today. That is also why there are so many married Roman Catholic priests in the world.

-- Edited by Lahtina at 19:29, 2006-01-06

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

X4v13r wrote:

The Roman army was the most powerful in their time and many believe it was because they where all lovers ............they thought that if u fought beside the one that u love, u would do whatever it takes to save/protect that person By the way the greeks are known for liking it or giving it up the a$$, now we know y. X@vier

OMG!!!!

I learn too much in EL FORO!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

X4v13r · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

TV Buff wrote:
Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: So this is an interesting chart on religion and sexual ethics. Interesting chart on Religion and Sexual Ethics Yeah, interesting for people with a brain, I forgot to mention. Does anyone know why clergy men aren't allowed to marry within the Catholic church? Wild guess, because they're married to God or Jesus or something like that? Does this have a greek foundation? BTW, I found the original posting fascinating. The responses, not so much.

LOL, I know... but then again how do you respond to that?
Anyway, about that clergy question. This is what I heard (yes, heard not read) so I don't know if it's reliable or not but some time ago clergy men were allowed to marry and in fact did. When they died, the heirs of all the accumulated riches was the wife and family. Then there was a pope who said, how could this be? The only one who should get anything is the church itself so then mandatory celibacy was imposed on all priests.
That's what I heard. I'm gonna have to research this myself.

wow interesting stuff, if u find a link hook it up, I would like to know more about this.

X@vier

X4v13r · Comandante

The Roman army was the most powerful in their time and many believe it was because they where all lovers

............they thought that if u fought beside the one that u love, u would do whatever it takes to save/protect that person

By the way the greeks are known for liking it or giving it up the a$$, now we know y.

X@vier

Lahtina · Foro Master

TV Buff wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: So this is an interesting chart on religion and sexual ethics. Interesting chart on Religion and Sexual Ethics Yeah, interesting for people with a brain, I forgot to mention. Does anyone know why clergy men aren't allowed to marry within the Catholic church? Wild guess, because they're married to God or Jesus or something like that? Does this have a greek foundation? BTW, I found the original posting fascinating. The responses, not so much.

LOL, I know... but then again how do you respond to that?

Anyway, about that clergy question. This is what I heard (yes, heard not read) so I don't know if it's reliable or not but some time ago clergy men were allowed to marry and in fact did. When they died, the heirs of all the accumulated riches was the wife and family. Then there was a pope who said, how could this be? The only one who should get anything is the church itself so then mandatory celibacy was imposed on all priests.

That's what I heard. I'm gonna have to research this myself.

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Lahtina wrote:

Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: So this is an interesting chart on religion and sexual ethics. Interesting chart on Religion and Sexual Ethics Yeah, interesting for people with a brain, I forgot to mention. Does anyone know why clergy men aren't allowed to marry within the Catholic church?

Wild guess, because they're married to God or Jesus or something like that? Does this have a greek foundation? BTW, I found the original posting fascinating. The responses, not so much.

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: So this is an interesting chart on religion and sexual ethics. Interesting chart on Religion and Sexual Ethics Yeah, interesting for people with a brain, I forgot to mention. Does anyone know why clergy men aren't allowed to marry within the Catholic church?

Lahtina · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Lahtina wrote: So this is an interesting chart on religion and sexual ethics. Interesting chart on Religion and Sexual Ethics

Yeah, interesting for people with a brain, I forgot to mention.

Does anyone know why clergy men aren't allowed to marry within the Catholic church?

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

So this is an interesting chart on religion and sexual ethics. Interesting chart on Religion and Sexual Ethics

Lahtina · Foro Master

So this is an interesting chart on religion and sexual ethics.

Interesting chart on Religion and Sexual Ethics

Lahtina · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Bainaman wrote: OK!!! So because I take care of my self and am conscious of my hygiene.....You two have a problem with that??? Better than having a hairy smelly, watchumacallit.......all dry and nasty!!! @ Lahtina - You're telling me that a guys hygiene is not important to you???? No man!!! I think it's errrr........ cute........in a real "marica" kinda way, but cute nonetheless

Actually yes, I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with Dogo there. Una cosa es la higiene y otra las mariconadas.

Dogo · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

OK!!! So because I take care of my self and am conscious of my hygiene.....You two have a problem with that??? Better than having a hairy smelly, watchumacallit.......all dry and nasty!!! @ Lahtina - You're telling me that a guys hygiene is not important to you????

No man!!! I think it's errrr........ cute........in a real "marica" kinda way, but cute nonetheless

Lahtina · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

OK!!! So because I take care of my self and am conscious of my hygiene.....You two have a problem with that??? Better than having a hairy smelly, watchumacallit.......all dry and nasty!!! @ Lahtina - You're telling me that a guys hygiene is not important to you????

Are you kidding me? It's very important.

Flaco... pobrecita? Whatever dude! Cosas más largas se han escrito y no han sido leídas. Lol Anyway, this is interesting.

Bainaman · Foro Master

OK!!!

So because I take care of my self and am conscious of my hygiene.....You two have a problem with that???

Better than having a hairy smelly, watchumacallit.......all dry and nasty!!!

@ Lahtina - You're telling me that a guys hygiene is not important to you????

Flaco · Senior Member

pobrecita lahtina,
you took so much time to type or copy/paste that all out, and we're talking about cucumbers.

i read it just because you took the time, and although it was nothing close to what i usually read, i feel you spiritually.

Lahtina · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: I guess that would explain Bainas compulsion for shaving and using "watermelon" moisturizer No, wait, worse (or better ) that was cucumber, dude! LMAO sooooo true though! No no, I'm pretty sure i was watermelon..... cucumber would be plain disgusting!! lol! And I'm pretty sure it was cucumber... or maybe it was both. I have that one too, let me check. hehehe i think you're mistaken. The cucumber was for "training", the watermelon was for the skin (something about "baby Ass smooth" ah donno) How could I be mistaken, I just checked it out myself. Wait, are we even talking about the same thing? hmmmmm, me parece que no I'm talking about the "Just for girls, how to stay/get pretty" or something something thread (I'm not even sure why he posted there, but hey!...) (maybe it was watermelon shower gel, o algo asi)

Ok... I was talking about the moisturizer I saw in the washroom.

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: I guess that would explain Bainas compulsion for shaving and using "watermelon" moisturizer No, wait, worse (or better ) that was cucumber, dude! LMAO sooooo true though! No no, I'm pretty sure i was watermelon..... cucumber would be plain disgusting!! lol! And I'm pretty sure it was cucumber... or maybe it was both. I have that one too, let me check. hehehe i think you're mistaken. The cucumber was for "training", the watermelon was for the skin (something about "baby Ass smooth" ah donno) How could I be mistaken, I just checked it out myself. Wait, are we even talking about the same thing?

hmmmmm, me parece que no

I'm talking about the "Just for girls, how to stay/get pretty" or something something thread (I'm not even sure why he posted there, but hey!...)

(maybe it was watermelon shower gel, o algo asi)

Lahtina · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: I guess that would explain Bainas compulsion for shaving and using "watermelon" moisturizer No, wait, worse (or better ) that was cucumber, dude! LMAO sooooo true though! No no, I'm pretty sure i was watermelon..... cucumber would be plain disgusting!! lol! And I'm pretty sure it was cucumber... or maybe it was both. I have that one too, let me check. hehehe i think you're mistaken. The cucumber was for "training", the watermelon was for the skin (something about "baby Ass smooth" ah donno)

How could I be mistaken, I just checked it out myself. Wait, are we even talking about the same thing?

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Dogo wrote: Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: I guess that would explain Bainas compulsion for shaving and using "watermelon" moisturizer No, wait, worse (or better ) that was cucumber, dude! LMAO sooooo true though! No no, I'm pretty sure i was watermelon..... cucumber would be plain disgusting!! lol! And I'm pretty sure it was cucumber... or maybe it was both. I have that one too, let me check. hehehe

i think you're mistaken. The cucumber was for "training", the watermelon was for the skin (something about "baby Ass smooth" ah donno)

Daeveed · Foro Master

I'm amazed by our proficiency to go from Roman culture to cucumbers.

Lahtina · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Dogo wrote: I guess that would explain Bainas compulsion for shaving and using "watermelon" moisturizer No, wait, worse (or better ) that was cucumber, dude! LMAO sooooo true though! No no, I'm pretty sure i was watermelon..... cucumber would be plain disgusting!! lol!

And I'm pretty sure it was cucumber... or maybe it was both. I have that one too, let me check. hehehe

Aha!!! It's cucumber melon! Naughty, naughty!!!

-- Edited by Lahtina at 15:27, 2006-01-06

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Dogo wrote: I guess that would explain Bainas compulsion for shaving and using "watermelon" moisturizer No, wait, worse (or better ) that was cucumber, dude! LMAO sooooo true though!

No no, I'm pretty sure i was watermelon..... cucumber would be plain disgusting!! lol!

Lahtina · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

I guess that would explain Bainas compulsion for shaving and using "watermelon" moisturizer

No, wait, worse (or better ) that was cucumber, dude! LMAO sooooo true though!

Lahtina · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

Lahtina wrote: McOSIRIS wrote: did you know that romans invented the Pizza???.... With sausage? nop....green olives....

Huh? Would that be two green olives?

Dogo · Comandante

I guess that would explain Bainas compulsion for shaving and using "watermelon" moisturizer

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

McOSIRIS wrote: did you know that romans invented the Pizza???.... With sausage?

nop....green olives....

Lahtina · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

did you know that romans invented the Pizza???....

With sausage?

McOSIRIS · Comandante

did you know that romans invented the Pizza???....

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Lahtina · Foro Master

As of late I'm fascinated with Roman and Greek culture. In my past sick days I read about pederasty in Ancient Greece. I guess I should clarify now that by "sick days" I meant having a cold.

So...

In the old Grecian way, the love of a man for a boy was considered to be the purest form of love. According to some ancient philosophers, love for a woman was a waste because a woman was an inferior being and lust felt for a woman was a dirty thing only necessary for procreation.

A boy, on the other hand, was equal in all ways except age and hence worthy of adoration. The boy in such couples, known as the "eromenos," would generally be entering puberty when the relationship began and would leave it when he began to show facial hair in his late teens or early twenties. Any male who preferred the submissive role in relationships after this point was refereed to as pathetic.

The older man in the relationship, referred to as "erastes," was usually between the ages of twenty and forty, for as was proverbially stated, "to be a lover when old is the worst of misfortunes." In return for the respect, devotion, and sexual satisfaction offered by the eromenos, the erastes would provide the boy with training in mind, body, morals, customs, and responsibilities as well as devoted affection. As the boy's family would most likely never have given him more than passing attentions, the affections of his erastes were seen as healthy and good for the child.

That spiritual love should also have a physical component was seen as obvious and proper in most circles and hence few thought anything at all wrong or even odd about the system of pederasty. Indeed, so much poetry and art was dedicated to it that even men who never took eromenoi and who seemed to have actually preferred the attentions of a woman often wrote verses praising boys anyway, just so that they would be accepted by their peers.