Boxing day shooting / tables turned

Danny416 · TOP Guru

RE: Boxing day shooting / tables turned

GENIE · Foro Master

latinsoulchild wrote:

Danny416 wrote: ya but 6 people didint get shot in that situation..and plus this recent one happened a holiday season people!!!!!!!!!remember that! everyones mind frame is more on the soft spiritual side on this time of the year.. Vato..they wouldn't be shopping...they'd be in church... 3 words and help slow the crime down, and 2 words can almost stop it! Instant Jail Time and Death Penalty

I AGREE WITH THE INSTANT JAIL TIME BUT NOT THE DEATH PENALTY SORRY LSC BUT THATS JUST ME NO MATTER WHAT ONE LIFE WONT REPLACE ANOTHER

AND ALSO WHAT WE NEED IS A JUSTICE SYSTEM!! I MEAN U KNOW THE FIRST MURDER OF THE YEAR HAPPENED AT 4AM HE WAS A CONVICTED KILLER OUT ON PAROLE JUST AFTER TWO YEARS OF JAIL TIME AND HE HAD A GUN ON HIM ALREADY!!! NICE EH

miguel · TOP Guru

i don't think this particular incident (the boxing day shooting) can be properly compared to other ones (like genie's) because the circumstances (location, time, political situation, etc) in this case are extraordinary.

make this jane girl latin and i believe (again given these extraordinary circumstances) the coverage would be exactly the same.

latinsoulchild · TOP Guru

Danny416 wrote:

ya but 6 people didint get shot in that situation..and plus this recent one happened a holiday season people!!!!!!!!!remember that! everyones mind frame is more on the soft spiritual side on this time of the year..

Vato, if they were that spiritual..they wouldn't be shopping...they'd be in church...

3 words can help slow the crime down, and 2 words can almost stop it!

Instant Jail Time and Death Penalty

-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 17:11, 2006-01-03

GENIE · Foro Master

Danny416 wrote:

GENIE wrote: Danny416 wrote: miguel wrote: The reason for the public outcry is not because the girl is white and a good student, but because the shooting happenned during boxing day, on yonge street, in broad daylight. thank you! my soccer kid got shot at4.30 when a bunch of kids were leaving a school bus and right near jane and sheppard and u want to know that got any media coverage or any attention because his parents wouldnt let him die in vain so dont FUCKEN BS ME ABOUT THIS BS AND THAT ITS BECUASE SHE WAS WHITE AND IT HAPPEND ON YONGE STREET WHERE LOTS OF TOURIST WERE PLAIN AND FUCKEN SIMPLE!!! again like i said innocent by standers got shot!!!!lol that right there made the issue look bigger

AND SHE WAS WHITE!!! CUZ MY SOCCER KID GOT SHOT AND DIED FOR DATING A GIRL IN THE WRONG NEIGHBOORHOOD!!! HE WASNT NO CRIMINAL JUST DATING THE WRONG FUCKEN GIRL SO ITS OK FOR HIM TO DIE AND HIS MURDER TO GO UNSOLVED BUT NOT HERS RIGHT

GENIE · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

do you happen to know this person that was shot at the funeral? Do you know what good things he did?

SAD STORY I DO HE GREW UP 7 FLOORS ABOVE ME WHEN TO ELEMENTRY WITH ME AND MY BROTHERS AND WAS WAY YOOUNGER THEN ME BUT THE SAME AGE AS MY BROTHER!!! THE SADEST THING WAS THAT HE WASNT A CRIMINAL HE JUST HAPPEND TO WITNESS A CRIME!! AND FOR THAT HE PAYED WITH HIS LIFE!! SON OF A SINGLE MOTHER WHO WORKED HER ASS OFF FOR HIM AND THEN HE BECAME A FATHER WHO NOW LEAVES A LITTLE GIRL BEHIND BUT U KNOW HES BLACK SO HES A CRIMINAL!!

Danny416 · TOP Guru

GENIE wrote:

Danny416 wrote: miguel wrote: The reason for the public outcry is not because the girl is white and a good student, but because the shooting happenned during boxing day, on yonge street, in broad daylight. thank you! my soccer kid got shot at4.30 when a bunch of kids were leaving a school bus and right near jane and sheppard and u want to know that got any media coverage or any attention because his parents wouldnt let him die in vain so dont FUCKEN BS ME ABOUT THIS BS AND THAT ITS BECUASE SHE WAS WHITE AND IT HAPPEND ON YONGE STREET WHERE LOTS OF TOURIST WERE PLAIN AND FUCKEN SIMPLE!!!

again like i said innocent by standers got shot!!!!lol that right there made the issue look bigger

PANCHO · Regular Plus

Daeveed wrote:

do you happen to know this person that was shot at the funeral? Do you know what good things he did?

Do you??? probably not...but I'm sure you can tell me all about Jane.

Jaime Cruz · Foro Master

Sweetness wrote:

I agree 100% with all that this paeron is saying. The media even went as far as telling everyone her background. Like she attended a "good school" and how she was a good student, and so on. Had this been a minority I bet that it wouldn't get as much attention. It is really sad what happened to this girl and all the others that were injured, but the truth is that if this girl had been latina, black or any other minority it wouldn't have gotten as much coverage and attention.

This is exactly what I mean. The police have either no clues or leads and are neglecting this story. The cops don't want to look dumb to the public. I can't blame them in a way, but you can't worrie about your image or ego when your dealing with peoples lives and solving crimes.

Danny416 · TOP Guru

Sweetness wrote:

I say that it doesn't matter that it was on boxing day, and in broad daylight. The shooting of the black kid that was attending his friends funeral was in broad daylight and in a church, and it didn't get as much attention as this story did. They didn't take the time to talk about the good things that he did before he died like they did for this girl that died that day. I guess it's the way the media makes everything out to be, and for some reason they always make minorities look like they were involved in bad thngs throughout their whole lives when in fact they have never encountered such things until that very day that their life was taken away or scared for ever. To each his own I guess, but I stand by what I believe in and what I have seen and heard.

ya but 6 people didint get shot in that situation..and plus this recent one happened a holiday season people!!!!!!!!!remember that! everyones mind frame is more on the soft spiritual side on this time of the year..

man most of this whole minority issue here is just an excuse..Id like to see how they would feel in some southern state in the US ,georgia alabama, misisisipi, see how the treatment there towards minorities is the same as here.

at least this city is known to be soo multicultural and has laws that protect it

GENIE · Foro Master

Danny416 wrote:

miguel wrote: The reason for the public outcry is not because the girl is white and a good student, but because the shooting happenned during boxing day, on yonge street, in broad daylight. thank you!

my soccer kid got shot at4.30 when a bunch of kids were leaving a school bus and right near jane and sheppard and u want to know that got any media coverage or any attention because his parents wouldnt let him die in vain so dont FUCKEN BS ME ABOUT THIS BS AND THAT ITS BECUASE SHE WAS WHITE AND IT HAPPEND ON YONGE STREET WHERE LOTS OF TOURIST WERE PLAIN AND FUCKEN SIMPLE!!!

miguel · TOP Guru

if the victim was a "good person", the media always talks it up, regardless of colour.

we can't stick it to the white man all the time.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Sweetness wrote:

I say that it doesn't matter that it was on boxing day, and in broad daylight. The shooting of the black kid that was attending his friends funeral was in broad daylight and in a church, and it didn't get as much attention as this story did. They didn't take the time to talk about the good things that he did before he died like they did for this girl that died that day. I guess it's the way the media makes everything out to be, and for some reason they always make minorities look like they were involved in bad thngs throughout their whole lives when in fact they have never encountered such things until that very day that their life was taken away or scared for ever. To each his own I guess, but I stand by what I believe in and what I have seen and heard.

do you happen to know this person that was shot at the funeral?

Do you know what good things he did?

lilchinita · Guru

That happened right across from my house. I just left the Starbank 20 minutes before the shooting. I heard the gun shots from my house. It' s really crazy!!!

PRECIOSA · Guru

confundida wrote:

PERSONAL EVERYONE TURNS TO THE GOVERMENT AND POLICE FOR SOME KIND OF ANSWER.... BUT SHOULDNT THE COMMUNITY PULL TOGETHER TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE????

VERY TRUE CONFU...

HOWEVER...WHAT I HEARD IN A STATEMENT NOT TO LONG AGO FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE WAS THAT THEY CONTACTED THE NYPD POLICE IN NEW YORK TO SEE WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO STOP THE GUN VIOLENCE...

AND THEY DETERMINED TO FOCUS ON ONE GANG AT A TIME...TO REMOVE THE GUNS AND OTHER HARMFUL WEAPONS IN OUR CITY...

NOW MY QUESTION IS...IS IT JUST GANGS THAT ARE PROTRAYING SUCH ACTS OR IS IT ARE YOUTH IN GENERAL...???

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE BEST WAY TO STOP THE VIOLENCE WOULD BE...???

SORRY IF THIS IS A D.A.R.T QUESTION...

Sweetness · Guru

I say that it doesn't matter that it was on boxing day, and in broad daylight. The shooting of the black kid that was attending his friends funeral was in broad daylight and in a church, and it didn't get as much attention as this story did. They didn't take the time to talk about the good things that he did before he died like they did for this girl that died that day. I guess it's the way the media makes everything out to be, and for some reason they always make minorities look like they were involved in bad thngs throughout their whole lives when in fact they have never encountered such things until that very day that their life was taken away or scared for ever. To each his own I guess, but I stand by what I believe in and what I have seen and heard.

miguel · TOP Guru

i just don't see how this girl is getting preferential coverage.. i think that's bull.

Jaime Cruz · Foro Master

I think it's sad. It's don't matter if your white, black, brown or blue. What happened on Boxing day could have happened to anyone. The attention it got could be because the girl was white,
but I think it's because it happened in central downtown. It's kinda scary because I was thinking of going downtown to the streets but didn't because gas was expensive and I didn't wanna drive in traffic.

Has anyone ever noticed that the crimes that get the most media attention are the ones where they have a lead, clue or evidence. The crimes that are unsolved or probably puzzling to police aren't focused on as much. I guess the police want to bring more attention on the few crimes they do solve as opposed to focusing on the crimes that they can't solve or neglect. Just my opinion. Don't know it makes sense.

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

IT IS WHAT IT IS, WHY THINK ABOUT WHAT IF?? IT DID NOT SO MOVE ON, THE POINT HERE IS THAT THIS TYPE OF BULL $HIT HAS 2 STOP NO MATTER IF U ARE WHIT OR BLACK...........

Danny416 · TOP Guru

miguel wrote:

The reason for the public outcry is not because the girl is white and a good student, but because the shooting happenned during boxing day, on yonge street, in broad daylight.

thank you!

miguel · TOP Guru

The reason for the public outcry is not because the girl was white and a good student, but because the shooting happenned during boxing day, on yonge street, in broad daylight.

-- Edited by miguel at 16:44, 2006-01-03

Danny416 · TOP Guru

god damm people.. both incidents were dealt with equally..ok perhaps one more then the other maybe cuz like 6 by standers got shot??for no reason you have to take into consideration that it was during a holiday season as well..soo all this heated it up even more..

Bainaman · Foro Master

It doesn't make it right....

But it's the reality.

confundida · Foro Master

PERSONAL EVERYONE TURNS TO THE GOVERMENT AND POLICE FOR SOME KIND OF ANSWER....

BUT SHOULDNT THE COMMUNITY PULL TOGETHER TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE????

Sweetness · Guru

I agree 100% with all that this paeron is saying. The media even went as far as telling everyone her background. Like she attended a "good school" and how she was a good student, and so on. Had this been a minority I bet that it wouldn't get as much attention. It is really sad what happened to this girl and all the others that were injured, but the truth is that if this girl had been latina, black or any other minority it wouldn't have gotten as much coverage and attention.

LGigolo · Comandante

PANCHO wrote:

Do you remember the little girl’s name?

No, I do recall the story, but not the name... then again, I am not good with names, sometimes I go blank with ppl whom I have known for years...

I don't think it's necesarily a black and white (RACE) thing... but some people like to bring it up and make it seem that way... just my two pennies!

Daeveed · Foro Master

PANCHO wrote:

Hey all, I pulled this from another forum I visit. How do feel about this? There’s no denying the Boxing Day Shoot-out on Toronto’s busiest street was a senseless act of violence we could’ve and should’ve lived without. Nevertheless, in between feelings of anger and sadness I wonder if the city would have reacted the same should this have happened elsewhere in the city with different characters. Let’s say the same two groups of gunmen clashed with each other on Jane Street in front of hundreds of people. Guns are pulled, shots are fired. Seven injured, one dead. All innocent bystanders. Only this time it’s not fifteen year old Jane from Riverdale whose name and image are now engraved in our minds. This time the victim is Kelly, also fifteen, just as innocent. Kelly is black. Would we still feel as strong about this case as we do for the Boxing day one? Would kelly’s death spark as much media attention? Would any one have cared to organize a vigil/rally of support for kelly’s parents at York Gates Mall as they have for Jane at Dundas Square? If they did would CTV and CityTV cover it? Would federal and provincial politicians visit kelly’s make-shift vigil? Would anyone make one? Probably not. Jane’s death was senseless and unnecessary but not the first of it’s kind in our city. On November 28, 2004 a 24 yr. old man was shot and an eleven year old girl was hit in the eye by a bullet while riding the Jane Street bus with her mom. Both victims are black. Do you remember the little girl’s name?

I have to say that I don't like this kind of speculation.

Would it have been different? I don't know...and you don't know either.

What I dislike so much is that these kinds of comments are really biased, and I'm not saying that maybe other types (i.e. "pro-white") are not, but they both cause the same effect on me....indiference.

There are no real facts of what you posted is true, or that it could be...they are just assumptions and hypothetical questions....so myanswer to this would be: I don't care.

Maybe if you are really concerned about this issue, you should research the government programs and the current laws. Maybe you should dig a bit and find out who owns the networks that broadcast the news you watch, or who are the Editors in Chief of the papers you read, and their connections to racist groups...you know? something real and interesting.

You are just falling again in the same sensasionalism of the news you watch, and that's not the right way to end it.

GENIE · Foro Master

PANCHO wrote:

Hey all, I pulled this from another forum I visit. How do feel about this? There’s no denying the Boxing Day Shoot-out on Toronto’s busiest street was a senseless act of violence we could’ve and should’ve lived without. Nevertheless, in between feelings of anger and sadness I wonder if the city would have reacted the same should this have happened elsewhere in the city with different characters. Let’s say the same two groups of gunmen clashed with each other on Jane Street in front of hundreds of people. Guns are pulled, shots are fired. Seven injured, one dead. All innocent bystanders. Only this time it’s not fifteen year old Jane from Riverdale whose name and image are now engraved in our minds. This time the victim is Kelly, also fifteen, just as innocent. Kelly is black. Would we still feel as strong about this case as we do for the Boxing day one? Would kelly’s death spark as much media attention? Would any one have cared to organize a vigil/rally of support for kelly’s parents at York Gates Mall as they have for Jane at Dundas Square? If they did would CTV and CityTV cover it? Would federal and provincial politicians visit kelly’s make-shift vigil? Would anyone make one? Probably not. Jane’s death was senseless and unnecessary but not the first of it’s kind in our city. On November 28, 2004 a 24 yr. old man was shot and an eleven year old girl was hit in the eye by a bullet while riding the Jane Street bus with her mom. Both victims are black. Do you remember the little girl’s name?

OMG this is so strong its very true. How sad it is that a WHITE FEMALE HAD to die for the media and police to care but we all knew this would happen!!!

PANCHO · Regular Plus

Hey all, I pulled this from another forum I visit. How do feel about this?

There’s no denying the Boxing Day Shoot-out on Toronto’s busiest street was a senseless act of violence we could’ve and should’ve lived without. Nevertheless, in between feelings of anger and sadness I wonder if the city would have reacted the same should this have happened elsewhere in the city with different characters.

Let’s say the same two groups of gunmen clashed with each other on Jane Street in front of hundreds of people. Guns are pulled, shots are fired. Seven injured, one dead. All innocent bystanders. Only this time it’s not fifteen year old Jane from Riverdale whose name and image are now engraved in our minds. This time the victim is Kelly, also fifteen, just as innocent. Kelly is black.

Would we still feel as strong about this case as we do for the Boxing day one? Would kelly’s death spark as much media attention? Would any one have cared to organize a vigil/rally of support for kelly’s parents at York Gates Mall as they have for Jane at Dundas Square? If they did would CTV and CityTV cover it? Would federal and provincial politicians visit kelly’s make-shift vigil? Would anyone make one?

Probably not.

Jane’s death was senseless and unnecessary but not the first of it’s kind in our city. On November 28, 2004 a 24 yr. old man was shot and an eleven year old girl was hit in the eye by a bullet while riding the Jane Street bus with her mom. Both victims are black. Do you remember the little girl’s name?