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Sweetness wrote: Danny416 wrote: El Duro wrote: @danny416 So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos? i never suffered any racism here bro , i cant even recall any type of instance that i been in that dealt with racism OK BINGO! THAT'S WHY YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND OUR POINT OF VIEW ON THIS ISSUE, AND SOMEHOW THINK THAT THERE IS NO MINORITY ISSUE WHEN THERE CLEARLY IS ONE. @sweetness r u taking to me or danny416  

LOL I was talking to Danny Boy sweetie.

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no one is picking on him, but he has to see what is going on in this world that the media is racisit

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Come On people stop picking on Danny just cause He doesn't agree with you all....He has a point...(and I agree with HIM)....So please respect it...


 


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El Duro wrote: Danny416 wrote: El Duro wrote: @danny416 So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos? i never suffered any racism here bro , i cant even recall any type of instance that i been in that dealt with racism Bro I have sufferd racism and it's not a good thing.. i'm glad you haven't suffered it but bro maybe u have to suffer to know what is going on WRONG!!! (LOL) SORI AH I HAD TO..... SEE THAT A REPETITIVE CYCLE...WHY SHOULD HE EXPERIENCE WAT U WENT THREW TO TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ISNT IT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE AWARE????

@my dear Confu beacuse maybe he will be a little more sensitive on the subject

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Danny416 wrote: Sweetness wrote: Danny416 wrote:  ya well the murder of that asian girl cecilia young (RIP) about what 2 years ago?? that made it pretty big now didnt it. Ok that was one.  Can you name 5 more for me?  I don't think that you can.The whole media was up on that. Im not saying that just cause more the one person got shot its a bigger deal. But the circumstances and scenario behind the scene made it big. Comon people it happened in the core of downtown Toronto, off course its gonna get alot of attention. Umm yeah, but regardless of where it took place it should be a big deal in the first place no matter where the crime has occured.  So you mean to tell me that a black guy getting shot at his friend's funeral IN A CHURCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD ISN'T A BIG DEAL?  YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING! Im not laughing at any of you ..but it seems that some of you get al vexx with me and insult when i dont agree with ur points..i just have different views of this issue and im not gonna change my way of thinking , just so that i can fit in with the rest of you!!;) Guy I have never insulted you throughout this whole process, so please don't generalize, and like you said if you have certain opinions about certain members, than I suggest that you go straight to the source, instead of accusing all of us of insulting you which is sooo not the case.  I don't think that people get mad, because you don't agree with them.  Remember hun this is a forum, and people come on here to speak their minds, and it's not so much that they or we are getting mad that you don't agree with us...I see it as more of a debate.  It may sound like some are mad, but that may not be the case with everyone, so don't assume.  -- Edited by Sweetness at 23:13, 2006-01-03 -- Edited by Sweetness at 23:14, 2006-01-03 ya well certain individuals like genie tdot and anno.. whatever ..feel the need to bad mouth me . I just think differently in that sense , There is a fine line of respect and expressing ur opinons (and dont quote me on my pics lol!!thats all for fun) . Go do a search ..you will never see any of my posts call out people dumb ignorant ..sorry that aint me , if it comes to that level id rather them tell it to me in person;) WRONG!!!!!  A PICTURE IS A WAY MORE EXPRESSIVE WAY THEN WORDS........ A PICTURE TELLS U A THOUSAND WORDS.....A PICTURE TELLS EXACTLY WAT U FEEL OR WAT IMAGE U WANNA CREATE....WORDS DONT MEAN MUCH...WORDS WHEN READ U INTERPRET IT TO YOUR STYLE......  

my pics r ment to cause some jokes and kill off time, its not the same as you calling me a tarado and a f*** a****now right?;p

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Danny416 wrote: El Duro wrote: @danny416 So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos? i never suffered any racism here bro , i cant even recall any type of instance that i been in that dealt with racism OK BINGO! THAT'S WHY YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND OUR POINT OF VIEW ON THIS ISSUE, AND SOMEHOW THINK THAT THERE IS NO MINORITY ISSUE WHEN THERE CLEARLY IS ONE.


how so?, i grew up in the big city maybe like most of you , im a minority like most of you, For some reason maybe not all of us go threw the same issues u guys maybe did? no se la verdad, Ive been to areas like waterloo, oswaha, kitchner..areas in which there is a small amount of minorites, and i never seen or been mistreated when i had gone to a store club mall etc..


So dont go telling me that its a latino thing that most of us go threw , sorry folks im just as latino as any of you and i never faced any situations like these ever!!;)



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Danny416 wrote: El Duro wrote: @danny416 So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos? i never suffered any racism here bro , i cant even recall any type of instance that i been in that dealt with racism Bro I have sufferd racism and it's not a good thing.. i'm glad you haven't suffered it but bro maybe u have to suffer to know what is going on

WRONG!!! (LOL) SORI AH I HAD TO..... SEE THAT A REPETITIVE CYCLE...WHY SHOULD HE EXPERIENCE WAT U WENT THREW TO TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ISNT IT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE AWARE????

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El Duro wrote: @danny416 So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos? i never suffered any racism here bro , i cant even recall any type of instance that i been in that dealt with racism

Bro I have sufferd racism and it's not a good thing.. i'm glad you haven't suffered it but bro maybe u have to suffer to know what is going on

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@ CONFU I STILL VOLUNTEER...IT JUST TAKES A GREAT DEAL OF PATIENCE AND DEVOTION TO WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE ABSTRACT ISSUES THAT YOUR NOT USE TOO... IT'S HARD TO MAKE TIME BUT I TRY TOO...RIGHT NOW I'M VOLUNTEERING AT SICK KIDS...IN THE ABUSE PREVENTION PROGRAM... I ALWAYS HAVE A PASSION TO HELP OTHERS...BUT I THINK IT TAKES MORE THEN ONE PERSON TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE... 


WRONG......  BEUCASE UR HELPING ONE LIFE AT A TIME.....................


 


( I THIK I HAVE A PROBLEM ON THIS THREAD.....I KEEP USING THE WORD WRONG)



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I STILL VOLUNTEER...IT JUST TAKES A GREAT DEAL OF PATIENCE AND DEVOTION TO WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE ABSTRACT ISSUES THAT YOUR NOT USE TOO...


IT'S HARD TO MAKE TIME BUT I TRY TOO...RIGHT NOW I'M VOLUNTEERING AT SICK KIDS...IN THE ABUSE PREVENTION PROGRAM...


I ALWAYS HAVE A PASSION TO HELP OTHERS...BUT I THINK IT TAKES MORE THEN ONE PERSON TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE... 



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Danny416 wrote: El Duro wrote: @danny416 So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos? i never suffered any racism here bro , i cant even recall any type of instance that i been in that dealt with racism OK BINGO! THAT'S WHY YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND OUR POINT OF VIEW ON THIS ISSUE, AND SOMEHOW THINK THAT THERE IS NO MINORITY ISSUE WHEN THERE CLEARLY IS ONE.


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Sweetness wrote: Danny416 wrote:  ya well the murder of that asian girl cecilia young (RIP) about what 2 years ago?? that made it pretty big now didnt it. Ok that was one.  Can you name 5 more for me?  I don't think that you can.The whole media was up on that. Im not saying that just cause more the one person got shot its a bigger deal. But the circumstances and scenario behind the scene made it big. Comon people it happened in the core of downtown Toronto, off course its gonna get alot of attention. Umm yeah, but regardless of where it took place it should be a big deal in the first place no matter where the crime has occured.  So you mean to tell me that a black guy getting shot at his friend's funeral IN A CHURCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD ISN'T A BIG DEAL?  YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING! Im not laughing at any of you ..but it seems that some of you get al vexx with me and insult when i dont agree with ur points..i just have different views of this issue and im not gonna change my way of thinking , just so that i can fit in with the rest of you!!;) Guy I have never insulted you throughout this whole process, so please don't generalize, and like you said if you have certain opinions about certain members, than I suggest that you go straight to the source, instead of accusing all of us of insulting you which is sooo not the case.  I don't think that people get mad, because you don't agree with them.  Remember hun this is a forum, and people come on here to speak their minds, and it's not so much that they or we are getting mad that you don't agree with us...I see it as more of a debate.  It may sound like some are mad, but that may not be the case with everyone, so don't assume.  -- Edited by Sweetness at 23:13, 2006-01-03 -- Edited by Sweetness at 23:14, 2006-01-03 ya well certain individuals like genie tdot and anno.. whatever ..feel the need to bad mouth me . I just think differently in that sense , There is a fine line of respect and expressing ur opinons (and dont quote me on my pics lol!!thats all for fun) . Go do a search ..you will never see any of my posts call out people dumb ignorant ..sorry that aint me , if it comes to that level id rather them tell it to me in person;)


WRONG!!!!!  A PICTURE IS A WAY MORE EXPRESSIVE WAY THEN WORDS........ A PICTURE TELLS U A THOUSAND WORDS.....A PICTURE TELLS EXACTLY WAT U FEEL OR WAT IMAGE U WANNA CREATE....WORDS DONT MEAN MUCH...WORDS WHEN READ U INTERPRET IT TO YOUR STYLE......


 



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Danny416 wrote:  ya well the murder of that asian girl cecilia young (RIP) about what 2 years ago?? that made it pretty big now didnt it. Ok that was one.  Can you name 5 more for me?  I don't think that you can.The whole media was up on that. Im not saying that just cause more the one person got shot its a bigger deal. But the circumstances and scenario behind the scene made it big. Comon people it happened in the core of downtown Toronto, off course its gonna get alot of attention. Umm yeah, but regardless of where it took place it should be a big deal in the first place no matter where the crime has occured.  So you mean to tell me that a black guy getting shot at his friend's funeral IN A CHURCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD ISN'T A BIG DEAL?  YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING! Im not laughing at any of you ..but it seems that some of you get al vexx with me and insult when i dont agree with ur points..i just have different views of this issue and im not gonna change my way of thinking , just so that i can fit in with the rest of you!!;) Guy I have never insulted you throughout this whole process, so please don't generalize, and like you said if you have certain opinions about certain members, than I suggest that you go straight to the source, instead of accusing all of us of insulting you which is sooo not the case.  I don't think that people get mad, because you don't agree with them.  Remember hun this is a forum, and people come on here to speak their minds, and it's not so much that they or we are getting mad that you don't agree with us...I see it as more of a debate.  It may sound like some are mad, but that may not be the case with everyone, so don't assume.  -- Edited by Sweetness at 23:13, 2006-01-03 -- Edited by Sweetness at 23:14, 2006-01-03

ya well certain individuals like genie tdot and anno.. whatever ..feel the need to bad mouth me . I just think differently in that sense , There is a fine line of respect and expressing ur opinons (and dont quote me on my pics lol!!thats all for fun) . Go do a search ..you will never see any of my posts call out people dumb ignorant ..sorry that aint me , if it comes to that level id rather them tell it to me in person;)

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El Duro wrote: @danny416 So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos? i never suffered any racism here bro , i cant even recall any type of instance that i been in that dealt with racism

OK BINGO! THAT'S WHY YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND OUR POINT OF VIEW ON THIS ISSUE, AND SOMEHOW THINK THAT THERE IS NO MINORITY ISSUE WHEN THERE CLEARLY IS ONE.

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@danny416 So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos?

i never suffered any racism here bro , i cant even recall any type of instance that i been in that dealt with racism

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confundida wrote: SEE WAT GETS ME PERSONALLY WE ALL HAVE THESE GREAT OR PRACTICAL OPINIONS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT BUT HAVE ANY OF YOU TRIED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE???   WE ALL TALK ABOUT HOW WERE LEADERS AND WE DONT FOLLOW THE CROWD, BUT HOW MANY OF YOU THIS INCLUDES ME TRIED TO DUE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.........


YOUR RIGHT CONFU IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND NOT ALOT PEOPLE ARE... I WORKED IN MANY YOUTH PERVENTION...ABUSE PERVENTION AND ALSO AIDS PERVENTION PROGRAMS...BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND FIND A BASIC SOLUTION...PEOPLE SAY THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN TO THEM BUT WHEN REALTY HITS CLOSE TO HOME WE ARE ALL VICTIMS... I GUESS IF EACH INDIVIDUAL WILL DO THEIR PART AND RESPECT THE FACT WE DO LIVE IN A MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT SORTS OF VIOLENT ACTS ALWAYS HAPPENING AROUND US...THEN MAYBE JUST MAYBE WE CAN TEACH THE NEW GENERATION TO COME HOW TO LIVE BY WORDS NOT BY WEAPONS...





 


AT PRECI EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS HARD.....BUT YOU DO IT RITE??? DIDNT OUR PARENTS TEACH US TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE??


HOW COME U STOP VOLUNTERING/WORKING???



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HELLO PPL CAN WE JUST STEP OUTSIDE THE BOX AND STOP WITH THE HEADING (LATINOS, THUGS, KE TE THIS KETE THAT) .........................NOT ONE OF YOU HAVE ANSWERE ME THAT HAVE ANY OF YOU TRIED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AFTER SEEING 52 MURDERS???

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SEE WAT GETS ME PERSONALLY WE ALL HAVE THESE GREAT OR PRACTICAL OPINIONS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT BUT HAVE ANY OF YOU TRIED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE???   WE ALL TALK ABOUT HOW WERE LEADERS AND WE DONT FOLLOW THE CROWD, BUT HOW MANY OF YOU THIS INCLUDES ME TRIED TO DUE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.........



YOUR RIGHT CONFU IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND NOT ALOT PEOPLE ARE...


I WORKED IN MANY YOUTH PERVENTION...ABUSE PERVENTION AND ALSO AIDS PERVENTION PROGRAMS...BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND FIND A BASIC SOLUTION...PEOPLE SAY THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN TO THEM BUT WHEN REALTY HITS CLOSE TO HOME WE ARE ALL VICTIMS...


I GUESS IF EACH INDIVIDUAL WILL DO THEIR PART AND RESPECT THE FACT WE DO LIVE IN A MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT SORTS OF VIOLENT ACTS ALWAYS HAPPENING AROUND US...THEN MAYBE JUST MAYBE WE CAN TEACH THE NEW GENERATION TO COME HOW TO LIVE BY WORDS NOT BY WEAPONS...



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the cecelia insident has nothin to do with the gun violence going on in Toronto, that was a kidnap, murder insident, and concerning that Im not gonna lie but no matter what i think that that would be on the news no matter what ethnicity you are because its a big isue. and the fact that you think everyone is insulting is stupid because we're expresing our thoughts and vues just as much as you are...its not our fault your thoughts are ignorant...

yeah well if you notice,  im expressing my thoughts on this topic without disrespecting anyone , so keep calling me ignorant or whatever, im not stepping down to that level, you wanna insult me like that say it to my face, just as how i would to to u

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So bro your telling me that because there punks they desever to die.. come man your smarter then that... we as latino suffer racism everyday so i would figure u would have some commom sense for this... would your opion change if the that died were latinos?



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problem is , is that most of those thugs and gangsta looking kids r the ones the cause trouble and are responsible for shootings for the most part..right??


 


WRONG!!! ITS SOCIETY THAT WE HAVE TO BLAME, HOW DUE THESE PPL (DONT LIKE THUGS OR KETEGANSTA) GET THESE HAND GUNS????



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 ya well the murder of that asian girl cecilia young (RIP) about what 2 years ago?? that made it pretty big now didnt it. Ok that was one.  Can you name 5 more for me?  I don't think that you can.The whole media was up on that. Im not saying that just cause more the one person got shot its a bigger deal. But the circumstances and scenario behind the scene made it big. Comon people it happened in the core of downtown Toronto, off course its gonna get alot of attention. Umm yeah, but regardless of where it took place it should be a big deal in the first place no matter where the crime has occured.  So you mean to tell me that a black guy getting shot at his friend's funeral IN A CHURCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD ISN'T A BIG DEAL?  YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING! Im not laughing at any of you ..but it seems that some of you get al vexx with me and insult when i dont agree with ur points..i just have different views of this issue and im not gonna change my way of thinking , just so that i can fit in with the rest of you!!;) Guy I have never insulted you throughout this whole process, so please don't generalize, and like you said if you have certain opinions about certain members, than I suggest that you go straight to the source, instead of accusing all of us of insulting you which is sooo not the case.  I don't think that people get mad, because you don't agree with them.  Remember hun this is a forum, and people come on here to speak their minds, and it's not so much that they or we are getting mad that you don't agree with us...I see it as more of a debate.  It may sound like some are mad, but that may not be the case with everyone, so don't assume. 




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First thing I would like to say is that I agree 100% with the first post that was posted on this thread. Second of all I would like to say that the word "race" should not be used to call a certain group of people, or culture. We as humains are a race, dogs, cats, fish, any animal are a type of race. Race is a racist way of talking about a certain ethnicity. The correct word to use is ethnicity or ethnic backround. Third of all I would like to continue saying that because Jane (and may she R.I.P) was white the media and the politicians of our country made a bigger deal about her death then any other murder out of the 52 gun related deaths in Toronto this past 2005. As it was said by one of the TH members that no politician and no one in general made a big deal about the young man that was shot a murdered. C'mon now, lets be a little more realistic here. I hardly heard of it on the news, and it was at a FUNERAL in a CHURCH in BROAD DAYLIGHT so how about that for horrible? Was it because the young man was Black?? I think so! Im not sayin that the boxing day shooting wasn't horrible and it was indeed sad to hear... but we can't sit here and say that it's ok for politicians to console the family without ever having consoled any other family of the 52 victims. No matter what media and the public in general will always look at you differently if your black, hispanic, asian, middle-eastern, whatever your ethnic backround. To Danny416- The fact that the boxing day shooting was on holiday time...when it all comes down to it, no matter what day, time, place or person gets shot it horrible. And the fact that you said if she was black the media would have made the same reaction is WRONG, in reality if that was true...then why haven't we seen any media exaggerations on any of the other black, latino, asian and any other ethnic gun related murder in 2005????????????????????????????????????? and don't give me that bull **** of because it wasn't on Young street on boxing day, because their has been others on churches, in daylight, of little kids just playing around and getting shot. And to the comment you made that appearence does make a difference is so ignorant...appearence makes a different because the media has taken that "gangsta", "thug" look and made it seem like a horrible thing. The way a person dresses should not determine the way the person will act.It's racist and ignorant people like YOU that make everyone else feel deprived of their rights, everyone has the right to dress how they want and not be judge by that, so what makes you so special to judge someone by what they wear? and if im not mistaken, from the picture you post, you seem to be somewhat of a as you quoted "wannabe as punk thug" because as I can see you do have your ears pieced and a line up, and your wearing a T and you maybe even wear baggy pants, but then again I'm not as ignorant as you are to judge because thats not what matters, and plus I can already see by all the comments you've been making that your not too bright. Anyways... I hope every person that got shot in 05' R.I.P and my condolences to the families of those victims children, family and friends, will always be remembered!


ignorant why cause i dont agree with you???? lol ok there buddy...


problem is , is that most of those thugs and gangsta looking kids r the ones the cause trouble and are responsible for shootings for the most part..right??


wannabe as punk thug" because as I can see you do have your ears pieced and a line up, and your wearing a T and you maybe even wear baggy pants,


lol im not gonna get indepth with that^^^I grew out of that stage ..and i dont dress like some outkast or some looser, sorry bro but unfortunetly appearance does matter in todays society. Someone walks into a job interview looking like ish and talking all street ..u think they are going to choose him over some other dude who speaks proper and looks right?


alot of you r quick to make comments about me from my pics , I got nothing to hide unlike alot of people here , id love to meet all of you in person who call em ignorant dumb etc.. and see if most of you back up ur words in person



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SEE WAT GETS ME PERSONALLY WE ALL HAVE THESE GREAT OR PRACTICAL OPINIONS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT BUT HAVE ANY OF YOU TRIED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE???


 


WE ALL TALK ABOUT HOW WERE LEADERS AND WE DONT FOLLOW THE CROWD, BUT HOW MANY OF YOU THIS INCLUDES ME TRIED TO DUE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.........



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the cecelia insident has nothin to do with the gun violence going on in Toronto, that was a kidnap, murder insident, and concerning that Im not gonna lie but no matter what i think that that would be on the news no matter what ethnicity you are because its a big isue.

and the fact that you think everyone is insulting is stupid because we're expresing our thoughts and vues just as much as you are...its not our fault your thoughts are ignorant...

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Danny416 wrote:    chucha !!! genie lol ur missin the point here..the incident that happend last week involved so many people getting shot, thats probably why it made it big ..hey even if the girl was black..the issue still would have been big and plus its downtown..boxing day weekend..with crowded people..now thats messd up damm u people u and all and this minority issue ...lol So because more than one person got shot it's more of a big deal?  I think not buddy.  Well I think that even if one person gets shot it should be a big deal. Just because it was more than one person that got shot doesn't and shouldn't make any other case different or any less than the next.  If some of us talk about minority issues...well it's because they are there, and if this wasn't so than we wouldn't say anything in the first place.  You laugh at us, because of the way we think, but honestly I pitty those who actually have swallowed all the bs that the government has shoved down their throats.  Canada is a beautiful country, and it's culture is made up of many nationalities, it is also a safe place to live compared to others, but not so much like before.  There are too many young people out there that are trying to look good in front of their friends by getting into trouble. These are the ones who are bringing this country down.  Honestly you have proof that the media makes it a bigger deal when a white person is harmed vs a minority.  Tell me how many times you have seen the media go on for days about a murder victom that was a minority? You will seldom see this on tv.  Now if it's a white person then it's a whole different story.  Sure it's covered if it was a minority, but I bet that the story about the white person will be aired more often than the story about a minority.  That's just the way things are plain and simple whether you want to believe it or not.


ya well the murder of that asian girl cecilia young (RIP) about what 2 years ago?? that made it pretty big now didnt it. The whole media was up on that. Im not saying that just cause more the one person got shot its a bigger deal. But the circumstances and scenario behind the scene made it big. Comon people it happened in the core of downtown Toronto, off course its gonna get alot of attention.


Im not laughing at any of you ..but it seems that some of you get al vexx with me and insult when i dont agree with ur points..i just have different views of this issue and im not gonna change my way of thinking , just so that i can fit in with the rest of you!!;)



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First thing I would like to say is that I agree 100% with the first post that was posted on this thread.

Second of all I would like to say that the word "race" should not be used to call a certain group of people, or culture. We as humains are a race, dogs, cats, fish, any animal are a type of race. Race is a racist way of talking about a certain ethnicity.
The correct word to use is ethnicity or ethnic backround.

Third of all I would like to continue saying that because Jane (and may she R.I.P) was white the media and the politicians of our country made a bigger deal about her death then any other murder out of the 52 gun related deaths in Toronto this past 2005. As it was said by one of the TH members that no politician and no one in general made a big deal about the young man that was shot a murdered. C'mon now, lets be a little more realistic here. I hardly heard of it on the news, and it was at a FUNERAL in a CHURCH in BROAD DAYLIGHT so how about that for horrible? Was it because the young man was Black?? I think so! Im not sayin that the boxing day shooting wasn't horrible and it was indeed sad to hear... but we can't sit here and say that it's ok for politicians to console the family without ever having consoled any other family of the 52 victims. No matter what media and the public in general will always look at you differently if your black, hispanic, asian, middle-eastern, whatever your ethnic backround.

To Danny416-
The fact that the boxing day shooting was on holiday time...when it all comes down to it, no matter what day, time, place or person gets shot it horrible.
And the fact that you said if she was black the media would have made the same reaction is WRONG, in reality if that was true...then why haven't we seen any media exaggerations on any of the other black, latino, asian and any other ethnic gun related murder in 2005????????????????????????????????????? and don't give me that bull **** of because it wasn't on Young street on boxing day, because their has been others on churches, in daylight, of little kids just playing around and getting shot.

And to the comment you made that appearence does make a difference is so ignorant...appearence makes a different because the media has taken that "gangsta", "thug" look and made it seem like a horrible thing. The way a person dresses should not determine the way the person will act.It's racist and ignorant people like YOU that make everyone else feel deprived of their rights, everyone has the right to dress how they want and not be judge by that, so what makes you so special to judge someone by what they wear? and if im not mistaken, from the picture you post, you seem to be somewhat of a as you quoted "wannabe as punk thug" because as I can see you do have your ears pieced and a line up, and your wearing a T and you maybe even wear baggy pants, but then again I'm not as ignorant as you are to judge because thats not what matters, and plus I can already see by all the comments you've been making that your not too bright.

Anyways...
I hope every person that got shot in 05' R.I.P and my condolences to the families of those victims
children, family and friends, will always be remembered!


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   chucha !!! genie lol ur missin the point here..the incident that happend last week involved so many people getting shot, thats probably why it made it big ..hey even if the girl was black..the issue still would have been big and plus its downtown..boxing day weekend..with crowded people..now thats messd up damm u people u and all and this minority issue ...lol

So because more than one person got shot it's more of a big deal?  I think not buddy.  Well I think that even if one person gets shot it should be a big deal. Just because it was more than one person that got shot doesn't and shouldn't make any other case different or any less than the next.  If some of us talk about minority issues...well it's because they are there, and if this wasn't so than we wouldn't say anything in the first place.  You laugh at us, because of the way we think, but honestly I pitty those who actually have swallowed all the bs that the government has shoved down their throats.  Canada is a beautiful country, and it's culture is made up of many nationalities, it is also a safe place to live compared to others, but not so much like before.  There are too many young people out there that are trying to look good in front of their friends by getting into trouble. These are the ones who are bringing this country down.  Honestly you have proof that the media makes it a bigger deal when a white person is harmed vs a minority.  Tell me how many times you have seen the media go on for days about a murder victom that was a minority? You will seldom see this on tv.  Now if it's a white person then it's a whole different story.  Sure it's covered if it was a minority, but I bet that the story about the white person will be aired more often than the story about a minority.  That's just the way things are plain and simple whether you want to believe it or not.

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Hey all, I pulled this from another forum I visit. How do feel about this? There’s no denying the Boxing Day Shoot-out on Toronto’s busiest street was a senseless act of violence we could’ve and should’ve lived without. Nevertheless, in between feelings of anger and sadness I wonder if the city would have reacted the same should this have happened elsewhere in the city with different characters. Let’s say the same two groups of gunmen clashed with each other on Jane Street in front of hundreds of people. Guns are pulled, shots are fired. Seven injured, one dead. All innocent bystanders. Only this time it’s not fifteen year old Jane from Riverdale whose name and image are now engraved in our minds. This time the victim is Kelly, also fifteen, just as innocent. Kelly is black. Would we still feel as strong about this case as we do for the Boxing day one? Would kelly’s death spark as much media attention? Would any one have cared to organize a vigil/rally of support for kelly’s parents at York Gates Mall as they have for Jane at Dundas Square? If they did would CTV and CityTV cover it? Would federal and provincial politicians visit kelly’s make-shift vigil? Would anyone make one? Probably not. Jane’s death was senseless and unnecessary but not the first of it’s kind in our city. On November 28, 2004 a 24 yr. old man was shot and an eleven year old girl was hit in the eye by a bullet while riding the Jane Street bus with her mom. Both victims are black. Do you remember the little girl’s name?

 
I have to say that I don't like this kind of speculation.
Would it have been different? I don't know...and you don't know either.
What I dislike so much is that these kinds of comments are really biased, and I'm not saying that maybe other types (i.e. "pro-white") are not, but they both cause the same effect on me....indiference.
There are no real facts of what you posted is true, or that it could be...they are just assumptions and hypothetical questions....so myanswer to this would be: I don't care.
Maybe if you are really concerned about this issue, you should research the government programs and the current laws. Maybe you should dig a bit and find out who owns the networks that broadcast the news you watch, or who are the Editors in Chief of the papers you read, and their connections to racist groups...you know? something real and interesting.
You are just falling again in the same sensasionalism of the news you watch, and that's not the right way to end it.
 




First of all its pretty ignorant of you to say that their are NO facts that what this person posted is true...because excuse me but their very well indeed are facts. It had to take 52 gun related murders for the politicians, the media, and all the stupid, ignorant ppl of Toronto to get a reality check that this has been going on for ONE whole year...and now that it's finaly happend to a white girl everyone wants to make a difference in Toronto...Im's sorry and call me crazy for thinking this is 110% WRONG!
The fact that you said you don't care, is pretty ignorant on your part because it's people like you that make everyone trying to make a change and speak their minds angry at the fact that young people don't care these days.
And once again its really ignorant of you to say that the newsnetworks and the government are not racist...because it is very clear that everything is set up to at the end of the day make a white person look like a hero...which is wrong!

its sad that you as a latino do not realize the system you as a citizen of Toronto are living in!

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GENIE wrote: Danny416 wrote: sure people like race is a big issue here ...anyways!!!!! goto the states and see how lucky u r to be here               NOBODY IS STATING THAT WERE NOT LUCKY TAKE UR HEAD OUT OF UR ASS FOR A MIN AND LISTEN!!!           LSC STATED THAT CUZ MADE REFERENCE TO THE USA!!!! I WISH I HAD A PIC TO INSERT HERE!!!!            AND FOR UR IGNORANCE RACE HAS EVERYTHING TO DO HERE WEATHER U LIKE IT OR NOT!!!           FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE ARE SHOOTINGS ALL THE TIME TELL ME HOW PROTECTED DO U FEEL??? AS OPPOSE TO IF U LIVED IN LETS SAY RICHMOND HILL OR HELL EVEN WOODBRIDGE????          IM NOT HARD HEADED I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT MIGUEL IS SAYING NOW THAT HE EXPLAINED HIS POINT OF VIEW BUT U NO SE WERE U DROPPED A BIRTH HOW CAN U SAY ITS NOT A RACE ISSUE????   See thats ur problem right there, whenever no one agrees with you , you feel the need to be all rude and fasty . I hold my own ground in my opionions thank you!! I dont need to fit in with the whole foro and think like you guys ;)


WELL SAID DANNY416....NOW TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND COME AND TALK TO ME...OTHERWISE....SHHHH



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Racism still exists everywhere. People aren't open about it but their action or reaction tells otherwise. When I also stated that Toronto, is a U.S. puppet, it was to show why we're going downhill...now you know why I said it vato. Too many kids thinking they're thugs calling themselves Crips, Bloodz, homies, vatos locos...whatever gay name.... If that **** was looked down on and didn't become some urban "way of life". Some kids nowadays would've looked at their life with more value then just a gun and their rocawear. It's conformity. Some watch this stuff on music videos and TV and wanna become it. it's the ignorant parents that don't involve themselves in this ish. I always feel bad for the families of the innocent ones. But those who cause the spraying bullets $hit and those who chose to live like gay thugs maybe should get a bullet in the ass ...it's somewhat justice in the end.

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Danny416 wrote: sure people like race is a big issue here ...anyways!!!!! goto the states and see how lucky u r to be here               NOBODY IS STATING THAT WERE NOT LUCKY TAKE UR HEAD OUT OF UR ASS FOR A MIN AND LISTEN!!!           LSC STATED THAT CUZ MADE REFERENCE TO THE USA!!!! I WISH I HAD A PIC TO INSERT HERE!!!!            AND FOR UR IGNORANCE RACE HAS EVERYTHING TO DO HERE WEATHER U LIKE IT OR NOT!!!           FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE ARE SHOOTINGS ALL THE TIME TELL ME HOW PROTECTED DO U FEEL??? AS OPPOSE TO IF U LIVED IN LETS SAY RICHMOND HILL OR HELL EVEN WOODBRIDGE????          IM NOT HARD HEADED I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT MIGUEL IS SAYING NOW THAT HE EXPLAINED HIS POINT OF VIEW BUT U NO SE WERE U DROPPED A BIRTH HOW CAN U SAY ITS NOT A RACE ISSUE????  

See thats ur problem right there, whenever no one agrees with you , you feel the need to be all rude and fasty . I hold my own ground in my opionions thank you!! I dont need to fit in with the whole foro and think like you guys ;)

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Danny416 wrote:  ur being hard headed and u dont see the big picture!! You should listen more to your self. Whether you care to admit it or not, race is a HUGE factor in this city...maybe the whole country. Have you never run after a bus only to have it take off as soon as you get to the doors? Have you never been pulled over for no apparent reason? Have you never noticed how most service/retail staff seem to be less patient with ppl with thick "foreign" accents? Are you actually Latino or did you get your picture from MiGente.com?



Number 1... I have never ran after a bus only to have it take off as soon as i got to the doors..(mind u i have taken the bus often and i still do)..i guess its perhaps cause i dont dress like some wannabe as punk thug maybe???..appearance does count big time you know


Number 2...I havent noticed that most service/retail staff seem to be less patient with people with 'foreign" accents ..perhaps cause the retail places i goto happen to fall under neighbourhoods that r exclusivley multicultural????...


altho i have noticed that most service/retail staff are less patient with thug wannabe loosers that walk in to some retail store .. acting like they r all big and bad ...no matter what f**** colour or race they are


and lastly Number 3 i am an actual latino , 100% ecuadorian in case you didint know, I have also lived there for 6 years..


and yes i have been a member of Migente.com for the longest time!!!!!;) and guess what???The pics of myself arent fake!!!!!!


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 ur being hard headed and u dont see the big picture!!


You should listen more to your self. Whether you care to admit it or not, race is a HUGE factor in this city...maybe the whole country.


Have you never run after a bus only to have it take off as soon as you get to the doors? Have you never been pulled over for no apparent reason? Have you never noticed how most service/retail staff seem to be less patient with ppl with thick "foreign" accents?


Are you actually Latino or did you get your picture from MiGente.com?



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Danny416 wrote: sure people like race is a big issue here ...anyways!!!!! goto the states and see how lucky u r to be here               NOBODY IS STATING THAT WERE NOT LUCKY TAKE UR HEAD OUT OF UR ASS FOR A MIN AND LISTEN!!!           LSC STATED THAT CUZ MADE REFERENCE TO THE USA!!!! I WISH I HAD A PIC TO INSERT HERE!!!!            AND FOR UR IGNORANCE RACE HAS EVERYTHING TO DO HERE WEATHER U LIKE IT OR NOT!!!           FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE ARE SHOOTINGS ALL THE TIME TELL ME HOW PROTECTED DO U FEEL??? AS OPPOSE TO IF U LIVED IN LETS SAY RICHMOND HILL OR HELL EVEN WOODBRIDGE????          IM NOT HARD HEADED I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT MIGUEL IS SAYING NOW THAT HE EXPLAINED HIS POINT OF VIEW BUT U NO SE WERE U DROPPED A BIRTH HOW CAN U SAY ITS NOT A RACE ISSUE????  

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sure people like race is a big issue here ...anyways!!!!! goto the states and see how lucky u r to be here


              NOBODY IS STATING THAT WERE NOT LUCKY TAKE UR HEAD OUT OF UR ASS FOR A MIN AND LISTEN!!!


          LSC STATED THAT CUZ MADE REFERENCE TO THE USA!!!! I WISH I HAD A PIC TO INSERT HERE!!!!


           AND FOR UR IGNORANCE RACE HAS EVERYTHING TO DO HERE WEATHER U LIKE IT OR NOT!!!


          FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE ARE SHOOTINGS ALL THE TIME TELL ME HOW PROTECTED DO U FEEL??? AS OPPOSE TO IF U LIVED IN LETS SAY RICHMOND HILL OR HELL EVEN WOODBRIDGE????


         IM NOT HARD HEADED I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT MIGUEL IS SAYING NOW THAT HE EXPLAINED HIS POINT OF VIEW BUT U NO SE WERE U DROPPED A BIRTH HOW CAN U SAY ITS NOT A RACE ISSUE????


 



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Sweetness wrote:   I say that it doesn't matter that it was on boxing day, and in broad daylight.  The shooting of the black kid that was attending his friends funeral was in broad daylight and in a church, and it didn't get as much attention as this story did.  They didn't take the time to talk about the good things that he did before he died like they did for this girl that died that day.  I guess it's the way the media makes everything out to be, and for some reason they always make minorities look like they were involved in bad thngs throughout their whole lives when in fact they have never encountered such things until that very day that their life was taken away or scared for ever. To each his own I guess, but I stand by what I believe in and what I have seen and heard.  do you happen to know this person that was shot at the funeral? Do you know what good things he did?

No I don't know this person, but I'm sure that he was a good person who led a good life.

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sure people like race is a big issue here ...anyways!!!!! goto the states and see how lucky u r to be here

Yeah we are lucky here, because it's not as bad here, but it's getting there.  I honestly don't feel that lucky when the cops pick and choose which crime they are going solve or put more time and effort into.  Race is too the factor here, and in every other case.  Yes it happened on boxing day, but last time I checked boxing day is not a spiritual thing. 

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Sorry to say...Toronto is a U.S. puppet. All the kids are talking and acting like they New Yorkers. The styles and stuff are all bitten from the states. Nobody's admitting it so they can still look cool in their rocawear...

ok we know that, and what does this have to do with what we r talking about?

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GENIE wrote: miguel wrote: i don't think this particular incident (the boxing day shooting) can be properly compared to other ones (like genie's) because the circumstances (location, time, political situation, etc) in this case are extraordinary. make this jane girl latin and i believe (again given these extraordinary circumstances) the coverage would be exactly the same.           NO MIGUEL SORRY MAKE THE GIRL LATIN OR BLACK OR SOMALI AND GUESS WHAT U STILL SITTING WITH UR FINGER UP UR ASS MAKE HER ITALIAN OR ASIAN OR PORTUGUESE AND GUESS WHAT THE COPS ARE ALL OVER IT!!! SORRY RACE PLAYS A HUGE PART IN THIS CITY SAY WHAT U WILL PICK UP THE MONDAY SUN READ FACTS 52 MURDERS LAST YEAR BY GUN VIOLNEC ONLY 12 SOLVED!!! ONLY 12 PERDOMENTNLY BLACK VICTIMS!!!   I agree with genie do u think that if it was a black girl that die that day on boxing day we would have all this commotion


why not????..what difference would it have made??..same coverage same situation ..why is it gonna change ? cuz shes black lol please people...


 



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i don't think this particular incident (the boxing day shooting) can be properly compared to other ones (like genie's) because the circumstances (location, time, political situation, etc) in this case are extraordinary. make this jane girl latin and i believe (again given these extraordinary circumstances) the coverage would be exactly the same.

          NO MIGUEL SORRY MAKE THE GIRL LATIN OR BLACK OR SOMALI AND GUESS WHAT U STILL SITTING WITH UR FINGER UP UR ASS MAKE HER ITALIAN OR ASIAN OR PORTUGUESE AND GUESS WHAT THE COPS ARE ALL OVER IT!!! SORRY RACE PLAYS A HUGE PART IN THIS CITY SAY WHAT U WILL PICK UP THE MONDAY SUN READ FACTS 52 MURDERS LAST YEAR BY GUN VIOLNEC ONLY 12 SOLVED!!! ONLY 12 PERDOMENTNLY BLACK VICTIMS!!!
 




i am strictly speaking about this particular shooting and why it's gotten so much media coverage as opposed to the other ones. I don't believe race is a factor here.. people are playing politics now, the political landscape is that: the media has been reporting a rash of shootings of late and this particular one is kindof like "the icing on the cake... la gota que derramo el vaso as they say". due to its extraordinary circumstances. add to this an election campaign where party leaders are trying to capitalize on this event for their own political purposes and you get the media storm you're seeing now.

race _in this case_ is not the most important factor at all.

ps- the sun is a tabloid !!

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Sorry to say...Toronto is a U.S. puppet. All the kids are talking and acting like they New Yorkers. The styles and stuff are all bitten from the states. Nobody's admitting it so they can still look cool in their rocawear...

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Danny416 wrote:    chucha !!! genie lol ur missin the point here..the incident that happend last week involved so many people getting shot, thats probably why it made it big ..hey even if the girl was black..the issue still would have been big and plus its downtown..boxing day weekend..with crowded people..now thats messd up damm u people u and all and this minority issue ...lol           I FIND NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT THIS SITUTATION SO BECAUSE IT WAS DOWNTOWN WHERE TOURIST ARE AND WHERE BIG MONEY PPL ARE THEN IT DESEVES IMMEDATE ATTENTION BUT IF IT WAS IN THE GHETTO IT DOESNT CUZ IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY        HONESLTY DANNY U MAKE NO SENSE AND IM DONE WHAT UR SAYING IS ONE LIFE IS MORE VALUABLE THEN THE NEXT WELL WHEN UR STANDING OVER UR BOYS CASKET CRYING CUZ HE WAS GUN DOWN FOR LOOKING AT SOMEONE THEN U COME TALK TO ME WHEN THE COPS SAY OH WERE DOING ALL WE CAN!!!          TTALK TO ME THEN OK !!!

ur being hard headed and u dont see the big picture!!

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miguel wrote: i don't think this particular incident (the boxing day shooting) can be properly compared to other ones (like genie's) because the circumstances (location, time, political situation, etc) in this case are extraordinary. make this jane girl latin and i believe (again given these extraordinary circumstances) the coverage would be exactly the same.           NO MIGUEL SORRY MAKE THE GIRL LATIN OR BLACK OR SOMALI AND GUESS WHAT U STILL SITTING WITH UR FINGER UP UR ASS MAKE HER ITALIAN OR ASIAN OR PORTUGUESE AND GUESS WHAT THE COPS ARE ALL OVER IT!!! SORRY RACE PLAYS A HUGE PART IN THIS CITY SAY WHAT U WILL PICK UP THE MONDAY SUN READ FACTS 52 MURDERS LAST YEAR BY GUN VIOLNEC ONLY 12 SOLVED!!! ONLY 12 PERDOMENTNLY BLACK VICTIMS!!!  

I agree with genie do u think that if it was a black girl that die that day on boxing day we would have all this commotion

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sure people like race is a big issue here ...anyways!!!!!


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She's right...race does play a significant role here. CNN even did a story on how media would throw a clean cut white girl on their broadcast when she went missing while 18 black kids were missing that same day!

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   chucha !!! genie lol ur missin the point here..the incident that happend last week involved so many people getting shot, thats probably why it made it big ..hey even if the girl was black..the issue still would have been big and plus its downtown..boxing day weekend..with crowded people..now thats messd up damm u people u and all and this minority issue ...lol


          I FIND NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT THIS SITUTATION SO BECAUSE IT WAS DOWNTOWN WHERE TOURIST ARE AND WHERE BIG MONEY PPL ARE THEN IT DESEVES IMMEDATE ATTENTION BUT IF IT WAS IN THE GHETTO IT DOESNT CUZ IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY


       HONESLTY DANNY U MAKE NO SENSE AND IM DONE WHAT UR SAYING IS ONE LIFE IS MORE VALUABLE THEN THE NEXT WELL WHEN UR STANDING OVER UR BOYS CASKET CRYING CUZ HE WAS GUN DOWN FOR LOOKING AT SOMEONE THEN U COME TALK TO ME WHEN THE COPS SAY OH WERE DOING ALL WE CAN!!!


         TTALK TO ME THEN OK !!!



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i don't think this particular incident (the boxing day shooting) can be properly compared to other ones (like genie's) because the circumstances (location, time, political situation, etc) in this case are extraordinary. make this jane girl latin and i believe (again given these extraordinary circumstances) the coverage would be exactly the same.


          NO MIGUEL SORRY MAKE THE GIRL LATIN OR BLACK OR SOMALI AND GUESS WHAT U STILL SITTING WITH UR FINGER UP UR ASS MAKE HER ITALIAN OR ASIAN OR PORTUGUESE AND GUESS WHAT THE COPS ARE ALL OVER IT!!! SORRY RACE PLAYS A HUGE PART IN THIS CITY SAY WHAT U WILL PICK UP THE MONDAY SUN READ FACTS 52 MURDERS LAST YEAR BY GUN VIOLNEC ONLY 12 SOLVED!!! ONLY 12 PERDOMENTNLY BLACK VICTIMS!!!


 



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