It's all understandable that our community is fragmented. We're all relatively new immigrants and obviously, we will look for "the same" to kind of relate to something since this country is so different from ours. But things are changing. That is pretty evident. Like Leo said, even this microcosm that is Foro, even though we argue that this country is better and that one sucks, we find so many similarities amongst us that at the end of the day it doesn't matter where we all come from. I think this will specially be true in Canada as more children of mixed races and countries are being born and growing up with not just two cultures, hispanic and canadian, but whose parents come from different countries as well. Eventually we will be maybe not as united as Bolívar expected, because we all have and will probably keep our own individual traits, but we'll be open enough to live together as a hispanic unity. Hopefully.

The best times for the hispanic community in Canada and, more specifically, in Ontario and Toronto, are yet to come. That's crystal clear.

In the first stages of inmigraiton from latin america, it was perfectly normal that people kept their distances and sort of found refuge in "colonies". Just go ask the Chinese how well they get along NOW.

But now it's a growing segment, getting together and understanding itself as one of the big population factors for the Canada of 2015, the latest.

By now, it is good to think from the perspective that Spanish is going to become even more commonplace in Toronto. And that is such a good thing. We should face that prospect with generosity and wisdom, as we relate to people from whom years and years of history might have tried to keep us away from (just think of the ecuadorians and peruvians) or simply have been unaware of (like me and, say, Paraguayans).

Particularly, el foro may be a great way to live that coming togetherness among spanish speaking people or, simply, people who have a good time and/or friends in the hispanic community.

Roll over Simon Bolivar
Spanish-speaking Canadians now make up the third-largest ethnic minority
But for many, it's a fragmented and frenetic existence, writes Oakland Ross
Dec. 12, 2005. 05:36 AM
OAKLAND ROSS
FEATURE WRITER

Simon Bolivar finally despaired of ever uniting South America under just one flag — a task he likened to "ploughing the sea."

That was in 1830, a month or so before the great Latin American liberator died, but some things never seem to change.

Just ask Mauricio Ospina.

A year ago, the former dental student from the Colombian town of Armenia — who now works at Queen's Park, promoting Ontario exports — was president of something called the Colombian-Canadian Professionals Association.

Ospina thought he saw a chance to make the group more inclusive and influential.

First, he changed its name, dropping the reference to his homeland. Next, he threw open the doors, not just to Colombian-Canadians, but to Venezuelans, Guatemalans, Mexicans, Argentines, Cubans, you name it — the whole Hispanic-Canadian enchilada.

By working together in the same organization, Latino professionals stood to gain some much-needed Canadian clout — or so Ospina thought.

There was just one problem.

It didn't work.

Now under new leadership, the group recently reverted to its old name and to its original Colombia-centric identity.

"The new boss decided to focus on one country," says Ospina, who has since moved on to other projects aimed at promoting Canada's 700,000-strong Hispanic community. "I think it's sad, but it's a reality."

Roll over Simon Bolivar — and welcome to the frenetic but fragmented world of Latinos living abroad.

By some estimates, Spanish-speaking Canadians now make up the third-largest ethnic minority in the land, after Chinese and South Asians. Most live in southern Ontario, mainly in Toronto, where something worth talking about is happening in Spanish every day of the week.

But you wouldn't necessarily know it by looking around, because the political influence and physical visibility of Toronto's Latinos continue to lag behind their fast-growing numbers and for one main reason.

Unlike other immigrant groups — each with just one mother country to toast with teary nostalgia each time another national day rolls around — Latinos in Canada have a grand total of 20 homelands.

Twenty-one if you include Portuguese-speaking Brazil, which not everybody does.

The result is a lot of narrowly defined groups pulling in a lot of different directions.

"Within the Latin community, there is too much going on in bits and pieces," says Roberto Hausman, a Uruguayan-Canadian who hosts Latin Life, a weekly TV program on the A-Channel showcasing the local Hispanic community for an English-speaking audience. "There are too many little groups doing too many little things."

As Bolivar discovered two centuries ago, Latinos don't tend to rally behind a common flag.

"We do tend to keep a dual mentality," says Eduardo Garay, executive director of Toronto's Centre for Spanish-speaking Peoples, a community agency. "In some aspects, we identify as Latinos. In others, we keep our national backgrounds."

Mexicans mingle with Mexicans. Cubans consort with Cubans. Chileans chill a la chilena.

This thicket of national divisions means there's really no part of Toronto that anyone readily identifies with Latin America.

"One of the things that we do need is a Latin town," says Ospina. "It's a challenge."

The closest thing to a Hispanic business district runs along St. Clair Ave. W., between Bathurst St. and Dufferin St. Here, you can find about two-dozen Latin businesses or restaurants. Anchoring the barrio is Super Latin Music at 1088 St. Clair Ave. W., a rollicking, 13-year-old establishment owned by Joe Nuñez, formerly of Ecuador. Although nominally a music store, the operation also does a brisk sideline in Latin groceries.

If anyone in Toronto knows all about the atomizing tendencies of Latin Americans, it's Nuñez.

"We've got to cater to different countries," he says.

Argentines are crazy for tango, of course, but also have their own versions of rock and pop. Colombians take to salsa, as well as vallenato and cumbia. Cubans have their own brand of salsa, particularly a hard-driving form called timba. Dominicans adore merengue and bachata. Mexico means ranchera music, as well as tejana and Mexican pop.

When it comes to groceries, things get even more minutely multicultural, and the grocery section of Nuñez's music store just keeps growing — jars of cactus chunks from Mexico, tinned tuna from Ecuador, yerba de mate from Argentina, cornmeal from Venezuela, several varieties of chili peppers, plus 21 different kinds of cooking sauce.

Nuñez is fast running out of counter space.

"It's a growing community," he says. "Who knows? Tomorrow, someone from another country will say, `Hey, how come you don't have this product?'"

Tastes in music and food can be divisive — but so, too, can wars.

Latin America has had plenty of those, leaving psychological wounds that have yet to heal.

And what to make of Spain?

Canadians of Castilian origin are generally counted among the Latino community hereabouts. But not everyone is entirely happy rubbing elbows at social functions with the descendants of their former colonial masters.

Latinos in this city are also divided into several more or less discrete waves of immigration. Most recently, new arrivals from Latin America have been heavily weighted toward professionals from Colombia, Argentina and Venezuela.

Meanwhile, community leaders believe the differences dividing Hispanic-Canadians are gradually starting to blur, as Latinos adapt to life in Canada.

"I'm a Colombian, and yet I love to eat tamales from Guatemala or pupusas from El Salvador," says Garay. "The Latin American community in Canada is blending, unifying itself."

One evening last month, about 400 Latino sophisticates took over a theatre on Eglinton Ave. W. for the second-annual Hispanoforum — a chance to hobnob on a bitterly cold night in a rather sedate northern town.

The audience included plenty of Latin success stories, and the speakers' list was luminous.

Later, the attendees gathered to schmooze, exchange business cards, and plot strategies for the future. It didn't seem to matter who was from Colombia, who from Peru, or who from the Dominican Republic.

"There are two things that unite us as Hispanics — language and culture," says Ospina, one of the evening's organizers. "We share common traits, and we share a common language."

A quartet of musicians from Mexico provided a strolling serenade. At least, they were dressed as Mexicans, in traditional mariachi garb and matching sombreros. But the violinist turned out to be Cuban, the bass player was from El Salvador, one of the guitarists was Ecuadorean, and only Jorge Lopez, the band leader, was of Mexican origin. Yet there they all were, belting out Cielito Lindo as if they were all members of the same Latin family.

Maybe Bolivar was wrong, after all. Maybe it is possible to plough the sea. You just have to come to Canada in winter, when even water is apt to be solid.

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torontotrucho wrote:  MOnday Dec.12.  Waving the Flags/ LAtinos don't rally under just one. byOakland Ross.  Yes, He says that according to some who know, We are the third largest ethnic minority..But for many, it's a fragmented existence.  Go buy the paper and then will write about it, hurry people. here's the link:  http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/A rticle_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1134344412054 Well, you guys try to read it. Thanks "Que Chula Linda".-- Edited by torontotrucho at 13:45, 2005-12-12 I READ THIS IN METRO THE FREE EDITION TODAY..

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ANd, what do you think about it Joker?