Going back to the topic... (Sheesh! You people, stay focused, pleeeze)

I don't agree with prostitution, only because if it were the mere exchange of goods, straight-forward, all would be fine.  But there is no way a woman (or a man) can sell their bodies for sex and it not affect their psyche. Too many emotions and consequences that'll affect the "seller" are involved. So no, sex should never be for sale.

LGigolo wrote:

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 I am very TEMPTED to fall in the “trap” you have set before me… pero, me estoy tratando de reformar and not make it an all sexual comments from LG all the time adjustment… so, no, I will not ask you if you wanted Me to join you!!!!                                           But if you DO want that… PM me! *jokes*

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LGigolo wrote:

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Miel wrote: Paying for sex,. i guess is in each one decision,.. ..I agree with most of the Lg points,. so I won't repeat them,.. .. You’re a smart girl!   (and who knew… I CAN put a sentence or two together without coming on to a foro female!)   LOL                         What you doing tonite, Miel? (maybe it is too much to ask to behave forever!)  

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Sweety, regarding this comment: (BTW insulting any church or religion is crass and i'm sure below you, so I'll let it slip) 

This is all I have to say...

 neruda wrote:

Lahtina wrote:

What' the ethical difference between being a client of a prostitute to leading people on for several weeks just to get laid? It seems likely that the relationship between a sex worker and a client is far less likely to involve deceit (over the nature of the relationship) that unpaid sexual relationships.

Perhaps both situations are wrong.

 

 And why am I not surprised at you still being horny after all the "sex" you're getting?

It seems, at least for me, the more sex I get the hornier I get.

 

Lahtina wrote:

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No, besides coming off as awfully prudish you didn't say whether you'd do it or not and give your own reasons and not resort to a little "Ethical lecture". In a perfect world everyone could have their sexual needs met through unpaid relationships. However, there is clearly a market for paid sexual services in society and there are people willing to provide a service. I don’t think it is unethical to be a sex worker. I don’t see any basis for claims that it is unethical except prejudice. The treatment of sex workers may be unethical. However, the question of whether sex work is inherently unethical, and whether sex workers are treated unethically, are two different issues. Is it ethically wrong to be a client of a sex worker? It can be, but depends on the circumstances. If you are knowingly engaging an underage sex worker, or one that is working against their will, then that is clearly unethical. If you have made a commitment of sexual fidelity to a partner and are using a sex worker without your partner's knowledge or consent then you are betraying their trust and that is unethical. However, ethically this is no different to having unpaid sex outside of a relationship under the same circumstances. What' the ethical difference between being a client of a prostitute to leading people on for several weeks just to get laid? It seems likely that the relationship between a sex worker and a client is far less likely to involve deceit (over the nature of the relationship) that unpaid sexual relationships. Everyone knows what they are there for. I'm not convinced yet as to how being a prostitute is unethical. You may judge it a more preferable relationship to have sex in than one involving a sex worker and a paying customer, but that does not make prostitution unethical. And why am I not surprised at you still being horny after all the "sex" you're getting?

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How can I comment on morality if you wont accept ethics?! Its not a lecture (i didn't tell you what to do) but an explanation. If I simply said sex for money is wrong it would not suffice (at least for someone of your intelligence) for it begs the question, "why is it wrong?".

This a highly ethical/moral issue. I purposely avoided any reference to religion for reasons I won't get into here. (BTW insulting any church or religion is crass and i'm sure below you, so I'll let it slip) 

Therefore the "test" I used is "would I want my loved one (sister, mother, child, etc)  doing this?" Would I encourage such behaviour? After some reflection, my answer was no. It does not mean I would love them less if I found them engaged in such activity nor would I have the power to stop them. (re:freedoms) 

The reason why i wouldn't want them engaged in this behaviour is manyfold and explained in my previous answers. Basing it on my system of beliefs, I would consider it unethical. You seem to have a different system of beliefs and find nothing wrong with it. I can not judge you for that, however if you ask the question why are people against money for sex than you should be prepared to hear answers that may conflict with you beliefs.

Lahtina wrote:

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I would like to leave religion out of this discussion altogether since (in my eyes) she is the biggest prostitute of them all - Roman Catholic, that is. Or is it natural to put a price on faith?

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"Hell has no fury like woman's scorn"

LOL, you better believe it!

Care to answer the real question?

Lahtina wrote:

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Anyway, I just remembered that the original point of this thread was: Would you pay for sex?

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Some men pay compliments to get women in bed. No harm in paying them cash and skipping all the bs.

neruda wrote:

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Do we want it to be consider a viable career choice for our young girls and boys? For the most part I believe not. Most of would shiver at the thought that our daughters (and sons) would be doing that. So that begs the question - why would we consider it so reprehensible? It probably derives from exchanging money for sex as an affront to basic values.

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Duh! Most of us wouldn't want our kinds smoking, drinking, doing drugs, getting pregnant before marriage, etc. etc. The key is education but it isn't always the solution? People will ultimately do what they want.  

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That the sex we want for our children when they grow up is the beautiful sex that happens between two people in love, full of meaning, etc. Not the kind of sex that is sold. That sex is devoid of meaning.

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Again, what we want for our children isn't always what our children want for themselves.

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Without getting too personal, great sex is possible even without emotional entanglements. But great sex with emotional bonding is spectacular! Isn't that what we want people to have? Wouldn't that lead to greater happiness in the world? So maybe that's what we strive for when we frown upon prostitution -the cheapening of an experience.

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You need a reality check, dude. You know that isn't possible for everyone.

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From a sociological perspective, women selling their bodies for money would lead them to be exploited. If you make it a viable and accepted trade you are telling young women to pursue a career where there is no training or schooling involved. 

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Another reality check. Your romantic ideas are all very nice but again, they do not fit the reality of the world. Denying that a woman's body is her own property is a natural byproduct of political tyranny.

The fundamental freedoms of many constitutions are the same:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion; (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and (d) freedom of association.

These rights are not given to us by The Constitution, but are instead protected by it. So why violate the premise by prohibiting relations between consenting adults?

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I believe we should decriminalize prostitution but keep it illegal. Too many sex trade workers are vulnerable to dangerous situations because of the criminal nature of the "profession".  

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Well, that is the major problem. Prostitution, in many cases, is that its modern day slavery. If a whore has an "agent" (other wise known as a pimp) she doesn't get much cash, but the pimp takes care of her to an extent, and once she's in there's no leaving. Now, if it were legalized, the story would be different.

Someone else's arguments PRO & CON:

(found at: http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~lew39/My_Writer's_Profile.html )

Essay #4 (Short Argument #1):  I wrote this paper on the "con" side of legalizing prostitution.  I gave some background information in the beginning, stating how unhealthy it is for women, and the average age of entry into prostitution (thirteen or fourteen years old).  I then went on to discuss how incest is/was common among prostitutes, and how they are the most vulnerable to rape.  I gave statistics from sources that showed high suicide rates for prostitutes.  I also argued that it is an immoral profession because of the high usage of pornography in the prostitution business.  A counterargument I mentioned was that some people claim prostitution to be a reasonably successful way of making money.  Yet, it is not a respectful way.  I concluded by stating that completely getting rid of prostitution in the United States would improve our country's morale.

Essay #5 (Short Argument #2):  In my "pro" argument, "for" prostitution, I gave background information showing that prostitution is the world's oldest profession, and is legal in most countries.  Some supporting evidence I gave included the fact that if it were legalized, it could be made a very respectable, decent occupation, because cleaner facilities would be provided.  I also gave readers a more personal insight to the topic, by sharing stories of people who were involved in the prostitution business.  I also discussed the fact that legalizing it would reduce petty court cases and crime on the streets.  I gave a counterargument, stating that Minnesota was thinking of legalizing it, but the people did not want to.  However, they should realize that this is the best solution, because whether or not it is leagal, it is still going on.  In conclusion I stated that leagalizing prostitution would turn the so-called immoral profession into a cleaner, more respectable job.

Essay #6 (Extended Argument):  For this essay, I combined ideas from essays #5 and #6 to form an extended argument covering both sides of the issue of legalizing prostitution.  I took the position of "con" for this essay, because there was stronger evidence to support that view.  Most of the sources and support I found were the same as those used in the previous two essays.  

    In writing these essays, I learned many skills.  I learned how to organize my papers better, and how to keep readers interested when reading my essays.  I believe my writing skills definitely developed after having more experience, through writing these papers.

    The essay that was most helpful for my development as a critical thinker, reader, and writer was definitely the extended argument.  I really dove into this paper, because it was about I topic that I got to choose, making the research much more interesting.  I developed most as a writer, because I had never written an argumentative paper like this before.  I enjoyed this essay most of all.

McOSIRIS wrote:

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McOSIRIS wrote:
AAAAAANDA LAVARTELA "CON SHA"MPOO!!!!!!!!!!
sorry.....I forgot......

AWEONAO!!!!!!!!

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neruda wrote:

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Lahtina, your initial argument is about why people have sex. Well the primordial drive to have sex is undis****ble. But nothing in that argument supports prostitution. Prostitution has always been with us and will always (at least in the near future) be with us. Buts its rarely been accepted by society. Do we want it to be consider a viable career choice for our young girls and boys? For the most part I believe not. Most of would shiver at the thought that our daughters (and sons) would be doing that. So that begs the question - why would we consider it so reprehensible? It probably derives from exchanging money for sex as an affront to basic values. That the sex we want for our children when they grow up is the beautiful sex that happens between two people in love, full of meaning, etc. Not the kind of sex that is sold. That sex is devoid of meaning. Which also begs the question what’s wrong with sex that’s devoid of meaning? Although at times it may prove satisfactory, many would agree soon feeling of emptiness would arise. Could the sex drive be a biological imperative connected to our psychological need for for intimacy? Perhaps. Without getting too personal, great sex is possible even without emotional entanglements. But great sex with emotional bonding is spectacular! Isn't that what we want people to have? Wouldn't that lead to greater happiness in the world? So maybe that's what we strive for when we frown upon prostitution -the cheapening of an experience. From a sociological perspective, women selling their bodies for money would lead them to be exploited. If you make it a viable and accepted trade you are telling young women to pursue a career where there is no training or schooling involved. An attractive thought for those who hate learning. But then they are at the mercy of a vagarious market. Used until they are no longer desired. Besides just think of all potential poets, doctors, musicians, carpenters, etc lost because those young girls quit school because they can make serious coin turning tricks. There's also the problem of drugs which I address on another post regarding stripping.  I believe we should decriminalize prostitution but keep it illegal. Too many sex trade workers are vulnerable to dangerous situations because of the criminal nature of the "profession".  

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Neruda - I think you pretty much have the same sentiments I have towards prostitution.  Who in their right mind would want to encourage their daughters, nieces, sisters, mothers or even strangers to a life of prostitution?  NONE!

On the argument that someone brought up earlier that legalizing it may make it safer.  Not sure if the reference was in reference towards the physical well being of a prostitute or the *health* of all the parties involved.  It may, perhaps, make it safer from the physical safety point of view for the ones that are governed and controlled within an organization.  However, who’s to say that illegal prostitutes will disappear altogether – I would bet that they won’t and illegal prostitution will continue on a dark market where pimps will continue to force underage young girls to turn tricks so they can make a buck.  Not only that; but prostitutes who can not work legally for health related issues (I.E.: HIV and Aids, Hepatitis C, etc carriers) they will make themselves available in an alley somewhere and find a way to continue turning tricks.

Prostitution is the oldest profession and it won’t disappear – but we should not encourage it or make it easier for it to happen any more easily than it already does.

McOSIRIS wrote:

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AAAAAANDA LAVARTELA "CON SHA"MPOO!!!!!!!!!!

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sorry.....I forgot......

AWEONAO!!!!!!!!

neruda wrote:

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Lahtina wrote: After talking to Dogo on Neruda's Empanada/Pinochet thread. I started to wonder about sex. Mainly, I was wondering why paying for sex is seen negatively. I mean serioulsy, who readily admits to having hired the services of a prostitute? I want you to ponder some things before answering the question. Why do people have sex? Sexual behavior in humans may be performed for the purposes of reproduction, the expressing of affection, spiritual transcendence, the release of tension, the experiencing and enjoyment of  pleasure (known in this context as " sexual gratification"), for physical exercise, or a combination of any or all of these things. The desire for sex is often considered one of the basic drives of human behavior. In psychology, motivation is the driving force (desire) behind all actions of human beings, animals and lower organisms. Motivation is often based on emotions, specifically, on the search for positive emotional experiences and the avoidance of negative ones, where positive and negative are defined by the individual brain state, not by social norms: a person may be driven to self-injury or violence because their brain is conditioned to create a positive response to these actions. Motivation is important because it is involved in the performance of all learned responses. What other motivations are we driven by? Fear and desire are, apparently, the more complex ones. The easiest kinds of motivation to analyse are those based upon obvious physiological needs. These include hunger, thirst, and escape from pain.  Think about this. We pay to acquire services that will satisfy our hunger and our thirst. We pay for the right to sleep in a bed when we can't sleep in our own. In a lot of Latin American (Mexico for sure) you pay to be allowed to use a public washroom. If you are wealthy and fear for your security you pay someone to protect you. We are living in a system where we must pay/buy almost everything. So... Why is paying for sex still frowned upon? Lahtina, your initial argument is about why people have sex. Well the primordial drive to have sex is undis****ble. But nothing in that argument supports prostitution. Prostitution has always been with us and will always (at least in the near future) be with us. Buts its rarely been accepted by society. Do we want it to be consider a viable career choice for our young girls and boys? For the most part I believe not. Most of would shiver at the thought that our daughters (and sons) would be doing that. So that begs the question - why would we consider it so reprehensible? It probably derives from exchanging money for sex as an affront to basic values. That the sex we want for our children when they grow up is the beautiful sex that happens between two people in love, full of meaning, etc. Not the kind of sex that is sold. That sex is devoid of meaning. Which also begs the question what’s wrong with sex that’s devoid of meaning? Although at times it may prove satisfactory, many would agree soon feeling of emptiness would arise. Could the sex drive be a biological imperative connected to our psychological need for for intimacy? Perhaps. Without getting too personal, great sex is possible even without emotional entanglements. But great sex with emotional bonding is spectacular! Isn't that what we want people to have? Wouldn't that lead to greater happiness in the world? So maybe that's what we strive for when we frown upon prostitution -the cheapening of an experience. From a sociological perspective, women selling their bodies for money would lead them to be exploited. If you make it a viable and accepted trade you are telling young women to pursue a career where there is no training or schooling involved. An attractive thought for those who hate learning. But then they are at the mercy of a vagarious market. Used until they are no longer desired. Besides just think of all potential poets, doctors, musicians, carpenters, etc lost because those young girls quit school because they can make serious coin turning tricks. There's also the problem of drugs which I address on another post regarding stripping.  I believe we should decriminalize prostitution but keep it illegal. Too many sex trade workers are vulnerable to dangerous situations because of the criminal nature of the "profession".  

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AAAAAANDA LAVARTELA "CON SHA"MPOO!!!!!!!!!!

I have NEVER paid for that type of empanada - never have... can not say that never will... I probably would shell some dough if VIDA came to me and said give me a few bucks for a test ride! LOL

I am against LEGALIZING prostitution.  Legal MJ for medicinal purposes ok... in general, NAHHH (Sorry Chile, Daeweed, McOjuana )... what next legalize meth, cocaina, etc? nahhhh.  Thanks, but no thanks.

so, if they legalize prostis.. and we pay taxes on it... do we take work-related clients for a lil sex romp and declare it as a tax break at the end of the "fU.cking" (literally) year?

Paradox wrote:

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 know, McOsiris... That just happens to be part of my charm/repulsion. It's the joke that isn't funny. My seventh post. Sinful.

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got it....

that was/wasn't funny....

McOSIRIS wrote:

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dude/girl....you don't have to count your threads...there's an "automatic" counter  and you won't even realized when it says "2000" posts...

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I know, McOsiris... That just happens to be part of my charm/repulsion. It's the joke that isn't funny.

My seventh post. Sinful.

torontotrucho wrote:

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 Because the goverment doesn't  get any tax from it?,maybe?  

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Agreed... Not to mention the fact that, like many other things, prostitution will occur whether it is legal or not. It's a huge industry... Why not tax it and make it safer for all the participants?

 

By the way, that was my fifth post. Bye, everyone.