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all the pittbulls i know are soo nice...and they dont bite at all...

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I think it is so wrong. They can be dangerous, but most of the time it's just the owner's fault. People like to train their dogs to be vicious, because it makes them look 'bad'. I think they should do a screening on the people who buy the pups, and maybe even have special dog training laws for the breed... But to kill off an entire breed? In my opinion, is disgusting.

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Lahtina wrote: Actually no, I was talking about you. Hmmm ya, speaking of b*tches.............       LOL!!


Grrrrrrrrr  Wait till I get my hands on you! LOL... good one, dude. It's about time, too!



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Actually no, I was talking about you.


Hmmm ya, speaking of b*tches.............


 


 


 


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Actually no, I was talking about you.



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As an animal lover I don't think they should have to pay the price for the actions of irresponsible people.




In a perfect world.... agreed. But if the next best solution politicians could come up with, to get rid of a few idiotic owners, was to get rid of the breed all together (and possibly more in the future) then I'd be willing to to go through some scrutiny in order to avoid that


(I'm just assuming you were talking to me, lol!)



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As an animal lover I don't think they should have to pay the price for the actions of irresponsible people.

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Ohhh I would love to see it!!!  That would be awesome!! OK, we’re still talking about the dog, right? LOL!! (sorry couldn’t resist, lol!) But yeah! If you want to, just PM me anytime


My dog is 120 pounds and yep he is hard to handle when he really want to get away!  He is pure muscle too.....NOT FAT...I hate fat dogs. Hummm I wonder if I could walk your dog??  I see people in the park and EVERYONE asks me how I handle him.  He is pretty good though and he obeys me but I guess if he really wanted to get away he could.


QUESTION:  Does yours have a choke collar with spikes on the inside? No she’s not on a “spiked” choker… yet. I’m trying to avoid it at all costs (I find it a bit cruel) but if she gets any stronger I’ll have no choice but to walk her with one





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You can have a look at those web page, in term of "cruzas", checar consanguinidad (muy importante), etc...


http://www.argentumdogos.com/


http://www.chamical.8m.com/


Federacion Cinologica Argentina


www.fca2000.org.ar



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Chilenita wrote: Yeah I love them too!  My husband is from Coroba and that is where DOGO's were "made" and he is dying to have one!!!  They are sooooooooooooooo cute when they are small but I don't know if I can handle another huge dog!!!  We are thinking of bringing one back from Arg but we are still debating!  The Mr. wants a BIG white one to match the massive black one we have!!  My dog is still a baby so I don't know if I can handle another puppy right now!  I guess we will see in January!  I already have a male and I am NOT fixing him so it would have to be a female! if you're planing to get one, definitely get it in argentina, they are a rip off here! Careful where you get it though, if they come from a long line of hunters or if the place looks shady you could end up with a "bad" dog, I was lucky enough to find a family that happened to have some nice pups and the Bitch was raised just as a family pet. If you're serious about it consider this: the strenght on these dogs is absolutely incredible!!! I guarantee you you would not be able to handle "it" if it wanted to chase after a dog or something. Mine dragged me a good 6 feet on grass just cause she wanted to go play with another dog, and she was on a choker!!! definitely not a dog for everybody. (you can always come see mine if you wanted to get a better feel for them)


Ohhh I would love to see it!!!  That would be awesome!!


My dog is 120 pounds and yep he is hard to handle when he really want to get away!  He is pure muscle too.....NOT FAT...I hate fat dogs. Hummm I wonder if I could walk your dog??  I see people in the park and EVERYONE asks me how I handle him.  He is pretty good though and he obeys me but I guess if he really wanted to get away he could.


 


QUESTION:  Does yours have a choke collar with spikes on the inside?



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Chilenita wrote:





My husband is from Coroba and that is where DOGO's were "made" and he is dying to have one!!!



Does it still sound weird saying this?


 


 


I know, I know, off subject. Okay, back to the topic.



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Yeah I love them too!  My husband is from Coroba and that is where DOGO's were "made" and he is dying to have one!!!  They are sooooooooooooooo cute when they are small but I don't know if I can handle another huge dog!!!  We are thinking of bringing one back from Arg but we are still debating!  The Mr. wants a BIG white one to match the massive black one we have!!  My dog is still a baby so I don't know if I can handle another puppy right now!  I guess we will see in January!  I already have a male and I am NOT fixing him so it would have to be a female!

if you're planing to get one, definitely get it in argentina, they are a rip off here!


Careful where you get it though, if they come from a long line of hunters or if the place looks shady you could end up with a "bad" dog, I was lucky enough to find a family that happened to have some nice pups and the Bitch was raised just as a family pet.


If you're serious about it consider this: the strenght on these dogs is absolutely incredible!!! I guarantee you you would not be able to handle "it" if it wanted to chase after a dog or something. Mine dragged me a good 6 feet on grass just cause she wanted to go play with another dog, and she was on a choker!!! definitely not a dog for everybody.


(you can always come see mine if you wanted to get a better feel for them)



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Bainaman wrote: Chilenita wrote: DOGO, How big is your DOGO?  NOT YOUR DOGUITO...I know that is huge...or so I hear...I mean your dog....how big?   Straight up.....that's the BIGGEST DOG I've ever seen......and it's a biatch.....I don't EVER wanna see the male........ She's nothing man! the males are the "big" ones!! imagen a 170 pound version of her! I find them beautiful though, so graceful, they move like the big cats (sorry, but I'm a fan)

Yeah I love them too!  My husband is from Coroba and that is where DOGO's were "made" and he is dying to have one!!!  They are sooooooooooooooo cute when they are small but I don't know if I can handle another huge dog!!!  We are thinking of bringing one back from Arg but we are still debating!  The Mr. wants a BIG white one to match the massive black one we have!!  My dog is still a baby so I don't know if I can handle another puppy right now!  I guess we will see in January!  I already have a male and I am NOT fixing him so it would have to be a female!

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Chilenita wrote: DOGO, How big is your DOGO?  NOT YOUR DOGUITO...I know that is huge...or so I hear...I mean your dog....how big?   Straight up.....that's the BIGGEST DOG I've ever seen......and it's a biatch.....I don't EVER wanna see the male........


She's nothing man! the males are the "big" ones!! imagen a 170 pound version of her!


I find them beautiful though, so graceful, they move like the big cats (sorry, but I'm a fan)



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I have been bitten by dogs twice... TWICE! The second time it was an adorable poodle... and its adorable teeth hurt like hell! So I'm very afraid of dogs. Very, very afraid of dogs... but from that to killing them... I don't know... Like you said, Julie, it's the owner's main responsibility to make sure it doesn't hurt people.

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Those breeds are no necessarily ingressives but they do have the most powerful jaws, which make it very difficult to open when they bite something.


 


A “vosal”, will make pple fell more secure when they come across those dogs in the street. But I don’t think this is a solution and I believe it can trigger the aggressive side of the dog.


 


Unfortunately, your dog, will probably be consider as a “molosse” (strong jaws, big dog, …) and face the same problems even if she is the sweetest thing. New laws are coming out all the time around the world and the "problems" still persists.


 


Which prove that it is more something to do with the owners than the dogs



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DOGO, How big is your DOGO?  NOT YOUR DOGUITO...I know that is huge...or so I hear...I mean your dog....how big?


 


Straight up.....that's the BIGGEST DOG I've ever seen......and it's a biatch.....I don't EVER wanna see the male........



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Chilenita wrote:


DOGO, How big is your DOGO?  NOT YOUR DOGUITO...I know that is huge...or so I hear...I mean your dog....how big?


last time i weighed her she was 110 pounds (about three months ago) she just turned 2, she's very muscular and tall for a female, but she looks slender to me (by Dogo standards) then again it might just be me, 'cause i saw her grow up, 'cause everyone that comes to the house is like "holy Shit!! she's a horse!!" lol!


ask baina! trying to give her a cookie over the kitchen island, 4 feet away!! LOL!!



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DOGO,


How big is your DOGO?  NOT YOUR DOGUITO...I know that is huge...or so I hear...I mean your dog....how big?



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I'm a bit split with this ban, I've always believed that it really comes down to the master, but at the same time I don't know Pits well enough to know whether they are as aggressive as they say they are and should be banned or not. , But really all this ban will do is steer people into other aggressive or strong breeds.


That's where this ban scares me a bit. As some of you know I’m dad to an Argentine Dogo, many times mistaken by a huge white Pit (not really sure why, but…) the dog is the sweetest dog I’ve ever had (I’ve been through 5 dogs) we treat her like a baby and she has zero aggression that we can tell (she’s actually a horrible guard dog, lol) she truly believes she’s a lap dog, great with kids etc., but she does look very intimidating and admittedly she could potentially be trained to be an aggressive dog and can be very harmful. In the right hands they are amazing dogs and will almost never attack unless it’s attacked, problem is their attacks (as pitbulls, I suppose) but they are very passive (unlike pitbulls)


I already get cops driving by real slow whenever I’m walking her. Thankfully the breed is not very well known. But I’m afraid that this ban has opened the doors to other breeds such as mine being banned down the road, because of stupid owners, and that the real dog lovers will end up having to pay for it.

Solution, in my opinion, would be to have owners of large dogs taught, tested, licensed, pay an annual fee and mandatory registration of dogs over a certain size, that should keep the irresponsible owners away… or at least many of them

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PPL WHO HAVE THIS DOGS USUALLY HAVE THEM BECAUSE THEY JUST WANT 2 LOOK BAD, MOST OF THIS DOGS ARE IN HANDS OF TEEN AND THEY HAVE NO TRAINING WHAT SO EVER, I THING THE OWNERS SHOULD BE HOLD RESPONSIBLE WHEN THIS DOGS ATTACK SOME1 AND CHARGE THEM LIKE IF THEY HAVE COMMITED THIS CRIME, THAT WAY AND ONLY THAT WAY PEOPLE WILL STOP USING THEM US WEAPONS..

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I THINK THIS IS TRULY SAD AND WONT SOLVE ANYTHING! I HAD A PITBULL AND IT WAS SO SWEET JUST A PUPPY NOW HES BIGGER HOWEVER I HAD TO GIVE HIM AWAY MY LANDLADY WOULDNT LET ME KEEP HIM DUE TO SHE DIDNT LIKE PETS IN HER HOUSE?? BUT NOW HE LIVES WITH A GREAT FAMILY AND IS NO DANGER!


R'S PARENTS HAVE A ROTTI AND HES 200LBS OF DOG! AND LET ME TELL U HES THE SWEETEST DOG EVER! I MEAN IF U ROBB THE PLACE HES GONNA HELP U LOL


I THINK WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IS NOW IF U BUY A DOG MANDETORY DOG TRAINING AND IF NOT THEN U DONT GET THE DOG! PLAIN AND SIMPLE! AND HAVE THESE TRAINING SCHOOLS LOWER THERE PRICES!



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I don't know about Pit's but in the summer I was attacked by a Fierce Poodle.... That capullo is bad a$$.....


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'che wey ! todavia tengo los colmillos marcados !




Stop bad mouthing capullo....he's sensitive you know....

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That's why I have a cat as pet....


Although she can get pretty agressive sometimes...specially when I borrow her Whiskas....



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Pobrecitooooooooooooooooo


Si...pobrecito el perro.....




'che wey ! todavia tengo los colmillos marcados !

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I don't know about Pit's but in the summer I was attacked by a Fierce Poodle.... That capullo is bad a$$.....

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I think that killing them is not the solution.... ...the solution would be to not have those pets as domestic pets. Some dogs are instinctively more agressive than others.......that doesn't make them bad animals.....just bad to have a domestic pets. Just 'cause they might look cute or something....it doesn't mean we can fully tame them. I'm sure some behaviour can be taught....but when an animals feels the instinct to attack.....YOU AIN'T GONNA STOP IT FROM DOING IT!!!! It's funny how some breeds of the same animal are viewed differently...... Like many kids have hampsters for pets.....but wouldn't have a rat as one.....LOL I don't know.......I love how wild felines look......but I'd never have one as a pet. I'm not willing to take the risk of having it bite some kids head off..............I see dogs the same way......some are nice to look at.....and that's all.  

Well, unfortunatly, as you know, pple do have them as pet. I've seen few lions, and panthers in pet shops for sale as pets. But first, they're declawed, they brake their forearm (or for arm ?) supposedly to make them weaker. And all that for what ? Ohhh but the store will tell you that it is perfectly legal and that they do a back ground check first and make sure that the animal has the right space and environment to live in ! Sorry but I don't buy it. I also knew of a lion being the "security" animal in a warehouse at night ! Pinches narcos !

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IT ALL COMES DOWN ON HOW THE OWNER TRAINS THE DOG.... IF THE OWNER TRAINS THE DOG TO BE AGRESSIVE AND VIOLENT IT WONT KNOW ANY BETTER AND WILL REACT LIKE THAT WITH EVERYONE INCLUDING FAMILY MEMBERS....


A DOG IS AGRESSIVE BY NATURE....KNOWING HOW TO TRAIN YOUR MASCOT IS THE KEY...


I THINK THE IDEA TO BAN CERTAIN BREEDS IS DUMB.... THAT DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT THAT BREED WILL NO LONGER EXIST!!!!



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It’s not the dogs’ fault that they are raised/trained to be aggressive and violent.  If certain breeds of dogs are banned it won’t solve the problem because the people who want to will find another breed of dog and train them to be aggressive and violent … what will they do they, extinguish another breed of dog?



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I am against this!!!  Totally against it!!  I agree that it's almost always the owners fault!!  People buy dogs all the time and don't bother looking into how to train and socialize the breed properly.


 


I own a 120 pound rottwieler and he is only ten months old which means he will be getting a bit thicker and heavier.  He is huge....BIG teeth and tons of strength.  I didn't just buy him without looking into HOW TO PROPERLY train him.  I have socailized him well with people since the day I brought him home and I train him on an on going basis.  He has the potential to rip someone's face off and I know this so I am extremly careful with how I handle him.  He is a loving dog that is super nice and playful...great with people and kids but I still watch his every move when we are in a park or around people that he does not know.  He is naturally VERY protective of me so I keep this in mind when people enter my house or when people approach me in parks to pet him.  When you purchase a dog with the amount of strenght that mine has or a pittbull has you must give it proper training and truly have the dog dominated!!!!!



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I think that killing them is not the solution....


...the solution would be to not have those pets as domestic pets.


Some dogs are instinctively more agressive than others.......that doesn't make them bad animals.....just bad to have a domestic pets. Just 'cause they might look cute or something....it doesn't mean we can fully tame them. I'm sure some behaviour can be taught....but when an animals feels the instinct to attack.....YOU AIN'T GONNA STOP IT FROM DOING IT!!!!


It's funny how some breeds of the same animal are viewed differently......


Like many kids have hampsters for pets.....but wouldn't have a rat as one.....LOL


I don't know.......I love how wild felines look......but I'd never have one as a pet. I'm not willing to take the risk of having it bite some kids head off..............I see dogs the same way......some are nice to look at.....and that's all.


 



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Interesting topic...I saw somebody reading about that in yesterday's newspaper, while I was having my coffee....


 


Personally I don't like that type of dogs, but I don't think they should ne euthanized....


I think chiwawas should...cuz they're just sooooooooo ugly...



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As you might know, as of today, all new born puppies, in Ontario, from Staffordshire bull terrier, the American Staffordshire terrier, the American pit bull terrier, pit bulls might be euthanized.


This is the measure taken to avoid accident to happened but will it really work ? I mena, pple will just have to go and by their puppy elswhere and bring it to Ont.


I know these breed scare a lots of pple but I sincerely think that the owner is more to blame that the dog.


I personnally have been in contact with those breeds and let me tell you that I have learned a lot about them. I respect them but I am not scare and beleive me I had been in situations where I still wonder how we were able to manage it ! I kown dogs, that were just asking to be pet and play with you, never showing an ounce of agresivitym they were just loving animals (coming from beauty or fights "lineaje"). I also worked with pit abandoned, left for dead after dog fights (a classic in Mx) which we tried to relocate in families or farms depending on how well we were able to reabilitate them. Of course, some, we had to put to sleep because there was nothing we could do and they were to dangerous.


But I still think the major problem is the owner and that the only thing that will provoque is a under market that can not be controlled and pple that will look for other breeds and will try to play God mixing some others and see what will come out.


What do you think about it ?


 



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