Do you vote?

GENIE · Foro Master

RE: Do you vote?

Chilenita · Comandante

Anybody decide who they are voting for?

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

I am voting liberal

Chilenita · Comandante

MONDAY JANUARY 23/05.....ELECTION DAY!!!! VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!

Give a voice to the Latin Community in Canada by making your way to the polls and voting!!!

Chilenita · Comandante

D.J Gonzo was wondering about this so I thought I would bring it back to the top!!!

ELECTIONS are coming people look at the different websites for the NDP, Liberals and conservatives and remember to read the platforms carefully before voting!!!!

Also remember that the NDP and the LIBERALS are the only two parties that do ANYTHING for new immigrants!!!!!

torontotrucho · Guru

I always vote, first cause I want my spanish last name accounted, politicians will kiss our asses for a vote, in other words is good for us to be recognized as a voting community and they (politicians) will consider working a bit more for the community, not because they care but because they want our votes.

I usually vote NDP, I remember how they used to help new immigrants many moons ago,well at least they were sympathetic with latinamerican people coming into the Great White NOrth.

If they don't have a chance and the conservatives are dangerously close to win then I vote liberal, otherwise I'll vote NDP.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Ke Te Pika wrote:

WTF??? I DIDNT VOTE ON THIS POLL AND I CAN SEE THE RESULTS...

you came late to the polls bro....

Ke Te Pika · Guru

WTF??? I DIDNT VOTE ON THIS POLL AND I CAN SEE THE RESULTS...

Maracuya · Guru

latinsoulchild wrote:

Don't like politics OR politicians. I've voted a couple times but I don't make it an obligation. I know the "stereotype" on all politicians is that they're crooks. I still think that way. There hasn't been a mention of a "good" politician since John F. Kennedy. If there has been, then I wasn't tuned to CNN at that time.
I just went to City Hall yesterday to pick up some funds from a hispanic politician. He didn't want me to go to his office but just meet him at the main entrance (I dunno why).....so I did. Next thing you know, this dude shows up with a security guard at his side. First thing I though was "this fakkin politico thinks I'm gonna rob his a$$?!?!" I just laughed it off and even cracked jokes at the idiot saying "Damn I forgot my rope and duct tape"..lol. He pays me then the security guard escorts me out. I tried to lag behind and look at the miniature city display they have at the main lobby, but the security guard literaaly rushes me and sees that I'm out of the building. YES I was offended...I wish I had this pricks politico's name...all I know is that he had a Colombian accent and his first name was Ramiro, Can't wait 'till HE runs for some significant position...lol

WHAT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSERS!!!!!!!!!!!

The Fan · Senior Member

I may vote but i think this days a lot on spanish nespapers are trying to make the comunity vote, there was an ad on orgullo hispano last month with Paul Martin telling us he need our vote.

Chilenita · Comandante

So it looks like we are looking at a late January election!!!! This should get interesting!!!!!

Chilenita · Comandante

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

I have big time respect 4 jack layton he play his cards smart, but I am a martin suporter.

that's cool Joker.....Liberal is better than conservative that's for sure!!

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

JOKER_ESCO wrote: Yes I do, cause I think if we vote we become part of the desition making in this country, every vote counts 1 by 1 it makes a different.. Oh yeah I vote liberal. Yep I agree with you joker except I am not liberal....I am NDP! If all the NDP supporters just sat back and did not vote last election than Layton would not have the power he has now! EVERY VOTE COUNTS!!! @DAEVEED....do you vote in the Chilean elections?

I have big time respect 4 jack layton he play his cards smart, but I am a martin suporter.

Chilenita · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:

Chilenita wrote: Yeah I have an uncle (through marriage) that was a milico back then and to be honest I don't know how he lives with himself...actually he has gone a bit nuts but I feel no sympathy....he deserves to have the thoughts haunt his mind until the day he dies!! Ahhh yep let's save if for a beer....or many beers....to much to discuss.... same thing w/ my uncle...he suffers a case of postwar traumatic disorder....and I feel sorry for him...just cuz he's my uncle and I know he wouldn't have done just by the "fun" of it....he was definitely brain washed and ordered to do stuff as well as his family was under constant surveillance (u know it works)...just like any other soldier in combat...

Yeah there were many very young men that were forced into doing things back then and I do feel sorry for them too!!!

My uncle on the other hand has high ranking and did things wanting to do them in fact he probably forced people like your uncle to do things so he can rot in the hell he created for himself as far as I am concerned.....it's still NOTHING in comparision to the pain he helped inflict!

BEER I TELL YOU LET'S LEAVE IT FOR A BEER OR 24.....

latinsoulchild · TOP Guru

Don't like politics OR politicians. I've voted a couple times but I don't make it an obligation. I know the "stereotype" on all politicians is that they're crooks. I still think that way. There hasn't been a mention of a "good" politician since John F. Kennedy. If there has been, then I wasn't tuned to CNN at that time.

I just went to City Hall yesterday to pick up some funds from a hispanic politician. He didn't want me to go to his office but just meet him at the main entrance (I dunno why).....so I did. Next thing you know, this dude shows up with a security guard at his side. First thing I though was "this fakkin politico thinks I'm gonna rob his a$$?!?!" I just laughed it off and even cracked jokes at the idiot saying "Damn I forgot my rope and duct tape"..lol. He pays me then the security guard escorts me out. I tried to lag behind and look at the miniature city display they have at the main lobby, but the security guard literaaly rushes me and sees that I'm out of the building. YES I was offended...I wish I had this pricks politico's name...all I know is that he had a Colombian accent and his first name was Ramiro, Can't wait 'till HE runs for some significant position...lol

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

Yeah I have an uncle (through marriage) that was a milico back then and to be honest I don't know how he lives with himself...actually he has gone a bit nuts but I feel no sympathy....he deserves to have the thoughts haunt his mind until the day he dies!! Ahhh yep let's save if for a beer....or many beers....to much to discuss....

same thing w/ my uncle...he suffers a case of postwar traumatic disorder....and I feel sorry for him...just cuz he's my uncle and I know he wouldn't have done just by the "fun" of it....he was definitely brain washed and ordered to do stuff as well as his family was under constant surveillance (u know it works)...just like any other soldier in combat...

Chilenita · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:

I gotta tell you I have my story as well.... reason enough to share it over a beer... but just a little preview...I grew up right in the middle.... my uncle (my father's bro)was killed Sept 23rd 1977 in a "confrontation", while his brother (my other uncle) disappeared to reappear 15 years later and confessed to have been a CNI all those years (he was milico) so having those two extremes in my family has taught me what to really think and believe...

Yeah I have an uncle (through marriage) that was a milico back then and to be honest I don't know how he lives with himself...actually he has gone a bit nuts but I feel no sympathy....he deserves to have the thoughts haunt his mind until the day he dies!!

Ahhh yep let's save if for a beer....or many beers....to much to discuss....

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

Edited as per request....

I gotta tell you I have my story as well.... reason enough to share it over a beer... but just a little preview...I grew up right in the middle.... my uncle (my father's bro)was killed Sept 23rd 1977 in a "confrontation", while his brother (my other uncle) disappeared to reappear 15 years later and confessed to have been a CNI all those years (he was milico) so having those two extremes in my family has taught me what to really think and believe...

-- Edited by McOSIRIS at 12:42, 2005-11-15

Chilenita · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:

Chile I totally understand your point of view, but isn't time to settle all that hate??? you cannot live your entire life questioning or blaming a certain regime the you didn't even lived... I grew up in a dictadorship, a transition period and finally democracy...and to tell you the truth none of those goverments have had an impact in my life, just becuase I don't allow it... probably that's why i never did my military service, and that's why I'm here.... for me the best party right now is the BCMP ( B.C. marijuana party)

Blah...too much info in my post...let's just say we are Chilean but very different

-- Edited by Chilenita at 12:21, 2005-11-15

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

TV Buff wrote:

Pancho, I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding this particular election. As for voting in general, I do think that apathy is the greatest deterrent for people to vote. The problem with politics is intrinsic to its nature. Politicians have to have a platform that will satisfy the majority. And the discussions and proposals are endless. We as citizens are expecting instant gratification and we also want the things we want individually to make the cut, but it doesn't work that way. In my opinion, as long as a government gives me a good enough framework to develop in, then they can implement whatever ideas and projects they want. I want to be able to be free to choose my own path, and they should be able to provide for that. That's why I vote. And that determines how I vote. The closest a party is to my own ideas, that's who gets my vote. I know it's not going to happen exactly to the t, but if it's close enough, then I'm happy. Not 100% satisfied, because we'll never achieve that, but satisfied.

Very well put... change only begins with us. Keep in mind that we elect our leaders, they cannot get to the position without our say. We may seem like plankton in the political food chain but in fact, we are the top of the heap. WE DECIDE. WE VOTE. WE MAKE THE CHANGE.

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Pancho, I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding this particular election.
As for voting in general, I do think that apathy is the greatest deterrent for people to vote. The problem with politics is intrinsic to its nature. Politicians have to have a platform that will satisfy the majority. And the discussions and proposals are endless. We as citizens are expecting instant gratification and we also want the things we want individually to make the cut, but it doesn't work that way. In my opinion, as long as a government gives me a good enough framework to develop in, then they can implement whatever ideas and projects they want. I want to be able to be free to choose my own path, and they should be able to provide for that. That's why I vote. And that determines how I vote. The closest a party is to my own ideas, that's who gets my vote. I know it's not going to happen exactly to the t, but if it's close enough, then I'm happy. Not 100% satisfied, because we'll never achieve that, but satisfied.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

Daeveed wrote: : That's not true Chile. I was born during that government, so how could it change my life?? Actually, if anything, what changed my life where the democratic governments that came after. But even that change did not have such a big impact in my life. Hummm I was born after the military coup in Chile and I was born here but that goverment is the reason I grew up away from my family....not knowing my grandparents....not being there when family members passed away.....I could go on all day but I wont my point is that particular goverment had a HUGE impact on my life and still does to this day. I thought your situation would have been similar. @Guada...yipee so now you will vote....note to self: take Guada to ndp rally @Baina...lmao...I KNOW I KNOW...lol

Chile I totally understand your point of view, but isn't time to settle all that hate??? you cannot live your entire life questioning or blaming a certain regime the you didn't even lived... I grew up in a dictadorship, a transition period and finally democracy...and to tell you the truth none of those goverments have had an impact in my life, just becuase I don't allow it... probably that's why i never did my military service, and that's why I'm here.... for me the best party right now is the BCMP ( B.C. marijuana party)

Chilenita · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

: That's not true Chile. I was born during that government, so how could it change my life?? Actually, if anything, what changed my life where the democratic governments that came after. But even that change did not have such a big impact in my life.

Hummm I was born after the military coup in Chile and I was born here but that goverment is the reason I grew up away from my family....not knowing my grandparents....not being there when family members passed away.....I could go on all day but I wont my point is that particular goverment had a HUGE impact on my life and still does to this day. I thought your situation would have been similar.

@Guada...yipee so now you will vote....note to self: take Guada to ndp rally

@Baina...lmao...I KNOW I KNOW...lol

Bainaman · Foro Master

Just a small observation.....

Are we the only ones posting on this thread???

Don't you just love foro!!!!

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

Guadalupana wrote:
Daeveed wrote: "Mientras mas conozco al hombre, mas quiero a mi perro." I love it! would you mind if i use that line for my signature?
Hey serious question...is that the first time you ever heard that??? Is that a chilean thing cuz my dad always says that and we don't even have a dog

yes, first time i've heard it, but it's funny because it wouldn't really maka sense would it if i don't have a dog either?

But know what? come to think of it, es mejor querer a algo que sea imaginary...either way, it won't let you down.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

Daveed...you lived in a goverment that changed your life forever!!!!!!!

That's not true Chile.

I was born during that government, so how could it change my life?? Actually, if anything, what changed my life where the democratic governments that came after. But even that change did not have such a big impact in my life.

Chilenita · Comandante

Guadalupana wrote:

Daeveed wrote: "Mientras mas conozco al hombre, mas quiero a mi perro." I love it! would you mind if i use that line for my signature?

Hey serious question...is that the first time you ever heard that??? Is that a chilean thing cuz my dad always says that and we don't even have a dog

Daeveed · Foro Master

Guadalupana wrote:

Daeveed wrote: "Mientras mas conozco al hombre, mas quiero a mi perro." I love it! would you mind if i use that line for my signature?

Sure, it's not mine.

Guadalupana · Foro Master

@ Baina and Chile---you know what guys, just for sake's sake, i will vote for the minor party....then we can come and compare changes and kept promises when and if the party voted for won. fair?

But deep down inside i know it will be a waste of ink and paper that Daeveed could have possibly used to roll a joint.

Chilenita · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

Therefore, it does not make a difference in my life if I vote or not, so why bother.

Daveed...you lived in a goverment that changed your life forever!!!!!!!

Just vote for the party that will leagalize mary jane then....that is something you are passionate about right?

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

"Mientras mas conozco al hombre, mas quiero a mi perro."

I love it!
would you mind if i use that line for my signature?

Bainaman · Foro Master

Guadalupana wrote:

Bainaman wrote: people don't vote because they are ignorant as to how politics work. The general thought about politicians is that they are all crooks.......And most of them are......but at least if you vote for a party that you agree with.....the chances are greater that you will be a part of the change.....change for you, me and everyone else.........Doesn't that sound better than to let someone else dictate it for you? With all due respect Baina, it's not fair to say that those who don't vote are ignorant wen it comes to politics. Sure chances do rise when you vote, and who doesn't want to be part change? everyone wants to make a difference in this world...but can you name me some changes that have taken place in the last two years? for those who did vote, tell me promise was kept since then?

Maybe I didn't write my post clearly......I didn't say that people who don't vote are ignorant.......I said....Many don't vote because they are.

If you feel that nothing has been accomplised in the last two years.....that no changes have been made....and that most if not all the promises that were made....have been broken.......Then why not vote for a party that you feel will keep their promises and make that changes you are looking for?

Like I said to Daeveed......You have the right not to vote......but every vote or non vote does make a difference.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

If you just don't agree with any of the political platforms....and feel that they make no difference to you.......then it's in you right not to vote.........You're just conforming to the norm...........Many things are affected by the government in power...... AHHHH.....What's the point......I know you know all this stuff...... Come to think of it.........If you're about 80% of time in "meditation".......Then I'd rather you not vote!!!!

hahaha, valid point.

I just choose not to vote, but as you said, that does not mean that I choose to be ignorant about it. I like to learn about politics and all that. I was raised (and I'm sure Chile can relate to this) in an environment where politics was everywhere, you could not avoid it.

So yes, I know about it, and it's excactly why the more I know, the more I don't wanna vote for anybody.

"Mientras mas conozco al hombre, mas quiero a mi perro."

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

.You're just conforming to the norm..........

you know what would be abnormal? a politician actually doing what he says he will do.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote: I feel that a lot of people don't vote because they are ignorant as to how politics work. The general thought about politicians is that they are all crooks.......And most of them are......but at least if you vote for a party that you agree with.....the chances are greater that you will be a part of the change.....change for you, me and everyone else.........Doesn't that sound better than to let someone else dictate it for you? There's also an apathy to vote, and it's not due to ignorance. As a declared nihilist, I don't really care anymore. My life has been through several governments and it has not been affected in any major way. Therefore, it does not make a difference in my life if I vote or not, so why bother.

If you just don't agree with any of the political platforms....and feel that they make no difference to you.......then it's in you right not to vote.........You're just conforming to the norm...........Many things are affected by the government in power......

AHHHH.....What's the point......I know you know all this stuff......

Come to think of it.........If you're about 80% of time in "meditation".......Then I'd rather you not vote!!!!

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

people don't vote because they are ignorant as to how politics work. The general thought about politicians is that they are all crooks.......And most of them are......but at least if you vote for a party that you agree with.....the chances are greater that you will be a part of the change.....change for you, me and everyone else.........Doesn't that sound better than to let someone else dictate it for you?

With all due respect Baina, it's not fair to say that those who don't vote are ignorant wen it comes to politics. Sure chances do rise when you vote, and who doesn't want to be part change? everyone wants to make a difference in this world...but can you name me some changes that have taken place in the last two years? for those who did vote, tell me promise was kept since then?

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

Guadalupana wrote:
no i didn't.
SEE...I am sure there are many people like you...who don't vote but then complain about the current goverment. You should vote and try and get your party elected! I know the NDP will never win an election but I vote for them anyway and last election everyone who thought like me voted NDP and we managed to get some power in the house. It makes a huge difference and every vote does count!

i don't vote for what i don't believe in. But how many people that do vote and still complain that they didn't get what they thought they would if they did vote?? i know what you're trying to say chile, but i don't bother. Sea mi derecho o no, to see the integrity of people's wishes, hopes and dreams, be trampelled gives me no encouragement what so ever to mark that X.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

I feel that a lot of people don't vote because they are ignorant as to how politics work. The general thought about politicians is that they are all crooks.......And most of them are......but at least if you vote for a party that you agree with.....the chances are greater that you will be a part of the change.....change for you, me and everyone else.........Doesn't that sound better than to let someone else dictate it for you?

There's also an apathy to vote, and it's not due to ignorance.

As a declared nihilist, I don't really care anymore. My life has been through several governments and it has not been affected in any major way. Therefore, it does not make a difference in my life if I vote or not, so why bother.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Luna Chiquitita wrote:

I think it is our civil duty to vote. I realize that one vote may seem to NOT make a difference but in the grand scheme of things it does. We have to vote for leaders that we have faith in and will push for the public's interest. I also realize that we are talking about politicians and that faith in a politician is like putting faith into a raisin to grow into an apple tree but its that blind faith that your vote will make a different one way or another. Our parents left our countries so that we may live in a society that is free of oppression and dictation. I think we owe it to them and to ourselves to exercise this right as Canadian citizens.

I feel that a lot of people don't vote because they are ignorant as to how politics work. The general thought about politicians is that they are all crooks.......And most of them are......but at least if you vote for a party that you agree with.....the chances are greater that you will be a part of the change.....change for you, me and everyone else.........Doesn't that sound better than to let someone else dictate it for you?

mara · Senior Member

El voto es un deber y un derecho. Es la forma de escoger el camino q nosotros queremos q nuestra nacion lleve. Es cierto, los politicos estan llenos de falsas promesas y q la corrupcion se da en todos los niveles del estado. Pero al fin y al cabo al votar se hace mas q simplemente quejarse de q tan mal estan las cosas.

Chilenita · Comandante

Guadalupana wrote:

no i didn't.

SEE...I am sure there are many people like you...who don't vote but then complain about the current goverment. You should vote and try and get your party elected! I know the NDP will never win an election but I vote for them anyway and last election everyone who thought like me voted NDP and we managed to get some power in the house. It makes a huge difference and every vote does count!

Guadalupana · Foro Master

no i didn't.

Chilenita · Comandante

Guadalupana wrote:

Luna Chiquitita wrote: I think it is our civil duty to vote. I realize that one vote may seem to NOT make a difference but in the grand scheme of things it does. We have to vote for leaders that we have faith in and will push for the public's interest. I also realize that we are talking about politicians and that faith in a politician is like putting faith into a raisin to grow into an apple tree but its that blind faith that your vote will make a different one way or another. Our parents left our countries so that we may live in a society that is free of oppression and dictation. I think we owe it to them and to ourselves to exercise this right as Canadian citizens. I wish i could see it the way you do, there wouldn't be anything more beautiful than to see the hopes and dreams of all come true, to actually have a 'leader' keep all his promises. Pero en esta ocasion estoy como cuando constipada---el ceroilo just won't come out, no matter how hard i push.

Guada did you vote in the last election?

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Luna Chiquitita wrote:

I think it is our civil duty to vote. I realize that one vote may seem to NOT make a difference but in the grand scheme of things it does. We have to vote for leaders that we have faith in and will push for the public's interest. I also realize that we are talking about politicians and that faith in a politician is like putting faith into a raisin to grow into an apple tree but its that blind faith that your vote will make a different one way or another. Our parents left our countries so that we may live in a society that is free of oppression and dictation. I think we owe it to them and to ourselves to exercise this right as Canadian citizens.

I wish i could see it the way you do, there wouldn't be anything more beautiful than to see the hopes and dreams of all come true, to actually have a 'leader' keep all his promises.

Pero en esta ocasion estoy como cuando constipada---el ceroilo just won't come out, no matter how hard i push.

Julie · Comandante

I always vote. It is one of my citizen obligation.

Each and every vote count. If you do'nt know what to do, just vote "blank" or for the Green's. Everyone of us have an opinion and we should express it trough our votes.

I was raied in a family were politic is a major them of discusion since their all come from different backgrounds.

Something, it is a little too much intense but I have learnedthat it is very importtant to vote and that this is definitively our duty to do so.

I hope that those that have not been voting "will give it a try" next time.

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

thanks *blushing*

Chilenita · Comandante

Luna Chiquitita wrote:

I think it is our civil duty to vote. I realize that one vote may seem to NOT make a difference but in the grand scheme of things it does. We have to vote for leaders that we have faith in and will push for the public's interest. I also realize that we are talking about politicians and that faith in a politician is like putting faith into a raisin to grow into an apple tree but its that blind faith that your vote will make a different one way or another. Our parents left our countries so that we may live in a society that is free of oppression and dictation. I think we owe it to them and to ourselves to exercise this right as Canadian citizens.

HEll YA!!! WOW great post!!!

You are my favorite newbielol

Daeveed · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

@DAEVEED....do you vote in the Chilean elections?

No I don't.

Pancho Cachondo · Guru

The irony is that a federal election costs at least a couple hundred million or more, which turns out to be very close to the final costs of the sponsership scandal and we will have changed very little in the political geography of the country. It will still probably give us a minority government that will be forced into yet another election in two years or less with yet another sponsership scandal sized bill that the taxpayers will foot yet again. THere are minority governments all over the world that seem to be able to govern without forcing an election every two years. Forcing an early election is a scandal every bit as bad as the sponsership mess and it will achieve nothing

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

I think it is our civil duty to vote. I realize that one vote may seem to NOT make a difference but in the grand scheme of things it does. We have to vote for leaders that we have faith in and will push for the public's interest. I also realize that we are talking about politicians and that faith in a politician is like putting faith into a raisin to grow into an apple tree but its that blind faith that your vote will make a different one way or another. Our parents left our countries so that we may live in a society that is free of oppression and dictation. I think we owe it to them and to ourselves to exercise this right as Canadian citizens.