Hello

To Ladybug - I know the boys of SN - its cool they are trying to do this, but without the proper credentials as a non for profit association that recognizes the talent of such individuals that in one way or another help to entertain the masses and represent culture in a positive way which is indicated by tangible results such as record sales or ticket sales, there is no way that this can be a completely fair recognition.  Now, record sales are not necessarily monitored by soundscan, there are also independent artists that are able to proove how many records they have sold.

For example, you have the Oscars

from the website:  ACADEMY AWARD(S)®, OSCAR(S)®, OSCAR NIGHT® and OSCAR® statuette design mark are the registered trademarks and service marks, and the OSCAR® statuette the copyrighted property, of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. (this is a credential, the academy of motion picture arts and sciences are professionals in an industry (although some are crooked) that are able to judge results in an effective way due to their training and experience in the industry)

or you have the Junos or Grammys which are based on record sales for the majority of the genres. (in other words, best sales people)

How does an award recognition actually become viable or "credible" if it is not organized by such organization in the sole purpose or recognizing such talent based on tangible results of the artist's achievements?

I at no point deny that there is talent in Toronto, there is by far a lot, and more so than other cities...and unfortunately overlooked, but how can you be nominated in a category for an award show you, yourself are creating.  No pun inteded, but this is a free foro, Eddie is still my friend, but that is just my question and I am entitled to it....its like me saying I am going to make an award show for best dj's, nominate myself, hold at my gig where everyone knows me and supports me so they can all vote for me, and make myself win.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but at no point is this an attack to anyone, I am just confuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuused and opinionated on topics related to music such as this one.

I really hope nobody takes it the wrong way.

Alonso

 PS - Felicitaciones a los nominados!  THere is a lot of talent in those lists, many who I have seen perform live and many who are friends of mine....

-- Edited by DJAlonso at 21:44, 2005-10-11

sounds real pretty

but you still didn't answer the question

confundida wrote:

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 NOT NECESARILY TRUE, THEY GET TO BRAG TO A BUNCH OF PPL DAT DONT KNOW ABUT THEM AND DONT REALLY CARE!!!!

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ha ha ha

Benito C wrote:

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@ LB
Meaning they get nothing. But being used to get the crowd to go to SB's clubs.

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NOT NECESARILY TRUE, THEY GET TO BRAG TO A BUNCH OF PPL DAT DONT KNOW ABUT THEM AND DONT REALLY CARE!!!!

Benito C wrote:

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Marcelo Trevino and Rostia Stone should've been nominated. anyways this still smells like sabor is trying to make money by making this event look like an award ceremony. what's the prize for the winners, bragging rights? so whoever makes it in the finals performs? will they get paid at least? or will they perform for free just to get bragging rights?

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Hummm good point! 

SN,
I'M WAITING

All I want to say is that I was hoping artists like Marcelo Trevino and Rosita Stone would be nominated, but they were not. It's all to the judgement of the organizers i know that but still in my personal opinion I think they are representing us well here and abroad, Marcelo just opened for Franco de Vita in Mexico and Rosita just did the same here at home for Carlos Vives. I talked to Rosita few weeks ago and she told me of the possibility of her opening for Juanes in Chile, so I never expected they will leave them out of this awards.

@ Confu:  Diego Marulanda has won a Juno Award, I got the impression you don't know much about him, he is from Colombia and an amazing musician.

I think also the organizers should check for the spelling in one of the bar/nightclubs nominated. "Babaluu"

-- Edited by maully at 14:44, 2005-10-11

confundida wrote:

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HEY WAIT A SECOND IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A INDUSTRY PARTY HOW ABOUT MEDIA?? HOST?? BROADCASTER?? MAGAZINES??? THIS SO CALLED INDUSTRY PARTY GIVES ME MORE OF A VIBE OF A MUSIC AWARD SHOW DAN AN INDUSTRY PARTY..... ANYONE AGREE????

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lol

TV Buff wrote:

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GENIE wrote:
LaDyBuG wrote: @ Phanta: what kinda cheese are we talkin' bout here? LOL          STINKY OLD MOLDY CHEESE  
Hey, what are you guys doing? We're getting off-topic here. The topic of the thread is not cheese, is God being a copión. How dare he steal Phantasma's patented comment? Cheater! Hater! Just because he has visuals and poor Phanta is too poor to afford graphics... shame on you, Pancho!

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I have never agreed with anything more wholeheartedly as I do this!

LaDyBuG wrote:

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@ Phanta: what kinda cheese are we talkin' bout here? LOL

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         STINKY OLD MOLDY CHEESE

 

Pancho Cachondo wrote:

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Hey guy's dont you find cheesy that they are using the same concept of the American Idol Logo.... Let's see

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Did I not just say that??? I find it cheesy that God is repeatin what I just said not even half a page before!

LaDyBuG wrote:

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BEST PRODUCER (an overlooked category): GRBIZ (Tumbao) SENSEI (Fito Blanko & Flako Time) RICKY FRANCO (Ricky Franco) STEVE SANCHEZ (Xtasis) The producers make the artist's flow come to life....no producer = no artist For such an award show, I personally think that I would have been a good source to contact, not only for advice and ideas, but for the use of my "credentials" and hands on experience with LOCAL TALENT......Years ago I started the slogan "Support your Local Talent" on my weekly emails, when people had no idea who was who AND were not willing to try something different.....I know that I have contributed a lot of publicity to this "movement".....but instead of critisizing this awards show, I'll just keep providing ideas here and there, in the hopes that in the future, such events will Improve and have more thought put into them....AT LEAST THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LOCAL TALENT.....AND I'M SURE EVEN THEY KNOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE ORGANIZED AND WELL RESEARCHED.

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I REMEMBER THOSE AND THATS WHEN I ACTUALLY FOUND OUT THAT TORONTO HAD LOCAL TALENTS!!! IF IT WASNT FOR THAT PPPPPPPSSSSSSSHHHHHH WOULD OF NEVER KNOWN!!!

Ladybug

What organization is organizing this "industry" award show?  What are their credentials?

BEST PRODUCER (an overlooked category):

GRBIZ (Tumbao)
SENSEI (Fito Blanko & Flako Time)
RICKY FRANCO (Ricky Franco)
STEVE SANCHEZ (Xtasis)

The producers make the artist's flow come to life....no producer = no artist

For such an award show, I personally think that I would have been a good source to contact, not only for advice and ideas, but for the use of my "credentials" and hands on experience with LOCAL TALENT......Years ago I started the slogan "Support your Local Talent" on my weekly emails, when people had no idea who was who AND were not willing to try something different.....I know that I have contributed a lot of publicity to this "movement".....but instead of critisizing this awards show, I'll just keep providing ideas here and there, in the hopes that in the future, such events will Improve and have more thought put into them....AT LEAST THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LOCAL TALENT.....AND I'M SURE EVEN THEY KNOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE ORGANIZED AND WELL RESEARCHED.

@ CHILE....(in reply to your quote)

"Ladybug, so you agree that he should not be nominated in this category cuz confu says he is NOT a solo artist?"

OK, LET'S SEE.....RICKY FRANCO IS A SOLO ARTIST BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST HE IS A MUSICIAN WHO PERFORMS LIVE ON A REGULAR BASIS, LEADING HIS OWN 12 MUSICIANS (THE PCREW ORCHESTRA)....HE HAS MADE A NAME FOR HIMSELF AS A SOLOIST....SO YES HE IS A SOLO ARTIST.....I STILL THINK HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOMINATED AS BEST GROUP ALSO WITH HIS P-CREW.....ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE SEEN THEM LIVE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THIS.....(so I guess Confu meant it that way....THAT HE IS NOT REALLY A SOLOIST WHEN PERFORMING WITH A FULL BAND ALL THE TIME)

@BUFFY

I HAVE HEARD DA GIRL SING IN NOT SAYING SHE DOESNT HAVE TALENT BUT WAT I DO HATE IS DA FACT DA WAY SHE CAME BACK INTO TORONTO AND DA WAY SHE CAUSE SUCH BIG COMOTION AND WHERE IS SHE NOW??


SO WATS DA SONG CALLED???

@BUFFY

I MAY NOT LIKE HER AND WAT?? BUT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BEING A SOLO ARTIST IS HAVING AND I QUOTE "Must have at least one original song recorded in Spanish." AND WAT IS THIS SONG?? WHERE IS DA DEMO?? YOU CAN HELP OUT IN THIS??

@BUFYY

GETTING ON STAGE AND SINGING TWO SONGS FOR A FUNDRAISER OR BEING DA OPENING ACT AT MY MOTHER SHOW DONT COUNT!!!

AND BEING ACTIVE MEANS ACTUALLY BEING IN DA COUNTRY 65% OF YOUR TIME.......ACTUALLY DOING SHOWS LIVE ONE HOUR SHOWS.......SHOULD I GIVE EXAMPLES OF THIS???

TV Buff wrote:

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@ Confu: Re: Shantall... I've seen her perform maybe 3 or 4 times this year alone, in T.O. and I'm not even the club-going type, so that goes to show that she HAS performed and continues to do so. The fact that you don't like her shouldn't diminish the credibility she has as a performer.

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My POINT exactly!!!!!!!  Her facts aren't right and she just chooses to support whoever she considers a friend which is fine she has that right but she doesn't have the right to say someone does NOT belong in the running for these awards!!!!

Chilenita wrote:

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confundida wrote:


Ricky Franco=SORRY NOT A SOLO ARTIST HE RUNS WITH P-CREW,
 
Ladybug, so you agree that he should not be nominated in this category cuz confu says he is NOT a solo artist?
@CONFU...being a constructive critic is one thing.....coming on the foro straight up saying that someone does NOT belong on the list is another thing.  It's easy to sit back and say how things should or should not be isn't it?  Well it's just as easy to ask you "what makes YOU an expert"?  If you don't support DIMPLE functions for example how would you know if Shantell performs????

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LAST TIME DA GIRL PERFORMED ANYWHERE WAS AT THE ORO SOLIDO CONCERT BACK IN 2003.... I MAY NOT LIKE HER BUT GUESS WAT WHEN YOU WANNA FIND OUT WAT ARTIST ARE DOING ALL YOU HAVE TO DUE IS ASK THE RIGHT PPL AND THEY WILL GIE YOU PROPER ASNWERS.......



AT WAT POINT DID I SAY DAT THINGS SHOULD BE DONE THIS WAY OR ANOTHER??? IN THIS INDUSTRY IS AN EXPERT IF NOT ASK THE PPL THAT ARE HOLDING THIS EVENT WHO ELIANA CUEVAS IS OR VERONICA MEZA... DONT ASK TH ASK THE S.N. BOYZ AND LET SEE WAT RESPONSE YOU GET....

AND FOR YOUR F.Y.I I WORK BEHIND DA SCENES.......

confundida wrote:

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Ricky Franco=SORRY NOT A SOLO ARTIST HE RUNS WITH P-CREW,

 

Ladybug, so you agree that he should not be nominated in this category cuz confu says he is NOT a solo artist?

@CONFU...being a constructive critic is one thing.....coming on the foro straight up saying that someone does NOT belong on the list is another thing.  It's easy to sit back and say how things should or should not be isn't it?  Well it's just as easy to ask you "what makes YOU an expert"?  If you don't support DIMPLE functions for example how would you know if Shantell performs????

OK....I actually get what Confu is trying to say.....but I just wanna mention that out of an immediate group of people I know personally, she is the first one to jump on the idea of supporting a local performance even if she doesn't know who they are.....so if she judges, it's because she has experienced it.......and if she doesn't know something, she will ask around and inform herself before making her "confu ke te anology"....LOL

I actually believe that the audience always has a right to speak up/critique about artists, music, events....because in this buiness....and IT IS A BUSINESS first and foremost.....the consumer's opinion is what matters the most.

Speaking of local talent I have to plug in that ALBERTO ALBERTO (the cuban with the amazing piercing voice from Son Ache & Cassava) will be releasing his first SOLO album VERY SOON.....highly anticipated by many people in both the Latin and Non-Latin Industry.....contact me for more info....I'll do my best to keep you posted.

Confesiones wrote:

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yo' Chile.... i like how you screamed that out!!"time you list your credentials and say what makes you an expert in the industry."ps: this is gonna be good!!

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NO NO NO

This is not meant to be another retarded cat fight!  I just mean if there are valid reasons why someone should not be on the list then fine BUT anyone who says such a thing needs to be CERTAIN that the person is not "active" in the industry. 

It's easy to be a critic!  Sooner or later people will ask "what makes you an expert"!

confundida wrote:

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Alex Bello=SONG IN SPANISH YES, ACTIVE IN DA COMMUNITY YES Flakko=PART OF DA SONG IN SPANISH, ACTIVE HHMMM HAVE ONLY SEEN HIM PERFORMANCE ONCE...DO DOES DAT COUNT?? Angelo Luna=MUST CHK WITH LB CUZ NO IDEA!!! Mc. Puppet=PART OF DA SONG IN SPANISH, ACTIVE U SEE HIM EVERWHERE Carlos Cruz= 2 CD, HELL YA Ricky Franco=SORRY NOT A SOLO ARTIST HE RUNS WITH P-CREW, SONGS IN SPANISH, ACTIVE IN DA COMMNUNITY Diego Marulanda= NEVA HEARD OF HIM I HEARD ONE SONG....NO PERFORMANCES Shantall=YOU MUST BE JOKING RITE?? WAT SONG?? ACTIVE WHERE?? Eliana Cuevas= SAW HER ONCE!!!! NADA MAS Veronica Meza= SHE JUST BECAME A SOLO ARTIST USED TO BE IN A BAND Evaristo Machado= WOW!!! ACTIVE AND TALENTED Wilson Manuel=THERE NADA U CAN SAYHE CALLS HIMSELF DA KING OF BACHATA..... Fito Blanko= HE SPEAKS FOR HIMSELF ANYTHING ELSE U WOULD LIKE ME TO ADD??

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OF COURSE THERE ARE THINGS I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADD!!!

Okay so I know some local artists that YOU have probably NEVER heard of or have never seen....does that mean they are not credible????  So if confu has not seen them live within the last six months they must not exist??????  How do you know there are not small gigs around town that you are not aware of??  If there are people on the list you have never heard of perhaps there are performances you have never heard of??? 

Confu I am not trying to argue with you at all I just think it's time you list your credentials and say what makes you an expert in the industry.