[In the matter of JM,Take this into account, Remember  he was there! tearing down the community,  using persecution instead of community-laisoning to work out the kinks of the fast growing latin-club scene a decade ago. YES seniores so much for the local support for the scene in those times! The Ecuadorian community has given the scene: Brisas, Sabor Latino , Plaza Flamingo, El Rancho, Classique, don't forget.]

Seniores,

This is complete and utter hypocrisy. This is tainted of the Micheal Jackson case, in which fame some how absolves you of any responsiblity for the acts of injustices and crimes commited in your community now or in the past. You asked "Which artist is the most promoted or least promoted" and I told you and elaborated on the commments that followed.

Artists live in the public eye, within the social context that they conduct themselves. And unfortunaetly not enough of this concept has been explored to see that -- yes they are our artists and yes they should be promoted but -- they also live among us within our small but fast growing community. And that their actions, attitude, words and influence and reflect who they are (and what we hope to be) AND will be quickly communicated.

This is an acute observational fact worthy of any marketing analysis of "who is over or underpromoted" and the reasons why and what kind of promotion/marketing IS neccessary to get them up there.

Our artist need some cleaning up. They need some public relations work, they need to reframe their past by giving back to the communities they've hurt by their percieved just or non-just actions (OR remind us of contributions given) . They need to conduct themselves professionally with the respect that they deserve and we want to deserve.

Unfortunately the Ecuadorian community is not community of avid self-promotion (like Puerto Rican/DR/Cuban), but we are a large community here in Toronto (the second largest after those in New York) and loyal one at that.  We still represnt a large portion of your listeners and communicators-- just because our flag is not waving doesn't mean we don't exist.

[In the matter of JM,Take this into account, Remember  he was there! tearing down the community,  using persecution instead of community-laisoning to work out the kinks of the fast growing latin-club scene a decade ago. YES seniores so much for the local support for the scene in those times! The Ecuadorian community has given the scene: Brisas, Sabor Latino , Plaza Flamingo, El Rancho, Classique, don't forget.]

YES, local artists are under-represented. By virtue of a lack of PROPER representation. Lets get them out there, giv'em a better image, and dialoging.

B_P.

Verdaderamente creo que muchos son buenos,....y honestamente, juan Miguel, nose mano'.... no le oigo la voz, nose si canta o aulla, y no es que este "hatin", es mi opinion.
Pero buena suerte en el futuro a el y mas aun a el resto de muchachos en la ciudad que trata de salir pa lante.

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Originally posted by: cosita_dulce
"This forum is getting all messed up. It is becoming racist and ignorant. Has anybody ever thought how we are confirming to non-latino readers that our race is ignorant? The posts on this topic are getting out of hand. Attacks are getting personal and offensive. Ok, so "Juan Miguel pissed somebody off", (unfortunately, they were from Ecuador, hey could've been from Zimbabwe, he still did somebody wrong), "Alex Bello has been with many women", etc, etc, etc. WHO CARES? We are talking about talent here. Sexual conquests do not have anything to do with this. When refering to the issue of our community not supporting our local talent all I have to is that many local artists have let it get to their heads. I have seen attitudes of superiority throughout my experience when attending local events. Keep in mind, this was back in the day when Sabor Latino and Brisas at Milvan were around. Of course, with more local artists it seems more prominent now. With that being said, potential supporters are not encouraged to support. Now starts the hate, the criticism, the ever-so popular statement "Y que se cree este/esta?", which eventually leads to comments like the ones on this forum. This needs to stop. The question was who is most/least promoted on this forum and most of the anonys "who are not gonna say their name" made it into some kind of therapy session and vented all their built up anger. If this is the case, start up your own topic of hate, negativity, anger and enjoy yourself. @ Alex Bello - Words of advice, do what you wish with them - don't let the commentaries on this forum affect you to the point that you have to tell everybody what your present and future plans are. You don't need to justify anything to anybody. Do your thing, because if you do it right, we will find out about it. Lo mejor es no decirle a nadie nada, porque existe la envidia. We all know how much damage that can do. "

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To answer the question of whom Juan Miguel pissed off I guess he used to be a cop and arrested someone from Ecuador that was a friend of the Anonimo that is critizicing him. That is why all the hating. But all I can say is that in our beautiful country CANADA for someone to get arrested they have to commit a crime or else you can't be arrested. So I guess Juan was just doing his job and music has nothing to do with this.

I just wish these bashers stop crying so much they are starting to sound like a bunch of tree hug bitches. Have a joint and relax people. MARIHUANA IS GOOD FOR THE SOUL.

Numero 1: la musica;  idioma universal y a eso ;la musica latina; los canadiences lo asimilan,lo sienten, la admiran y la apoyan.

Numero 2: la musica es arte : por consiguiente ...te puede gustar ó no...

Numero 3; Cuando alguien...venga con mala fe ,mala onda a criticar con el simple hecho de,joder, molestar.......ignoralo..que sobran mexicanos o latinos que van a valorar y reconocer  tu esfuerzo.

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Originally posted by: Anonymous
"why are you bashing the local guys and who is JM? What do you mean when he had authority I don't know what you are talking about and what does his music has to do with authority you can not mix the two explain yourself guy I would like to know. I thought he was a tennis player before musician. What do you mean he sold out a fellow Ecuadorian were these guys drug dealers or something? I mean our community is very corrupt as is we always look for the easy way out especially those ****ing Dominicans they are dirty in the Jane and Finch area."

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Creo que lo que dice ese ñaño es que el le comio a la novio y por eso ne le perdona asi son los hombres ya que sabemos que todos los artistas de aqui se cojen a muchas mujeres. JM no es la excepcion. Johan de Tumbao y Alex Bello tambien se las culean tomalo de un Panameño que los ha visto.

Todos lo hace y a quien no le dan agua que tenga sed que no se la tome idiota Ecuatoriano.

Dear local artists and present,  

Haters, critics, non-supporters, whatever... they are all YOUR

audience!

YOU put yourself out there in the public eye and NOW you wanna whine

como un ninia that YOU don't get support... who's fu*ked up here?

Anonymous, I applaud you, man your persistent, and you aint doing

this than for no other reason than to say how it IS. (And shi* you

must love T.O., cause your fighting all these nay-sayers, and

representing the SILENT MAJORITY -- YEA THOSE THAT DON'T SHOW UP to

your parties, WONDER WHY? ) Cause your right if these guys were good

AND confident as they walk with they're puffed out chests, then they

wouldn't be here flaming and laming it up here for attention and

giving excuses.

To the artists, remember you gotta a DUTY to your people that are

waiting for you to REPRESENT SO ----- lay off the weed, stop fu*king

the minors and every other bit*ch that comes your way, the greasy

chicken, smoking, the FREE alcohol --- take some voice classess,

find yourself and LISTEN to your audience and put your FAITH en el senior.

Your gonna need it.

Buscando_Princesa
What I said it...

PS. Just because this thread sounds like pay-back, time for me... JM

has got the worst reputation, period. Every tom-dick and put* has

gone through him, with no respect to the person they may have been

involved with. He SOLD OUT a fellow Ecuadorian, and acted like a

complete a** when he had authority and now he wants to know WHATS

UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****...

I, I don't forgive you....

please dont just bash the dominicans

i would have to include  ecuadorians/salvadorians/colombians/and all mi gente latina

couse all the latinos bash each other and there hasnt been support 

reason why ricky franko even started the slut thing was to bring attention to our talent and make sure we all support them and it seems thats not working

i look on other topics in the foro u see haters bashing carlos cruz/alex bello/the models/and promoters  and its really sad  couse it seems like the younger generation seems to be doing things right be showing support and by keeping reggaeton moving

LETS SUPPORT OUR TALENT!!

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Originally posted by: Anonymous
"Sorry, I don't want to sound like a hater, but I heard Alex Bello and Juan Miguel and I think they are OK. The one that sucks bad, and I mean REALLY BAD !!, is Carlos Cruz. YUCK !!"

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I have heard all of these guys and I think they are just as good as any international singers and groups I have seen out there in their respective musical gender. My second question to these haters is.

WHY DOES IT SEEM THAT THERE IS ALWAYS A PERSON OUT THERE BASHING THE LOCAL GUYS ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC? THE SAD PART IS THAT USUALLY THE DOMINICAN PEOPLE IN TORONTO ARE THE FIRST ONES TO BASH JUAN MIGUEL AND ALEX ETC.... LOS DOMINICANOS NO SON UNIDOS AQUI EN TORONTO MIENTRAS QUE EN OTRO PAICE SON MA FUELTE QUE AQUI POLQUE ELLO SON UNIDO.

YO HE ESTADO EN LA BARLBERIA DE LA PLAZA DE MILVAN Y OI A ALGUNA GENTE DOMINICANA HABLANDO MAL DE ESO CANTANTE DE BANDA BELLA Y JUAN MIGUEL QUE ELLO NO SABEN CANTAR. YO LO QUE VEO E QUE SON MUY ENVIDIOSO.

YO OI SU MUSICA PARA VER SI ERAN TAN MALOS Y A MI ME GUSTO LA MUSICA DE ELLOS LA OI AQUI EN LA RADIO.

I don't understand why you people even bother to answer to this bashers. Their pathetic existence is just proof of a lot of low self-steem. If they think that putting down our local artists they are actually discouraging them, I think the results are the opposite. So let them keep venting their hatred and negativity; I don't think that some of the artists even care about this morons. So to all our talent out there:

Don't give up !! We appreciate what you do.

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Originally posted by: Anonymous
" Hey you know what guy I can tell you that Ojitos Lindos is not saying much but I know for a fact that he is good I saw him at the Chin Picnic and at other various shows and I like what I saw. He was very good and he could sing well. I remember him singing that song Gotas De LLuvia from grupo niche and he hit all the notes. I am myself a female musician and I dont want to say my name but I have respect for this guy. He directed his own band and he writes his own songs and is a good dancer also. If that is not talent then tell me what is. Take from a local Cuban musician that knows about music. So if you are envious of Juan Miguel that is something you have to live with just leave him alone we dont want to read your comments here. I can't wait to hear his new stuff as advertised by TH Radio  "

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Well said. I love the passion for music here. I am from Gardenias (drummer) and beleive me, all the music I have heard on TH Radio is quality. Everyone is different as is their tastes in music. I personally am having a blast in this band with all the rythms and instruments I am being introduced to, both traditional and new. If your hear a band and like it, support it. If you hear a band and don't like it, listen again and you might be suprised. You must however, respect anyone that is willing to put themselves out there and show their hardwork and art.

Later,

gRINGO

Hello everyone, all I have to say is that everyone is entitle to there opinion, I don’t expect everyone to like my music or my style, but to some of you: if you are expecting an artist to become know world wide over night trust me it wont happened, this is something that takes time dedication and hard work. Look at Banda Bella, we have been trying for 7 years and just this year things started going our way, we are not talking much about this but as of this moment we are the number one band on the radios in Santo Domingo and we will be on our first ever tour in the country from July 15th to the 29th,

As for my Bachata project there is so much happening with that at the time that I barely have time for anything else, with only one single in Canada I don’t know how but I have been approach by 3 major record labels and currently I am working on my first European tour Spain from august the 2nd to the 18th, some people are just so negative about what artist do and don’t do in this city that as artist we are learning to keep things to our self and have some of you guys find out what’s going on from other sources outside of the country.  For those that support what we do, Thank you once again thanks to you guys we have something to hold on as local artist after all como dice el Viejo y conocido refrán, “nadie es profeta en su propia tierra”, and we can see why.

Thank you.

AB……

Alex Bello

TODOS LOS ARTISTAS LOCALES ARE UNDER PROMOTED.....SIMPLE!!!!

BUT THKS TO THE HATERS AND THE LOVERS ARE LEAST THERE NAMES ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE PERIOD!!!!

NOW LET ASK THIS...........

WHAT IS UR DEFINITION OF A LOCAL ARTIST????

MINE IS "AN ARTIST THAT PRODUCES/RECORDS AND MAKES IT BIG WITHIN HIS CITY BEFORE DECIDING TO GO ABROAD......."

ok loko did i hear u suck jajaja

first no one bashes mi latinos

second do you have an idea what work is put in to make it big

its not just about talent u gotta have promoters/and other people working with you

so why dont u sign up !!! and then we could talk 

LATINOZ STAND UP !!!  & LETS SHOW THE HATERS HOW FAR WE CAN GO (then watch they will follow the way)

Dirty Maria ?? Y esos quienes son ??

I'd have to say the least promoted local talent in this foro is ...DIRTY MARIA

WHICH REMINDS ME

DIRTY MARIA

@

FEZ BATIK

(Peter & Richmond)

MAY 29, 9:00 PM

SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL TALENT

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Originally posted by: Anonymous
" The only guys I feel suck are Alex Bello, Juan Miguel and Fito Blanklo is way too overrated I never liked the stuff they do. Alex screams too much when he sings and that eh eh that he uses is so annoying. Juan Miguel is a fat ass Merengue singer who can't sing to save his life. Fito Blanko is a rapper that is not singing at all, he is not all that talented. Local guys are not that good because they haven't made it big if they were big they would be known out there."

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Ya veo que todo ese odio y envidia no deja de existir me da mucha lastima esa persona que se esconde detras de anonimos solo para hablar mal de los demas y odiar. Solo le deseo que Dios le brinde paz y lo perdone porque yo ya te perdone.

Juan Miguel

to that person that hasnt signed up the foro i agree with you on some points but others your wrong lol

1st-our talent is young and growing  and keep your ears open

alex bello is blowing up and of couse banda bella too

fito is already big all over miami and were reggaeton is big

and dont forget ricky franko/carlos cruz  now thats talent

but think about it you might be big but you might not have the talents and with real talent u can see

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Originally posted by: Anonymous
" The only guys I feel suck are Alex Bello, Juan Miguel and Fito Blanklo is way too overrated I never liked the stuff they do. Alex screams too much when he sings and that eh eh that he uses is so annoying. Juan Miguel is a fat ass Merengue singer who can't sing to save his life. Fito Blanko is a rapper that is not singing at all, he is not all that talented. Local guys are not that good because they haven't made it big if they were big they would be known out there."

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I agree with the comments of TV Buff. We all have different tastes in music according to our culture, environment or people that we spend time with. That our taste in music differs with that of others, only makes us ourselves;  free to choose any musical style we see fit to fulfill our particular mindset.

We ought to feel proud that we have all this talent within our own community; and first and foremost we should respect their efforts to try at least to offer something for us to listen and enjoy, (Or criticize) so I think our "intelectual" friend should lighten up a bit and understand that each person likes something different. To our local artists I can only say :  Thank you for your effort, and the joy that you give us with your music and talent.

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Originally posted by: Anonymous
"We all know that the most promoted artists are your run of the mill Bachateros, Reggaetoneros Merengueros and such. That is music for the "Happy go lucky,  shake your booty", ordinary crowd. No finesse here. Just placebos for the masses. Proudly latin artists with something new to offer like Rosita Stone, Gardenias, Audio Ritual and Plan C, are not even taken into account because they dare to be different. Goes without saying that the least promoted artists are the ones that offer an alternative to the "chuku-chuku" musical styles that everibody listens to. "Por eso estamos como estamos""

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Wow, you write so well, yet there's such bitterness in your tone. It's really good to see that you possess such class and "finesse", and that you want to impose your taste in music upon others. If you don't like the chuku chuku musical style, that's your prerogative, but don't come in here putting on airs just because you like music that "dares to be different." It only shows arrogance and you will not convince anyone that way. Enjoy the music you like and let others discover their own tastes in music on their own.

People listen to music because they like the sound, it makes them happy and it makes them want to dance. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you have a higher notion of what music is for you, then good for you. You've developed that notion on your own. Also, the music for the "ordinary crowds" is music that was alternative and different a few years ago, and it's the music that our culture has slowly begun to be recognized for. And it's not stuck, music keeps changing. That's the beauty of it. That these types of music are more popular, well, it only goes to show that it's good because more people like it. Maybe in a few years Rosita Stone will be the norm and not the exception. And I do like Rosita Stone and I DO LOOOOVE Plan C; it's just that, as anything new, it takes time for people to develop a taste for something experimental. But if they're good, their talent will shine through and in a few years they'll be what people will listen to (placebos for the masses... who knows). But in the meantime, let's enjoy good music just for the sake of enjoying it and stop bashing on those who make it.