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Originally posted by: God
" Right and I so far I'm atheist..... and I'm not celebrating... I think achivements like his deserve respect.....as you see I never talked about his religious views ......to deny achiviements of that caliber is like you said....playing dumb..... isn't ? "

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Achiviements......we are talking VERY specifically about the whole fight against evil and you are trying to make it seem like you agree with that statement.  Then you talk about the movie in a TOTALLY different way then you did on previous posts making it seem like all of a sudden you are this right wing religious dude that does not agree with what CHE did and the meaning behind the movie.

You know what I mean but let's drop it......

 

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Originally posted by: God
" at least today ..ah....lol Agree with Joanna Yes... I do..... she was talking about the Pope Achiviements...right? nothing about el che .... right ? You're the one brought the Che out.... Again I think Joanna Post was good...and Again she didn't mention El che right....."

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Playing stupid is something you are not good at...take that as a compliment.

You told me you were athiest?????  What's with you celebrating his "achivements" and fight agains the "EVIL socailists and communists"........

I think you get my point GOD it has nothing to do with Joanna's post she is entitled to her own opinion. 

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Originally posted by: GENIE
"         OH i can see that!!!

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Actually there is a movie in progress and the 2 men they are considering for the role are Benicio and Javier Bardem (buffy likes him for the role), not sure when it is due to come out though

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Originally posted by: Chilenita
"GENIE how about a part two and now he is older and he is played by Benicio....can you picture that???"

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You are so adorable, you talk about Ghetto and AGE and you then post something like this. Im sorry if I've wasted your time...LOL

 

Jose

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Originally posted by: TV Buff
"Okay, I shouldn't bother with you, but I'll give you two minutes of my precious time... you do realize that people's lives are a journey, and stuff happens from point A to point B (are you still with me? Good.) There are moments in our lives, especially young impressionable lives, where we have Wow moments that stay with us forever. For some of us it happens later, and for some it just hits you like an electric bolt, and for some it never does. I think this journey in Che's life was what shaped him in becoming the man he eventually became. Had he not gone on the trip, finished medical school, married Chinchilla, do you think he would've become the legend he became? Actually, God, forget I asked, and let's move on."

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Answer your question you're going to need some Speculation.

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Originally posted by: Chilenita
"This is the type of sh!t that drives me nuts.  The f*cking retards that visit (or in this case are registered) this foro and can't just make a valid point without getting all retarded and ghetto. Is there any need for this?  So now if my opinion is not the same as yours you need to resort to acting like a kid? I hope this has to do with your AGE if not you got problems"

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Nuts or frustrated? Make up your mind!

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Originally posted by: God
" Sweetie It's an Amazing movie but what the movie shows is Far away from what el Che did.....right ?"

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Okay, I shouldn't bother with you, but I'll give you two minutes of my precious time... you do realize that people's lives are a journey, and stuff happens from point A to point B (are you still with me? Good.) There are moments in our lives, especially young impressionable lives, where we have Wow moments that stay with us forever. For some of us it happens later, and for some it just hits you like an electric bolt, and for some it never does. I think this journey in Che's life was what shaped him in becoming the man he eventually became. Had he not gone on the trip, finished medical school, married Chinchilla, do you think he would've become the legend he became? Actually, God, forget I asked, and let's move on.

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Originally posted by: God
" Sweetie It's an Amazing movie but what the movie shows is Far away from what el Che did.....right ?"

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       it shows were EL Che changed his view on life what he thought and how he could better our "PEOPLE" la misiera that most still live in!! It showed how and why he became the man that he was!!

      Your right its far from what he did accomplish but thats why its a movie u know to be conitnued lol!!

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Originally posted by: God
" come on.. ok the movie is all about 23 year old Guevara's gap year in south america. not about what the guy became some 5-10 years later. just enjoy it for what it is : the story of 2 guys travelling in argentina chile and peru on a motorbike. and no! seeing the damn thing doesn't make you an accomplice for the events of 59 in Cuba. and if you really feel like avoiding the BS just leave 5 minutes before the end. it's just a film for god's sake, nevermind the revisionists."

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@NOT SO "anonymous" anonymous....I am NOT going to bother with you

@GOD...Interesting to see how your opinion changes from one day to the next....lets leave it at that

@BUFFY.....glad you loved the movie which has EVERYTHING to do with what Che became!  It's not just a film!!!!!!

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Originally posted by: TV Buff
"Just completely off topic, Chile, I finally watched the Motorcycle Diaries... what a movie, man! It really got to me... As for Che being evil, I can tell you some people would, as much as some people consider the pope himself evil... I've even been told that he was the anti-christ himself. My uncle, when I was younger, even had this things with numbers that showed that the pope was the devil or something. My uncle was and is a seventh day adventist. People see evil where they want to see evil. Palestines will tell you jews are evil and viceversa. It's the neverending fight."

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come on..
ok the movie is all about 23 year old Guevara's gap year in south america. not about what the guy became some 5-10 years later.

just enjoy it for what it is : the story of 2 guys travelling in argentina chile and peru on a motorbike. and no! seeing the damn thing doesn't make you an accomplice for the events of 59 in Cuba. and if you really feel like avoiding the BS just leave 5 minutes before the end.

it's just a film for god's sake, nevermind the revisionists.

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Originally posted by: Chilenita
"Interesting would you consider Che Guevara EVIL???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????"

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Just completely off topic, Chile, I finally watched the Motorcycle Diaries... what a movie, man! It really got to me... As for Che being evil, I can tell you some people would, as much as some people consider the pope himself evil... I've even been told that he was the anti-christ himself. My uncle, when I was younger, even had this things with numbers that showed that the pope was the devil or something. My uncle was and is a seventh day adventist. People see evil where they want to see evil. Palestines will tell you jews are evil and viceversa. It's the neverending fight.

GUYS LOOK ALL WE CAN SAY NOW IS THAT THE MAN DID AS MUCH AS HE WAS ALLOWED TO DO LETS NOT FORGET THAT AFTER ALL ITS ALL POLITICS AND JUST THE LIKE PRESIDENT OF THE USA THERES PPL TELLING HIM HOW MUCH AND WHAT HE CAN SAY AND DO!! SO HE WAS A GREAT MAN WITH GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS!!

AND NOW LETS LET HIM JUST REST IN PEACE AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO FOLLOW THE CATHOLIC RELIGION LETS HOME THE MAN TO FILL HIS SHOES CAN DO A GOOD JOB AS WELL!!!

MY POINTS I WILL KEEP TO MYSELF!!

-- Edited by GENIE at 15:07, 2005-04-04

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Originally posted by: TV Buff
" Joanna, he may have been friends with women and admired them profoundly, but he WOULD not even hear or consider the idea of women becoming priests. He was very firm on his stance on this issue, and like I said, would not even allow discussion on the topic. So pursuing the same careers as men was not something he belived in for women. He was firmly against abortion and birth control, and his thinking was that birth control denigrated and objectified women (I don't agree with this). He was very conservative and firm in his convictions, and although I do not agree with any of his ideas (in fact, that school of thought is my main problem with the church) I do accept he was a very strong leader, who led with an iron fist."

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GREAT points Buffy it's always interesting when people claim to love this Pope sooooooo much........does anyone actually listen to his views on these topics???DO they agree??? DO THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES BY HIS RULES???

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Originally posted by: JoannaMartinez
"John Paul II, who had lost his mother at the age of 8, was always a friend of women, and he not only believed passionately in women’s right to pursue the same careers and educational opportunities as men if they so desired, but he surrounded himself with brilliant women scholars and intellectuals as advisers.

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Joanna, he may have been friends with women and admired them profoundly, but he WOULD not even hear or consider the idea of women becoming priests. He was very firm on his stance on this issue, and like I said, would not even allow discussion on the topic. So pursuing the same careers as men was not something he belived in for women.

He was firmly against abortion and birth control, and his thinking was that birth control denigrated and objectified women (I don't agree with this). He was very conservative and firm in his convictions, and although I do not agree with any of his ideas (in fact, that school of thought is my main problem with the church) I do accept he was a very strong leader, who led with an iron fist.

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Originally posted by: God
" I can smell the comunism on the air........."

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@GOD.....no comment

@Joanna glad you had a leader that you loved so much and you must be in serious mourning....I respect all views.

When it comes to politics it's really simple if you or God or anonymous are right wing then that is up to you.  I will keep my views on politics to myself since this post really is not about politics. 

I would like to say something though PROTECTING US FROM EVIL?  Interesting would you consider Che Guevara EVIL???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I think Karol Wojtyla, Pope John Paul II (1920-2005), spent nearly his entire life battling the two most frightening evils of the 20th century, National Socialism and Soviet Communism.John Paul II, who had lost his mother at the age of 8, was always a friend of women, and he not only believed passionately in women’s right to pursue the same careers and educational opportunities as men if they so desired, but he surrounded himself with brilliant women scholars and intellectuals as advisers.I think he is a great man, a great political figure....he was the first non Italian pope in 450 years..and I think that is a great achivement.

there is some numbers of his achivementes.

# Number of overseas trips: 104

# Number of trips inside Italy: 146

# Number of cities visited: 876

# Number of foreign countries visited: 129

# Number of speeches given on the road: 3,288

# Time on the road: 822 days

# Percentage of the papacy spent traveling: 18.65 percent

# Miles traveled: 773,520

# Miles traveled expressed in number of times around the world: 31.19

# Number of people beatified: 1,345

# Number of saints made: 483

# Number of heads of state and prime ministers met in audiences: 803

# Number of general audiences: 1,160

# Number of pilgrims met in audiences: 17,642,800

# Number of cardinals named: 232

        # Number of encyclicals: 14

        Joanna Martinez

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Originally posted by: Chilenita
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HISTORY has proved what??? COME AGAIN......USSR was a POWERHOUSE that even the United States could do nothing about and NOW.....well we all know how that turned out........
Anyhow "anonymous" as much as I love political debates I am not going to get into one with you.  Either way according to catholics priests, nuns and popes should not even be involved in politics but I am sure you know that as it seems you are into this religion.
El pueblo unido........
HASTA la victoria SIEMPRE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets stick to the topic......."

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I can smell the comunism on the air.........

Communism is the worst that can happen to a country, it is not a point of view; history (unfortunately for the people that paid dearly to lean this) proved it. The Pope was a spiritual leader and opposed to it fiercely. The Pope, and he was so right about this as he Knew exactly what he was talking about, was also against the widespread of communism in the world, including Latin America. He was amazing!

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Originally posted by: Anonymous
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What do you mean he did not do anything for you? I fought against Communism on behalf of all us! "

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I know but for some people that wasn't enough....Maybe thay're communist...lol

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Originally posted by: PRINCESSA
" I will have to second you on this one. The Pope is a Pope, it's in his job & belief to do GOOD DEEDS. So with respect, in my eyes he did nothing special or any more out of the ordinary, then what a Pope should be doing. Maybe to many his made a diffrence, but to me......he was just there."

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What do you mean he did not do anything for you? I fought against Communism on behalf of all us!

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Originally posted by: God
" Stop flirting to me.....I'm a decent guy...."

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DECENT??
 
NIS LOS DEDOS DE LOS PIES LOS TENES DECENTE!!!!!!

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Originally posted by: God
" I understand its quiet hard for you to accept the reality...it's ok I understand you ....."

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WAIT??? DID U JUST SAY WHAT I THINK U JUST SAID????
 
 
@EVERYONE
 
 
GOD UNDERSTAND ME!!!!!!! YAYA!!!!

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Originally posted by: God
" so that confirms I'm addictive...LMAO...waaa waaaa waaaaa"

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REPELLING MAYBE BUT NOT ADDICTIVE !!!! (JOKING)
 
 
 

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Originally posted by: God
" I just ate and I don't want to pound ya nice and hard"

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IN UR OWN WORDS!!!
 
 
WAAAA WAAA WAAAAA WAAAAAA  (LOL)