Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

El Duro · Foro Master

RE: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

Vanilla · Senior Member

OUCH!!! (waiting DonPlayero's reply on all this)

Chilenita · Comandante

God wrote:

don_plyero wrote:

1st i never said that priests molesting kids was ok ...... its 100% wrong and doesnt represent the catholic church

but thats not the topic were talking about

THIS HAS TO DO WITH A DISRESPECT TO THE VIRGIN MARY

who we as Christians/Catholics love

mmm are you aware that Catholic dioceses have paid out over 1 BILLION in damages....1 BILLION....1 billion represent ALOT victims.
In most of Latin America those fancy churches are buil with charity from the poor people...In fact the vatican which is the only religiuos city-state financially supported by contribuitions.....and what the needed people get....nothing just a sunday sermon....
Nothing wrong with religion some people like comfort feeling from religion, what is wrong is all the BS generated by all the representants.

Don't get me wrong....I respect religion as is..But I'm not fond of fanatism.

For instance You as good Catholic/christian use seminaked woman in your flyers to attract people to you events and drink alcoholic beverages and that can lead to activities that are not very good seen under the catholic eyes....

isn't that a double standard ?

Why don't use a more religiouos approach in your events ??

Good points!

I have NEVER met an actual catholic that follows what the bible says - EVER.

God · Foro Master

don_plyero wrote:

1st i never said that priests molesting kids was ok ...... its 100% wrong and doesnt represent the catholic church

but thats not the topic were talking about

THIS HAS TO DO WITH A DISRESPECT TO THE VIRGIN MARY

who we as Christians/Catholics love

mmm are you aware that Catholic dioceses have paid out over 1 BILLION in damages....1 BILLION....1 billion represent ALOT victims.

In most of Latin America those fancy churches are buil with charity from the poor people...In fact the vatican which is the only religiuos city-state financially supported by contribuitions.....and what the needed people get....nothing just a sunday sermon....

Nothing wrong with religion some people like comfort feeling from religion, what is wrong is all the BS generated by all the representants.

Don't get me wrong....I respect religion as is..But I'm not fond of fanatism.

For instance You as good Catholic/christian use seminaked woman in your flyers to attract people to you events and drink alcoholic beverages and that can lead to activities that are not very good seen under the catholic eyes....

isn't that a double standard ?

Why don't use a more religiouos approach in your events ??

don_plyero · Guru

1st i never said that priests molesting kids was ok ...... its 100% wrong and doesnt represent the catholic church

but thats not the topic were talking about

THIS HAS TO DO WITH A DISRESPECT TO THE VIRGIN MARY

who we as Christians/Catholics love

Chuck · Guru

Chuck wrote:

i don't think she is a virgin though

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:
don_plyero wrote:

i found out 2 days ago and trust me .... i was in shock and totaly pissed that they disrespected our mother that way

the playboy model is beautiful but why post it on the month that we all catholics celebrate the birth of jesus threw the virgin mary and this is also the month of la virgin de guadalupe

and 1st time im against 99% of the foro on this 1 ..... yes priests molested little kids behind the scenes ..... why? they are humans like you or me ....we all SIN and do stuff thats against GOD .... no priest is perfect or HOLY ... thats why we have a leader in the pope to guide us

were the only church thats lasted over 2000 years and we aint going no were

Huh? Are you for real???
Are you saying, that if a priest molests a kid, it's ok, because "he's human... sins... and is not holy" (pobrecito) but some dude at Playboy -which I'm going to assume is also human- posts a pic that you may find offensive, and you're "in shock and totally pissed that they disrespect our mother like that"?!! How dare he!!... WTF??
I can't even believe you would downplay and excuse some people's sick perversions and even COMPARE someone posting a pic that may offend you, to someone screwing an 8 year old boy!! Don't defend people like that, dude, o te vas a ir al infierno for real.
Your fanaticism and bias are scary

BTW, I'm no religion expert, but aren't religions such as Judaism, buddhism, etc, much older than any Christian religion?

-- Edited by Dogo at 14:42, 2008-12-18

I agree. There is NO EXCUSE whatsoever for the priests that have been involved in that type of behaviour. Yes, they are human and have needs but no need to go to those extremes

I consider myself more "spiritual" than religious. I respect all religions and at times if i think a certain belief will help me be a better person, i adopt it, why not.

And Hinduism is considered the oldest "documented" religion since sanskrit is the oldest written language.

Then comes Buddhisim, Judaism, christianity and islam.

God · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

don_plyero wrote:

i found out 2 days ago and trust me .... i was in shock and totaly pissed that they disrespected our mother that way

the playboy model is beautiful but why post it on the month that we all catholics celebrate the birth of jesus threw the virgin mary and this is also the month of la virgin de guadalupe

and 1st time im against 99% of the foro on this 1 ..... yes priests molested little kids behind the scenes ..... why? they are humans like you or me ....we all SIN and do stuff thats against GOD .... no priest is perfect or HOLY ... thats why we have a leader in the pope to guide us

were the only church thats lasted over 2000 years and we aint going no were

Huh? Are you for real???
Are you saying, that if a priest molests a kid, it's ok, because "he's human... sins... and is not holy" (pobrecito) but some dude at Playboy -which I'm going to assume is also human- posts a pic that you may find offensive, and you're "in shock and totally pissed that they disrespect our mother like that"?!! How dare he!!... WTF??
I can't even believe you would downplay and excuse some people's sick perversions and even COMPARE someone posting a pic that may offend you, to someone screwing an 8 year old boy!! Don't defend people like that, dude, o te vas a ir al infierno for real.
Your fanaticism and bias are scary

BTW, I'm no religion expert, but aren't religions such as Judaism, buddhism, etc, much older than any Christian religion?

-- Edited by Dogo at 14:42, 2008-12-18

You nailed it man!

Dogo · Comandante

don_plyero wrote:

i found out 2 days ago and trust me .... i was in shock and totaly pissed that they disrespected our mother that way

the playboy model is beautiful but why post it on the month that we all catholics celebrate the birth of jesus threw the virgin mary and this is also the month of la virgin de guadalupe

and 1st time im against 99% of the foro on this 1 ..... yes priests molested little kids behind the scenes ..... why? they are humans like you or me ....we all SIN and do stuff thats against GOD .... no priest is perfect or HOLY ... thats why we have a leader in the pope to guide us

were the only church thats lasted over 2000 years and we aint going no were

Huh? Are you for real???
Are you saying, that if a priest molests a kid, it's ok, because "he's human... sins... and is not holy" (pobrecito) but some dude at Playboy -which I'm going to assume is also human- posts a pic that you may find offensive, and you're "in shock and totally pissed that they disrespect our mother like that"?!! How dare he!!... WTF??
I can't even believe you would downplay and excuse some people's sick perversions and even COMPARE someone posting a pic that may offend you, to someone screwing an 8 year old boy!! Don't defend people like that, dude, o te vas a ir al infierno for real.
Your fanaticism and bias are scary

BTW, I'm no religion expert, but aren't religions such as Judaism, buddhism, etc, much older than any Christian religion?

-- Edited by Dogo at 14:42, 2008-12-18

don_plyero · Guru

ohh no dont get me wrong ... the girl on the cover is beautiful BUT they knew that they would get good publicity over a church that has lasted over the years

plus since its the month that we as Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus and Mary is also the mother of our church .... also the huge mexican celebrations of la virgen de guadalupe ..... they took advantage of that

BUT ALL I SAY IS THAT PLAYBOY IS DESPRIT 4 PUBLICITY

Vanilla · Senior Member

don_plyero wrote:

i found out 2 days ago and trust me .... i was in shock and totaly pissed that they disrespected our mother that way

the playboy model is beautiful but why post it on the month that we all catholics celebrate the birth of jesus threw the virgin mary and this is also the month of la virgin de guadalupe

and 1st time im against 99% of the foro on this 1 ..... yes priests molested little kids behind the scenes ..... why? they are humans like you or me ....we all SIN and do stuff thats against GOD .... no priest is perfect or HOLY ... thats why we have a leader in the pope to guide us

were the only church thats lasted over 2000 years and we aint going no were

TE AMO MAMA MARIA

I understand what you mean, I am a bit offended but you gotta admit is very good publicity

don_plyero · Guru

i found out 2 days ago and trust me .... i was in shock and totaly pissed that they disrespected our mother that way

the playboy model is beautiful but why post it on the month that we all catholics celebrate the birth of jesus threw the virgin mary and this is also the month of la virgin de guadalupe

and 1st time im against 99% of the foro on this 1 ..... yes priests molested little kids behind the scenes ..... why? they are humans like you or me ....we all SIN and do stuff thats against GOD .... no priest is perfect or HOLY ... thats why we have a leader in the pope to guide us

were the only church thats lasted over 2000 years and we aint going no were

TE AMO MAMA MARIA

Vanilla · Senior Member

well talking about priests that molest little boys who's going to watch the movie "doubt"???

Mermaid · Guru

There are other ways to show creativity. I am not religious person, but I do respect all of them. I disagree with the way the catholic church manage its issues, but they have all the rights to be against this playboy issue. @the Soho magazine in my opinion that s even worst.

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

God wrote:

Dogo wrote:

I wish they were this outspoken when some of thier own (priests) try to screw pre-teen boys.
The hypocrisy of the church is shameless

-- Edited by Dogo at 09:25, 2008-12-17

That's one of the major reasons why I HATE religion...any religion is pure boloni

I think that eventhough ppl may disagree with it, ppl need to respect it.

Had this picture been done in the depiction of Vishnu, im sure hindis would have gotten pissed.

Or in the image of the Ayatolah or Buddha, same thing.

God · Foro Master

Dogo wrote:

I wish they were this outspoken when some of thier own (priests) try to screw pre-teen boys.
The hypocrisy of the church is shameless

-- Edited by Dogo at 09:25, 2008-12-17

That's one of the major reasons why I HATE religion...any religion is pure boloni

Mastropiero · Guru

Vanilla wrote:

this artist is well known for his shocking art http://www.jam-montoya.es/

check his Sanctum collection images

-- Edited by Vanilla at 07:38, 2008-12-17

I think is so nicely done that you forget about how polemic the topic is... I liked that "Y vosotros que decis que soy yo?", San Sebastian and the Sor Juana Ines the la Cruz one.

Dogo · Comandante

I wish they were this outspoken when some of thier own (priests) try to screw pre-teen boys.
The hypocrisy of the church is shameless

-- Edited by Dogo at 09:25, 2008-12-17

Vanilla · Senior Member

this artist is well known for his shocking art http://www.jam-montoya.es/

check his Sanctum collection images

-- Edited by Vanilla at 07:38, 2008-12-17

Chuck · Guru

she resembles Miranda kerr.

God · Foro Master

Chuck wrote:

I dont like the photo.....he hair bangs are covering most of her forehead and if it was me taking the shot.... I will leave her forehead hairless to give her a "cleaner" look and a bit more cleavege to contrast it. hmm

Mastropiero · Guru

Good thing he didn't see the cover and pictures of Soho de la semana Santa where Alejandra Azcarate possed like Jesus in the last Supper....

-- Edited by Mastropiero at 14:20, 2008-12-16

-- Edited by Mastropiero at 14:20, 2008-12-16

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

No need for a big protest, but i do not think it's an appropriate picture.

Chuck · Guru

El Duro wrote:

alot off people have alot of time in their lifes to worry about this, there is way more important things in the world for them to protest about

Im with you on this one.

El Duro · Foro Master

alot off people have alot of time in their lifes to worry about this, there is way more important things in the world for them to protest about

LGigolo · Comandante

Playboy = smart... Free media hype buzz = more sales.

Chuck · Guru

Playboy magazine issued an apology Monday for the cover of its Mexican edition, which features an Argentine model in what many observers say is meant to be a depiction of the Virgin Mary.

Playboy issued an apology after outrage erupted over this cover of the magazine's Mexican edition.

Playboy Mexico has said the cover was not meant to portray the Virgin Mary, despite being printed just days before the Feast of the Immaculate Conception and the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe -- both Catholic holidays centering on the Virgin Mary.

CNN's Rick Sanchez sat down with CNN Español's Glenda Umana and Father Albert Cutie, a Radio La Paz host, to discuss the reaction among Mexicans and Catholics. The transcript has been edited for clarity.

Rick Sanchez: What is going on in Mexico and how big a deal is this?

Glenda Umana: ... there has not been a lot of publicity. It's very interesting, but certainly it has been very, very offensive, not only for the Catholics in Mexico, but all Catholics worldwide. As we can see, this Mexican version of Playboy magazine shows the cover of a model as you were explaining -- María Florencia Onori from Argentina -- posing like the Virgin Mary. This was published last week on the exact date, Rick, when millions of Mexicans celebrate the festival of the Virgin of Guadalupe. Very important, not only for Mexicans but for all Latino-Americans.

Sanchez: So the timing is interesting here. Let me read to the viewers, because we contacted the magazine...

Umana: You have a reaction from them, right?

Sanchez: We do. It's right here. This is from the publisher of the magazine, Raul Sayrols. He says, "The image is not and never was intended to portray the Virgin of Guadalupe," -- which is the Virgin Mary -- "The intent was to portray a renaissance-like mood on the cover." Interesting. Let me bring in somebody for whom this hits home. He's one of the best known priests in the United States. His name is Father Cutie. I worked with him in Miami many times, has his own show -- actually he's got his own book out now. It's called "Real Life, Real Love." Bestseller, by the way. Father, are we as Catholics just too sensitive when it comes to this kind -- after all, it's a beautiful woman being shown to represent what is, in our minds, to all of us, a beautiful woman.

Father Albert Cutie: Listen, there's no doubt that she's a beautiful woman. But a stained-glass window and the veil that looks like that, certainly there's a reference to Mary. Whoever tells you there isn't is simply being hypocritical or not very honest. And that's what I don't like about the statement from Playboy magazine. I think that they timed it not only with the Virgin of Guadalupe, as Glenda was saying, but also with the month of December. How many nativity scenes are out there this time of the year? How many times is Mary a central figure in this whole celebration? And this is offensive. This is very offensive. It's blasphemous.

Sanchez: As a matter of fact, Father --

Cutie: It's wrong.

Sanchez: Father, we got one statement from him. But let me read you the entire statement he had put out earlier in the day, "The image is not and never was intended to portray the Virgin of Guadalupe or any other religious figure." He goes on to say -- "or any other religious figure." Now, on its face, as you look at this picture, that looks like a bald-faced lie, doesn't it?

Cutie: No, and not only that, this is someone who obviously has no scruples. And I'm not talking about the model -- whoever assigned this whole thing. First of all, we don't adore Mary; we adore God, only God. And to say "Te Adoramos María," the Spanish -- "We adore you, Mary" -- basically, it's making a direct religious reference to something which is sacred. Because you don't adore anything if it's not sacred. So to us, really it's a double offense...

Sanchez: And by the way, the emphasis, "Te Adoramos," as you know, being Cuban yourself, that word in Spanish has even more of a heightened religious meaning than it does in English.

Cutie: That's right. It means that you love someone --

Sanchez: Hail -- you hail them.

Cutie: That's right. That's right. Now, in the cover of a magazine of a porn business that is already a huge success, why would you need to use religious symbols to sell more magazines? This sounds desperate to me. And not only desperate, it's totally offensive to a billion Catholics in the world and to non-Catholics who honor Mary as the mother of Jesus