S.L.U.T. is a J.O.K.E.

GENIE · Foro Master

RE: RE: RE: RE: S.L.U.T. is a J.O.K.E.

Bainaman · Foro Master

quote:
Originally posted by: Anonymous
" Mira cabron, U gotta develop some harder skin than the one ur showing. Stop taking sh!t SO personal. BTW, my use of the word foo (as opposed to FOOL) was not meant to offend u, maybe it looked that way but c'mon susie, I was recommending a movie to u!! CHILL"

Will you guys give it up already!!!

Why don't you get together and settle this once and for all.....

OVER A NICE BOTTLE OF TEQUILA!!!!!!!!!!

Date: Mar 18 8:48 AM, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: latinsoulchild
"I'll look into that for sure...thanks for going out of your way. My ass will hopefully get enlightened...keep acting black homie a true latino u are! thanks again...and stay anonymous ...lol oh...btw...history has no "z" peace and thank you Ricky Franco <--- LOOK guys I posted my full name!!!! WOW!!!!"

Mira cabron,

U gotta develop some harder skin than the one ur showing. Stop taking sh!t SO personal. BTW, my use of the word foo (as opposed to FOOL) was not meant to offend u, maybe it looked that way but c'mon susie, I was recommending a movie to u!! CHILL

latinsoulchild · TOP Guru

I'll look into that for sure...thanks for going out of your way. My ass will hopefully get enlightened...keep acting black homie a true latino u are! thanks again...and stay anonymous ...lol

oh...btw...history has no "z"

peace and thank you

Ricky Franco <--- LOOK guys I posted my full name!!!! WOW!!!!

Date: Mar 18 12:30 AM, 2005

quote:
I'm interested in knowing how latino's co-wrote the urban thing. That's taking alot of credit.

@ LatinSoulChild

Watz poppin' Cantinflas, I know it's been a while since we had this discussion, but check this movie out: www.passthemic.net . It will enlighten some hiztory for ur ass....foo

Peace.

Date: Mar 8 9:57 AM, 2005

RICKY,

Use this time to write music not these long ass posts! I am sure there are better ways to spend your time.

S.L.U.T although a good thought is a silly name and I am sure you have heard that. Ladies when you are wearing these silly shirts remember that you can't always see the back and it looks dumb.

Date: Mar 8 9:45 AM, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: confundida
" your ur personall 411 confundida doesnt perform high and might?? sorry mi amor...i just state facts and opinions and u think that way so be it im not going to chance ur mind..... I AM one of the most humblest ppl that you can ever meet... hopefully one day ill reveal my identity to you until then i will support the S.L.U.T campaign 100% "

"reveal my identity" what are you famous?

confundida · Foro Master

quote:
Originally posted by: Anonymous
"@ANONYOMOUS - dont hate the player hate the game!!! he perfected it dont get mad @ a brother for doing good to the raza latina!!! @Ricky - Bro i support 110% were do i get my shirt!! and whens the next ricky show so i can support!! @ THE TRUE S.L.U.T.S you guys keep doing ur thing and showing support like you do cuz with out u there would be no true SUPPORTERS!! @confundida-- girl no body is attacking u personally!! and u talk about if we knew who u were?? who are u then?? ur so big and stuff!! were can we see u perform?? im not attacking u but u come on all high and might!!! "

your ur personall 411 confundida doesnt perform

high and might?? sorry mi amor...i just state facts and opinions and u think that way so be it im not going to chance ur mind..... I AM one of the most humblest ppl that you can ever meet... hopefully one day ill reveal my identity to you until then i will support the S.L.U.T campaign 100%

don_plyero · Guru

oye ricky good 4 you loko keep doing that campain even if the hater like it or not lol

and support your local talent they need every support that u give 2 guys from the states like aventura

Date: Mar 7 4:05 PM, 2005

@ANONYOMOUS - dont hate the player hate the game!!! he perfected it dont get mad @ a brother for doing good to the raza latina!!!

@Ricky - Bro i support 110% were do i get my shirt!! and whens the next ricky show so i can support!!

@ THE TRUE S.L.U.T.S you guys keep doing ur thing and showing support like you do cuz with out u there would be no true SUPPORTERS!!

@confundida-- girl no body is attacking u personally!! and u talk about if we knew who u were?? who are u then?? ur so big and stuff!! were can we see u perform?? im not attacking u but u come on all high and might!!!

Date: Mar 7 4:00 PM, 2005

dude write a book or somenthing , tooooooo fu8977ng long to read.

Date: Mar 7 2:49 PM, 2005

@Anonymous

You have some serious time on your hands, why not put it to good use? Do something better or shut up!

Your points are weak!

confundida · Foro Master

FIRST OF ALL I WEAR MY S.L.U.T SHIRT PROUDLY JUST BECAUSE I DONT WEAR TO EVERY EVENT DOES NOT MEAN I DONT SUPPORT. IF YOU KNEW EXACTLY WHO I WAS I ATTEND MOST VENUES EVEN ON A WEEKDAY. I KNOW MOST MUSICIAN BY FACE AND I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT BANDS THEY PLAY FOR AND WHAT INSTRUMENT THEY PLAY......

AS FOR THE S.L.U.T CAMPAIGN THAT A FELLOW MUSICIAN HAS STARTED WAS TO CREATE A SENSE OF DIVERSION OR AWARENESS AND IT BELIEVE OR NOT IT CAUGHT YOU ATTENTION...

I JUST LIKE TO ASK YOU ONE THING?? IF I WASNT A MEMBER OR DIDNT KNOW THE LOCALS BAND AND WASNT AWARE OF THE VENUES THAT THEY ARE PLAYING AT HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET PAID, YET ALONG RECOGNIZED??

I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT LOCAL ARTIST WHETER IT MIGHT BE REGGEA, URBAN, HIP HOP, FOLKLORE, CUMBIA, SALSA, MERENGUE, BACHATA (U NAME IT) I WILL SUPPORT THEM SO IF GET THE CHANCE TO SEE ME AROUND PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHY I SHOULDNT SUPPORT THIS CAMPAIGN.....

OTHER THAN THAT I DONT THINK "CONFUNDIDA" HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY

latinsoulchild · TOP Guru

Well Great!

I'm happy that in your reply, you took a different approach to explaining your views. Please let me know what I have to do in your eyes to end up "belonging" to an urban community? If in the end, I don't end up being urban enough for you, does it mean I have to stop supporting it? Does this mean that since this topic was being bounced around the Latin Urban circle, that someone finally will react and put in their part? Great!

If you think that what I'm trying to achieve is silly, then please show me the ropes on this. Since you think I'm doing something madly wrong. I would love for other musicians/artists to get involved in this but thus far....nobody's done it. Many musicians/artists sit in silence complaining about the quality of the scene here but they leave it at that and keep the tradition of being treated like sh!t.... They don't want to express their views openly like I'm doing and you're doing. Alot of them concentrate on advertising their name alone and like to bash other talent thinking one act is better than the other etc... PUHLEEEZE!!! The tees were made with someone's money. I think that the one who put the money in the merchandise should get it back. What do you suggest in this? Should I go ask around for others to put in a dollar as well? We can split the losses if it would make people smile.

I 'm working on my R&B album to be released the end of this year maybe earlier. I guess I have to wait 'till then to be justified and in a sense "belong". Yes I sing salsa and bachata live here, but frankly it's the only thing that'll get my musicians paid. Unlike other artists, I have the balls to say "no" to any promoter wanting to cut down my band's pay or cut down the band's size. Yes, I'd risk losing a show because my musicians aren't getting paid. That's just becasue I respect the stage and the art. I'm so damn pround to admit that I haven't jacked anybody in this scene. I've been honest in this game from the start. I don't rip off fellow musicians....I like to see them interested and determined to better their art. Please lemme see others do that! I haven't seen any live shows in recent days except the ones with the artists and a karaoke track. The only latin urban act I've seen backed up by a band was Fito. I know becasue I was in that band proudly singing ONLY backup! Might as well throw your picture on stage and let the DJ spin your track if there ain't no band behind you.

Click on my name and you'll find an e-mail address. I'm open to contact anybody that'll help better the cause. Could you maybe post YOUR e-mail or maybe a name of some sort? I'm interested in your views. I'm interested in knowing how latino's co-wrote the urban thing. That's taking alot of credit. Perhaps since you're urban enough for this, you can take charge of the chariot. If the abbreviation S.L.U.T don't appease you, then start your own campaign supporting your peeps. Make it bounce around more than the S.L.U.T campaign you say was. I honestly admit.... that the day I see another campaign supporting our talent, I would be mad proud. But in the meantime, since nobody's approached me asides those behind the "anonymous" name, looks like I'm on my own.

Support all YOUR talent!!!

Ricky

GENIE · Foro Master

@Anonymous - why do u say us supporters are jokes??? Cuz we support a cause that we think is an issue?? that the fact that our local talents are not making it anywere?? that we support everyone from Ricky to Code Blue to Son Ache ??? Look i wear my shirt all the time to the mall shopping i have had ppl stop me and ask me what its all about!! one correction the shirts for guys say slut and have the meaning on the back the girls tees HAVE S.L.U.T. AND RIGHT UNDERNEATH IT SAYS Support Latin URban Talent!!

You call us jokes why?? cuz i go to all events i support all i even went to lucid on a wed to see a live salsa band!!! do u do that??? no do u go to all the events possible?? no i bet u dont!!

DOES it bother everyone that Ricky has made this Campaign?? and doesnt apply it just to one gender of music sure its urban but like he said its no just rap or hip hop so on and so on!!

THE MAIN REASON U SEE MOST OF US WEARING THESE SHIRTS AT RICKYS EVENTS IS CUZ HES ONE OF THE FEW LOCAL TALENTS THAT DOES PERFORM!!! OFTEN!!! HES ONE PERSON WHO COMES ON STAGE AND GIVE A SHOW THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO GO WATCH!! ALSO HE HASNT LET ALL THIS GET TO HIS HEAD!! HES AN AMAZING PERSON AND PERFORMER HES ONE THAT WANTS EVERYONE OUT THERE TO MAKE IT!! HE PUTS ALL THESE LOCAL TALENTS BEFOR HIMSELF!!

WHY IS IT SO WRONG FOR HIM TO MAKE AWARENESS!! I BET THAT IF ANY OTHER ARTIST!! BE IT HERE OR ANYWERE ELSE!! WERE TO DO IT LET SAY DADDY YANKEE U WOULD BE THERE WEARING IT PROUD!! BUT BECUASE RICKY IS "NOT AN URBAN" ARTISTS AS U DEFINE URBAN THEN ITS NOT OK!! YEAH U SOUND LIKE A HATER!! AND UR PROBABLY JUST MAD CUZ HES MADE AND IDEA MARKETED AND WHILE UR DUMB ASS JUST SITS AROUND AND WONDERS OH WHY DIDNT I THINK OF IT!!! LOOK AFTER THIS CALL ME WHAT U WANT CUZ IM NOT GONNA WASTE MY TIME REPLYING ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS

YOUR A HATER IM NOT I SUPPORT ALL TALENT WEATHER U SING MARIACHI - SALSA - BACHATA HELL I EVEN LIKE COUNTRY!!!

RICKY YOU KEEP DOING WHAT UR DOING AND KNOW THAT AT LEAST U HAVE STAYED TRUE TO THIS!! AND THAT YOU KNOW WHO THE TRUE SUPPORTERS ARE!!! AND NO IMPORTA QUE PERSONA DIGA LO QUE DIGA UR ARE THE ONE WHOS GONNA MAKE IT IN THIS BSNS AND BRING UP ALL THESE TALENTS TO MAJOR SUCCESS ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME!!!

Date: Mar 7 10:17 AM, 2005

Mira Ricky,

There's always two or more points of views for any opinion, whether it's my original post or your (wordy) reply. Facts of the matter (and believe me, i didn't intend to nail u to the cross, but discuss the topic) are:

A) Selling them tees could be interpreted by the "urban" genre (Hip-hop, Rnb, Reggaeton, more on this below) shady business since indeed your not considered an urban artist.

B) Don't be surprised if I or any other artist see this as a selfless act (whether u made $ or lost). What other first immpression would we have when u acted alone on something that involves an entire sector of a community (again, one u don't belong to) and a product for sale.

Also, u missunderstood me: I didn't ask you for any profits from ur tees.

Now about the genre name: This has been in our circles since the early 90's. Some ppl believe the name should be used for all music that has come out of the black experience from slavery till now. That would include EVERYTHING from criollo to country music like u said.

Other ppl (this is the worst one of all) argue its literall meaning. but that would mean that every music form that was created in an urban center (city) should be urban. Tha's so wrong! There's no way Rock and Classical can be "urban"

The best interpretation for Urban Music is what music stores, lables and radio stations use: In that urban music means Hip-hop and Rnb(which nowadays is really rythmic pop). It basically refers to music that the majority of young-inner-city kids in the US listen to. It does not include Reggae, soca, funk, real RnB, salsa, merengue, bachata nor Jazz.

As for the Flow's slogan, it should reallybe Toronto's BLACK FM. Not that I don't like the station...but they seem to neglect that LATINOS co-wrote this urban thing!

Ricky, all the above and previous post wasn't meant as killer blow at u. It was, however, meant to start a discussion of a topic that's been bounced around in the LATINO URBAN circle.

Peace V...here's ur half ..!.. (just kidding c@bron!)

latinsoulchild · TOP Guru

Bueno,

In respect to the opinions being stated here, I think it would be my pleasure to explain the whole purpose of the S.L.U.T campaign (again and again) to you since you find mad interest in it. Hell...I was the one who started the damn thing right? So I think I owe you the explanation. I'll lay it all down for you so you can sleep better at nights.

I've been through this before where people just didn't like the word I was using for the campaign. I explained to them that it wasn't a word....it was an abbreviation of a better message. Good thing though is that it caught attention because of its controversy. The word SLUT created the interest and the message S-Support L-Local U-Urban T-Talent created the awareness. Dang...it made you come up in here hiding behind the "Anonymous" name to raise hell....lol Guess it worked no? One thing that surprises me is that you "seem" to be a fellow musician and/or artist not liking this whole idea at all. But on the other hand, you don't realize that this was done for YOUR benefit not mine alone.

Find it hard to believe (and I won't beg for you to either) when I say that it was a selfless action on my behalf to start the awareness of keeping live art alive and well in our community. Yes I had the necessity to stop the unfairness towards our talent. Nobody did jack about it so I decided to try something to help out. To let the community realize that our city HAS amazing talent that is simply being kicked in the backburner. To send a message to promoters and organizers that our talent is here and READY to entertain crowds at a calibre other musicians in cities like New York and Miami or wherever are doing. But most importantly, to create a unity as a whole amongst any genre of musician to start respecting the f@ck!n stage and to gain determination and the drive to prove themselves as high calibre product!!! As for your comment on my music not being urban? You're right....not all the music I've posted on the torontohispano radio was urban to you. It was tropical. BUT what is urban to you???

Please permit me in all your worthiness give you a little history lesson. The word "urban" simply defines "...anything related to, or located in a city" (Go to dictionary.com) So urban music is defined as "city music"...right? Does it say anywhere in there that urban music has to be confined to only rap, hip/hop, R&B or reggaeton?? I'm sorry but just because you drop a repetitive beat and start spittin' rhymes doesn't make it "urbanzied". Please tell that to the likes of Luther Vandross, Stevie Wonder, James Brown or even Charlie Parker that their music was not urban so they can all jump you and run you over with a grand piano. Funny how Flow 93.5FM plays Dance Hall Reggae and Soca but those genres are just as tropical as Bachata, Merengue or Salsa.....BUT their logo is 'Toronto's Urban FM".....makes you think huh?

Let's look at it in another perspective. What if we say that urban music only meant "black music"??? Then I'm sorry kid.... being a spic "acting" black don't make you urban at all. On the other hand, those who are "true" musicians know that ANYTHING that has a beat or percussion was given to us by the Africans.......true black people. I don't care if it's country music or polka music. They all have drum beats ......so does that mean that Willie Nelson and Patsy Cline sang "urban music"???

So you see..... I don't necessarily have to be wearing jeans that are 6 times bigger than my actual size or wear "fly kicks" or throw on a West 49 cap sideways to be a huge fan of what you would confine urban music to be. I don't have to try and act black to love urban music do I?!? I don't have to say "yo" to start every sentence do I??? I love to sing any kind of music. I dress the way I feel comfortable dressing and I don't conform to any hype fashion statements either. I don't wear gear with big ass logo's just to "fit in". I'm open to anything with heart be it classical music, gangsta' rap or even jazz music. But I've ALWAYS had that mad respect for the musicians and artists that help create that heart in the music. I took that passion and wanted to see it flourish with my latino community's musicians and artists. I wanted to have our people performing in many places around so that we can showcase our culture's beauty and diversity to those who wanted to see it. And in the end make those viewers happy that they spent a good buck to see quality sh!t.

I sing music for the LOVE of music....don't matter what f@kkin kind of music. I've felt equally proud wearing tight ass Mariachi pants singing with my dad's Mariachi as I was wearing baggy ass jeans when I used to sing with my boy Fito Blanko. I don't try to categorize myself as urban just to justify the S.L.U.T campaign or to justify myself worthy of your damn respect. I want us honest musicians to have the ability to save our jobs on the stage doing what we love doing. Your ass didn't do anything for the cause so I did.

So since I'm doing a little explaining to you, I think you should know why people aren't wearing them S.L.U.T shirts at your fav specified events. Long story short????? Very few people have bought them tees.....literally. So I'm sorry I didn't sell enough to have them tees find their way to those events you mentioned. So I also think your comment on me making a profit kinda' back flops on you. The very few that have been sold during my performances actually worked for ALL OF US. I think it's only fair that someone who pays out of their own hard earned money to make these tees gain to at least break even. In the process, if people DO buy them....it causes awareness to others who see the shirts on these people's backs. If you like my people to come to your venues and hussle some tees for you, we would love to. But I'll be honest....you won't get a rusty penny from me nor any apologies if your coin wasn't put into making the merchandise. If you never fronted any ducats into these tees than who in 'da blue hell told you it was wrong for me to sell them?!?!?!? If I had enough profit, did you think I would walk up to you and hand you some money without you putting in your part??

HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and again I say....your ass didn't do anyting for the cause....so I did.

I'm not trying to "big up" the Ricky Franco name on them shirts at all because if you maybe taken a look at the damn shirt, you'd realize that my name DOES NOT appear anywhere on there. You can look at the tags or wherever on that shirt and you'll find no "Ricky Franco" anywhere. You'll see the letters S.L.U.T on the front and what it stands for on the back....THAT'S IT!! Noooooooooooooo Ricky Franco anywhere on there homie. So your whining on that was insulting and plain ignorant. I don't try promoting myself with this campaign. I promote those who are honest in the game and have that sincere passion....not egoistic fame seekers and low priced sell outs!

Now to those people that are S.L.U.T supporters that you be hatin' on? They are great music fans that I'm sure have attended NYC Spanish Harlem Nights and the Reggaeton Olympics and ESPECIALLY events where our talent was being showcased. They are individuals who state their own opinions on this free speech forum. If you don't like some of their views on things....take the battle to them individually....don't ride it with my name. That's mad gay of you to think that way but why ain't I surprised?. Plus, like a television station would say during an informercial: "Views and opinions stated here do not represent nor endorse the Ricky Franco name" If you don't like them "S.L.U.T"s or what they opiniate.....don't blame me!

I'm sorry you find me trying to help us all out sickening. I'm sorry that I try selling tees made by hard earned money and I don't end up giving any free money to you. I'm sorry for promoting the existence of the talent here that so desperately needs support from everyone! I'm sorry that I chose the abbreviation S.L.U.T for the campaign. But I'm mostly sorry if you find yourself not working at all just doing what you love. I've put my part and will keep on putting my part despite the insults and dumb threads. I wanna see sh!t happen for the better of our community and because I care that much, nothing you say will stop me. But I thank you for your opinion and all I ask from you is to respect what you do and spread the word that our talent needs support. And by you being a talent yourself, I think its your duty to put your part in this no questions asked....right?

Thank you for your opinions guys. Hope this helped

Keep supporting ALL your local talent....even the hatin' ones!...lol

Mad Luv,

Ricky Franco

-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 04:13, 2005-03-07

Date: Mar 6 11:54 AM, 2005

Like it was mentioned previously........Ricky is the biggest slut in town and it would only be fitting that he would be the leader of the S.L.U.T. CAMPAIGN.

Date: Mar 5 10:55 PM, 2005

don,

You missed my point there, homie. That S.L.U.T. campaign hasn't had any effect on any LATIN URBAN artists. It has had an effect for Ricky but he's not even considered urban by anyone that knows urban music.

Have u seen anyone with a SLUT shirt a events like The Reggeaton Olympics, Spanish Harlem Nights/ any CBC show, a Cikatris show???.......I didn't think so.

Plain and simple: Ricky ain't URBAN and he shouldn't SELL shirts that suggest he is. It's cool if he wants to help promote a "groove-ment" but to try and pull a profit from it is wrong.

By the way, don, please read through ur own post before you post it. It's kind of hard to read through ur writing.

Let's keep it real. Peace

don_plyero · Guru

hay no problem i always support mi gente de toronto and always will

and ya we got talented musicos that can be better then the states but still like we all say no support jajaja support your talent look at fito there supporting him and hes so big in the states hes on shows like mun2 and univision so i wanna see more of out talent go far keep your ears open for alex bello, xtasis,ricky franko y mucho mas

and ya i hope 2 get my single done verry soon its a reggaeton cd

and were hoping we can take it far any reggaeton or any singer willing to help out with this project contact me

Date: Mar 5 11:53 AM, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: don_plyero
"oye do u support socal talent? i dont think so from what your saying ricky started it all because of lack of support for out local talent in toronto we have a lot of talented people in the music but theres no support SLUT does look bad in your point of view but think about it he wouldnt have ever started it if u guy would have supported our talent for all the people in the slut campain keep it going i like to see people hating jajaja no but keep it up and dont stop SUPPORT OUR LOCAL TALENT "

don, you are one of the very few users that always has something positive to say about everything!!! You are a true supporter that does not hate on anyone!!!

YOU KEEP UP THE GREAT FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

don_plyero · Guru

oye do u support socal talent? i dont think so from what your saying

ricky started it all because of lack of support for out local talent in toronto

we have a lot of talented people in the music but theres no support

SLUT does look bad in your point of view but think about it he wouldnt have ever started it if u guy would have supported our talent

for all the people in the slut campain keep it going i like to see people hating jajaja

no but keep it up and dont stop

SUPPORT OUR LOCAL TALENT

Date: Mar 5 11:29 AM, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Anonymous
"i just think that slut is a derrogatory term when ppl. see latin girls wearing it, especially if the back is covered up where it says what the letters stand for. Also, I agree with what the guy at the top said that most of it is for Franco anyways!"

I agree totally with your opinion!!!! and all the bitches in this foro signing as "V.I.P."/"Senior"/

"Bestest" members of the campaign think they are all that!!! They think they are the "true" supporters of latin talent. Everyone is an attention whore in there own way and they have to stop being the "Queens of bitches"

Date: Mar 5 11:17 AM, 2005

i just think that slut is a derrogatory term when ppl. see latin girls wearing it, especially if the back is covered up where it says what the letters stand for. Also, I agree with what the guy at the top said that most of it is for Franco anyways!

Date: Mar 4 10:53 PM, 2005

I hate to come out like a hater but I have to say that most of you "S.L.U.Ts" are a joke. Sure ur intentions (and/or Ricky Franco's) may have been good to begin with but it seems to me you guys don't live up to slogan. It's like seeing a Republican/Conservative/KKK wearing a Che Guevara shirt.

I've seen alot of you wearing the shirts at Ricky's show but we never see any of you at other local LATINO URBAN events. BTW, not sure what stations and or music u've all been listening to for the past few years but Ricky Franco's music (as good as it is, and it IS good) is not urban, at all...sorry to infrom u.

And Ricky, hermano, what makes u think u can come out with a shirt like that. I mean, thanks for trying to create awareness for the rest of us but coming out with a shirt like that and selling it is WRONG!!!! Here u r pumping points for a genre of music u don't belong to (musicaly) and u r trying to pull a profit. And don't even tell me ur not pulling a profit or that u were planning to donate them profits for a cause.

It's bad 'nuf what we go through with all the sh!tty promoters/clubs and all....but to have a fellow latino musician pull something like that is even more sickining.