Gay Marriage

Chilenita · Comandante

RE: RE: Gay Marriage

God · TOP Guru

Sorry I was trying to answer and I fogot something.....It is true that perhaps homosexuals do not fall into the traditional definition of marriage, which includes a man and a woman joined together to form a conventional family. Single mothers and fathers do not necessarily fit the mold either, and yet the love for their children is no less.
But to call them anything less than a family would be unjust. What is important in a marriage is love and trust. Marriage is the union of souls, and that cannot be regulated by some act of Congress or Some Fanatic Priest or a corrupt Minester.

Chilenita · Comandante

quote:
Originally posted by: DR J
"I'm not against gay people getting married, most of them have a marital life already, a paper saying they're married won't make much of a difference. But I think of the kids they will adopt, and think of how cruel other kids can be. "What do you mean you have 2 moms?"( or 2 dads??) "

I guess this is why it's important to teach children tolerance at an early age. Gays and lesbians are not going anywhere in fact over the last ten years they have been more and more open. I know many straight parents that are f**ked up so as long as your a good parent your sexual orientation should not matter and if it does should we ban kinky swingers from having children??

@Princessa - "the world is all f**ked up already but that won't make me change my view on gay and lesbian marriage"....what does this mean?

God · TOP Guru

The burden of proof is on opponents to gay adoption/marriage/homosexuality in general. Nort American society is founded on the notion of negative liberty , which states basically that the limits of one person's freedoms is only defined by how those freedoms infringe (or not) on other peoples' freedoms. Gays/Lesbians to not have to justify what they want or do; Religion is not a suitable basis for such a reason, because religious doctrine does not direct law in North America (so sayeth the separation of church and state). beyond that, there is no scientific (social, physiological, or otherwise) evidence that supports any claim that there is anything wrong with homosexuality, including gays rights to adoption and marriage. when it comes down to it, one always finds conservatives' arguments are predicated not on any logical thought process, but rather on prejudice (disgust, fear, discomfort, whatever). It always comes back to that. All of their logic is specious. they start with a prejudice, and then just search for arguments that superficially support it. that is no way to pursue truth, or a path towards a better society.

FYI , the notion that it is unnatural is fallacious. Roughly 1/3 of known species in the world exhibit gay/bisexual behavior, including same-sex coupling for life.

I think conservatives must give good reasons why they should not be allowed to.

just my 2 cents

DR J · Guru

I'm not against gay people getting married, most of them have a marital life already, a paper saying they're married won't make much of a difference.

But I think of the kids they will adopt, and think of how cruel other kids can be. "What do you mean you have 2 moms?"( or 2 dads??)

Chilenita · Comandante

quote:
Originally posted by: PRINCESSA
" Chilenita..........It's Just Wrong!!! It's about principal. I guess this world is all f__cked up already, but that won't make me change my view on gay or lesbian marriages. I guess it's just about how I was raised, my family values, etc.. It's a personal point of view. I won't get into details, especially not on a foro, but my opinion is "it shouldn't be an option to any of them to get married or adopt."

Okay, well you have already said that you are against it on the foro so what is the difference if you say why??? This foro is for great for this type of debate..think about it who the hell is Princessa...nobody know...it's your opion. If you have a VALID point you should make it.

Family values or religion? If you are "okay" with gays and lesbians than why "shouldn't it be an option" for them to get married? What does someone sexual orientation have to do with how they would raise a child? This is what this is all about sexual orientation. If it is because of religion than I guess you would be against PRE MARITAL sex too? and a whole bunch of other stuff that the bible says.

I am interested in your opion because I find that many times when people say this they don't really have any good reasons to back it up.....CURIOUS!

God · TOP Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: PRINCESSA
"It's about principal.
I guess it's just about how I was raised, my family values, etc..
but my opinion is "it shouldn't be an option to any of them to get married or adopt."

Tell me more about your principals ?
Family Values.... a Gay family has different Values ?
Shouldn't be an Option.......what it should be then ?

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: Chilenita
" Princessa, I would love to know what your reasons are. I always wonder what people that are against this think????? "

Chilenita..........It's Just Wrong!!! It's about principal. I guess this world is all f__cked up already, but that won't make me change my view on gay or lesbian marriages.

I guess it's just about how I was raised, my family values, etc.. It's a personal point of view.

I won't get into details, especially not on a foro, but my opinion is "it shouldn't be an option to any of them to get married or adopt.

FEA · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: PRINCESSA
"

@ Fea........WOW!!!! I'm very surprised you would say this: why should the straight be able to marry the one they love and no the gays?".
I respect Gay & Lesbians, I even have a gay friend from college & i gotta say his/she an amazing person. But Just as I told him............It's ONE thing to be Gay or Lesbian. BUT......BIG BUT.....to marry or EVEN REMOTLY CONSIDERING ANY OF THEM TO ADOPT.........Is WAY beyond me & anything I can think of.
I think it's fine how they are, but let's not go this far.
Well that's my very small opinion, since i can probably go on forever & in more depth of why i think it's NOT right.
Once again it's my opinion & it's not meant to hurt any ones feeling. Take whatever way."

i'm sure many people have your same opinion but why?

Chilenita · Comandante

quote:
Originally posted by: PRINCESSA
" @ Fea........WOW!!!! I'm very surprised you would say this: why should the straight be able to marry the one they love and no the gays?". I respect Gay & Lesbians, I even have a gay friend from college & i gotta say his/she an amazing person. But Just as I told him............It's ONE thing to be Gay or Lesbian. BUT......BIG BUT.....to marry or EVEN REMOTLY CONSIDERING ANY OF THEM TO ADOPT.........Is WAY beyond me & anything I can think of. I think it's fine how they are, but let's not go this far. Well that's my very small opinion, since i can probably go on forever & in more depth of why i think it's NOT right. Once again it's my opinion & it's not meant to hurt any ones feeling. Take whatever way."

Princessa,

I would love to know what your reasons are. I always wonder what people that are against this think?????

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: FEA
"i have no problem with this. why should the straight be able to marry the one they love and no the gays?"

@ Fea........WOW!!!! I'm very surprised you would say this: why should the straight be able to marry the one they love and no the gays?".

I respect Gay & Lesbians, I even have a gay friend from college & i gotta say his/she an amazing person. But Just as I told him............It's ONE thing to be Gay or Lesbian. BUT......BIG BUT.....to marry or EVEN REMOTLY CONSIDERING ANY OF THEM TO ADOPT.........Is WAY beyond me & anything I can think of.

I think it's fine how they are, but let's not go this far.

Well that's my very small opinion, since i can probably go on forever & in more depth of why i think it's NOT right.

Once again it's my opinion & it's not meant to hurt any ones feeling. Take whatever way.

FEA · Guru

i have no problem with this. why should the straight be able to marry the one they love and no the gays?

God · TOP Guru

No matter what is your religion and your God, Allah, Jesus, Buddah CAN NOT tell you who to love

No politician or Judge is going to tell you if you can love somebody

Let them be !

Chilenita · Comandante

Love is Love....does not matter if it's two males, two females or whatever.

GENIE · Foro Master

Many people dont agree for religious reason which is understandable or just plain ignorance. I believe that if two ppl love eachother and are going to commit weather it be women or man or man and man or women and women then y not they are able to live together and do it all like couples y not allow them too maybe not by church but y not by government standards besides politics should not mix with religion

Date: Feb 3 12:56 PM, 2005

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