Gay Marriage

Afrodita · Guru

RE: Gay Marriage

miguel · TOP Guru

Afrodita wrote:

@ Miguel..... which years were you at UofT???? my undergrad was exactly the same, mostly mathematics, some computer science and yeah some Spanish as well...for GPA purposes of course....LOL.

you're my school clone :) i was at uoft from 97-2003 (did my undergrad part time while working fulltime)

working on my M.S. now (sortof, LOL)

maybe we were in some classes together?

Date: Jul 7 10:51 AM, 2005

Caliche wrote:
Chilenita, i think men are hot? wow, you really had to break ur head to think of that line...

Funny how out of all the things I wrote that is the one line you choose to defend. Actually responding to you doesn't take much "head breaking"...

@anonymous that asked to sleep with my daughter.....I don't have one yet but when I do I can assure you that YOU will be the type of man she will be quick to reject! I am certain that narrow minded fools that are obviously sick in the head will not be attractive to her at all.

Chilenita

Afrodita · Guru

miguel wrote:

babes wrote:
Miguel, I think we were in the same class together.....lol....did you major in sociology too?

no i was not a sociology major, LOL. my undergrad (@uoft) was mostly in mathematics.. (and some computer science and some spanish lit)

@ Miguel..... which years were you at UofT???? my undergrad was exactly the same, mostly mathematics, some computer science and yeah some Spanish as well...for GPA purposes of course....LOL.

Chilenita · Comandante

Caliche wrote:

If you dont like what i say, thats unfortunate... go cry me a river Miguel,

@Miguel...great as always

Caliche gets more annoying by the minute

miguel · TOP Guru

babes wrote:

Miguel, I think we were in the same class together.....lol....did you major in sociology too?

no i was not a sociology major, LOL. my undergrad (@uoft) was mostly in mathematics.. (and some computer science and some spanish lit)

babes · Guru

Miguel, I think we were in the same class together.....lol....did you major in sociology too?

Phantasma · TOP Guru

miguel wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:
This is to retrack myself & make things clear to everyone that may have taken my comments wrong or offensivly.
I just want to appoligize to anyone that I have hurt or offended honestly unconsiously. Sorry
Basically I still hold strong to what I believe, that it's not right for them to get married or adopt (this is my opinion only). Having said that I do respect them all & think they can live their lives in which ever way they wish or makes them happy, BUT I have NEVER, EVER wished on them any bad.

PRINCESSA

wonderful! you are entitled to have your opinions and that's totally cool.. it's when people start saying stuff like "gays should be put down" and spreading hate that you start to wonder (Caliche.....)..

i think the bottom line is that we have to try and learn to separate our personal / moral / religious beliefs from what our government should / should not allow.

let me just throw some stuff at you for you to think about..

let's say we believe that gay people should not be allowed to adopt / raise children because it's "wrong". How can we legally enforce this? How can the government legally prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that a person is gay and _deny_ them adoption rights?

it's impossible! also what if you were _accused_ of been gay and really weren't. you decide to adopt and somehow the government decides that you're gay.. that would suck wouldn't it?

basically, enforcing these "moral/family values" arguments opens up legal cans of worms that the legal community would be up in arms over. if they start attacking these things, where does the line get drawn? when do they start infringing on OUR rights as individuals... legal precedents get set and the impact could be catastrophic..

so now let's say that to enforce gays not being able to adopt...(again,because we think it's "wrong") the government tries another stop gap measure.. single people are not able to adopt. i, as a single individual (straight, gay, doesn't matter) can get together with a willing female (straight, gay, doesn't matter) and make a child (it's pretty easy isn't it?). or how about a marriage of convenience? if the government tries to tell me/you what we can or cannot do with our sperm/ovaries.. trust me a lot of people would be pissed off. the government cannot stop single people from adopting.

so the bottom line is this. gay people can already have children (biologically if they want), or adopting. _whether or not they are married_

the only rights they are gaining by being allowed to marry legally are the tax rights / legal rights awarded to couples. these are _not_ the things the "moral majority" is worried about. the "moral majority" worries about things that gay people can _already_ do.

can we restrict gays from doing things that we do not morally agree with? no freaking way! we don't want to be messing with _our own rights_.

our society has not degenerated yet and will not degenerate because of governments officially sanctioning things that already exist and we have no control over.

this is not just about gay rights, it's about people's rights in general. keep this in mind

it's not bad to have your own set of morals, only try to separate them from what you feel the government should or should not do and try and understand the broader impact.-- Edited by miguel at 12:37, 2005-07-05

Damn that was impressive... I only wish I were that eloquent.

miguel · TOP Guru

Caliche wrote:

If you dont like what i say, thats unfortunate... go cry me a river Miguel,

ditto for you dude

Caliche · TOP Guru

If you dont like what i say, thats unfortunate... go cry me a river Miguel,

TV Buff · TOP Guru

@ Miguel:

@ Caliche:

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

miguel wrote:

PRINCESSA wonderful! you are entitled to have your opinions and that's totally cool.. it's when people start saying stuff like "gays should be put down" and spreading hate that you start to wonder (Caliche.....)..

Well that's why I retracked myself & mended my words or how they came across.

Either way I respect others, I never go on saying this or that about others peoples opinions (like some)......so I have mine & they are what they are (I won't change them, cause I believe in them). Plus my expresions or opinion are never to put anyone down.

Hope this is clear now.

GENIE · Foro Master

miguel wrote:

: PRINCESSA wonderful! you are entitled to have your opinions and that's totally cool.. it's when people start saying stuff like "gays should be put down" and spreading hate that you start to wonder (Caliche.....).. i think the bottom line is that we have to try and learn to separate our personal / moral / religious beliefs from what our government should / should not allow. let me just throw some stuff at you for you to think about.. let's say we believe that gay people should not be allowed to adopt / raise children because it's "wrong". How can we legally enforce this? How can the government legally prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that a person is gay and _deny_ them adoption rights? it's impossible! also what if you were _accused_ of been gay and really weren't. you decide to adopt and somehow the government decides that you're gay.. that would suck wouldn't it? basically, enforcing these "moral/family values" arguments opens up legal cans of worms that the legal community would be up in arms over. if they start attacking these things, where does the line get drawn? when do they start infringing on OUR rights as individuals... legal precedents get set and the impact could be catastrophic.. so now let's say that to enforce gays not being able to adopt...(again,because we think it's "wrong") the government tries another stop gap measure.. single people are not able to adopt. i, as a single individual (straight, gay, doesn't matter) can get together with a willing female (straight, gay, doesn't matter) and make a child (it's pretty easy isn't it?). if the government tries to tell me/you what we can or cannot do with our sperm/ovaries.. trust me a lot of people would be pissed off. the government cannot stop single people from adopting. so the bottom line is this. gay people can already have children (biologically if they want), or adopting. _whether or not they are married_ the only rights they are gaining by being allowed to marry legally are the tax rights / legal rights awarded to couples. these are _not_ the things the "moral majority" is worried about. the "moral majority" worries about things that gay people can _already_ do. can we restrict gays from doing things that we do not morally agree with? no freaking way! we don't want to be messing with _our own rights_. our society has not degenerated yet and will not degenerate because of governments officially sanctioning things that already exist and we have no control over. this is not just about gay rights, it's about people's rights in general. keep this in mind it's not bad to have your own set of morals, only try to separate them from what you feel the government should or should not do and try and understand the broader impact.

Well said miguelito!

Princessa we respect your views may not agree but thats what makes the world go around!

miguel · TOP Guru

PRINCESSA wrote:

This is to retrack myself & make things clear to everyone that may have taken my comments wrong or offensivly.
I just want to appoligize to anyone that I have hurt or offended honestly unconsiously. Sorry
Basically I still hold strong to what I believe, that it's not right for them to get married or adopt (this is my opinion only). Having said that I do respect them all & think they can live their lives in which ever way they wish or makes them happy, BUT I have NEVER, EVER wished on them any bad.

PRINCESSA

wonderful! you are entitled to have your opinions and that's totally cool.. it's when people start saying stuff like "gays should be put down" and spreading hate that you start to wonder (Caliche.....)..

i think the bottom line is that we have to try and learn to separate our personal / moral / religious beliefs from what our government should / should not allow.

let me just throw some stuff at you for you to think about..

let's say we believe that gay people should not be allowed to adopt / raise children because it's "wrong". How can we legally enforce this? How can the government legally prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that a person is gay and _deny_ them adoption rights?

it's impossible! also what if you were _accused_ of been gay and really weren't. you decide to adopt and somehow the government decides that you're gay.. that would suck wouldn't it?

basically, enforcing these "moral/family values" arguments opens up legal cans of worms that the legal community would be up in arms over. if they start attacking these things, where does the line get drawn? when do they start infringing on OUR rights as individuals... legal precedents get set and the impact could be catastrophic..

so now let's say that to enforce gays not being able to adopt...(again,because we think it's "wrong") the government tries another stop gap measure.. single people are not able to adopt. i, as a single individual (straight, gay, doesn't matter) can get together with a willing female (straight, gay, doesn't matter) and make a child (it's pretty easy isn't it?). or how about a marriage of convenience? if the government tries to tell me/you what we can or cannot do with our sperm/ovaries.. trust me a lot of people would be pissed off. the government cannot stop single people from adopting.

so the bottom line is this. gay people can already have children (biologically if they want), or adopting. _whether or not they are married_

the only rights they are gaining by being allowed to marry legally are the tax rights / legal rights awarded to couples. these are _not_ the things the "moral majority" is worried about. the "moral majority" worries about things that gay people can _already_ do.

can we restrict gays from doing things that we do not morally agree with? no freaking way! we don't want to be messing with _our own rights_.

our society has not degenerated yet and will not degenerate because of governments officially sanctioning things that already exist and we have no control over.

this is not just about gay rights, it's about people's rights in general. keep this in mind

it's not bad to have your own set of morals, only try to separate them from what you feel the government should or should not do and try and understand the broader impact.

-- Edited by miguel at 12:37, 2005-07-05

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

This is to retrack myself & make things clear to everyone that may have taken my comments wrong or offensivly.

I just want to appoligize to anyone that I have hurt or offended honestly unconsiously. Sorry

Basically I still hold strong to what I believe, that it's not right for them to get married or adopt (this is my opinion only). Having said that I do respect them all & think they can live their lives in which ever way they wish or makes them happy, BUT I have NEVER, EVER wished on them any bad.

PRINCESSA

God · TOP Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Chilenita wrote:
Love is Love....does not matter if it's two males, two females or whatever.

Oh you think so? Can I sleep with your daughter then?

You're the biggest sewer moron that's eva put a finga on a keyboard......

Date: Jul 4 11:23 PM, 2005

Chilenita wrote:

Love is Love....does not matter if it's two males, two females or whatever.

Oh you think so? Can I sleep with your daughter then?

Sweetness · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

I personally think that it's wrong, but as long as no homos or lesbos try to start something with me I don't care what their sexual preference is. What I don't get is that they like the same sex yet, they go on like straight couples. In a straight relationship there is a man and a woman, the same goes for gay couples. One of them goes on like the male and the next one goes on like the woman. So what's the point in being in a gay relationship if you're still going to go on like a straight couple. It doesn't make any sense to me. That's just my opinion, but I guess everyone is different. Everyone has free will and can choose their paths in life whatever it may be. I belive that God gave us free will to choose our paths in life. It's up to us to choose the right one. Some people think that being gay is the path straight to hell while others don't. We as human beings aren't perfect and will never be perfect in this lifetime for that matter. I do think that being gay is nasty, but like I said everyone has the right to choose their own lives. We should leave all the judging to God and God alone for he is the only one who has the right to judge us. I m not saying that we need to be accepting of them, but just to be tolerant of them, and not start any more problems. I just stay away from them, and let them live their lives just like I want them to leave me alone and let me live my life. In the end we will all be judged for what we did in life, and that is something that we will not be able to avoid. We won't know what the right path in life is until judgement day comes and we find out the truth about who was right and so on, but until then lets just try to be tolerant of one another and stay out of each others ways. My two cents

That was me. Just forgot to sign in.

Date: Jul 4 5:31 PM, 2005

I personally think that it's wrong, but as long as no homos or lesbos try to start something with me I don't care what their sexual preference is. What I don't get is that they like the same sex yet, they go on like straight couples. In a straight relationship there is a man and a woman, the same goes for gay couples. One of them goes on like the male and the next one goes on like the woman. So what's the point in being in a gay relationship if you're still going to go on like a straight couple. It doesn't make any sense to me. That's just my opinion, but I guess everyone is different. Everyone has free will and can choose their paths in life whatever it may be. I belive that God gave us free will to choose our paths in life. It's up to us to choose the right one. Some people think that being gay is the path straight to hell while others don't. We as human beings aren't perfect and will never be perfect in this lifetime for that matter. I do think that being gay is nasty, but like I said everyone has the right to choose their own lives. We should leave all the judging to God and God alone for he is the only one who has the right to judge us. I m not saying that we need to be accepting of them, but just to be tolerant of them, and not start any more problems. I just stay away from them, and let them live their lives just like I want them to leave me alone and let me live my life. In the end we will all be judged for what we did in life, and that is something that we will not be able to avoid. We won't know what the right path in life is until judgement day comes and we find out the truth about who was right and so on, but until then lets just try to be tolerant of one another and stay out of each others ways.

My two cents

Caliche · TOP Guru

Genie, i do apologize to you i didnt intend to offend you cuz me n u are cool, but thats just the way i think, i have my opinions and i stand by them...respect it or disrespect it, i still view you as cool person, if my opinions bring how you view me down its unfortunate but i cant change my views... those are my 2 cents,

Chilenita, i think men are hot? wow, you really had to break ur head to think of that line... and if these girls give me their time of day let them , they are cool and vibing people, if you dun like my personality wat do you want me to do, beg for it? i say u dun like me for who i am, then i say go buy lemons and make lemonade... keep ur mind occupied...

Chale no worries u dun have to defend me, i dun really give much thought to what they say about me, i got haters and fans everywhere, ike me or hate me its all love from my camp...

Chale_Tanga · TOP Guru

Chilenita wrote:

CHALE....GITANA....you guys give this guy the time of day???????????????

Girl dont believe everything you read around here.

Some things are said and done just to stir the pot.... Dont take things too personally girl.

Caliche is honestly one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. He's sweet. He's just got a twisted sense of humour sometimes, thats all.
But to his defense, he is a nice guy

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Chilenita wrote:

God wrote:
: I miss your posts.....please stay around...
Really? Most people just find them b!tchy - LOL....not that I care....

Its too bad this is what it too to get you out of foro exile but still glad you're back!

God · TOP Guru

Chilenita wrote:

God wrote:
: I miss your posts.....please stay around...
Really? Most people just find them b!tchy - LOL....not that I care....

Truth hurts.... thats why bonita.

GENIE · Foro Master

OMG!!

Princessa, Caliche and the rest of u narrow minded ppl! Im sorry please dont get offended but this is my opinion

Why should they have rights to everyting else pay taxes live like a couple (not necessarily man and women) but togther and not be given the right of holy matromony??

Yeah lets bring the bible into this if you want but then again WHO ARE U TO JUDGE?? DO U LIVE UR LIFE LIKE A GOOD CATHOLIC MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN, JEW OR WHATEVER UR RELIGION IS?? IF YOU CAN SAY YES I AM TRUE TO MY RELIGION AND I FOLLOW IT LIKE I SHOULD THEN I RESPECT UR OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO UR VIEW ABOUT IN REFERENCE TO THE BIBLE! OTHER THEN THAT ITS PLAIN IGNORANCE.

MY GODFATHER IS GAY! AND IM SO HAPPY THAT HIM AND HIS HUSBAND WILL BE ABLE TO GET MARRIED HE DESERVES IT.

YOU PEOPLE SHOULD POP THAT BUBBLE U LIVE IN AND REALISE THAT ITS NOT MESSED UP THAT ITS A BEAUTIFUL THING TO SEE TWO PPL WHO LOVE EACHOTHER RESPECT EACHOTHER TREAT EACHOTHER GOOD BE UNITED BY LAW IF NOT BY CHUCH YET!!

CALICHE YOU KNOW WE ARE COOL AND ALL BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS I TOTALLY DISRESPECT UR OPINION IF U FEEL SO SO STRONGLY ABOUT IT THEN PLEASE MOVE BACK HOME DONDE EL MACHISMO VALE A QUI OPEN UR MIND A LITTLE IT WILL GO A LONG WAY

Chilenita · Comandante

God wrote:

: I miss your posts.....please stay around...

Really? Most people just find them b!tchy - LOL....not that I care....

God · TOP Guru

Chilenita wrote:

@Caliche....hunting patos.....yeah she may want to join in....you guys have a lot in common. You know I have NO CLUE why some of these foro girls would EVER hang around someone like YOU???? Like look at your posts....go to chinos and fight....no wonder you are close minded look at your surrondings!!! SOunds like you just need a good a$$ kicking although I am sure it's been done before!!!

CHALE....GITANA....you guys give this guy the time of day???????????????

I miss your posts.....please stay around...

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Just to clarify the Hittler thing. He didnt kill thousands of people JUST because he hated his father. Obviously he was a psychopath and there were many other issues the man was dealing with, the father thing was just one of the factors that lead him to that.

Chilenita · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:

I remember back in school reading a theory that people often hate in others what they hate most in themselves. (for example, it is widely believed that Hittler was part Jewish on his father's side. Young Adolf hated his father, causing him to translate his hatred into mass slaughter as an adult.) I cant help to think, when I see so much homophobia, that there must be a reason behind it since most of us grew up in societies where homosexuality was viewed as deviant but yet most of us seem to be atleast tolerant, yet others seem to have an deep seeded almost personal vendetta against it. quote from the psychology book: Defense Mechanisms and Unconscious Causes of Fear Projection: Attributing to others one's own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, impulses, etc. So, the white person with repressed sexual urges may believe that all blacks are preoccupied with sex. The moralistic spouse, who is tempted to have an affair, begins to suspicion that his/her partner has been unfaithful. A slightly different form of paranoid projection is when a self-critical feeling or idea is attributed to others. Suppose a young woman from a religious family has strong feelings against any sexual urges she might have and, thus, almost never has them. She might start to believe, however, that others are critical of her whenever she wears a dress that shows her shape.

YEP I bet Caliche is angry that he finds men HOT!!!

Phantasma · TOP Guru

I remember back in school reading a theory that people often hate in others what they hate most in themselves. (for example, it is widely believed that Hittler was part Jewish on his father's side. Young Adolf hated his father, causing him to translate his hatred into mass slaughter as an adult.) I cant help to think, when I see so much homophobia, that there must be a reason behind it since most of us grew up in societies where homosexuality was viewed as deviant but yet most of us seem to be atleast tolerant, yet others seem to have an deep seeded almost personal vendetta against it.

quote from the psychology book:

Defense Mechanisms and Unconscious Causes of Fear

Projection: Attributing to others one's own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, impulses, etc. So, the white person with repressed sexual urges may believe that all blacks are preoccupied with sex. The moralistic spouse, who is tempted to have an affair, begins to suspicion that his/her partner has been unfaithful. A slightly different form of paranoid projection is when a self-critical feeling or idea is attributed to others. Suppose a young woman from a religious family has strong feelings against any sexual urges she might have and, thus, almost never has them. She might start to believe, however, that others are critical of her whenever she wears a dress that shows her shape.

Date: Jul 4 1:34 PM, 2005

Chilenita wrote:

@Caliche....hunting patos.....yeah she may want to join in....you guys have a lot in common. You know I have NO CLUE why some of these foro girls would EVER hang around someone like YOU???? Like look at your posts....go to chinos and fight....no wonder you are close minded look at your surrondings!!! SOunds like you just need a good a$$ kicking although I am sure it's been done before!!! CHALE....GITANA....you guys give this guy the time of day???????????????

Because some girls like the fake ass compiments from stupid guys.........hey..it's better than no compliments at all...LMAO.

Date: Jul 4 1:27 PM, 2005

Chilenita wrote:

@Caliche....hunting patos.....yeah she may want to join in....you guys have a lot in common. You know I have NO CLUE why some of these foro girls would EVER hang around someone like YOU???? Like look at your posts....go to chinos and fight....no wonder you are close minded look at your surrondings!!! SOunds like you just need a good a$$ kicking although I am sure it's been done before!!!

CHALE....GITANA....you guys give this guy the time of day???????????????

I think they give him wayyyy more than that.....LOL

Chilenita · Comandante

@Caliche....hunting patos.....yeah she may want to join in....you guys have a lot in common. You know I have NO CLUE why some of these foro girls would EVER hang around someone like YOU???? Like look at your posts....go to chinos and fight....no wonder you are close minded look at your surrondings!!! SOunds like you just need a good a$$ kicking although I am sure it's been done before!!!

CHALE....GITANA....you guys give this guy the time of day???????????????

Caliche · TOP Guru

well i hope Homolka wants to join me n do some pato hunting...

God · TOP Guru

Anonymous wrote:

@ CHILENITA- YOU ARE GREAT!!!!!!!! I MISS YOU BABY!!!!!!!

@CALICHE- YOU ARE SUCH A PIG!!!!!......I CAN'T STAND YOUR PERSONALITY....YOUR ARE SO NARROW MINDED....I CAN'T BELEIVE THAT IN THIS DAY AND AGE THAT YOU ARE NOT COMPASIONATE TO BE TOLERANT OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF LIFE......SO RIGHTEOUS.......YOU ACT SOOO AMERICAN.........RED NECK FOR LIFE!!!!!! TRY TO EMIGRATE TO THE US......THEY WOULD LOVE YOU!!!!... AND WE CAN BE RID OF DIRT LIKE YOU ... JUST KEEP ON FLIRTING WITH ALL THE UGLY GALS!!!!!!

Indeed Chilenita is one of the few bright minds in this place...I love her and I miss her around here..... Besides to be a smart woman she's Gorgeous.....I miss her....

Date: Jul 4 12:47 PM, 2005

Caliche wrote:

Im actually from the US...if im a pig den i guess all i can really say is "OINK OINK OINK" .. If you dun like my opinion then go cry me a river build a bridge over it and jump off it.... im off to look for my rifle imma go hunt some patos....

Caliche,

So you are AMERICAN eh? That facking explains it all!!! Listen, WHITE AMERICANS (not all but a HUGE majority) look at you the way you look at homosexuals because you are hispanic!! REMEMBER that and keep it in your mind always!!! You mentioned things like this not being acceptable in "our" countries - Chile is changing...not sure where you are from but I think you need to go back! Canada is a place for peacful non violent NORMAL people and I am afraid you don't fit in.

P.S Karla Holmoka is getting out today...I think you might make a great couple....

CHILENITA.....

God · TOP Guru

Caliche wrote:

watever is clever bro, to each their own right.... i got my opinion u got urs...

Maybe if you posted something with substance, instead of insults, you could even things out.

Caliche · TOP Guru

watever is clever bro, to each their own right.... i got my opinion u got urs...

God · TOP Guru

There is another Fact for you Caliche HIV it is spreading more rapidly among heterosexuals than homosexuals. As a side note, given the number of accidental pregnancies that occur it is plainly obvious that heterosexuals take safer sex far less seriously than homosexuals.

Caliche · TOP Guru

Im actually from the US...if im a pig den i guess all i can really say is "OINK OINK OINK" ..
If you dun like my opinion then go cry me a river build a bridge over it and jump off it....

im off to look for my rifle imma go hunt some patos....

miguel · TOP Guru

here's a funny email about this.....

----- snip snip -----

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

God · TOP Guru

Caliche wrote:

Sorry if wat im gonna say is offensive to some of y'all.... but im close minded to this topic. So take it for what it is, MY OPINION, agree or disagree, Im still right.

Pinche Maricones. Algun dia todos veran que los maricones estos estan llenos de enfermedades and should be put down. Como Hitler y el Holocausto, deberian de exterminar a esta peste entre nuestra sociedad. What is it with these people? Dont they have enough "rights" as it is being human that now they want to make laws involving their sexual prefernces? These type of people are infested with diseases. Does anyone aside from me think that these people should be kept in solitary confinement? If it was up to me, i'd exterminate these people by the masses. I wish one day someone will snap and pull a massacre at one of these parades in the downtown core..... Think of your children's future being taught by some sexually perverted teacher, do you want someone with no morals giving your children an education? Would you want someone with these sexual diseases interacting with your children? Personally, i believe that marriage was made as a union between a man and a woman, like God Almighty intended it to be. Its how things should be done. I hope one day people will see the way i see and understand that these people should not be allowed to live.

MY 2 CENTS...DONT DROP THE CHANGE.

Any person who does not take proper care of him/herself runs the risk of getting sick and dying. There are also genetic factors that predispose people to dying younger, sicker.

It is promiscuity, not a specific sexual orientation that predisposes a person most to sexually transmitted diseases. Simply speaking, the more you do it, and the more you do it without taking precautions, the more likely you are going to receive any kind of sexually transmitted disease, not just AIDs.

According to all studies not funded by the religious right, the finding has been that pedophilia is unrelated to sexual orientation.

Some of your "points" are simply stupid.

-- Edited by God at 11:44, 2005-07-04

Date: Jul 4 11:39 AM, 2005

@ CHILENITA- YOU ARE GREAT!!!!!!!! I MISS YOU BABY!!!!!!!

@CALICHE- YOU ARE SUCH A PIG!!!!!......I CAN'T STAND YOUR PERSONALITY....YOUR ARE SO NARROW MINDED....I CAN'T BELEIVE THAT IN THIS DAY AND AGE THAT YOU ARE NOT COMPASIONATE TO BE TOLERANT OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF LIFE......SO RIGHTEOUS.......YOU ACT SOOO AMERICAN.........RED NECK FOR LIFE!!!!!! TRY TO EMIGRATE TO THE US......THEY WOULD LOVE YOU!!!!... AND WE CAN BE RID OF DIRT LIKE YOU ... JUST KEEP ON FLIRTING WITH ALL THE UGLY GALS!!!!!!

Caliche · TOP Guru

Chilenita, its funny how fast you are to judge me because of my opinion. Tu no te preocupes, if my punishment for my "ignorance" is me gettin infected, well i guess i asked for it right... and as for u miguel, if u gonna use a biblical scripture to back ur coment ( love thy neighbor) know the bible .... wasnt Jesus the one that said " if you are free of sin cast the first stone"?

miguel · TOP Guru

Caliche wrote:

Sorry if wat im gonna say is offensive to some of y'all.... but im close minded to this topic. So take it for what it is, MY OPINION, agree or disagree, Im still right.

Pinche Maricones. Algun dia todos veran que los maricones estos estan llenos de enfermedades and should be put down. Como Hitler y el Holocausto, deberian de exterminar a esta peste entre nuestra sociedad. What is it with these people? Dont they have enough "rights" as it is being human that now they want to make laws involving their sexual prefernces? These type of people are infested with diseases. Does anyone aside from me think that these people should be kept in solitary confinement? If it was up to me, i'd exterminate these people by the masses. I wish one day someone will snap and pull a massacre at one of these parades in the downtown core..... Think of your children's future being taught by some sexually perverted teacher, do you want someone with no morals giving your children an education? Would you want someone with these sexual diseases interacting with your children? Personally, i believe that marriage was made as a union between a man and a woman, like God Almighty intended it to be. Its how things should be done. I hope one day people will see the way i see and understand that these people should not be allowed to live.

MY 2 CENTS...DONT DROP THE CHANGE.

this is from chilenita she is having technical issues and asked me to post it for her

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WOW!!! YOUR ignorance is absolutely MIND BLOWING!!!! As Miguel said it has been a long time since I read something SOOOOO ignorant!!!!! I have read your posts before and it's not like you are this highly religious type so what is with the "Almighty GOD" thing??? Are you a virgin?? Do you drink? DO you use condoms? Don't come BIBLE THUMP when it is convenient for you!!! YOU talk about a "massacre" at a pride parade??? Who are you? YOU are sick and need some serious attention!!! ONLY CRAZED people talk like that so I think you better get yourself to a shrink and QUICK!!!!

This is Canada and THANK GOD that it is a country where people with YOUR mentality are few!!!!!! Thank the "almighty GOD" that my parents raised me to be tolerant and NOT to judge anyone!!!

Perhaps your payment for being so CLOSE MINDED (which at least you admit to) will be that YOU get infested with the diseases that you speak about or have a gay child.

GOD LOVES EVERYONE even mean spirted close minded ignorant people like you!!!

****CHILENITA*********

P.S. LOTS OF STRAIGHT PEOPLE HAVE STD'S AS WELL SO BE CAREFUL WHEN SINNING AND HAVING PREMARITAL SEX........THEN AGAIN THAT IS AGAINST YOUR RELIGION SO I AM SURE YOU WONT BE DOING THAT.......RIGHT?????

miguel · TOP Guru

Caliche wrote:

Listen Miguel, it may diarea to you.. pero tu sabes muy bien que en nuestros paises la homosexualidad no es aceptada... i had a cousin who came out of the closet, trust me bro, he thanks God he didnt die that day.

My child ever turns gay, ni quiero pensar en las cosas que le pasarian a el o ella...

so you wish your cousin was exterminated?? for being gay?? do you think he really wants to be gay??????? your f_cking family for f_ck's sake getting gunned down? (according to what you wrote).. that's f_cking COLD man.. i wonder what GOD ALMIGHTY would say to that...

what happenned to love thy neighbour...

Caliche · TOP Guru

Listen Miguel, it may diarea to you.. pero tu sabes muy bien que en nuestros paises la homosexualidad no es aceptada... i had a cousin who came out of the closet, trust me bro, he thanks God he didnt die that day.

My child ever turns gay, ni quiero pensar en las cosas que le pasarian a el o ella...

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

Caliche wrote:

Sorry if wat im gonna say is offensive to some of y'all.... but im close minded to this topic. So take it for what it is, MY OPINION, agree or disagree, Im still right. Pinche Maricones. Algun dia todos veran que los maricones estos estan llenos de enfermedades and should be put down. Como Hitler y el Holocausto, deberian de exterminar a esta peste entre nuestra sociedad. What is it with these people? Dont they have enough "rights" as it is being human that now they want to make laws involving their sexual prefernces? These type of people are infested with diseases. Does anyone aside from me think that these people should be kept in solitary confinement? If it was up to me, i'd exterminate these people by the masses. I wish one day someone will snap and pull a massacre at one of these parades in the downtown core..... Think of your children's future being taught by some sexually perverted teacher, do you want someone with no morals giving your children an education? Would you want someone with these sexual diseases interacting with your children? Personally, i believe that marriage was made as a union between a man and a woman, like God Almighty intended it to be. Its how things should be done. I hope one day people will see the way i see and understand that these people should not be allowed to live. MY 2 CENTS...DONT DROP THE CHANGE.

I bit Harsh with the words, but you couldn't say it any more clearly.

I'm with you to a certain extent.

miguel · TOP Guru

Caliche wrote:

Sorry if wat im gonna say is offensive to some of y'all.... but im close minded to this topic. So take it for what it is, MY OPINION, agree or disagree, Im still right.

Pinche Maricones. Algun dia todos veran que los maricones estos estan llenos de enfermedades and should be put down. Como Hitler y el Holocausto, deberian de exterminar a esta peste entre nuestra sociedad. What is it with these people? Dont they have enough "rights" as it is being human that now they want to make laws involving their sexual prefernces? These type of people are infested with diseases. Does anyone aside from me think that these people should be kept in solitary confinement? If it was up to me, i'd exterminate these people by the masses. I wish one day someone will snap and pull a massacre at one of these parades in the downtown core..... Think of your children's future being taught by some sexually perverted teacher, do you want someone with no morals giving your children an education? Would you want someone with these sexual diseases interacting with your children? Personally, i believe that marriage was made as a union between a man and a woman, like God Almighty intended it to be. Its how things should be done. I hope one day people will see the way i see and understand that these people should not be allowed to live.

MY 2 CENTS...DONT DROP THE CHANGE.

damn dude, this is highly offensive. i haven't actually seen this much verbal diarrhea in a long time.. let's hope your child never turns out to be gay, i'd be scared about what you would do to him/her..

-- Edited by miguel at 18:01, 2005-07-02

Caliche · TOP Guru

Sorry if wat im gonna say is offensive to some of y'all.... but im close minded to this topic. So take it for what it is, MY OPINION, agree or disagree, Im still right.

Pinche Maricones. Algun dia todos veran que los maricones estos estan llenos de enfermedades and should be put down. Como Hitler y el Holocausto, deberian de exterminar a esta peste entre nuestra sociedad. What is it with these people? Dont they have enough "rights" as it is being human that now they want to make laws involving their sexual prefernces? These type of people are infested with diseases. Does anyone aside from me think that these people should be kept in solitary confinement? If it was up to me, i'd exterminate these people by the masses. I wish one day someone will snap and pull a massacre at one of these parades in the downtown core..... Think of your children's future being taught by some sexually perverted teacher, do you want someone with no morals giving your children an education? Would you want someone with these sexual diseases interacting with your children? Personally, i believe that marriage was made as a union between a man and a woman, like God Almighty intended it to be. Its how things should be done. I hope one day people will see the way i see and understand that these people should not be allowed to live.

MY 2 CENTS...DONT DROP THE CHANGE.

Date: Jul 2 2:34 PM, 2005

I have absolutely nothing against gay people, but marriage? I'm absolutely against. I'm very open minded and definately laws are created as they are needed, marriage was created for a man and a woman to pro-create, gay people cannot do that, I understand they're legal rights in regards to the other partners properties but that can be done with a will. I hate to make this observation but lots of gay people have the tendency to prostitute themselves they will go to bed with just about anyone. I think that there are certain issues that must be limited and cannot be accepted. being open minded does not mean having to accept EVERYTHING but perhaps think on the consequences, next thing we will face is having to accept many other unthinkable things that can affect the human race as it is already.

My main concern really is the fact that most, not all, or maybe many (all the ones I've met) gay people have little or no moral respect for themselves, like I mentioned before they tend to prostitute themselves, therefore what type moral standards can they pass on to "their children" who are not really their children, remember also most children tend to be abused by step parents (not all), which every gay couple will be, at least one.

I don't mean to offend anyone with my opinion but the human races mentallity is already f----- up why f----- it up even more?

Every family has rules in their homes and there should be a certain amount of flexibility but there has to be limits.

how many gay people have you met that has been with the same partner for a very long period of time? this is what makes the difference between having a true solid realtionship for family purposes, and having every Tom Dick and Harry bang them when they meet them.

Like I said before don't get me wrong but with these statistics how confortable will you feel allowing your children to go visit their little friend whose parents are gay?.... I know straigth people also are a danger, but my point is in relation to their tendencies. (to prostitute themselves).

Believe me I know stories of gay people that have not been very good to children and youth they convince them with money or material stuff. (not all but many)