What if we threw out all the illegal immigrants?

DannyC · Guru

RE: What if we threw out all the illegal immigrants?

PlayDead · Guru

I see Dannyboy is back

Dogo · Comandante

confundida wrote:

@dogo

u wouldnt want that there would b alot of ppl blocking u...i would b the 1st one...

... and you wouldn't want a "kick your ass" function. I'd be using it on you first

Di.ck boy: Blow me

Chilenita · Comandante

Chuck wrote:

some got luckier that others.
i was joking.

but the truth is, we all come from the same roots. it runs through your vains. and what brings us together is the motivation to succeed in a foreign country. Some did, some didn't and while others are still trying to pursue it. there is no crime in that.
Being legal or illegal doesn't and won't stop you from your dreams (the american dream)

on that first part about luck.....trust me it's not luck really....there can't be anything worse than being forced to leave the country you love, your family and everything behind because you HAVE to. With my parents it wasn't "I want antoher life" it was life or death.

I agree with you to a certian extent but we all know the "American dream" is a load of crap. The CANADIAN dream...now that's more like it.

no way!
i was kidding.lol
yes it is crap. but you all know what i meant by that.

I can't imagine how sad it must be to leave your country for those reasons. In the end, like i said, once you step on canadian soil, you hope for a better life. Just like any other legal or illegal. weather you are indian, russian, mexican, or chinese. Changes are you're gonna end up joining this forum anyway.
lol

HA HA that was a total blankstare

moment. I know sad...but very true cry

Anyway I think we are on the same page on this subject. The lack of compassion is just well.............silly. There that's a nice way to put it.

confundida · Foro Master

@dogo

u wouldnt want that there would b alot of ppl blocking u...i would b the 1st one...

DannyC · Guru

Dogo wrote:

Chuck wrote:

is there a way to BLOCK that pop up?, that picture under dannyc.

Yes. Go to "edit profile" then "settings" then choose "no" for "show signatures"
Unfortunatelly we can't block members yet. That would be bonus

Id block your a$$ without no hesitation :P

Dogo · Comandante

Chuck wrote:

is there a way to BLOCK that pop up?, that picture under dannyc.

Yes. Go to "edit profile" then "settings" then choose "no" for "show signatures"
Unfortunatelly we can't block members yet. That would be bonus

DannyC · Guru

Chuck wrote:

is there a way to BLOCK that pop up?, that picture under dannyc.

na that avatar looks too good.... biggrin is there a way of getting rid of your a$$? chucha este hijue ...ya me cayo mal jajaja

DannyC · Guru

confundida wrote:

sori ah that was chuck....and chilenita...

But for u a solid community?? really?? but if the Ecuadorian community was so solid why dont they have there little area?? like other nationatiles do??

Yes maybe most of you didnt have to face some of the struggles that we faced upon arrival to this country but how much have you acocmplished comparing to the rest of us that came here without papers??

as a community lots of things just do a search on the front page of this site

heres an example

www.youtube.com/watch?v=38J2wdpJM-U&feature=related

www.ccec.on.ca/ - 16k

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0004545 <<<<READ THAT

chilenos have also done a big part for the record just to show that i aint biased biggrin

Chuck · Guru

is there a way to BLOCK that pop up?, that picture under dannyc.

DannyC · Guru

confundida wrote:

are u pretending to b a cat??

more like a huevon if you ask me

-- Edited by DannyC at 16:13, 2008-07-10

confundida · Foro Master

sori ah that was chuck....and chilenita...

But for u a solid community?? really?? but if the Ecuadorian community was so solid why dont they have there little area?? like other nationatiles do??

Yes maybe most of you didnt have to face some of the struggles that we faced upon arrival to this country but how much have you acocmplished comparing to the rest of us that came here without papers??

DannyC · Guru

confundida wrote:

@pic boi

really the "american dream" a load of crap??

personally i dont think so....

If you dont have a job the goverment takes care of you....does that happen in ecua?

Crime rate is not as high as back home....does that happen in ecua??

Technically speaking we live ina democratic world....does tha thappen in ecua??

Every dollar that is yours is yours....does that happen in ecua??

We live in a first world country.....what Ecua??

oye de que hablas? my point was that you rarely see ecuadorians in this city get tangled with immigration related issues...the majority of us have been here for soo long and we are pretty much established here is a solid community...we rarely face any of the issues that alot of other latinos go through

confundida · Foro Master

@chuck

what with the hiss hiss?? are u pretending to b a cat??

Chuck · Guru

Hiss, Hiss, hiss.

confundida · Foro Master

@pic boi

really the "american dream" a load of crap??

personally i dont think so....

If you dont have a job the goverment takes care of you....does that happen in ecua?

Crime rate is not as high as back home....does that happen in ecua??

Technically speaking we live ina democratic world....does tha thappen in ecua??

Every dollar that is yours is yours....does that happen in ecua??

We live in a first world country.....what Ecua??

DannyC · Guru

Chuck wrote:

DannyC wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - My parents had papers here (visa) from when Ecuas first immigrated to Canada. They've been here like something crazy of 35 + yrs. They appiled in Ecaudor while living there, Canada had open doors to immigrantes & was accepting applications, so they appilied & got it (simple). This was waaaaayyyyyyy before there were this much of immigrantes (latin)here.

u said it yourself u will hardly ever see ecuas in canada getting involved in immigration issues.....truth is the majority of us and our parents have been here for many many many years my fam like yours have been here for 25 years or more....we are one of the first long time settled latin communities in Toronto ......in fact let me rephrase that we are the pioneers of the latin community in toronto we came here in big big numbers that not even the chilenos and argies came close too i mean honestly what other latin community here does and can do what we do? we have the senority to ask our city hall to set up ecuavolley saturdays at any park that we desire in the GTA haha we can throw jams at night with music dj's and lots of booze without knowing saying ****! i luv our privileges

ok, so im totally confused with anything HE says.

No its just you biggrin

you cant relate what i said cuz its an ecuadorian thing so move along

Chuck · Guru

DannyC wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - My parents had papers here (visa) from when Ecuas first immigrated to Canada. They've been here like something crazy of 35 + yrs. They appiled in Ecaudor while living there, Canada had open doors to immigrantes & was accepting applications, so they appilied & got it (simple). This was waaaaayyyyyyy before there were this much of immigrantes (latin)here.

u said it yourself u will hardly ever see ecuas in canada getting involved in immigration issues.....truth is the majority of us and our parents have been here for many many many years my fam like yours have been here for 25 years or more....we are one of the first long time settled latin communities in Toronto ......in fact let me rephrase that we are the pioneers of the latin community in toronto we came here in big big numbers that not even the chilenos and argies came close too i mean honestly what other latin community here does and can do what we do? we have the senority to ask our city hall to set up ecuavolley saturdays at any park that we desire in the GTA haha we can throw jams at night with music dj's and lots of booze without knowing saying ****! i luv our privileges

ok, so im totally confused with anything HE says. hmm

DannyC · Guru

Chuck wrote:

Do you see my point HERE guys.

crystal fu cking clear

makes me wander, the wrong ones are getting deported back to their towns.

lol hey f!ck head idea

i was born here and lived in ecuador for many years half here half there i got the duo citizenship

confundida · Foro Master

how many times do we argue about this? personally it took over 15 yrs for the caandian laws to smarten up and stop opening the door to every tom dick and harry....

As for the States go, they are too scared to take a stand agaisnt illegals there too many of them (i bet you if they really did a a head count there will be more than 12 million lurcking about)

Chuck · Guru

some got luckier that others.
i was joking.

but the truth is, we all come from the same roots. it runs through your vains. and what brings us together is the motivation to succeed in a foreign country. Some did, some didn't and while others are still trying to pursue it. there is no crime in that.
Being legal or illegal doesn't and won't stop you from your dreams (the american dream)

on that first part about luck.....trust me it's not luck really....there can't be anything worse than being forced to leave the country you love, your family and everything behind because you HAVE to. With my parents it wasn't "I want antoher life" it was life or death.

I agree with you to a certian extent but we all know the "American dream" is a load of crap. The CANADIAN dream...now that's more like it.

no way!
i was kidding.lol
yes it is crap. but you all know what i meant by that.

I can't imagine how sad it must be to leave your country for those reasons. In the end, like i said, once you step on canadian soil, you hope for a better life. Just like any other legal or illegal. weather you are indian, russian, mexican, or chinese. Changes are you're gonna end up joining this forum anyway.
lol

Chilenita · Comandante

Chuck wrote:

Do you see my point HERE guys.

crystal fu cking clear

makes me wander, the wrong ones are getting deported back to their towns.

DannyC · Guru

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - My parents had papers here (visa) from when Ecuas first immigrated to Canada. They've been here like something crazy of 35 + yrs. They appiled in Ecaudor while living there, Canada had open doors to immigrantes & was accepting applications, so they appilied & got it (simple). This was waaaaayyyyyyy before there were this much of immigrantes (latin)here.

u said it yourself u will hardly ever see ecuas in canada getting involved in immigration issues.....truth is the majority of us and our parents have been here for many many many years my fam like yours have been here for 25 years or more....we are one of the first long time settled latin communities in Toronto biggrin

......in fact let me rephrase that we are the pioneers of the latin community in toronto we came here in big big numbers that not even the chilenos and argies came close too biggrin

i mean honestly what other latin community here does and can do what we do? we have the senority to ask our city hall to set up ecuavolley saturdays at any park that we desire in the GTA haha

we can throw jams at night with music dj's and lots of booze without no one saying ****!

i luv our privileges biggrin

-- Edited by DannyC at 15:49, 2008-07-10

Chilenita · Comandante

Chuck wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - My parents had papers here (visa) from when Ecuas first immigrated to Canada. They've been here like something crazy of 35 + yrs. They appiled in Ecaudor while living there, Canada had open doors to immigrantes & was accepting applications, so they appilied & got it (simple). This was waaaaayyyyyyy before there were this much of immigrantes (latin)here.

Okay so they came here because they were obviously in some sort of need I assume...needed or wanted a better life. Must be something like that or they would still be in Ecuador. I guess what some (especially Genie -lol) might have a hard time understanding is why you have no compassion for people in the same type of situation. How can you be so sure that if immigration was NOT so open back then that they would not have chosen the illegal route. Your inability to relate to others with your same roots is what I find strange. The attitude that "we were lucky and fu ck those who are not" is sort of...well...cold hearted to put it mildly.

Get where I am coming from?

My parents came here papers in hand....plane ticket paid for by the goverment and money upon arrival due to a horrible situation back home. I was born here and they have been here forever but that does not make me look at others who didnt have the same easy way in and say "ahhhh to hell with them ship them back" ..................

some got luckier that others.
i was joking.

but the truth is, we all come from the same roots. it runs through your vains. and what brings us together is the motivation to succeed in a foreign country. Some did, some didn't and while others are still trying to pursue it. there is no crime in that.
Being legal or illegal doesn't and won't stop you from your dreams (the american dream)

on that first part about luck.....trust me it's not luck really....there can't be anything worse than being forced to leave the country you love, your family and everything behind because you HAVE to. With my parents it wasn't "I want antoher life" it was life or death.

I agree with you to a certian extent but we all know the "American dream" is a load of crap. The CANADIAN dream...now that's more like it.

Chuck · Guru

Do you see my point HERE guys.

crystal fu cking clear

makes me wander, the wrong ones are getting deported back to their towns.
hmm

Chilenita · Comandante

Chuck wrote:

DannyC wrote:

Chuck wrote:

i find them more down to earh than those born here (or the legal ones)

down to earth cause they still have the fresh off the boat mentality that they brough from back home....they value every little bit that canada offers...but give them a few years and they will become like the next typical stuck up taking everything for granted spanlgish speaking person in canada

i was born here but thank god that my fam brough my ass to ecuador for many years.....u see things different after

only thing i cant stand at times about fobby spics are that they r too reserved and nerdy :rolf: like those mexican students u see downtown lol

Do you see my point HERE guys.

crystal fu cking clear

blankstare

Chuck · Guru

Chilenita wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - My parents had papers here (visa) from when Ecuas first immigrated to Canada. They've been here like something crazy of 35 + yrs. They appiled in Ecaudor while living there, Canada had open doors to immigrantes & was accepting applications, so they appilied & got it (simple). This was waaaaayyyyyyy before there were this much of immigrantes (latin)here.

Okay so they came here because they were obviously in some sort of need I assume...needed or wanted a better life. Must be something like that or they would still be in Ecuador. I guess what some (especially Genie -lol) might have a hard time understanding is why you have no compassion for people in the same type of situation. How can you be so sure that if immigration was NOT so open back then that they would not have chosen the illegal route. Your inability to relate to others with your same roots is what I find strange. The attitude that "we were lucky and fu ck those who are not" is sort of...well...cold hearted to put it mildly.

Get where I am coming from?

My parents came here papers in hand....plane ticket paid for by the goverment and money upon arrival due to a horrible situation back home. I was born here and they have been here forever but that does not make me look at others who didnt have the same easy way in and say "ahhhh to hell with them ship them back" ..................

some got luckier that others. biggrin

i was joking.

but the truth is, we all come from the same roots. it runs through your vains. and what brings us together is the motivation to succeed in a foreign country. Some did, some didn't and while others are still trying to pursue it. there is no crime in that.
Being legal or illegal doesn't and won't stop you from your dreams (the american dream)

Chuck · Guru

DannyC wrote:

Chuck wrote:

i find them more down to earh than those born here (or the legal ones)

down to earth cause they still have the fresh off the boat mentality that they brough from back home....they value every little bit that canada offers...but give them a few years and they will become like the next typical stuck up taking everything for granted spanlgish speaking person in canada

i was born here but thank god that my fam brough my ass to ecuador for many years.....u see things different after

only thing i cant stand at times about fobby spics are that they r too reserved and nerdy :rolf: like those mexican students u see downtown lol

Do you see my point HERE guys. hmm

DannyC · Guru

Chuck wrote:

i find them more down to earh than those born here (or the legal ones)

down to earth cause they still have the fresh off the boat mentality that they brough from back home....they value every little bit that canada offers...but give them a few years and they will become like the next typical stuck up taking everything for granted spanlgish speaking person in canada biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

i was born here but thank god that my fam brough my ass to ecuador for many years.....u see things different after

only thing i cant stand at times about fobby spics are that they r too reserved and nerdy :rolf: like those mexican students u see downtown lol biggrin

Chilenita · Comandante

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - My parents had papers here (visa) from when Ecuas first immigrated to Canada. They've been here like something crazy of 35 + yrs. They appiled in Ecaudor while living there, Canada had open doors to immigrantes & was accepting applications, so they appilied & got it (simple). This was waaaaayyyyyyy before there were this much of immigrantes (latin)here.

Okay so they came here because they were obviously in some sort of need I assume...needed or wanted a better life. Must be something like that or they would still be in Ecuador. I guess what some (especially Genie -lol) might have a hard time understanding is why you have no compassion for people in the same type of situation. How can you be so sure that if immigration was NOT so open back then that they would not have chosen the illegal route. Your inability to relate to others with your same roots is what I find strange. The attitude that "we were lucky and fu ck those who are not" is sort of...well...cold hearted to put it mildly.

Get where I am coming from?

My parents came here papers in hand....plane ticket paid for by the goverment and money upon arrival due to a horrible situation back home. I was born here and they have been here forever but that does not make me look at others who didnt have the same easy way in and say "ahhhh to hell with them ship them back" ..................

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

@ Chilenita - My parents had papers here (visa) from when Ecuas first immigrated to Canada. They've been here like something crazy of 35 + yrs. They appiled in Ecaudor while living there, Canada had open doors to immigrantes & was accepting applications, so they appilied & got it (simple). This was waaaaayyyyyyy before there were this much of immigrantes (latin)here.

God · Foro Master

Chuck wrote:

hiss, hiss.

hahahaha

Chilenita · Comandante

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Duro - Well my parents came to Canada with full papers, not illegal.

@ Genie - It's all fine & cool how u think & feel towards me, but it's not about educating urself, it doesn;t make a diffrence. I never said illegal ppl are unecessary, bad ppl. or criminal, etc, I said I personally don't agree with it, don't care how hard they work or wat they go thru, things gotta be doen rite. I can GARANTEEEEEEE U TONS of others feel like me, no diffrent then some feel like u. It's opinions, it will allways be divided.

I guess at the end of the day ur rite I got everything easy handed to me & my parents never been thru illegal status so I DON'T really know by experince how it is. I'm defenilty NOT taking away the efforts of illegal immigrantes but either way I think things should be done rite from the beginning & that's that.

Not to even go to Far X didn't have papers when he first got here or the states, so WAT, he had to get them & he went thru the hard times (Iguess, I think) STILL won't change my opinion.

@ Dogo -

Princessa can I ask how your parents got papers BEFORE coming to Canada?

Chuck · Guru

hiss, hiss.

don_plyero · Guru

HOLD UP !! HOLD UP

i agree with princessa .... my grandfather came here years ago to bring my mom and the whole family so they can have a better life but they did it the right way....

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

@ Duro - Well my parents came to Canada with full papers, not illegal.

@ Genie - It's all fine & cool how u think & feel towards me, but it's not about educating urself, it doesn;t make a diffrence. I never said illegal ppl are unecessary, bad ppl. or criminal, etc, I said I personally don't agree with it, don't care how hard they work or wat they go thru, things gotta be doen rite. I can GARANTEEEEEEE U TONS of others feel like me, no diffrent then some feel like u. It's opinions, it will allways be divided.

I guess at the end of the day ur rite I got everything easy handed to me & my parents never been thru illegal status so I DON'T really know by experince how it is. I'm defenilty NOT taking away the efforts of illegal immigrantes but either way I think things should be done rite from the beginning & that's that.

Not to even go to Far X didn't have papers when he first got here or the states, so WAT, he had to get them & he went thru the hard times (Iguess, I think) STILL won't change my opinion.

@ Dogo -

GENIE · Foro Master

El Duro wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

I think they should get rid of all Illegal Immigrantes.

I personally would never give an illegal person a job.

and how do u think our parent got there start

@Duro - Exactly!!!

At the other comment honestly its not arguring with you and how you said its your opinion i respect that but can i just state that you have a very narrow minded way of thinking!! Who do you think builds half the homes here in Ontario? Hell in Canada? Do you honestly think that all legal immirgrants want to work minimum wage? God princessa i hope that you never go thur the needs that an illegal person has to go thru! and if you think that ppl come here and apply for there residence and its just handed to them your so f-en wrong you need to get out there and read a book!! YOU SHOULD EDUCATE YOURSELF! and you may have came to canada and had shiat handed to you but man if you knew what some of our parents had to go thru you may have some kind of respect for ppl!!

I for one can officially say that i have lost all sense of respect for someone like you!

Dogo · Comandante

If we got rid of all illegal immigrants.... this foro would be even slower

El Duro · Foro Master

PRINCESSA wrote:

I think they should get rid of all Illegal Immigrantes.

I personally would never give an illegal person a job.

and how do u think our parent got there start

LGigolo · Comandante

God wrote:
You don't se Jose from Mexico asking money para una tacos
O manuel de Salvador asking money for pupusas...

I agree with God and X: We need illegal alliens.

Like I've said in a different thread: Many of us came from parents or grandparents who immigrated here, many illegally. Most of us know someone or are even related/close friends with someone who came illegally and most illegal people come with good purposes/goals for a better life.

I am still illegal and I need to stay here - Canada very gud tu mi! hmm

God · Foro Master

Chuck wrote:

i find them more down to earh than those born here (or the legal ones)

You nailed it !....Look in the US the second generation Latinos....the ones from Illegal parents..they are the worst !

-- Edited by God at 14:23, 2008-07-09

-- Edited by God at 14:32, 2008-07-09

Chuck · Guru

i find them more down to earh than those born here (or the legal ones)

God · Foro Master

Any country needs Illegal immigrants...face it...like or not

The opposite of Legal immigrants they won't go to wellfare...I rather to have 10 Ilegal immigrants working their arse off than 3 Legal ones in wellfare..Which one cost you more as tax Payer ?

Some specific industries such Construction is based in Illegal Immigrants most of them Italian, Portugese, eastern eurpean, etc, etc....do you think the honkies are going to do that job ...no...Plus Illegal immigrants are cheaper and better for that kind of companies...no taxes, no sick days , no holidays...you know..

Normally (most of them) illegal immigrats are looking for better opportunities and they are willing to do anything for getting some money in their pockets.

If you look downton all the panhndlers what are they....whithey ! they are legal, they have medicare, and they have perfect english...

You don't se Jose from Mexico asking money para una tacos
O manuel de Salvador asking money for pupusas...

Normally Ilegal Immigrants become part of the sub economy.

latina4evrgp · Guru

Chuck wrote:

Overnight, some industries would become desperate for workers. The biggest beneficiaries would be low-skilled American workers. The big losers might surprise you.
At least 12 million illegal immigrants live in the U.S. Most pick crops, wash dishes, build houses, cut lawns and do other jobs for between $6 and $15 an hour. They make up about 5% of the total U.S. work force. But
What if we threw them all out?
Thousands of farmers and builders would go bust. Predator aircraft drones would prowl the Mexican border. And chunks of Los Angeles and Houston would look like ghost towns.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/RaiseKids/WhatIfWeThrewOutAllTheIllegalImmigrants.aspx

so what if, What if.

Live isn't fair!

Illegal immigrants make up an important part of our society. They do jobs that normally other do not want and they have their share of hardships!

I think if they have a good record and have stayed out of trouble...why not give them status!

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

Cus i think that it's unfair (to those who go thru the full process, pay, get denied & keep trying, etc) & illegal, plus if it's my company i don't need this kinda crap, when I can hire probably with the same low pay ppl with papers & willing to work.

Why arguments - it's my opinion & don't care if other disagree.

Chuck · Guru

i like this paragraph:

The biggest losers would be middle-class families with two working parents, living in high-immigrant states such as California, Texas, Florida or New York. Why? They would pay more for food, housing, entertainment and child care as a shortage of low-skilled workers drove up some wages, and therefore, some prices. Meantime, their own pay would remain the same. What's more, the ripple effect of thousands of businesses shrinking or closing for lack of staff might put one of the parents out of a job. Not to mention the garbage collection going to pot and no one to polish the missus' nails.

The winners, for a change, would be the low-skilled unemployed, living just about anywhere -- if they were willing to move. Of the 12 million illegal immigrants, about 8 million are employed, mostly in low-skill jobs. The U.S., meantime, has about 22 million less-educated jobless adults, many of them blacks and legalized Hispanics, according to a 2008 report from the Center for Immigration Studies, a research group based in Washington, D.C.

Salsera de Corazon · TOP Guru

PRINCESSA wrote:

I think they should get rid of all Illegal Immigrantes.

I personally would never give an illegal person a job.

may I ask why? hmm

Chuck · Guru

i can sense an arguement,

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

I think they should get rid of all Illegal Immigrantes.

I personally would never give an illegal person a job.

Chuck · Guru

never mind. North america is currently getting rid off all the legal ones anyway.