BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!

pedro · Senior Member

RE: BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!

Chilenita · Comandante

miguel wrote:

if by experience you mean riding on her husband's coat tails and selling out to corporate lobbyists, then yes, i agree with you

sad but true cry

miguel · TOP Guru

Baina wrote:

@ Miguel - What did you think of Bill Clinton as the President?!?!?

i think he did a lot of good for the country... the sex scandal notwithstanding which i don't think has much to do with his capacity to govern.

the three reasons that i think hillary should not be president (and may not be, even if she becomes the nominee):

- i don't believe in dynasties, i didn't like bush jr coming in, and i don't think that robohill should come in for the same reasons. 28 years of two families? what is this, a monarchy?????

- the way that bill clinton has been acting lately - he has been downright dirty in attacking obama. he's a frigging former president for god's sake, have some class.

- hillary clinton is a polarizing figure, while obama might be able to sway some independents and some republicans over, if there's one thing that will end up uniting the republicans (who are divided right now) is the one thing they ALL have in common - their hate for the clintons!!!!!!!!!!!!

i guarantee you that when mccain gets the nomination, all the republicans will end up uniting against her. as much as some may not like mccain, nothing will get them going more than the prospect of Slick Willy and robohill back in the white house.

the only concrete shot at the white house that the democratic party has is Obama, who can sway some independents and republicans. McCain vs Hillary - can you see it now? maverick war hero vs. most polarizing woman in america...

and then, mccain will be president.

Baina · Guru

@ Miguel - What did you think of Bill Clinton as the President?!?!?

miguel · TOP Guru

if by experience you mean riding on her husband's coat tails and selling out to corporate lobbyists, then yes, i agree with you biggrin

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

Well Miguey I will disagree with u in this one, cus I'm a go, go for Hilary.

I think either one will do good changes, in my opinion. I just think that hilary's insight is more real & I think with her experience & expertise she'll do good.

It takes a Clinto to clean up after a bush. LOL That was her quote. LOL Luv it!

miguel · TOP Guru

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Miguey - no se, but I still think Hilary will win!

great.. robohillary and slick willie, in the white house again..

4 years of bush
8 years of clinton
8 years of bush
8 years of clinton

28 years of the same people????

i really hope people come to their senses.

yes we can!

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

@ Miguey - no se, but I still think Hilary will win!

miguel · TOP Guru

TV Buff wrote:

miguel wrote:

yes we can!!!!!!

Wow, music really IS powerful... that song makes me wanna move to the States, get my citizenship and vote for Obama...

it's not the song it's the speech!

he made that speech in new hampshire and will.i.am spliced the song together out of that speech. i watched that speech on TV and that's when i knew something special was happenning.

si se puede

El Duro · Foro Master

Obama Is doing well, but I think hilary will win the democratic nom

TV Buff · TOP Guru

miguel wrote:

yes we can!!!!!!

Wow, music really IS powerful... that song makes me wanna move to the States, get my citizenship and vote for Obama...

miguel · TOP Guru

yes we can!!!!!!

pedro · Senior Member

As long as the Republican gets out of office...the same applied to the Conservative party who are deeply influence by them. A lot of spending...our taxes goes to soldiers of war in afghanistan and Iraq leading into huge debt and recession (in the states). That how they are in politics...if don't take care of voting for your interest then the politicians will take care of you badly ...they see their interest first and big companies. ....Vote for the underdogs and not for an image paid by millions of $$$$$$$ into publicity.

God · Foro Master

IF Democrats are smart they can chage history, If hilary or Obama are not greedy and they dont want to eat the entire cake both of themare able to get rid of Republicans, only IF they team up.

Imagine a Black president with a Female Vicepresident or the other way around..Let's Face it, McCain is WAY but WAY stronger than either Barack or Clinton, John McCain.

The Chess moves already in place before Super tuesday, Giuliani & Edwards are out to create a stronger winner.

Democrats have the chanze to change history I just hope they don't get griddy, look this video..the dream ticket..is this a Hint ?

-- Edited by God at 10:01, 2008-02-01

confundida · Foro Master

sure there was bush jr had to finish wat daddy started.....

Chilenita · Comandante

confundida wrote:

yea they pull there troops wat happens to the rest of the countries that have there soldiers there?? like us......dont you think this would affect us as a nation??

(omg, im i sounding smart)

Who cares? Bottom line is Canadian troops should also get the hell out of there. They have no business being there either. They should have pulled out long ago. NOBODY has any business being there. There is no reason to be invading Iraq. There was never a reason.

confundida · Foro Master

yea they pull there troops wat happens to the rest of the countries that have there soldiers there?? like us......dont you think this would affect us as a nation??

(omg, im i sounding smart)

Chilenita · Comandante

confundida wrote:

sorry chili

do you know how much money it will cost to bring all of them home at one time?? how much of a surplus of employment will happen??

Who gives a sh it? They spent TONS AND TONS AND TONS of money invading Iraq to begin with. Who cares what it will cost them now. I sure as hell don't. They had no f uc k ing reason to be there killing people in the first place. So they can put their tails between their legs and get back the f uck off. They didn't expect the take over of Iraq to be as hard as it was. They didn't expect to loose so many of their own. They didn't expect the uprising and battle and they were NOT prepared for it. Too bad so fu cking sad. BOO freaking hoo.

confundida · Foro Master

sorry chili

do you know how much money it will cost to bring all of them home at one time?? how much of a surplus of employment will happen??

Chilenita · Comandante

confundida wrote:

i love wat hillary proposes to bring back ALL the troops back within 30 days....that was hilarious.....

to me personally the only reason why ppl support her cause her main concern is to bring the troops home.....

Well she is proposing to do much more than that. Her platform is pretty solid. She is focusing on the troops because it is important. I mean how long with the United States continue to kill innocent people and rip their country apart. The troops should get the hell out of there. There was no reason to be there in the first place and that is a MAJOR issue. Weapons of mass destruction my A S S!!! Ugh the things they get away with makes me sick to my stomach. bleh

So woo hoo to Hilary for that promise. Fix the mistake that d i c k head bush made. Well it can't be fixed since so many people have DIED but they should stop the madness asap.

confundida · Foro Master

i love wat hillary proposes to bring back ALL the troops back within 30 days....that was hilarious.....

to me personally the only reason why ppl support her cause her main concern is to bring the troops home.....

God · Foro Master

confundida wrote:

she was always more concerned about putting ppl in there place then running her own campaign......

She's a woman what do you expect. biggrin

confundida · Foro Master

i never liked hillary.... she was always more concerned about putting ppl in there place then running her own campaign......

i have seen a couple of her speeches and every couple of lines it would be Obama sd...or edwards said.....

to my hillary lacks in ALOT of areas.....to me personally she seems like the typical woman that goes of with a vengeance....

Chilenita · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

Chilenita wrote:
Anyway...whatcha think Buffy?

I used to love Hilary back in her "health care for all" days. You know before she started taking large amounts of money from the very same companies she used to bash. I still kind of like her. BAhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know. Not sure how much any U.S President will ever "change" anything.
Yeah, I used to loooooove Hillary, but now I like Hannah Montana better.

Yeah, I need to stop reading the Sun and start with the G&M... I haven't been following American politics much. In related news, though, did you know that more people vote for American Idol than for the american elections? FACT. No joke.

Okay we already went over this. I can't believe you read the sun. I told ya it's for lonley people looking for sex or people who want to buy a radio. I won't even line the birdcage with it. I don't want dummy birds - lol.

So the Americans not voting doesn't surprise me even a bit. If they can let a crazy terrorist like George Bush run the country for 2 full terms then NOTHING they do surprises me. Think about it...he can't even put a f u c k i n g sentance together for god's sake. He can't speak!!!!!!!!!!!!

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Chilenita wrote:
Anyway...whatcha think Buffy?

I used to love Hilary back in her "health care for all" days. You know before she started taking large amounts of money from the very same companies she used to bash. I still kind of like her. BAhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know. Not sure how much any U.S President will ever "change" anything.

Yeah, I used to loooooove Hillary, but now I like Hannah Montana better. ashamed

Yeah, I need to stop reading the Sun and start with the G&M... I haven't been following American politics much. In related news, though, did you know that more people vote for American Idol than for the american elections? FACT. No joke.

Chilenita · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

If experience is needed, can anyone essplain George W???

I think you need some. George bush is a f u c k i n g disaster!! So he is a horrible example all around. I was hoping he would have been killed a couple weeks back in the middle east but that didn't happen. cry

Anyway...whatcha think Buffy?

I used to love Hilary back in her "health care for all" days. You know before she started taking large amounts of money from the very same companies she used to bash. hmm I still kind of like her. BAhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know. Not sure how much any U.S President will ever "change" anything. hmm

TV Buff · TOP Guru

If experience is needed, can anyone essplain George W???

Chilenita · Comandante

God wrote:

You know what if you compare the experience of Hillary and Obama they're very similar, they don't have that much experience. For Hillary this senate is the first time she obtains a public position on her own, before she was in the white house for Bill...and before that she was a corporate Lawyer, I have to admint she was a very active first lady.

Obama very similar case Lawyer for the slums and now senator.

BUT I think it would be better to have Hillary because you get Bill Clinton back in the White House, Despite being a bit Honry this lad is a very good thinker, it was a very good president, he's very good connected all over the world and he would be right behind Hillary . It would be having like 2 president for the price of one.

Ohhhhhhhhhh I can't friggin decide who I like better. Check this out. I thought it was interesting.

One of Oprah Winfre's favorite people in the world, Maya Angelous has come out in support of Hillary.

The Clinton campaign is featuring the esteemed poet in a new radio commercial featuring her distinctive and captivating voice.

Says Angelou:

As a child, Hillary Clinton was taught that all Gods children are equal, so as a mother she understood that her child wasnt safe unless all children were safe.

I know what kind of president Hillary Clinton will be because I know who she is. Hillary Clinton has always been a strong woman and a passionate protector of families. For 35 years, thats exactly what she has been doing.

Each generation of African Americans stands on the shoulders of those who came before. Today, the challenges facing us threaten the dreams we have had for our children. We need a president with the experience and strength to meet those challenges.

I am inspired by Hillary Clintons commitment and courage a daughter, a wife, a mother my girl.

God · Foro Master

You know what if you compare the experience of Hillary and Obama they're very similar, they don't have that much experience. For Hillary this senate is the first time she obtains a public position on her own, before she was in the white house for Bill...and before that she was a corporate Lawyer, I have to admint she was a very active first lady.

Obama very similar case Lawyer for the slums and now senator.

BUT I think it would be better to have Hillary because you get Bill Clinton back in the White House, Despite being a bit Honry this lad is a very good thinker, it was a very good president, he's very good connected all over the world and he would be right behind Hillary . It would be having like 2 president for the price of one.

God · Foro Master

Barak Obama is an Excellent Speaker...BUT that's it he's only a good speaker he has no experience and don't get to hyper about IOWA remember that Iowa can pick corn but not a president. wink

I like the guy he's charismatic but he's a "lightweight".

AMansPath · Regular Plus

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cajadebola · Regular Plus

EEUU-ELECCIONES (análisis)

La batalla de Clinton contra Clinton

Paco G.Paz

Nashua (EE.UU.), 5 ene (EFE).- La batalla más dura que Hillary Clinton encara en Nuevo Hampshire no es sólo contra Barak Obama, su gran oponente, sino contra su imagen vinculada a Bill Clinton, que impide que difunda su mensaje de cambio.

Tras la derrota que sufrió en los caucus de Iowa, donde quedó tercera, Hillary ha aterrizado en Nuevo Hamsphire con el mismo discurso combativo, pero con un talante algo más optimista, positivo y relajado.

Consciente de que el voto independiente fue el que dio la victoria al senador de Illinois, en Nuevo Hampshire la senadora de Nueva York ha relajado su lenguaje y ha buscado audiencias algo más jóvenes, especialmente universitarias.

Obviamente, ha tenido que combatir la popularidad creciente de Obama y sin citarle directamente insiste en que ella es la que posee más experiencia para el cambio.

"Yo puedo ejercer como presidente desde el primer día", asegura en sus mítines en Nuevo Hampshire, poniendo de manifiesto su experiencia no sólo como senadora, sino también de los ocho años que pasó en la Casa Blanca junto a Bill Clinton.

"¿Pero esto es algo bueno?", se preguntaba un simpatizante que asistió a un acto demócrata multitudinario celebrado ayer en un estadio. "Lo dudo. La gente quiere un cambio. Basta ya de dinastías", agregó.

El Partido Demócrata convocó a 3.000 simpatizantes para recaudar fondos y, de paso, presentar a los candidatos demócratas. Estuvieron todos, salvo el ex senador John Edwards, que prefirió hacer campaña en otro municipio.

Barack Obama y Hillary Clinton fueron, sin duda, las figuras principales anoche. El primero porque fue recibido y ovacionado como una gran estrella de rock, hasta el punto de que los organizadores tuvieron que lanzar una advertencia de seguridad por megafonía.

Clinton destacó, de nuevo, por la controversia que genera. En muchos momentos del discurso fue vitoreada, pero en otros se oyeron abucheos por parte de los partidarios de Obama, que alzaron sus pancartas.

Acompañada por su esposo y su hija Chelsea, Hillary insistió en que lleva 35 años trabajando por el cambio, y que es la persona idónea para llevar a Estados Unidos a "un nuevo comienzo".

"Quiero restaurar el orgullo de esta nación y la posición que ocupa en el mundo. Quiero devolver a EE.UU. la confianza y el optimismo", dijo.

Si bien el contenido del discurso fue similar a los de Iowa, la ex primera dama mostró un talante algo más desenfadado. Se río en el estrado, lanzó algunas miradas cómplices a sus colaboradores y evitó en todo momento mencionar a sus contrincantes.

Sin embargo, la gran estrella de la noche fue Barack Obama, que tras su triunfo en Iowa cerró el acto demócrata con un discurso elocuente, cargado de simbolismo, esperanza y unidad.

"Somos un mismo pueblo, somos la misma gente. El momento del cambio ha llegado", dijo.

El recibimiento de Nuevo Hampshire revela que el senador puede dar sorpresas en las primarias del próximo martes, especialmente si, como hizo en Iowa, moviliza el voto joven e independiente.

De hecho, se calcula que en Nuevo Hampshire -un estado liberal donde, por ejemplo, las uniones homosexuales son legales- un 30 por ciento de los votantes se declara independiente y abierto a votar por aquel que ofrezca realmente una oportunidad para el cambio.

Tanto Barack Obama como Hillary Clinton defienden en sus mensajes que ellos son los agentes del cambio y que serán capaces de revertir los males de la era Bush, que acabarán con la guerra de Irak, que promoverán una cobertura de la asistencia médica para todas las personas en EE.UU. y que protegerán a la clase media y los trabajadores.

"Yo soy demócrata y veo que los dos son capaces de llevar el cambio a la Casa Blanca", asegura Lenora, una ama de casa de Nashua, en Nuevo Hampshire, que se confiesa todavía indecisa.

"No obstante -dice- cuando veo a Bill Clinton y a Madeleine Albright detrás de Hillary (como ocurrió en su intervención final en Iowa), me entran las dudas de si de verdad ella ofrece un cambio o un tercer mandato Clinton". EFE

don_plyero · Guru

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El Duro · Foro Master

to tell u the truth I saw this win coming.. iowa would have never voted for clinton.

i think she will win the race and will become the first women president in U.S.A history and obama will becaome the first black V-P in U.S.A history..

u know what it's funny that other counties like in pakistan, india, south america, canada has had or have women president, and the U.S.A bugging everyone for women right has never had one or one in the race?

cajadebola · Regular Plus

Did not surprise me at all. The media in Canada and in a lot of parts in the US is in love with the Clinton's therefore biased most of the time.

The result:People do not get the real picture.

In 2004, if you read the canadian papers you would think Bush did not have a chance and the guy won by more than four million votes.

Wishing and perception does not nesesary equals reality.

Those who have lived in the US and are not blind followers of one sigle person or party, know Hillary well. She is a very polarizing figure. Her suporters love her to death, as well as her husband's.
But she has the highest negatives of any candidate ever. It means that people who don't adore her, are totaly against her. That diminishes her chances with the "swing" and "independant" voters.

The american people are looking for change, and Hillary and her husband represent the stablishment.Through the years they have been involved in dozens of corruption scandals that never received coverage here in Canada.
They where in power for 8 years and did not end poverty neither got blacks out of the conditions they where before. She does not like to be critiziced and can come across as arrogant, cold and elitist. Her husband did not show much respect for women while in the oval office, so he can be a doble edge sword for her.
Barack at least seems genuine and was the only one among the candidates that voted against invading Irak.The guy does not flip flop on issues and even if they do not agree with him, you can tell where he stands.
The americans are ready for a Black and a female president, it just comes down to issues and the ability of the individual to communicate and inspire trust and hope.
So far Obama is the only one of the democrat candidates who seems to be doing it.
Besides all that , Hillary still has a pretty good chance.

Colombiana4Life · Foro Master

Baina wrote:

Honestly, I never thought Obama had a chance. Not for anything to do with his platform but solely on the colour of his skin. I seriously thought that (white) America was not ready for an African American to be in office.....MORE SO....than a female leader. I guess I was wrong.

If even a small percentage of African Americans turn out to vote....Obama wins!

I agree.

Baina · Guru

Honestly, I never thought Obama had a chance. Not for anything to do with his platform but solely on the colour of his skin. I seriously thought that (white) America was not ready for an African American to be in office.....MORE SO....than a female leader. I guess I was wrong.

If even a small percentage of African Americans turn out to vote....Obama wins!

Guadalupana · Foro Master

Chile- yeah i guess. But i was mostly trying to say that maybe americans aren't ready for a woman to lead.

Bah politics.

miguel · TOP Guru

Obama handily beat hillary on women voters, which she thought would go her way. Hillary's problem is not the fact that she is female, but that she is associated with the status quo. We'll see if she can get over that label in the next little while

Chilenita · Comandante

Guadalupana wrote:

My thoughts?
Well it's a nice change i guess, we'll see what good he can do.
BUT you can also see that the equality with women is not quite there yet.
Did they show what the final count was?

Bah, politics.

Back to CF.

Not sure it has to do with womens equality. Hillary has flip flopped on so many issues over the years. I think they are ready for a real change. They already did the Clinton thing.

Guadalupana · Foro Master

My thoughts?
Well it's a nice change i guess, we'll see what good he can do.
BUT you can also see that the equality with women is not quite there yet.
Did they show what the final count was?

Bah, politics.

Back to CF.

TV Buff · TOP Guru

miguel wrote:

what happenned last night was pretty amazing

a black man with an african born father just won a primary in iowa, the red midwest. no black person has ever been elected to _anything_ in iowa. historic moment, for sure.

his speech last night was pretty inspirational.. let's see if he can keep the momentum going

And here I was watching Epic Movie... I need to get me a subscription to TV Guide

Chilenita · Comandante

miguel wrote:

what happenned last night was pretty amazing

a black man with an african born father just won a primary in iowa, the red midwest. no black person has ever been elected to _anything_ in iowa. historic moment, for sure.

his speech last night was pretty inspirational.. let's see if he can keep the momentum going

His speech was great! I find over the last few months he has gotten much better at making speeches. Not that he was ever bad. He is obviously more confident and it shows. VERY exciting that is for sure!!

miguel · TOP Guru

what happenned last night was pretty amazing

a black man with an african born father just won a primary in iowa, the red midwest. no black person has ever been elected to _anything_ in iowa. historic moment, for sure.

his speech last night was pretty inspirational.. let's see if he can keep the momentum going

Chilenita · Comandante

Baina wrote:

I was completely shocked!!!

I thought Hilary had it.

Bill still has a huge following....so if he campaigns for her....it will help her out a lot. I hope she wins New Hampshire to make it a tighter race.

Who do you prefer...Hillary or Barack?

Baina · Guru

I was completely shocked!!!

I thought Hilary had it.

Bill still has a huge following....so if he campaigns for her....it will help her out a lot. I hope she wins New Hampshire to make it a tighter race.

Motown Junkie · TOP Guru

Hmmm......

Not really, except what's for lunch?!

Chilenita · Comandante

Obama's Iowa win shunts Clinton into third place

Barack Obama's victory in the overwhelmingly white state of Iowa could answer the question of whether America is ready to elect a black president. oters also seemed to reject the criticism that the first-term senator from Illinois lacked experience, wooed instead by his message of change.

He said: "Hope is the bedrock of this nation, the belief that our destiny will not be written for us but by us; by all these men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is; who have the courage to remake the world as it should be. That is what we started in Iowa and that is the message we can now carry to New Hampshire and beyond."

Polls of people entering the caucuses showed his words also resonated with many independent voters.

All of which added up to a bad night for Hillary Clinton, who has seen her position as Democratic front-runner falter.

But she can take comfort from the fact she did far better than husband and former president Bill Clinton in Iowa. In 1992's Iowa caucus he scored just 3.5 per cent of the Democrat vote.

Hillary Clinton said: "How will we win in November 2008? By nominating a candidate who will be able to go the distance, and who will be the best president on day one. I am ready for that contest."

She is ahead in opinion polls in New Hampshire, but to shore up her bid her husband Bill will begin campaigning for her in the New England state.

Any thoughts foro?