THE REAL REASON WHY THE LATIN SCENE IS NOT THE SAME..........

rick · Guru

RE: THE REAL REASON WHY THE LATIN SCENE IS NOT THE SAME..........

Danny_Cordova · Guru

Chilenita wrote:

@Danny when are you going to realize that 25 isn't that young? Seriously!! There is a HUGE difference between 19 year old crowd and a 25 year old crowd or at least there should be

haaaa maybe in ur eyes...
i can tell u dont go out much..look at the crowd at metro or privlige b4..the agees range from 10 to 28 even

Chilenita · Comandante

rick wrote:

miguel wrote:

in peru it's mostly about spanish rock and latin pop as well.

sorry man but I been to peru 8 times the last 3 years and it depends on where you go.. most people listen to reggaeton and salsa

Spanish rock is also listened but not as much as salsa or reggaeton

latin pop is mostly listen in rich areas ( clubs) . But it we are speaking of majority salsa and reggeaton are up there .

REALLY?????? That is so strange I know a lot of people from Peru that travel there all the time and are not rich and say that rock and pop is the most popular in fact most people that I know from Peru are not into salsa or reggaeton at all. weirdface

@Danny when are you going to realize that 25 isn't that young? Seriously!! There is a HUGE difference between 19 year old crowd and a 25 year old crowd or at least there should be weirdface

Danny_Cordova · Guru

don_plyero wrote:

and dress and LA style lol

which i call big time WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK...

-- Edited by Danny_Cordova at 22:26, 2007-08-08

don_plyero · Guru

yup rick your 100% right

before young latinos didnt want to even hear any latin music because it wasnt kool , it was all about hip hop and urban music. Now kids got a latin music to blast and be proud of

here in toronto the young kids dont have things 2 look up to, so thats why they follow hip hop and dress and LA style lol

Danny_Cordova · Guru

rick wrote:

4 years ago my brother was only into hip hop and rap but since reggaeton started growing in toronto he is now into reggaeton

lol alot of people have done that...us true fans call them bandwagon jumpers :) but its all good cause those young urban latinos have a genre they can relate too...and im all up for that

it was nice to see reggaeton growing in america..cuz for a fan like me who was into it since way way back...it felt very nice to hear other people talk and listen to it...

plus to see my favorite artists doing colabos with hiphop
artists is always

i remember when i started bumping reggaeton in the car years ago people would be like yoooo WTF is that? sounds good..others would say it sucked...lol

but anyhow i know the reggaeton scene in peru is hugggeee!!! from the clips ive seen and articles i read...its definetly doing it there..i know tego ivy arangel trebol clan zion y lennox don omar alexis y fido vico c..etc must have gone there a billion times already....

-- Edited by Danny_Cordova at 18:40, 2007-08-08

rick · Guru

You can not blame reggaeton. In any case reggaeton is helping these canadian - latino kids come back to their roots .. Since is cool to listen to reggaeton most canadian - latinos are slowly comming back to the latino music.

4 years ago my brother was only into hip hop and rap but since reggaeton started growing in toronto he is now into reggaeton and slowly learning to appretiate salsa , merengue ( although he still hates bachatas , cumbia , musica criolla)..

Before kids were a little embarresed of putting their salsa music in their cars because of the look they may get from other kids.. nowdays it is cool to listen reggaeton music blasting in the car.

rick · Guru

miguel wrote:

in peru it's mostly about spanish rock and latin pop as well.

sorry man but I been to peru 8 times the last 3 years and it depends on where you go.. most people listen to reggaeton and salsa

Spanish rock is also listened but not as much as salsa or reggaeton

latin pop is mostly listen in rich areas ( clubs) . But it we are speaking of majority salsa and reggeaton are up there .

Danny_Cordova · Guru

don_plyero wrote:

and you guys cant think about the old stuff that made clubbing so good, your times have passed and its time to think about the new kids coming up haaaaahaaa that should piss off the 25+ crowd here

if they like reggaeton then clubs play reggaeton!
u know something...at the toni reyes fest on sunday i passed by the lil section were they were playing reggaeton and i seen all the 19 and under crowd their in a big circle dancing..doing compeitions having fun overall

and u know something ur probably right...when they turn 19 they may take their music tastes to the scene and demand a change...

that will be hype for u guys..if they start doing more reggaeton jams clubs>>>but this time for a 19 and over crowd..

hopefully it happens.....since in my time as u can see they dont do any of that

don_plyero · Guru

1st its not reggaetons fault that our music scene is bad

the only reason its bad is cause everyone does that same S H I T over and over again without no change (thats what kills things)

i listen to everything

from salsa: (marc anthony, hector lavoe,fruko,machito etc....to even some jazz)

merengue: tono rosario, oro solido, sergio vargas etc...)

bachata: anthony santos, los torros band, aventura...etc)

cumbia: la sonora dinamita, pastor lopez,etc..)

rock: pink floyed, narvana etc...)

and of course my reggaeton: vico c, nando boom, el roockie,don omar etc..

i like all types of music and YES i do speak spanish to my family and friends but in this country if you dont know english then you can go far, i feel that the youth dont have people to look up to like the states...so that why they look up the gangster culture and try to act black

and you guys cant think about the old stuff that made clubbing so good, your times have passed and its time to think about the new kids coming up

if they like reggaeton then clubs play reggaeton!

Chilenita · Comandante

Danny_Cordova wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

I don't think people are seriously blaming reggaeton. I just think they think that the younger generations lack of taste in music
lack of taste?? lol....the younger generations still like salsa merengue bachata to the max!

Really do they? .....and I don't mean your age cuz really you aint that young. Do early 20's enjoy salsa and merengue? Do you think there will be all kinds of kids at the Gilberto concert for example?

Danny_Cordova · Guru

Chilenita wrote:

I don't think people are seriously blaming reggaeton. I just think they think that the younger generations lack of taste in music

lack of taste?? lol....the younger generations still like salsa merengue bachata to the max!

Chilenita · Comandante

I don't think people are seriously blaming reggaeton. I just think they think that the younger generations lack of taste in music MIGHT be a reason promoters think ticket sales for good concerts will be bad.

I don't know what it is I just know that back in the day there were good promoters puttng on great events.

Danny_Cordova · Guru

people people

stop blaming reggaeton for torontos wack latin scene

it aint even big here....

reggaeton in toronto=000000000000

miguel · TOP Guru

in peru it's mostly about spanish rock and latin pop as well.

Danny_Cordova · Guru

Chilenita wrote:

ROCK and POP (other pop not reggaeton) will always rule in Argentina and Chile.

Ecuador is almost the same

Danny_Cordova · Guru

latinsoulchild wrote:

Danny_Cordova wrote:

different enviroments hermano..
kids in europe really take education into consideration..for example learning different languages...

north american kids have a way different mentality..

my cusin in ecuador works for the ministry of tourism..she knows english frenck italian and spanish

I think you've just baptized yourself as a bonafied North American vato!..lol

ma bad i was on a rush for launch lol anyhow....

i cant relate to alot of young latinos born and raised here.....to be honest i speak spanish for the most part with my latino friends and fam.....living my teen years back home helped alot...

i sometimes feel like i have more in common with the cleaners from my work who r fresh of the boat from latin america..then with canadianized latinos blankstare

Chilenita · Comandante

latinsoulchild wrote:

Danny_Cordova wrote:

different enviroments hermano..
kids in europe really take education into consideration..for example learning different languages...

north american kids have a way different mentality..

my cusin in ecuador works for the ministry of tourism..she knows english frenck italian and spanish

I think you've just baptized yourself as a bonafied North American vato!..lol

I was born in Toronto but my taste in music would make people think I came fresh off the boat. I think that because I'm a musician, I take alot of the musicianship into consideration when listening to any genre. I've said it in the past that dance/reggaeton lack "musicianship"...because it's all based on loops, hooks...and all that copy and paste mumbo jumbo.

...and since we're on the topic of languages, I speak only spanish to my folks and even with my in-laws. My english came from school and stayed in school. But at home, it was only spanish.... but it's not like this has anything to do with the thread's topic..lol

-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 15:30, 2007-08-08

yeah in other words you have good taste in music. If you really appreciate the craft then you could not possibly like reggaeton.

Chile Jr doesn't understand any English so there is my contribution to her culture smile

Again nothing to do with this thread blankstare

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

@ LSC -

latinsoulchild · TOP Guru

Danny_Cordova wrote:

different enviroments hermano..
kids in europe really take education into consideration..for example learning different languages...

north american kids have a way different mentality..

my cusin in ecuador works for the ministry of tourism..she knows english frenck italian and spanish

I think you've just baptized yourself as a bonafied North American vato!..lol aww

I was born in Toronto but my taste in music would make people think I came fresh off the boat. I think that because I'm a musician, I take alot of the musicianship into consideration when listening to any genre. I've said it in the past that dance/reggaeton lack "musicianship"...because it's all based on loops, hooks...and all that copy and paste mumbo jumbo.

...and since we're on the topic of languages, I speak only spanish to my folks and even with my in-laws. My english came from school and stayed in school. But at home, it was only spanish.... but it's not like this has anything to do with the thread's topic..lol weirdface

-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 15:30, 2007-08-08

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

@ Miguey - I agree with u 100%.

@ chilenita - I agree with u too, its about ur parents takin the time to teach their kids.

Chilenita · Comandante

Danny_Cordova wrote:

bachata aint even all that in south america....go to argentina and see if they play that haaaaa

I spent months in Argentina not too long ago and some time in Chile. You are right about bachata but you do hear the odd song here and there. They play a short set of reggaeton in some clubs and people know Daddy Yankee and Don Omar but that's about it. ROCK and POP (other pop not reggaeton) will always rule in Argentina and Chile.

I have kept my Chilean culture no problem without ever having lived in Chile. It's about how your parents raise you.

Danny_Cordova · Guru

miguel wrote:

i have 3 little cousins that are half german and live in germany. if they can speak proper spanish in frigging germany with basically no latin people around, how hard could it be to keep your spanish in toronto???

different enviroments hermano..
kids in europe really take education into consideration..for example learning different languages...

north american kids have a way different mentality..

my cusin in ecuador works for the ministry of tourism..she knows english frenck italian and spanish

miguel · TOP Guru

i have 3 little cousins that are half german and live in germany. if they can speak proper spanish in frigging germany with basically no latin people around, how hard could it be to keep your spanish in toronto???

Danny_Cordova · Guru

el reggaeton nacio en puerto rico hermano spanish reggae in panama...both influences with jamaica.....

anyhow u got to remember that its hard to keep ur latino culture in this city...so all these young latinos have friends of different races and goto different places to party or hang out..

im glad i went to ecuador for a long time.....lord knows how ****ty my spanish would have been

rick · Guru

El Mismo wrote:

It's a new generation of hispanics now a days....before most of us had spanish as our first language and now a days its the opposite.

yea man ... I speak spanish all the time ( except for this foro) , but it kind of kills me when my brother speaks english on the table or to my parents .. come on dude you are spanish !!! .. I even asked my brother if he speaks spanish to his latino friends from high school .. answer is no !!! .. my brother doesn't even know if his latino friends speak spanish..

rick · Guru

I dont know if agree with you danny.. But reggaeton is more of a american type of music ( rap hip hop) except for a few artist ( tego ) , althought it combines some latin rythms I would not considered 100% latin. Salsa is the music the represents latinos and in clubs everytime salsa is plaedy you see young , older people dancing to it.

As per bachata.. I know that colombians and peruvians dont dance to bachata ( few exceptions maybe) ... In any case cumbia is the equal to bachata in SA

El Mismo · Guru

It's a new generation of hispanics now a days....before most of us had spanish as our first language and now a days its the opposite.

Danny_Cordova · Guru

FANTITO wrote:

Reggeaton killed the Salsa-Bachata star.
Salsa and Bachata and other real latino music used to be danced by people of all ages, and countries.
Even just seeing people dancing latin music other than Reggeaton was a pleasure, reggeaton reminds every one about Reggae which is not a latin rithm.

HAA you are way off buddy....

as far as reggaeton killing salsa and bachata here...not at all..salsa and the rest of all that crap..merenuge bachata etc...still dominates whats left of the latin scene here...its soo obvious...goto the latin clubs and see how much reggaeton new or old they play compared to the same ol salsa crap....

how many reggaeton concerts have we had here compared to salsa ones?....ya point proven...

so the reggaeton has nothing to do with killing the latin scene here...it aint even big enough....

the reggaeton emerged and made a huge impact in the latin music scene in other places such as the states central and south america..

reggaeton has everything it needs to be part of a latin genre....bachata merengue salsa..bomba plena all in one mixed with reggae and hiphop...
which is called evolution of music...

dont forget salsa being soooo "latin" has alot of its roots in africa...

i dont know were u r from man..when u said salsa bachata was danced by everyone of all ages and countries..

i can speak on behalf of ecua....alot of younger people dont like salsa or the typical cumbias...mostly the older people were always into that....
put on some rock en espanol ..or pop reggaeton...and see how they react..

bachata aint even all that in south america....go to argentina and see if they play that haaaaa

don_plyero · Guru

ricky> your 100% right, the gringos are the only ones supporting reggaeton

latinsoulchild · TOP Guru

FANTITO wrote:

Reggeaton killed the Salsa-Bachata star.
Salsa and Bachata and other real latino music used to be danced by people of all ages, and countries.
Even just seeing people dancing latin music other than Reggeaton was a pleasure, reggeaton reminds every one about Reggae which is not a latin rithm.

Well reggaeton is still a latin genre simply because its sung...or rather yelled in the spanish language.
Whatever was left of the latin music we used to dance to, the gringos are eating it up like crazy. (AND they pay better $$$ for it than any latino crowd!) Fact is a fact.... aww

FANTITO · Senior Member

Reggeaton killed the Salsa-Bachata star.
Salsa and Bachata and other real latino music used to be danced by people of all ages, and countries.
Even just seeing people dancing latin music other than Reggeaton was a pleasure, reggeaton reminds every one about Reggae which is not a latin rithm. blankstare

God · Foro Master

Danny_Cordova wrote:

don_plyero wrote:

METRO and all those latin events downtown are perfect for the young 19+ crowed

and with all honesty i myself feel that i would rather much fit in there then other places ..at least they play some mas o menos good hiphop and reggaeton..u know the stuff i like..

i cant do places like babalus or el rancho not my taste in music at all..

we are urban latinos playero while most latinos here grew up with salsa and all that ...we grew up with hiphop spanish reggae reggaeton (b4 it was even called reggaeton by the way) since we were 10 and 11..

we rock loco! lol;p

Brap Brap ! biggrin

Danny_Cordova · Guru

don_plyero wrote:

METRO and all those latin events downtown are perfect for the young 19+ crowed

and with all honesty i myself feel that i would rather much fit in there then other places ..at least they play some mas o menos good hiphop and reggaeton..u know the stuff i like..

i cant do places like babalus or el rancho not my taste in music at all..

we are urban latinos playero biggrin

while most latinos here grew up with salsa and all that ...we grew up with hiphop spanish reggae reggaeton (b4 it was even called reggaeton by the way) since we were 10 and 11..

we rock loco!

lol;p

don_plyero · Guru

its soso, depends on the crowed you want to be around

METRO and all those latin events downtown are perfect for the young 19+ crowed

Danny_Cordova · Guru

amen!

i think its time to pack r bags ..head down to the US for a weekend and party it up there...

anyone been to latin fever by the way? how is that on weekends now

don_plyero · Guru

i agree that the club/event scene is getting bad

but what i dont agree is that the young kids coming up to the 19+ events have to suffer, i feel that the events only will get better if we stop hating eachother

sabor> all the best of luck in costa rica// (oye hows the ticas there) lol biggrin

aka_taco · Guru

The Latin scene has changed...completely....due to different factors

the latin venues are - ugly - ghetto - ****ty - small

ALMOST every weekly latin event fails....numbers are between 100-250

which for a club owner and promoter is NADA !!

i personally believe in downtown venues like Metro ( notttttt weekly) Inside, Seven, Afterlife etc....

but more towards the one off (once a month) events...

at the same time....i feel that the latin community jsut hates on everyone...
look at the blacks and west indian ....you hardly see a concert that flops...

when tickets are even up to 60-70 per head !

Bigg acts came to Toronto.....lot of them failed....and failed

not to sound conceited or watever......but for what i hear and what i see

the only that has been doing good.....and it sort of went from being "OK" to be the HOT SPOT....is Body English on Thursday

there were 3 latin nights.....nowdays they either DIED or ARE ABOUT TO DIE

this doesnt mean Body is going to Last Forever,.....we doing 2 rooms combine an average of 900-1200 people every thursday...

you look at the other venues....weekly events....200 ? on a weekend!!

is there even a point.....for the owner and promoter to even keep the thing open??????? i highly doubt it....still dont know how they survive...

im sure theres a lot of reasons why the whole scene has changed....

could be venues, could be people, could be music and other things...

i would persoanlly say... its both the venues, as in the rooms, not the clubs....and / or the people, latinos hating other latinos....

Danny_Cordova · Guru

El Duro wrote:

@Danny

Bro I agree with u here.. the scene has gone to the sh i ter, and there is nothing we can do about it, what is shame is that my child ain't going to know all the fun i had and the scene that was it, i'm going to sound like a old man when I tell him this line... When i was teenager the scene was better.. but that is why i take him to the to all the festival to dance but i see that it's not the same which sucks as s

ya pana...i actually do feel sorry for los pelados that r going into the 19 and over scene ...theyre gonna have **** all places to party..if its already bad in my time imagine a few years from now

El Duro · Foro Master

@SN

bro do your thing where ever u got to do, i belive u have done enought for thelatin communites here in T.O, and if u want to expand that's up to u

El Duro · Foro Master

@Danny

Bro I agree with u here.. the scene has gone to the sh i ter, and there is nothing we can do about it, what is shame is that my child ain't going to know all the fun i had and the scene that was it, i'm going to sound like a old man when I tell him this line... When i was teenager the scene was better.. but that is why i take him to the to all the festival to dance but i see that it's not the same which sucks as s

Danny_Cordova · Guru

that sucks eddie...well nice to see ur doing good down there...

torontos latin scene is officialy ****

especially this year it went sooooo rock bottom...and look like it aint only me agreeing about it..

i hardly hit the same ol latin clubs anymore or go to the festivals ..ya me aburrio todo eso..every year its the same thing or it gets worse as time goes by...

i aint blaming the promoters cuz they r the ones pushing new venues ..which unfortunetly most of them flop big time...not cause of them...i believe its cause of the crowd...to much division...hate and envy...which kills it..

who the hell is going to want to bring someone like daddy yankee when the crowd aint willing to spend a few$$ for a good show?....haaaa...

just look at latin fest...every year that goes by it keeps getting worse..again no ones willing to pay $$$ to see some good artists come down...

I honestly dont think the difference in the latin scene has affected the rest of the world..nope not at all......the latin scene in cities such as NY miami etc.is by far always good and that will never change ..even montreal...they seem to always get the best concerts venues festivals...

but nope not in toronto lol!!.....its amazing to see how much were missing out....

anyhow as for me im slowly getting tired of the scene here already....

kinda glad i got into tourism ..cuz as of next year my ass is travelling somewhere else to different places....i need a different scene...

looks like nothing new is going to happen with the latin scene here....

only few of the sames clubs managed to stick around..plaza flamengo for example...and that aint even good anymore compared to back in the day

I wish the latin scene here was just as solid and organized as other communites such as the west indian culture...look at them...they are going to have a huge huge parade this sunday...must feel good to be them...

anyhow i spoke my mind relating to all this....

i know im going to most likely get a bunch of nasty comments swinging my way but hey!....yall know me by now...so GO F***YOURSELVES wink

..

im out

-- Edited by Danny_Cordova at 01:56, 2007-08-03

Daeveed · Foro Master

I feel the same way.

sabornuevo · Guru

Wow where to start about this..

To be honest yes the Latin scene is a lot different in Toronto and World wide then it was 10 years ago. The world wide change has affected the fragile scene in Toronto. NOW I dont know what some people are talking about but Latinos, always got into big fights so scratch that off the before they and now they dont list. Some of you people in here dont know the full story about the concerts before Sabor Nuevo and some of the new guys, Bet you didnt know that there was a ban from artists in Canada because of none payment. Latin artists have driven up there prices, people in the states, south, central America you can even say Montréal are willing to pay more but Toronto isnt. All the banquet halls dont care anymore...They dont want nothing to do with concerts so they drove up there prices soo high. Prices of the artist goes up, and the prices for venue goes up but the Toronto market wont pay more. Some will but not enough for the promoter to make money or make it worth his or her time. Someone said speaking of ****ty promoters where is Sabor Nuevo.. This is the main reason why I left Toronto. Why build my mega club in Toronto when someone is going to just slap the hell out of the hand that feeds you. Why bring a concert to Toronto when some people are just going ruin it by spreading rumors. Why do anything in Toronto when there is no appreciation for the people bringing you the shows and investing a lot more then 40 dollars and 6 hours of one night. Promoters put 30 or more grands on the line. Invest over 200 hours to promote and put together the events. Then come and blame us for things that are out of out hands. Sabor Nuevo is still promoting events in Toronto and we still have are hardcore followers. As far as me opening a club or concerts in Toronto, I would much rather do it here in Costa Rica , Where the majority of the people appreciate more what a good promoter can bring you. Like I said before there is still a lot of good clients in Toronto, its too bad they have to suffer because of others.