El Duro wrote:

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@pd

I won't go to the states I'm anti-American. Plus if I want a great party I'll go to mtl

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MTRl latin scene is dying a very awful death too.

well might as well jump down the border and go clubbing in NY

speaking about clubs and venues not being the same anymore...lets bring this back

latinsoulchild wrote:

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The Fan said it perfectly...

I've yet to see a promoter do anything the way Carlos Zapata and the Sabor Latino team used to do it..

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@ricky
carlos did some gr8t concerts i looked up to him..lets not forget myrna my dad and connie.. all great people! i took everything they did and am trying my best to be the best i can be in that field.
@fan
i called xaiver  a rookie..

Its like the patient telling the doctor what is wrong

latinsoulchild wrote:

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The Fan said it perfectly...

I've yet to see a promoter do anything the way Carlos Zapata and the Sabor Latino team used to do it..

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Whenever I get the chance I tell him that BELIEVE ME!!!!!  I tell him that he should come back into the scene.  He is older now and settled down and is focusing on his family so he is living a more quiet life plus he has a new little one.  He is done with promoting.  Hopefully soon we will have someone like him around

why is everyone complaining so much about the promoters?? ,, when noone else is really trying to spend their money and time in trying to promote new events.. We should at least leave the promoters alone and stop complaining so much .. if we dont like the events then we shouldnt go ... I been to a couple of events and they are not bad , they have their own crowd , same faces but oh well at least some are having fun. The question should be why isnt there more promoters??. it seems like a lot of us have good ideas , maybe we should start to promote some events and start investing some money

Most of us have different taste than our younger generations ( 19, 20 , 21) so we put the promoters in a position that if they satisfy what we want then they may loose what they have.. I know that most of us here are more of a classy crowd , at least we have babalu...

latinsoulchild wrote:

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The Fan said it perfectly...

I've yet to see a promoter do anything the way Carlos Zapata and the Sabor Latino team used to do it..

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well bro those day are done u and i know it..

SN.. has done more then any promoter in these dark days that our community has faced... they have brought big acts and have a strong nights

sabornuevo wrote:

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I have and still promote clubs in toronto. My company is the first promoters to every have more then one Latin night on a weekly rotationFriday Saturday and Sunday. Endless concerts and much more.. Over 14 years in the industry working for or in my own company. I clearly have more experience then you on this thread. HOW MANY CONCERTS, CLUB AND EVENTS YOU PROMOTED. rookie!

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My opinion: No es Cantidad es CALIDAD.

One question: whos the rookie?

X4v13r wrote:

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sabornuevo wrote:

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Wow where to start about this..

To be honest yes the Latin scene is a lot different in Toronto and World wide then it was 10 years ago. The world wide change has affected the fragile scene in Toronto.  NOW I dont know what some people are talking about but Latinos, always got into big fights so scratch that off the before they and now they dont list. Some of you people in here dont know the full story about the concerts before Sabor Nuevo and some of the new guys, Bet you didnt know that there was a ban  from artists in Canada because of none payment. Latin artists  have driven up there prices, people in the states, south, central America you can even say Montréal are willing to pay more but Toronto isnt. All the banquet halls dont care anymore...They dont want nothing to do with concerts so they drove up there prices soo high. Prices of the artist goes up, and the prices for venue goes up but the Toronto market wont pay more. Some will but not enough for the promoter to make money or make it worth his or her time.  Someone said speaking of ****ty promoters where is Sabor Nuevo.. This is the main reason why I left Toronto. Why build my mega club in Toronto when someone is going to just slap the hell out of the hand that feeds you. Why bring a concert to Toronto when some people are just going ruin it by spreading rumors. Why do anything in Toronto when there is no appreciation for the people bringing you the shows and investing a lot more then 40 dollars and 6 hours of one night. Promoters put 30 or more grands on the line. Invest over 200 hours to promote and put together the events. Then come and blame us for things that are out of out hands. Sabor Nuevo is still promoting events in Toronto and we still have are hardcore followers. As far as me opening a club or concerts in Toronto, I would much rather do it here in Costa Rica , Where the majority of the people appreciate more what a good promoter can bring you. Like I said before there is still a lot of good clients in Toronto, its too bad they have to suffer because of others.

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haha bro u r jokes, I didn't want to say anything but i felt that someone should point this out to you......you said "I would much rather do it here in Costa Rica , Where the majority of the people appreciate more what a good promoter can bring you."

a good promoter can do it anywhere in the world here (toronto) or there (Costa Rica) thats y they are "good promoters" like u say it doesn't matter the place, if it was the way u say everyone would move to Costa Rica, don't u think?.....
if we come down to numbers, of course u r going to get a better turn out down in Costa Rica where 99% of the population is latin compared to Toronto, where i say maybe 10% if not less are from a latin descent.

down in Costa Rica even if u are a bad promoter and get 1% of the population to come to ur events u will still do better than here, so please get off ur high horse and lets be realistic here.

don't compare apples and oranges.

~X

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There always has to be someone that completely misses the point. You dont have to educate me on the obvious. I am pretty sure everyone knows that in this country the majority of the population speaks Spanish. If you read what I wrote it talks about appreciation. There is a lot of hate and people always trying to bring you down. I am not like others that believe that toronto is a great place to launch a career in the entertainment industry. I am not going to beg for support, I will just find it somewhere else. I love toronto its my favorite city but not for my field.  

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FANTITO wrote:

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Reggeaton killed the Salsa-Bachata star.
Salsa and Bachata and other real latino music used to be danced by people of all ages, and countries.
Even just seeing people dancing latin music other than Reggeaton was a pleasure, reggeaton reminds every one about Reggae which is not a latin rithm.

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HAA you are way off buddy....

as far as reggaeton killing salsa and bachata here...not at all..salsa and the rest of all that crap..merenuge bachata etc...still dominates whats left of the latin scene here...its soo obvious...goto the latin clubs and see how much reggaeton new or old they play compared to the same ol salsa crap....

how many reggaeton concerts have we had here compared to salsa ones?....ya point proven...

so the reggaeton has nothing to do with killing the latin scene here...it aint even big enough....

the reggaeton emerged and made a huge impact in the latin music scene in other places such as the states central and south america..

reggaeton has everything it needs to be part of a latin genre....bachata merengue salsa..bomba plena all in one mixed with reggae and hiphop...
which is called evolution of music...

dont forget salsa being soooo "latin" has alot of its roots in africa...

i dont know were u r from man..when u said salsa bachata was danced by everyone of all ages and countries..

i can speak on behalf of ecua....alot of younger people dont like salsa or the typical cumbias...mostly the older people were always into that....
put on some rock en espanol ..or pop reggaeton...and see how they react..

bachata aint even all that in south america....go to argentina and see if they play that haaaaa

 

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 Well, I know an older couple who just came back from Cuba, they were expecting to listen to all that great cuban music but are dissapointed caused the entertainers kept playing cuban reggeaton, they say that also the other tourist didn't enjoy that show.  This couple had a greater time when they explored the city and socialized with the regular folks who were listening to real cuban music.

 I think young and older latin or other people in Toronto used to have more fun dancing to salsa,merengue,bachata and other styles.  I didn't cause it didn't appeal to me that much thought ( I hate Bachata by the way)

I sometimes listen to salsa but what I really listen to is Rock and Pop in spanish since I grew up listening to it back in El Salvador.

Salsa and other rithms have roots in africa but also does rock, blues,reggea,calipso, and other music. Tego Calderon describes Reggaton as an : "Hijo ilegitimo del Reggae jamaiquino".

 Young latinos look like they are trying very hard to be jamaican when they listen and dance to reggeaton, that's what I don't like about it and I'd prefer they went back to more traditional latin rithms.  Not that there's anything wrong with reggeaton, it;s just a matter of being loyal to "our" music.

 

 

 

 

cant forget tiro de gracia from chile

sorry I dont know toni tapia. I played there a couple of games ( maybe 5 or 6) . rafaga is sick .. see that is the difference i like mana type of rock ( enanitos verdes) . i think you are more into hardcore rock which is cool too

Chilenita wrote:

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Danny_Cordova wrote:

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i heard theres a huge hiphop scene in chile...
and from the articles i read online...reggaeton is happening there

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There is a hip hop scene in Chile.  They also like reggaeton in Chile.  When Daddy Yankee did El Festival de Vina the Chilenos went ape s h i t but it's still not on the rock/pop level.  They will always be rockers first.

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umm I m not sure if agree on this one. I was in santiago last year with a friend and I got the impression that cumbia was up there with reggaeton.
I played in chile 79 and chile linda and it was all about the cumbia ...

I think deep inside everyone likes spanish rock because its chilling music .. I myself like spanish rock a lot but my first choice is still salsa.

Chilenita wrote:

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Danny_Cordova wrote:

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i heard theres a huge hiphop scene in chile...
and from the articles i read online...reggaeton is happening there

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There is a hip hop scene in Chile.  They also like reggaeton in Chile.  When Daddy Yankee did El Festival de Vina the Chilenos went ape s h i t but it's still not on the rock/pop level.  They will always be rockers first.

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yeaaah i seen the vina del mar clips when he peformed crazy
funny how people get surprised when i say i aint into bachata ..only selected songs....

i tell them that in ecuador or other countries in south america we dont get down with that....

vallenatos luv em reminds me of travelling on the bus in quito lol

i heard theres a huge hiphop scene in chile...
and from the articles i read online...reggaeton is happening there

I am not convinced.  Well I guess taste in music in Peru could be totally different than Chile and Argentina but I find it hard to believe.  I find it hard to believe that rock and pop would not get more air time on radios, higher selling albums and more fans than Salsa/Bachata and reggaeton in Peru.  Just as an example if you went into a high school in Peru are you telling me that girls are more into a daddy yankee of a jery rivera than a Chayanne or Luis Miguel...teens are the ones that usually determine what is popular.

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a few point that i can make

1 bachata is almost non existance in peru . if you find bachata its because there is so much pirateria that you could even find paris hilton albums

2 radios in peru play all kind of music . same as here. If you are on the bus then you ll he hearing reggaeton and salsa. If you are at a bank you ll be hearing shakira , chayanne.

3 Rock has its all fans , same as here, rock will never die , it is popular but you are not going to find clubs for rock maybe bars.

4 Punk music is that music the is growin so fast in peru , so many bands ( peruvian bands) even my cousings have their own band

rick wrote:

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Chilenita wrote:

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rick wrote:

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Chilenita wrote:

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rick wrote:

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Really?  So perhaps the friends I have are rich and don't know it

I would be interested in seeing what the top selling albums and tours were in the last few years in Peru.

LINK ANYONE?

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it is very hard to know what the top selling albums are since la pirateria ( burn cds) its permitted in peru .. so noone really buys original , unless you have the money to spend ...

i ll find the links for concerts .. but when i was there i remember that jerry rivare, daddy yankee and some reggaeton artist were doing concerts

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So do you think Jerry Rivera or Daddy Yankee do better in Peru than lets say Chayanne, Alejandro Sanz or Shakira just to name a few

WHERE IS MIGUEL WITH STATS WHEN YOU NEED HIM

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umm yea but chayanne , alejandro sanz and shakira are in a different level .. they are like world wide famous.. it is like saying how many people will assist a pachuca vs atlatico nacional and then compare that to the amount of people that are going to assist a lets say barcelona vs real madrid..

But  you can compare a el gran combo concert in peru . those are sold out for sure. jerry rivera is not in that rank of artist yet. but for you to know his concert did sold out.

Also chile you have to understand that the majority of perus population are not rich $$$ so they can not afford to go to these concerts ( salsa) all the time.

Furthermore if you compare the number of salsa concerts and reggaeton concerts in a year ( people attending to the concerts) in peru and then compare with the once a year shakira concert then most likely salsa and reggaeton add up together will do much better in numbers than shakiras

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I am not convinced.  Well I guess taste in music in Peru could be totally different than Chile and Argentina but I find it hard to believe.  I find it hard to believe that rock and pop would not get more air time on radios, higher selling albums and more fans than Salsa/Bachata and reggaeton in Peru.  Just as an example if you went into a high school in Peru are you telling me that girls are more into a daddy yankee of a jery rivera than a Chayanne or Luis Miguel...teens are the ones that usually determine what is popular.

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yes they will be more into reggaeton. Salsa is mostly for 20 and over people. Plust obviously you are just saying girls , i dont think guys are into chayanne , luis miguel etc....

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Lets agree to disagree until I can prove you wrong - lol

Ugh now I have to research stuff and I hate that

P.S where the hell did you get the idea that rich people like rock..that is ridiculous.

rick wrote:

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Chilenita wrote:

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rick wrote:

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Really?  So perhaps the friends I have are rich and don't know it

I would be interested in seeing what the top selling albums and tours were in the last few years in Peru.

LINK ANYONE?

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it is very hard to know what the top selling albums are since la pirateria ( burn cds) its permitted in peru .. so noone really buys original , unless you have the money to spend ...

i ll find the links for concerts .. but when i was there i remember that jerry rivare, daddy yankee and some reggaeton artist were doing concerts

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So do you think Jerry Rivera or Daddy Yankee do better in Peru than lets say Chayanne, Alejandro Sanz or Shakira just to name a few

WHERE IS MIGUEL WITH STATS WHEN YOU NEED HIM

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umm yea but chayanne , alejandro sanz and shakira are in a different level .. they are like world wide famous.. it is like saying how many people will assist a pachuca vs atlatico nacional and then compare that to the amount of people that are going to assist a lets say barcelona vs real madrid..

But  you can compare a el gran combo concert in peru . those are sold out for sure. jerry rivera is not in that rank of artist yet. but for you to know his concert did sold out.

Also chile you have to understand that the majority of perus population are not rich $$$ so they can not afford to go to these concerts ( salsa) all the time.

Furthermore if you compare the number of salsa concerts and reggaeton concerts in a year ( people attending to the concerts) in peru and then compare with the once a year shakira concert then most likely salsa and reggaeton add up together will do much better in numbers than shakiras

-- Edited by rick at 14:48, 2007-08-09

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I am not convinced.  Well I guess taste in music in Peru could be totally different than Chile and Argentina but I find it hard to believe.  I find it hard to believe that rock and pop would not get more air time on radios, higher selling albums and more fans than Salsa/Bachata and reggaeton in Peru.  Just as an example if you went into a high school in Peru are you telling me that girls are more into a daddy yankee of a jery rivera than a Chayanne or Luis Miguel...teens are the ones that usually determine what is popular.

rick wrote:

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Really?  So perhaps the friends I have are rich and don't know it

I would be interested in seeing what the top selling albums and tours were in the last few years in Peru.

LINK ANYONE?

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it is very hard to know what the top selling albums are since la pirateria ( burn cds) its permitted in peru .. so noone really buys original , unless you have the money to spend ...

i ll find the links for concerts .. but when i was there i remember that jerry rivare, daddy yankee and some reggaeton artist were doing concerts

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So do you think Jerry Rivera or Daddy Yankee do better in Peru than lets say Chayanne, Alejandro Sanz or Shakira just to name a few

WHERE IS MIGUEL WITH STATS WHEN YOU NEED HIM

Really?  So perhaps the friends I have are rich and don't know it

I would be interested in seeing what the top selling albums and tours were in the last few years in Peru.

LINK ANYONE?

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it is very hard to know what the top selling albums are since la pirateria ( burn cds) its permitted in peru .. so noone really buys original , unless you have the money to spend ...

i ll find the links for concerts .. but when i was there i remember that jerry rivare, daddy yankee and some reggaeton artist were doing concerts

@ Lg -

@ X - osea esta hecho troso. (cus u know wat I mean)

sabornuevo wrote:

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Wow where to start about this..

 

To be honest yes the Latin scene is a lot different in Toronto and World wide then it was 10 years ago. The world wide change has affected the fragile scene in Toronto.  NOW I dont know what some people are talking about but Latinos, always got into big fights so scratch that off the before they and now they dont list. Some of you people in here dont know the full story about the concerts before Sabor Nuevo and some of the new guys, Bet you didnt know that there was a ban  from artists in Canada because of none payment. Latin artists  have driven up there prices, people in the states, south, central America you can even say Montréal are willing to pay more but Toronto isnt. All the banquet halls dont care anymore...They dont want nothing to do with concerts so they drove up there prices soo high. Prices of the artist goes up, and the prices for venue goes up but the Toronto market wont pay more. Some will but not enough for the promoter to make money or make it worth his or her time.  Someone said speaking of ****ty promoters where is Sabor Nuevo.. This is the main reason why I left Toronto. Why build my mega club in Toronto when someone is going to just slap the hell out of the hand that feeds you. Why bring a concert to Toronto when some people are just going ruin it by spreading rumors. Why do anything in Toronto when there is no appreciation for the people bringing you the shows and investing a lot more then 40 dollars and 6 hours of one night. Promoters put 30 or more grands on the line. Invest over 200 hours to promote and put together the events. Then come and blame us for things that are out of out hands. Sabor Nuevo is still promoting events in Toronto and we still have are hardcore followers. As far as me opening a club or concerts in Toronto, I would much rather do it here in Costa Rica , Where the majority of the people appreciate more what a good promoter can bring you. Like I said before there is still a lot of good clients in Toronto, its too bad they have to suffer because of others.

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haha bro u r jokes, I didn't want to say anything but i felt that someone should point this out to you......you said "I would much rather do it here in Costa Rica , Where the majority of the people appreciate more what a good promoter can bring you."

a good promoter can do it anywhere in the world here (toronto) or there (Costa Rica) thats y they are "good promoters" like u say it doesn't matter the place, if it was the way u say everyone would move to Costa Rica, don't u think?.....
if we come down to numbers, of course u r going to get a better turn out down in Costa Rica where 99% of the population is latin compared to Toronto, where i say maybe 10% if not less are from a latin descent.

down in Costa Rica even if u are a bad promoter and get 1% of the population to come to ur events u will still do better than here, so please get off ur high horse and lets be realistic here.

don't compare apples and oranges.

~X

rick wrote:

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Chilenita wrote:

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rick wrote:

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miguel wrote:

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in peru it's mostly about spanish rock and latin pop as well.

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sorry man but I been to peru 8 times the last 3 years and it depends on where you go.. most people listen to reggaeton and salsa 

Spanish rock is also listened but not as much as salsa or reggaeton

latin pop is mostly listen in rich areas ( clubs) . But it we are speaking of majority salsa and reggeaton are up there .

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REALLY??????  That is so strange I know a lot of people from Peru that travel there all the time and are not rich and say that rock and pop is the most popular in fact most people that I know from Peru are not into salsa or reggaeton at all.


@Danny when are you going to realize that 25 isn't that young?  Seriously!!  There is a HUGE difference between 19 year old crowd and a 25 year old crowd or at least there should be

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nada que ver .. en peru la musica del pueblo y la musica que es la mas bailada es sin duda salsa y reggaeton ahorita esta fuertisimo ... spanish pop es puesto en discotecas de zonas ricas ( miraflores, san isidro , ) pero si en verdad quisieras ir a una discoteca conocida en peru lo mas probable es que encuentres la salsa y el reggaeton.

Yo aqui estoy en un grupo de peruanos somos como unos 50 que jugamos futbol todas las semanas y lo unico que escuchamos despues de los partidos es salsa .. y en este grupo que te menciono somos de diferentes sectores economicos de peru... el pop is ok , el rock en espanol tambien es fuerte en un sector de peru asi como lo es la musica punk.

Inclusive el peru es conocido por el festival de salsa que hacen en el callao ( chimpun callao) ...La salsa mas escuchada por alla es sin duda la colombiana , seguida por la cubana de muy cerca


-- Edited by rick at 13:01, 2007-08-09

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Really?  So perhaps the friends I have are rich and don't know it

I would be interested in seeing what the top selling albums and tours were in the last few years in Peru.

LINK ANYONE?

confundida wrote:

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@rick

speaking about peru at foot locker there selling peru jackets!!!!

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my sister just got back from peru and brought me the jacket and track pants !!!. In peru in only costs 15 $ for both