FIFA U20 CHILE BRAWL - any eye witnesses here???.

Hugo · Guru

RE: FIFA U20 CHILE BRAWL - any eye witnesses here???.

don_plyero · Guru

R.I.P thred

Chilenita · Comandante

Motown Junkie wrote:

DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!!!!

I have nothing to add to this thread except that DOGO dances reggaeton and MOJO LOVES Chilean soccer.

VIVA CHILE

Thread will never die.....I better change my signature! blankstare

Motown Junkie · TOP Guru

DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!!!!

careguea · Senior Member

Dogo wrote:

@ Cara...
As I said who could've, would've won, is arguable a,d we''ll never know...

But you are trying to tell me, that a player trying to PURPOSELY hit another player with the ball OUT of play is a yellow card? I disagree... regardless, that's another discussion, the ref called it as he saw it, could've been a yellow or red. But what the ref DIDN'T do is get paid to tell the chilean player to try to kick an opposite player and risk a yellow (in your eyes) or a red (in mine) nor did the argentinians PAY the chilean player to get himself in that situation (In case you're wondering)
the argentinians weren't getting their fouls called??? they had 23 fouls called against them!
In any case... how do you go from THAT call (the red card) to a game that was completely BOUGHT by the Argentinians??
I think that the Chilean team has more than enough talent to beat argentina or any other team out there, and you should be proud of that, and hope for these kids keep doing well for future teams
To try to discredit a team's win based on some bogus (and quite ridiculous, IMHO) claim of corruption, is totally unfair
I hope these kids learn from their loss (to keep a cool head) and move on to better, bigger things

I agree that I(we) should be extremely proud at what the Chileans accomplished, considering the way prior selecciones get their asses handed to them in other competitions... hopefully this U20 squad can grow into something bigger and better.

When i talk about corruption and game fixing, in no way did i mean that the teams are paying off the ref.. i meant that the ref may be involved in something fishy, ie: owing money to soprano-like bookmakers... where outcomes of games are entirely under the refs control... just look at what is happening in the NBA with the ref caught in the point shaving scandal. I am not saying that this is going on for sure with the ref last week, but its definitely something that should be 'investigated' along with everything else that is worthy of an investigation. If the NBA ref could do it, why wouldn't any other ref attempt it?

Dogo · Comandante

Chilenita: shut up!!

Dogo · Comandante

@ Cara...
As I said who could've, would've won, is arguable a,d we''ll never know...

But you are trying to tell me, that a player trying to PURPOSELY hit another player with the ball OUT of play is a yellow card? I disagree... regardless, that's another discussion, the ref called it as he saw it, could've been a yellow or red. But what the ref DIDN'T do is get paid to tell the chilean player to try to kick an opposite player and risk a yellow (in your eyes) or a red (in mine) nor did the argentinians PAY the chilean player to get himself in that situation (In case you're wondering)
the argentinians weren't getting their fouls called??? they had 23 fouls called against them!
In any case... how do you go from THAT call (the red card) to a game that was completely BOUGHT by the Argentinians??
I think that the Chilean team has more than enough talent to beat argentina or any other team out there, and you should be proud of that, and hope for these kids keep doing well for future teams
To try to discredit a team's win based on some bogus (and quite ridiculous, IMHO) claim of corruption, is totally unfair
I hope these kids learn from their loss (to keep a cool head) and move on to better, bigger things

Chilenita · Comandante

careguea wrote:

the refs unfair calls gave argentina the advantage the entire game... true argentina's goals were legit and some were nice, but thats aside from the fact that the ref was calling every questionable foul in favour of argentina, and he wasnt calling the majority of fouls commited by argentina on chilean players. The first red card deserved to be a yellow, but the red card set teh pace for the rest of the game.

How does the refs bad calls relate to the rest of the incidents???... b/c the bad calls lost control of the game and players, thus creating a hostile atmosphere in the stadium... frustrated fans and players felt cheated... the frustrated fans took it out on other fans and the ref, and some ran on the field. The players were still hot headed by the time they got to the bus, and we all know what happened afterwards.
So what would have happened if the game was called fairly??..regardless of the outcome, behaviour on and off the field probably would have been much more sportsmanlike.

something to think about: Fifa world cup qualifying begins in sept/oct 2007... Chile plays in Argentina ... Chile likely has a new argentinian coach (el loco Bielsa, or Borgui) ... fresh start, new team, new coach .. i smell an upset in the making.

I disagree. I was one of the fans there that day. YES I was VERY angry at the ref for the horrible calls. Most fans were but no fights broke out amoung fans. The Argentinos celebrated and the Chilenos went to see the players like after every game. The problem the players had with security and then the cops was something totally seperate from the game. It was not the loss that caused what happened with cops it was the stupid security guards not letting them say hi to fans.

P.S DOGO DANCES REGGAETON!!! bleh

careguea · Senior Member

the refs unfair calls gave argentina the advantage the entire game... true argentina's goals were legit and some were nice, but thats aside from the fact that the ref was calling every questionable foul in favour of argentina, and he wasnt calling the majority of fouls commited by argentina on chilean players. The first red card deserved to be a yellow, but the red card set teh pace for the rest of the game.

How does the refs bad calls relate to the rest of the incidents???... b/c the bad calls lost control of the game and players, thus creating a hostile atmosphere in the stadium... frustrated fans and players felt cheated... the frustrated fans took it out on other fans and the ref, and some ran on the field. The players were still hot headed by the time they got to the bus, and we all know what happened afterwards.
So what would have happened if the game was called fairly??..regardless of the outcome, behaviour on and off the field probably would have been much more sportsmanlike.

something to think about: Fifa world cup qualifying begins in sept/oct 2007... Chile plays in Argentina ... Chile likely has a new argentinian coach (el loco Bielsa, or Borgui) ... fresh start, new team, new coach .. i smell an upset in the making.

Dogo · Comandante

@ Chile
I CAN'T HEARRRRR YOUUUUU!! *covers ears* LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!

Motown Junkie · TOP Guru

Chilenita wrote:

Dogo wrote:

Why would the ref's calls have any thing to do with the brawl?

Also, the ref sucked, we can all agree on that. (would it have been a different outcome if he didn't? we can argue that for a long time) But taking it as far as saying that the game was fixed?! give me a break!! See, that's just being sore... I'm sure you're referring to the foul calls (which was 23 to 30 calls, THAT's a fixed game?? please!) or red cards (which at least the first one was merited)
Now, you tell me that the outcome of the game had nothing to do with the frustration of the players after the first goal, and tell me which goal that chile made was not called or by the "paid off" ref... and which goal that argentina made, that SHOULDN'T have been called a goal or which goal did the "paid off" ref fabricate for Argentina, and I'll shut up and buy your "game was fixed" theory

You know what DOGO nobody in their right mind would listen to an Argentino that dances reggaeton. I saw the pics. Now nothing you say has any real meaning.

Julie · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:
You know what DOGO nobody in their right mind would listen to an Argentino that dances reggaeton. I saw the pics. Now nothing you say has any real meaning.

Chilenita · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

Why would the ref's calls have any thing to do with the brawl?

Also, the ref sucked, we can all agree on that. (would it have been a different outcome if he didn't? we can argue that for a long time) But taking it as far as saying that the game was fixed?! give me a break!! See, that's just being sore... I'm sure you're referring to the foul calls (which was 23 to 30 calls, THAT's a fixed game?? please!) or red cards (which at least the first one was merited)
Now, you tell me that the outcome of the game had nothing to do with the frustration of the players after the first goal, and tell me which goal that chile made was not called or by the "paid off" ref... and which goal that argentina made, that SHOULDN'T have been called a goal or which goal did the "paid off" ref fabricate for Argentina, and I'll shut up and buy your "game was fixed" theory

You know what DOGO nobody in their right mind would listen to an Argentino that dances reggaeton. I saw the pics. Now nothing you say has any real meaning.

Dogo · Comandante

Why would the ref's calls have any thing to do with the brawl?

Also, the ref sucked, we can all agree on that. (would it have been a different outcome if he didn't? we can argue that for a long time) But taking it as far as saying that the game was fixed?! give me a break!! See, that's just being sore... I'm sure you're referring to the foul calls (which was 23 to 30 calls, THAT's a fixed game?? please!) or red cards (which at least the first one was merited)
Now, you tell me that the outcome of the game had nothing to do with the frustration of the players after the first goal, and tell me which goal that chile made was not called or by the "paid off" ref... and which goal that argentina made, that SHOULDN'T have been called a goal or which goal did the "paid off" ref fabricate for Argentina, and I'll shut up and buy your "game was fixed" theory

careguea · Senior Member

wow... first time i've started such a heated thread on torontohispano... usually i start them on maple leafs forums saying 'trade sundin'

anyhow... a lot of good points and opinions here, I have never been subject of discrimination, but then again i've lived my whole life in low key mississauga.

@ Chilenita, thanks for verifying exactly what went down.. its what i've been scratching my head at for a week now.

@ Hugo, u da man.

Funny thing is, every one says the cause of the problems was 'this', or 'that'.... but no one in the media claims that all of last thursday's problems started with the unfair officiating of the Ref (Wolfgang Stark)!... Shouldn't there be some kind of investigation?..perhaps for corruption, match fixing?.. hell it happened in the NBA, why not in FIFA? A majority of the people that i've talked to that watched the game last week (both chilenos and neutral fans) have all agreed that something was fishy and the officiating was extremely questionable.

if the ref would have called a fair match, none of the on field and post-game events would have occurred...even if chile woulda lost anyways.

X4v13r · Comandante

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - yes I agree.

@ X - u ass.

what did i do now?

~X

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

@ Chilenita - yes I agree.

@ X - u ass.

X4v13r · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - why do u always bring up Ecuador as part of ur comeback or responses, I'm not clear as to wat Ecaudor has to do with this topic. I understand ur anger, frustration about wat "you" consider injusto that happened to your team, but by bringing down Ecuador, won't change the outcome or better the results.

Anyhow no need for u to go an a ramp page with me, but I just had to bring it up, since I've heard u say it many times. I think that weather it's ppl. from Ecaudor or any other latin speaking country that doesn't agree with the Chileans complaint as to the incident is free to think & view it the way they want, and there is no need to be upset about it.

Well that's all don't go crazy.

Ugh it was a comeback at Xavier who is from Ecuador (well you know that) and he was talking about Chileans so yeah It was a back and forth thang. If you have heard me say it before it would also be to someone from Ecuador. Not my fault there is nothing but people from Ecuador on here. You mention where I am from and I'll do the same. Just so you know I was kidding with Xavier THIS TIME.

Of course everyone is free to post what they want and so am I

shut up and go eat fritada

I wasn't kidding or talking to u

~X

did princessa tell u thats how i call it?

~X
COCHINO!!!!!!

~X

Chilenita · Comandante

X4v13r wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - why do u always bring up Ecuador as part of ur comeback or responses, I'm not clear as to wat Ecaudor has to do with this topic. I understand ur anger, frustration about wat "you" consider injusto that happened to your team, but by bringing down Ecuador, won't change the outcome or better the results.

Anyhow no need for u to go an a ramp page with me, but I just had to bring it up, since I've heard u say it many times. I think that weather it's ppl. from Ecaudor or any other latin speaking country that doesn't agree with the Chileans complaint as to the incident is free to think & view it the way they want, and there is no need to be upset about it.

Well that's all don't go crazy.

Ugh it was a comeback at Xavier who is from Ecuador (well you know that) and he was talking about Chileans so yeah It was a back and forth thang. If you have heard me say it before it would also be to someone from Ecuador. Not my fault there is nothing but people from Ecuador on here. You mention where I am from and I'll do the same. Just so you know I was kidding with Xavier THIS TIME.

Of course everyone is free to post what they want and so am I

shut up and go eat fritada

I wasn't kidding or talking to u

~X

did princessa tell u thats how i call it?

~X

COCHINO!!!!!!

biggrin

X4v13r · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - why do u always bring up Ecuador as part of ur comeback or responses, I'm not clear as to wat Ecaudor has to do with this topic. I understand ur anger, frustration about wat "you" consider injusto that happened to your team, but by bringing down Ecuador, won't change the outcome or better the results.

Anyhow no need for u to go an a ramp page with me, but I just had to bring it up, since I've heard u say it many times. I think that weather it's ppl. from Ecaudor or any other latin speaking country that doesn't agree with the Chileans complaint as to the incident is free to think & view it the way they want, and there is no need to be upset about it.

Well that's all don't go crazy.

Ugh it was a comeback at Xavier who is from Ecuador (well you know that) and he was talking about Chileans so yeah It was a back and forth thang. If you have heard me say it before it would also be to someone from Ecuador. Not my fault there is nothing but people from Ecuador on here. You mention where I am from and I'll do the same. Just so you know I was kidding with Xavier THIS TIME.

Of course everyone is free to post what they want and so am I

shut up and go eat fritada

I wasn't kidding or talking to u

~X

did princessa tell u thats how i call it?

~X

Chilenita · Comandante

X4v13r wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - why do u always bring up Ecuador as part of ur comeback or responses, I'm not clear as to wat Ecaudor has to do with this topic. I understand ur anger, frustration about wat "you" consider injusto that happened to your team, but by bringing down Ecuador, won't change the outcome or better the results.

Anyhow no need for u to go an a ramp page with me, but I just had to bring it up, since I've heard u say it many times. I think that weather it's ppl. from Ecaudor or any other latin speaking country that doesn't agree with the Chileans complaint as to the incident is free to think & view it the way they want, and there is no need to be upset about it.

Well that's all don't go crazy.

Ugh it was a comeback at Xavier who is from Ecuador (well you know that) and he was talking about Chileans so yeah It was a back and forth thang. If you have heard me say it before it would also be to someone from Ecuador. Not my fault there is nothing but people from Ecuador on here. You mention where I am from and I'll do the same. Just so you know I was kidding with Xavier THIS TIME.

Of course everyone is free to post what they want and so am I

shut up and go eat fritada

I wasn't kidding or talking to u

~X

X4v13r · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - why do u always bring up Ecuador as part of ur comeback or responses, I'm not clear as to wat Ecaudor has to do with this topic. I understand ur anger, frustration about wat "you" consider injusto that happened to your team, but by bringing down Ecuador, won't change the outcome or better the results.

Anyhow no need for u to go an a ramp page with me, but I just had to bring it up, since I've heard u say it many times. I think that weather it's ppl. from Ecaudor or any other latin speaking country that doesn't agree with the Chileans complaint as to the incident is free to think & view it the way they want, and there is no need to be upset about it.

Well that's all don't go crazy.

Ugh it was a comeback at Xavier who is from Ecuador (well you know that) and he was talking about Chileans so yeah It was a back and forth thang. If you have heard me say it before it would also be to someone from Ecuador. Not my fault there is nothing but people from Ecuador on here. You mention where I am from and I'll do the same. Just so you know I was kidding with Xavier THIS TIME.

Of course everyone is free to post what they want and so am I

I wasn't kidding or talking to u

~X

Chilenita · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

WOW this is so exciting!!!

I really hope Chile Wins!!!!

if we do it will be no thanks to you evileye

Chilenita · Comandante

PRINCESSA wrote:

@ Chilenita - why do u always bring up Ecuador as part of ur comeback or responses, I'm not clear as to wat Ecaudor has to do with this topic. I understand ur anger, frustration about wat "you" consider injusto that happened to your team, but by bringing down Ecuador, won't change the outcome or better the results.

Anyhow no need for u to go an a ramp page with me, but I just had to bring it up, since I've heard u say it many times. I think that weather it's ppl. from Ecaudor or any other latin speaking country that doesn't agree with the Chileans complaint as to the incident is free to think & view it the way they want, and there is no need to be upset about it.

Well that's all don't go crazy.

Ugh it was a comeback at Xavier who is from Ecuador (well you know that) and he was talking about Chileans so yeah blankstare

It was a back and forth thang. If you have heard me say it before it would also be to someone from Ecuador. Not my fault there is nothing but people from Ecuador on here. You mention where I am from and I'll do the same. Just so you know I was kidding with Xavier THIS TIME.

Of course everyone is free to post what they want and so am I smile

Daeveed · Foro Master

WOW this is so exciting!!!

I really hope Chile Wins!!!!

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

@ Chilenita -

why do u always bring up Ecuador as part of ur comeback or responses, I'm not clear as to wat Ecaudor has to do with this topic. I understand ur anger, frustration about wat "you" consider injusto that happened to your team, but by bringing down Ecuador, won't change the outcome or better the results.

Anyhow no need for u to go an a ramp page with me, but I just had to bring it up, since I've heard u say it many times. I think that weather it's ppl. from Ecaudor or any other latin speaking country that doesn't agree with the Chileans complaint as to the incident is free to think & view it the way they want, and there is no need to be upset about it.

Well that's all don't go crazy.

X4v13r · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

The Fan wrote:

Miércoles 25 de julio de 2007
Chile y Cuba dis****ron un juego de balonmano polémico. Los isleños ganaron 40 a 18, y hubo agresiones mutuas, pero la dirigencia descarta de plano que el incidente haya continuado fuera de la Villa.
Foto:EFE

From el Mercurio (diario Chileno)

PRESUNTA TRIFULCA CERCA DE LA VILLA:
El COCh indaga faltas disciplinarias en Río

El diario O Globo reveló que un grupo no identificado de chilenos se habría trenzado a golpes con deportistas cubanos en una bomba de bencina que vende cerveza justo frente a la Villa. El jefe de misión, Jaime Agliati, adelantó que averiguará la veracidad de los hechos.

http://diario.elmercurio.com/2007/07/25/deportes/_portada/noticias/E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6.htm?id={E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6}

looks like is a global conspiracy against chilenos.....lets make a facebook group

~X
Yeah funny how you respond to that post and not the previous one!!!

I should start a "Ecuador thread" I can think of a lot of interesting things to post. :)

Oh and I think you should start that facebook group and update your profile pic and home town so all the evil chileans can hunt you down like the violent crminals that they are and beat you to death.

~X

Chilenita · Comandante

X4v13r wrote:

The Fan wrote:

Miércoles 25 de julio de 2007
Chile y Cuba dis****ron un juego de balonmano polémico. Los isleños ganaron 40 a 18, y hubo agresiones mutuas, pero la dirigencia descarta de plano que el incidente haya continuado fuera de la Villa.
Foto:EFE

From el Mercurio (diario Chileno)

PRESUNTA TRIFULCA CERCA DE LA VILLA:
El COCh indaga faltas disciplinarias en Río

El diario O Globo reveló que un grupo no identificado de chilenos se habría trenzado a golpes con deportistas cubanos en una bomba de bencina que vende cerveza justo frente a la Villa. El jefe de misión, Jaime Agliati, adelantó que averiguará la veracidad de los hechos.

http://diario.elmercurio.com/2007/07/25/deportes/_portada/noticias/E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6.htm?id={E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6}

looks like is a global conspiracy against chilenos.....lets make a facebook group

~X

Yeah funny how you respond to that post and not the previous one!!! furious

I should start a "Ecuador thread" biggrin

I can think of a lot of interesting things to post. :)

Oh and I think you should start that facebook group and update your profile pic and home town so all the evil chileans can hunt you down like the violent crminals that they are and beat you to death. smile

X4v13r · Comandante

The Fan wrote:

Miércoles 25 de julio de 2007
Chile y Cuba dis****ron un juego de balonmano polémico. Los isleños ganaron 40 a 18, y hubo agresiones mutuas, pero la dirigencia descarta de plano que el incidente haya continuado fuera de la Villa.
Foto:EFE

From el Mercurio (diario Chileno)

PRESUNTA TRIFULCA CERCA DE LA VILLA:
El COCh indaga faltas disciplinarias en Río

El diario O Globo reveló que un grupo no identificado de chilenos se habría trenzado a golpes con deportistas cubanos en una bomba de bencina que vende cerveza justo frente a la Villa. El jefe de misión, Jaime Agliati, adelantó que averiguará la veracidad de los hechos.

http://diario.elmercurio.com/2007/07/25/deportes/_portada/noticias/E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6.htm?id={E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6}

looks like is a global conspiracy against chilenos.....lets make a facebook group

~X

Chilenita · Comandante

The Fan wrote:

Miércoles 25 de julio de 2007
Chile y Cuba dis****ron un juego de balonmano polémico. Los isleños ganaron 40 a 18, y hubo agresiones mutuas, pero la dirigencia descarta de plano que el incidente haya continuado fuera de la Villa.
Foto:EFE

From el Mercurio (diario Chileno)

PRESUNTA TRIFULCA CERCA DE LA VILLA:
El COCh indaga faltas disciplinarias en Río

El diario O Globo reveló que un grupo no identificado de chilenos se habría trenzado a golpes con deportistas cubanos en una bomba de bencina que vende cerveza justo frente a la Villa. El jefe de misión, Jaime Agliati, adelantó que averiguará la veracidad de los hechos.

http://diario.elmercurio.com/2007/07/25/deportes/_portada/noticias/E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6.htm?id={E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6}

Ha your anti Chilean mission makes me laugh! Too bad you don't care to reveal where you are from. Then perhaps we could discuss your people.

VIVA CHILE M I E R D A!!!!

You will get over your hate one day don't worry. aww

The Fan · Senior Member

Miércoles 25 de julio de 2007
Chile y Cuba dis****ron un juego de balonmano polémico. Los isleños ganaron 40 a 18, y hubo agresiones mutuas, pero la dirigencia descarta de plano que el incidente haya continuado fuera de la Villa.
Foto:EFE

From el Mercurio (diario Chileno)

PRESUNTA TRIFULCA CERCA DE LA VILLA:
El COCh indaga faltas disciplinarias en Río

El diario O Globo reveló que un grupo no identificado de chilenos se habría trenzado a golpes con deportistas cubanos en una bomba de bencina que vende cerveza justo frente a la Villa. El jefe de misión, Jaime Agliati, adelantó que averiguará la veracidad de los hechos.

http://diario.elmercurio.com/2007/07/25/deportes/_portada/noticias/E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6.htm?id={E7A33275-8F18-4BA2-8526-D121AC2990D6}

Chilenita · Comandante

Chile makes most of it

A lousy schedule and a run-in with police didn't stop passionate team from giving its fans a show they will remember
By DEREK VAN DIEST

EDMONTON -- Their anthem was inadvertently cut short at every venue.

They had to traverse the country on four occasions -- more than any other team in the tournament.

They were on the wrong end of questionable officiating decisions in the semi-final, then got into an altercation with Toronto police boarding the team bus.

Yet for all their adversity and recent bad press in Canada, to Chileans both in this country and in South America, they'll be remembered as heroes.

A group of 18, 19 and 20-year-old players who united an entire population in their quest for a world championship.

They gave Chileans a reason to stand up and be proud.

"What we wanted to do here is give Chileans -- some that have not been back in over 30 years -- a little piece of the old country," head coach Jose Sulantay said early in the tournament. "We want them to experience something they can't experience here. Before this tournament started, we told all the players that they were not just representing those Chileans back home, but those who had to flee their homes and are now living here in Canada."

This team accomplished that.

The excitement in the fans was evident in spectacular displays of sight and sound everywhere Chile played, whether in Edmonton, Toronto or Montreal.

One of the big reasons for the success of the FIFA Under-20 World Cup was the Chileans, both on the field and in the stands.

Unfortunately a large part of it was ignored by some local media -- particularly in Edmonton -- who turned their backs on the event because it wasn't hockey.

Chile finished the tournament with five wins, a loss and a tie. They played some of the best soccer ever witnessed in this country. They played with flare, skill and a desire to continue scoring goals regardless of the situation.

This was supposed to be their year.

Heading into their semi-final against Argentina, the game was touted as one between heated rivals.

In reality, a rivalry occurs when both teams have traditionally shared the spoils. This instance was more comparable to little brother believing he could finally take on big brother.

The Boston Red Sox believing they could finally defeat the New York Yankees if you will.

That's why when Chile had a player sent off -- perceived unjustifiably -- 15 minutes into the semi-final, fans felt cheated out of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

The feeling escalated with every call that went against the team.

That's why players and coaches surrounded the referee after the game. That's why the officiating crew had to make a run for it to get past a hostile crowd -- which not only included Chileans. Neutrals were disappointed in the officiating.

Unfortunately many Canadians will remember Chile for the incident that occurred over an hour after the game as they boarded the team bus.

According to eyewitness accounts, it started when a player went to greet a group of fans behind a fence and ignored an overzealous security guard's orders to get on the bus.

Then after he was tackled and piled on, his teammates poured off the bus sparking the melee which resulted in one player being tasered and others pepper sprayed.

The event sparked an international incident, one that the Chilean community hopes doesn't get swept under the rug by the local police.

As a Chilean-Canadian, their outrage is understandable. It's the same outrage Canadians would have if the World Junior Hockey team was involved in an altercation with police overseas and one of their players was tasered while others were pepper sprayed.

Regardless, Chile was still able to bounce back and earn the bronze medal three days later.

It wasn't what they came after but it may ease the pain of falling short of the original goal.

"This was the minimum that we wanted to achieve," defender Nicolas Lorrondo told Chilean radio following their 1-0 win over Austria on Sunday.

"We're still upset about losing to Argentina in the semifinal, but we wanted to give something back to all our fans that have supported us here and in Chile. To us the goal was to make it to the final. It didn't work out that way but this is a bit of a consolation prize for us."

With World Cup qualifying just around the corner, Chileans believe this is a sign of things to come. The country has not participated in a World Cup since 1998 and this team has given them hope for 2010.

"This has been a long battle for us but we came out of it with some concrete lessons," Sulantay said. "We learned that you have to be prepared for a lot of things when playing in a tournament like this and realized the amount of strength you have to have both physically and psychologically.

"I think my players, the majority of them who play professional soccer, have earned a great deal of experience in this tournament."

It was a tough lesson to learn. But thanks for the memories.

Viva Chile.

rick · Guru

Quixote wrote:

While I missed out on the incident at the bus, there was mounting tension throughout the game. The referee's poor calls and the Argentinan goals made the situation bleak, especially at the end of the game where the ref missed a fairly obvious call. Disappointment turned to anger at that point.

And let's give the 'toy cops' some credit. They are there to do a job and that is to help maintain the rules and safety for the benefit of the players as well as the spectators. If a 'toy cop' says you cannot sign autographs or meet the fans then respect it, or at least convince their boss to get permission to do so. You don't take it into your own hands and insist on doing it or challenge authority.

Let's face it.. frustrations got the best of the players and even the fans.

Ironically, although it was somewhat ugly - the incident does exemplify the passion for the game here in Toronto. Let's keep the passion and leave the ugly behind.

I fully agree. However we are forgetting that the players from chile do not speak english and the cops do not speak spanish...

Quixote · Guru

While I missed out on the incident at the bus, there was mounting tension throughout the game. The referee's poor calls and the Argentinan goals made the situation bleak, especially at the end of the game where the ref missed a fairly obvious call. Disappointment turned to anger at that point.

And let's give the 'toy cops' some credit. They are there to do a job and that is to help maintain the rules and safety for the benefit of the players as well as the spectators. If a 'toy cop' says you cannot sign autographs or meet the fans then respect it, or at least convince their boss to get permission to do so. You don't take it into your own hands and insist on doing it or challenge authority.

Let's face it.. frustrations got the best of the players and even the fans.

Ironically, although it was somewhat ugly - the incident does exemplify the passion for the game here in Toronto. Let's keep the passion and leave the ugly behind.

X4v13r · Comandante

Molson wrote:

X4v13r wrote:

what is it that the chilenos want anyways? just asking.

~X

They want MONEY i hear that La federacion chilena de futbol offer each Sub 20player 5,000 pesos if they made it into the 3 best. but today on tvchile they said that la federation does not have the money. so i guess they will try to sue the City of Toronto so they can get the money they promese the players.

La Federacion also OFRECIO the adult team that play in Copa America a $ price for making it into the second round but they still have not pay any player.

So they want money and they will used the good will of many people in TO to get the money they need.

interesting hmm

~X

Molson · Regular Plus

X4v13r wrote:

what is it that the chilenos want anyways? just asking.

~X

They want MONEY i hear that La federacion chilena de futbol offer each Sub 20player 5,000 pesos if they made it into the 3 best. but today on tvchile they said that la federation does not have the money. so i guess they will try to sue the City of Toronto so they can get the money they promese the players.

La Federacion also OFRECIO the adult team that play in Copa America a $ price for making it into the second round but they still have not pay any player.

So they want money and they will used the good will of many people in TO to get the money they need.

Chilenita · Comandante

Hugo wrote:

Thanks Chilenita, I already knew about it but unfortunately won't be attending, my sister just had a baby, my very first nephew!

I guess lo unico que puedo sacar en conclucion de todo esto es que no hay manera, y ademas no vale la pena, tratar de hacer cambiar la opinion de cierta gente (haters), lo bueno es que los chilenos seguimos mas unidos que nunca!

CE ACHE Í!!! CHÍÍÍ!!!! ELE É!!!! LEEEEE!!!! CHI CHI CHI, LE LE LE VIVA CHILE!

P.S.: My avatar is dedicated to all of you chileno haters! LOL

-- Edited by Hugo at 16:54, 2007-07-24

You know what that is all that matters! Here in toronto most Chilenos are united! WE have been through so much over the years and it is our legacy to stand up and unite!!!!

Congrats on your nephew and enjoy they grow up too quick!

VIVA CHILE M I E R D A!!!!!

smile

Hugo · Guru

Thanks Chilenita, I already knew about it but unfortunately won't be attending, my sister just had a baby, my very first nephew!

I guess lo unico que puedo sacar en conclucion de todo esto es que no hay manera, y ademas no vale la pena, tratar de hacer cambiar la opinion de cierta gente (haters), lo bueno es que los chilenos seguimos mas unidos que nunca!

CE ACHE Í!!! CHÍÍÍ!!!! ELE É!!!! LEEEEE!!!! CHI CHI CHI, LE LE LE VIVA CHILE!

P.S.: My avatar is dedicated to all of you chileno haters! LOL

biggrin

-- Edited by Hugo at 16:54, 2007-07-24

Chilenita · Comandante

The Fan wrote:

this is the opinion of the rest of this multicultural city (about 21,000 people)about the this

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v5/content/poll/pollResultHub?id=62135&pollid=62135&save=_save&show_vote_always=no&poll=GAMFront&hub=Front&subhub=VoteResult

El Popular also have a poll where 26% of latinos blame the players

http://www.diarioelpopular.com/index.php?option=com_poll&task=results&id=26

everyday i think chilenos are hurt for the lost with argentina (that even the president) are trying to blame that bad day on the field with what happen after.
didnt this happen many years ago in brasil where chile blame brasilian fans for lossing a game and after the investigation the fifa suspendio a chile for 1 or 2 years or more ?

A poll from the Globe and Mail doesn't mean much to me since it's a paper I make a point of not reading. I don't much care for the point of view that paper or it's readers have.

You have the right to your own opinion. You want to think it has to do with the horrible ref than go ahead it makes no difference to me.

Regarding the suspension Chilenos were and still are outraged at what Condor Rojas did....not sure what your point is.

The Fan · Senior Member

this is the opinion of the rest of this multicultural city (about 21,000 people)about the this

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v5/content/poll/pollResultHub?id=62135&pollid=62135&save=_save&show_vote_always=no&poll=GAMFront&hub=Front&subhub=VoteResult

El Popular also have a poll where 26% of latinos blame the players

http://www.diarioelpopular.com/index.php?option=com_poll&task=results&id=26

everyday i think chilenos are hurt for the lost with argentina (that even the president) are trying to blame that bad day on the field with what happen after.
didnt this happen many years ago in brasil where chile blame brasilian fans for lossing a game and after the investigation the fifa suspendio a chile for 1 or 2 years or more ? confused

Chilenita · Comandante

angelita wrote:

Dogo wrote:

@ Angelita: in a nutshell... Chilenita beat the cops. we're trying to get her

That doesn´t surprise me!!!

Chilenita · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

Note to self: that TWO points for a BAD avatar

bah I hate you!

I don't know why that sexy chick you are with likes you furious

angelita · Guru

Dogo wrote:

@ Angelita: in a nutshell... Chilenita beat the cops. we're trying to get her

That doesn´t surprise me!!!

Dogo · Comandante

@ Angelita: in a nutshell... Chilenita beat the cops. we're trying to get her

Dogo · Comandante

Note to self: that TWO points for a BAD avatar

angelita · Guru

WOW!! What happened?? Can i get a summary.....pretty please

Chilenita · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

But.. but.. I just said that the cops reaction was a different topic ("the reaction following that is a whole other thread") And I'm not making any excuses for THAT part of all this (I don't know what happened yet)
And re. "they spoke to fans at every game" as I said, maybe this time they encountered a prick and maybe should've been dealt with in a different way to avoid a confrontation, that's all

Whatever I know what you meant evileye

First you don't know how to make asado and now this

Dogo · Comandante

But.. but.. I just said that the cops reaction was a different topic

("the reaction following that is a whole other thread") And I'm not making any excuses for THAT part of all this (I don't know what happened yet)
And re. "they spoke to fans at every game" as I said, maybe this time they encountered a prick

and maybe should've been dealt with in a different way to avoid a confrontation, that's all

Chilenita · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

@ Chile
We'll probably just keep going in circles, but, yes, I do think that if a security guy said to a leaf that he can't say hello to the fans he wouldn't. Specially being in a foreign country where, really, you don't know what to expect. Otherwise what the hell is security there for? Might as well let everyone do what they want. Ultimately, whether you like it or not, they are the "trained" authority in the stadium. Period
And maybe this time they found a security guy that was more of an a$$hole than the other times. Regardless, i don't think the approach is to just go passed the security guy, no matter how little YOU think he matters to the security of the stadium
I think a more diplomatic way of dealing with it would've been to have the coach talk to the security guy or to the head of security, not just go passed them as if nada. I mean, really, did you think the security guy was just going to stand there and let them go by, when he said they couldn't? (assuming this is how it happened)
The reaction following that... well, that's a whole other thread

DOGO they greeted fans after every game. They took pics and spoke to fans after every single game. Whatever there is no excuse for what cops did and nobody will change my mind on that!!!

Dogo · Comandante

@ Chile
We'll probably just keep going in circles, but, yes, I do think that if a security guy said to a leaf that he can't say hello to the fans he wouldn't. Specially being in a foreign country where, really, you don't know what to expect. Otherwise what the hell is security there for? Might as well let everyone do what they want. Ultimately, whether you like it or not, they are the "trained" authority in the stadium. Period
And maybe this time they found a security guy that was more of an a$$hole than the other times. Regardless, i don't think the approach is to just go passed the security guy, no matter how little YOU think he matters to the security of the stadium
I think a more diplomatic way of dealing with it would've been to have the coach talk to the security guy or to the head of security, not just go passed them as if nada. I mean, really, did you think the security guy was just going to stand there and let them go by, when he said they couldn't? (assuming this is how it happened)
The reaction following that... well, that's a whole other thread