Turbants in the RCMP

EL PADRINO · Senior Member

RE: Turbants in the RCMP

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Sweetness wrote:
(1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Cheers for that...

Sweetness · Guru

I say let them wear their Turbans. It's not hurting anyone. It's part of their religion, and by not letting them wear their turbans...well then that just goes against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and Canadians are being hypocrites. What's funny to me is when people say "if you come to Canada then you should follow what we do and follow our customs". This is funny, because Canada is made up of people that come from all over the world therefore making our customs many and not just those that were forced on the Native people by the British. So I say to those people you tell me which customs I should follow, the Latino customs, Chinese, Indian, Native, Irish, Jamaican? Which one? There are many in Canada. This is what makes Canada...Canada! Come on now, enough with these racist attitudes. Just because someone or something is different doesn't make them bad. People are just scared of what they don't know and don't have any control over, and that's why they want to ban cops from wearing their Turbans. Which is really stupid and unfair to those who follow this religion.

(1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Motown Junkie wrote:
a) It's a f@cking TURBAN not a TURBANT!!!

b) Aren't there more important things that the RCMP should be worrying about instead of what some men wear and don't wear????

eggsaktly... female RCMP officers should be wearing fishnet stockings and minis skirts...

@Phanta: I hear ya dude.... it's imposible for me to listen to muh European techno when 2000 spics are screaming and listen to some bull$hit music that sounds like reggae....

Motown Junkie · TOP Guru

a) It's a f@cking TURBAN not a TURBANT!!!

b) Aren't there more important things that the RCMP should be worrying about instead of what some men wear and don't wear????

Phantasma · TOP Guru

McOSIRIS wrote:
Touché once again....

<sarcasm> It true dude, ****in Latinos I dunno why its so hard for them to accept Canadian traditions. This is freakin CANADA not MEXICO. they're allways opening up their damn rooftop patios and dancing their sexually charged Salsa music all over the place... and the spanish, oh man dont even get me started, Them spics are always takin **** in spanish at my work and White God only knows what in the hell they be talking about. And dont even get me started about their summer festivals blocking up the streets when Im trying to just go down St Clair which by the way used to be a nice White neighbourhood and its now crawling with them beanermonkeys peddling their tacos all over the danm street! </sarcasm>

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Touché once again....

Phantasma · TOP Guru

JOKER_ESCO wrote:
God wrote:
I don't know if you heard about the dude got in the hecks for trying to wear his Turbant during a RCMP ceremony, so do you think they should be allowed??

Just like he respects his religion n he was the freedom to practice his religion, he should respect the laws n customs of Canada 2, some PPL take freedom 2 far n they want 2 push it all the way, I understand when he is working I have no problem with it, but in a Ceremony he should, I don't understand why PPL have 2 much problem following the traditions of this Country, they complain cause they want it all, We are lucky 2 live in a Country like Canada so we should give the Respect the traditions of this country n stop the Bull $hit.

Ok I'll agree with u if u stop speaking Spanish anywhere while u are in Canada and u only speak either French or English. I would also accept Iroquoian, algouquian or Inuktitut

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

God wrote:
I don't know if you heard about the dude got in the hecks for trying to wear his Turbant during a RCMP ceremony, so do you think they should be allowed??

Just like he respects his religion n he was the freedom to practice his religion, he should respect the laws n customs of Canada 2, some PPL take freedom 2 far n they want 2 push it all the way, I understand when he is working I have no problem with it, but in a Ceremony he should, I don't understand why PPL have 2 much problem following the traditions of this Country, they complain cause they want it all, We are lucky 2 live in a Country like Canada so we should give the Respect the traditions of this country n stop the Bull $hit.

Phantasma · TOP Guru

God wrote:
Phantasma wrote:
God wrote:
EL PADRINO wrote:
canadian traditions ?

Have you ever heard of Cultural Autonomy ? Just because someone came from another country does't mean that they should give up their cultural identity.

They CAN have it both ways. They can avail themselves to Canada's opportunities AND they can continue to engage in the traditions of their cultural group.

Canadian traditions would include portaging and eating raw seal meat... seeking enlightment from out animal spirits and offering tribute to mother earth....... White Jesus got nothing to do with Canada. If we wanna go all Canadian then we should make all RCMP officers wear feather headdresses

You forgot

Beer
Hockey
Bacon

Beer and Hockey were actually brought over by Irish immigrants in the 1800s. Hockey evolved from an irish game called Hurley so it actually was sorta created here (in nova scotia) but it was ironically created by immigrants. Bacon I'll give u. Everybody loves bacon. I suppose had we told those immigrants "you are in Canada now, be canadian" we wouldnt have any hockey and everyone would play lacrosse which is actually based on a game the iroquois used to play.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:
Canadian traditions would include portaging and eating raw seal meat... seeking enlightment from out animal spirits and offering tribute to mother earth....... White Jesus got nothing to do with Canada. If we wanna go all Canadian then we should make all RCMP officers wear feather headdresses

after reading this I feel the need to seek spiritual meanning in my life with some British Columbia's traditional herbs....

very well said BTW

God · Foro Master

Phantasma wrote:
God wrote:
EL PADRINO wrote:
canadian traditions ?

Have you ever heard of Cultural Autonomy ? Just because someone came from another country does't mean that they should give up their cultural identity.

They CAN have it both ways. They can avail themselves to Canada's opportunities AND they can continue to engage in the traditions of their cultural group.

Canadian traditions would include portaging and eating raw seal meat... seeking enlightment from out animal spirits and offering tribute to mother earth....... White Jesus got nothing to do with Canada. If we wanna go all Canadian then we should make all RCMP officers wear feather headdresses

You forgot

Beer

Hockey

Bacon

Phantasma · TOP Guru

God wrote:
EL PADRINO wrote:
canadian traditions ?

Have you ever heard of Cultural Autonomy ? Just because someone came from another country does't mean that they should give up their cultural identity.

They CAN have it both ways. They can avail themselves to Canada's opportunities AND they can continue to engage in the traditions of their cultural group.

Canadian traditions would include portaging and eating raw seal meat... seeking enlightment from out animal spirits and offering tribute to mother earth....... White Jesus got nothing to do with Canada. If we wanna go all Canadian then we should make all RCMP officers wear feather headdresses

God · Foro Master

EL PADRINO wrote:
canadian traditions ?

Have you ever heard of Cultural Autonomy ? Just because someone came from another country does't mean that they should give up their cultural identity.

They CAN have it both ways. They can avail themselves to Canada's opportunities AND they can continue to engage in the traditions of their cultural group.

luna chiquitita · TOP Guru

Phantasma wrote:
Of course he should wear his turban, why shouldnt he. and why should we even care? its not interfearing with his ability to perform his duties as a police officer and its part of his religion. Unlike earings like someone mentioned which by the way are banned because they can be ripped off in hand-to-hand confrontation. If they wanted to ban people from wearing crosses around their necks everybody would be in an uproar about freedom of religion but because its the "others" its ok to infringe upon their freedom. Canada is not a Christian country exclusively and coming to it should not mean that you should adopt someone else's religion. As per the uniform issue, they make regulation turbans for that very reason. In the official uniform colours and baring the badge to identify it as proper uniform headgear so no issues there. The main point here is, stay out of other people's business. Its none of your business what the man wants to wrap his head with.

-- Edited by Phantasma at 11:48, 2007-01-26

well said

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Of course he should wear his turban, why shouldnt he. and why should we even care? its not interfearing with his ability to perform his duties as a police officer and its part of his religion. Unlike earings like someone mentioned which by the way are banned because they can be ripped off in hand-to-hand confrontation. If they wanted to ban people from wearing crosses around their necks everybody would be in an uproar about freedom of religion but because its the "others" its ok to infringe upon their freedom. Canada is not a Christian country exclusively and coming to it should not mean that you should adopt someone else's religion. As per the uniform issue, they make regulation turbans for that very reason. In the official uniform colours and baring the badge to identify it as proper uniform headgear so no issues there. The main point here is, stay out of other people's business. Its none of your business what the man wants to wrap his head with.

-- Edited by Phantasma at 11:48, 2007-01-26

X4v13r · Comandante

Jaime Cruz wrote:
luna chiquitita wrote:
I'm sorry but am I the only one that finds the word TURBANTS funny? It's TURBAN ppl! Anyhoo, TURBANS are to cover the long uncut hair worn as a sign of a commitment to the Sikh faith. Wiki is our friend

Since this is a sign of his faith I think he should not be forced to remove it since it does not in any way harm or endanger the public in any way. I will however bring up the Kirpan that Sikhs are required to wear because of their faith. Hi Wiki Since this is something that could harm, threaten or endanger the public because of its possible misuse, then requesting them to not wear it, isn't unjustifiable.

That's just my
I think it would be cool for them to let them wear Turbans so it can open doors for other cultures.
Maybe Mexican cops would be allowed to wear sobrero's
Or if you were a King or prince in another country they'd be allowed to wear crowns

thats just my point right there......

who wants a cop wearing a sombrero?

is just going to snowball from there it will start with a turban and next thing u don't know who is a cop because they are all wearing different things.

~X

McOSIRIS · Comandante

EL PADRINO wrote:
yes but now you are hiring them for their religion and not their work skills and religion atleast i think is a private thing so that should never be an issue on hiring .

I don't recall mentioning religion, I only said that I would consider their values and I would respect their cultural traditions, that includes religion, but is not the main reason why I would hire them...

Jaime Cruz · Foro Master

luna chiquitita wrote:
I'm sorry but am I the only one that finds the word TURBANTS funny? It's TURBAN ppl! Anyhoo, TURBANS are to cover the long uncut hair worn as a sign of a commitment to the Sikh faith. Wiki is our friend

Since this is a sign of his faith I think he should not be forced to remove it since it does not in any way harm or endanger the public in any way. I will however bring up the Kirpan that Sikhs are required to wear because of their faith. Hi Wiki Since this is something that could harm, threaten or endanger the public because of its possible misuse, then requesting them to not wear it, isn't unjustifiable.

That's just my

I think it would be cool for them to let them wear Turbans so it can open doors for other cultures.
Maybe Mexican cops would be allowed to wear sobrero's

Or if you were a King or prince in another country they'd be allowed to wear crowns

X4v13r · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:
X4v13r wrote:
well if people just start to replace different parts of the uniform it will just kill the purpose of having a uniform, don't u think?
if they start having different cops for different communities, it would be another problem.......
~X
so, all cops should be white???

nope, not like that, i was trying to say is if u start to identify some cops with some communities it will just bring more problems like.....i don't respect those cops because they don't do nothing for my community or something like I'm not going to help them because they are not part of my community....do u see where I'm going with this.?

I just think that cops are cops and they will take care of all communities no favoritism just beccause they are part of my community or something like that.

~X

EL PADRINO · Senior Member

McOSIRIS wrote:
EL PADRINO wrote:
ok but let me give you an example . you wear a turban and you want to be a cop , but for the last 500 years we have worn police standard isssue hats , why should we change our outfits for you . why dont you change your turban for a police issued hat and go by our canadian traditions ?

for 500 years and longer we've been killing each other in the name of GOD. I think is about time that we start to understand and to respect one another...

I rather hire a guy with a turban than a pedophile in an Armani suit, at least I know the guy with the turban has some spiritual values...

yes but now you are hiring them for their religion and not their work skills and religion atleast i think is a private thing so that should never be an issue on hiring .

McOSIRIS · Comandante

X4v13r wrote:
well if people just start to replace different parts of the uniform it will just kill the purpose of having a uniform, don't u think?
if they start having different cops for different communities, it would be another problem.......
~X

so, all cops should be white???

luna chiquitita · TOP Guru

I'm sorry but am I the only one that finds the word TURBANTS funny?

It's TURBAN ppl! Anyhoo, TURBANS are to cover the long uncut hair worn as a sign of a commitment to the Sikh faith. Wiki is our friend

Since this is a sign of his faith I think he should not be forced to remove it since it does not in any way harm or endanger the public in any way. I will however bring up the Kirpan that Sikhs are required to wear because of their faith. Hi Wiki Since this is something that could harm, threaten or endanger the public because of its possible misuse, then requesting them to not wear it, isn't unjustifiable.

That's just my

X4v13r · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:
X4v13r wrote:
thats true and all but in this case he is not being discriminated......all they are asking him is to wear the uniform the way is meant to be worn...
~X

but he is wearing his uniform... he's just replacing the hat for a turbant...

I couldn't care less if he's wearing a turban or a hat... as long as if it's clean and tidy... this shows respect for other people that are different from the rest and make the police more accessible to a certain population of this community (Sikh community)

well if people just start to replace different parts of the uniform it will just kill the purpose of having a uniform, don't u think?

if they start having different cops for different communities, it would be another problem.......

~X

McOSIRIS · Comandante

EL PADRINO wrote:
ok but let me give you an example . you wear a turban and you want to be a cop , but for the last 500 years we have worn police standard isssue hats , why should we change our outfits for you . why dont you change your turban for a police issued hat and go by our canadian traditions ?

for 500 years and longer we've been killing each other in the name of GOD. I think is about time that we start to understand and to respect one another...

I rather hire a guy with a turban than a pedophile in an Armani suit, at least I know the guy with the turban has some spiritual values...

McOSIRIS · Comandante

X4v13r wrote:
thats true and all but in this case he is not being discriminated......all they are asking him is to wear the uniform the way is meant to be worn...
~X

but he is wearing his uniform... he's just replacing the hat for a turbant...

I couldn't care less if he's wearing a turban or a hat... as long as if it's clean and tidy... this shows respect for other people that are different from the rest and make the police more accessible to a certain population of this community (Sikh community)

EL PADRINO · Senior Member

McOSIRIS wrote:
EL PADRINO wrote:
my opinion, is your religion should have absolutely nothing to do with your job qualification or your job description so leave your religion out side the office door and so will i .
and yet, ppl are still discriminated from certain jobs because of religion, sexual tendencies, or even skin color...

ok but let me give you an example . you wear a turban and you want to be a cop , but for the last 500 years we have worn police standard isssue hats , why should we change our outfits for you . why dont you change your turban for a police issued hat and go by our canadian traditions ?

Julie · Comandante

I would say no but @ the same time, it is part of respecting the others, unfortunatelly, it mostly work one way, Canada towards X etnical group.

Remember the X-mas tree thingy, this is an unfortunate but great example.

I understand that you don't want to loose your roots and tradition, religion included but and the dicho say "my freedom stop where yours begin and vice versa". Meaning basically if the respect and tolerance goes both ways, then why not but it is not the case so, Canada be careful, look what is happening to Europe again ! Major racism issue like never seen before.

I can say that I've seen many things because I DID live, not just vacationed, in few countries so I have a good idea, I think of what we are going towards to and I really hope that Canada will be able to find reasonable way to work and balance all these little things before they become big issue out of control.

Jaime Cruz · Foro Master

God wrote:
I don't know if you heard about the dude got in the hecks for trying to wear his Turbant during a RCMP ceremony, so do you think they should be allowed??

Turbants no.
But I think they shouldn't restrict anyone from wearing Turban's if it's part of their heritage.

X4v13r · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:
EL PADRINO wrote:
my opinion, is your religion should have absolutely nothing to do with your job qualification or your job description so leave your religion out side the office door and so will i .
and yet, ppl are still discriminated from certain jobs because of religion, sexual tendencies, or even skin color...

thats true and all but in this case he is not being discriminated......all they are asking him is to wear the uniform the way is meant to be worn...

~X

McOSIRIS · Comandante

EL PADRINO wrote:
my opinion, is your religion should have absolutely nothing to do with your job qualification or your job description so leave your religion out side the office door and so will i .

and yet, ppl are still discriminated from certain jobs because of religion, sexual tendencies, or even skin color...

McOSIRIS · Comandante

confundida wrote:
NO!!!! THIS IS THE PART THAT I HATE ABOUT CANADA, TOO MANY LOOP HOLES!!! IN BRITAIN WOMAN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WEAR THERE VEILS WHEN TAKEN AN OFFICIAL GOVERMENT PICTURES.......
LIKE UR ALLOWED TO WEAR A TURBAN BUT IM NOT ALLOWED TO WEAR EARINGS...HOW BOUT IF EARING IS PART OF MY RELIGION HUH???

then you are entitled to enforced your rights as a citizen and you should wear them....

EL PADRINO · Senior Member

McOSIRIS wrote:
Diversity is what makes us different to the rest of the world... so I think it's ok if he wants to use his turbant. It's part of his religion.

The problem would be if he has to use a helmet or something like that...

my opinion, is your religion should have absolutely nothing to do with your job qualification or your job description so leave your religion out side the office door and so will i .

God · Foro Master

EL PADRINO wrote:
God wrote:
I don't know if you heard about the dude got in the hecks for trying to wear his Turbant during a RCMP ceremony, so do you think they should be allowed??

no because when you come to this country you go by our rules as being a canadian ..our government has no back bone because we let everyone get away with things by letting them scream racism ..and if you dont like our country and the way we do things here why dont you just go back ....THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION SO DONT GET ALL UP TIGHT OK PEOPLE

But is ok let guys from the RCMP to wear Skirts (Quilts) they are not Canadian at all...

X4v13r · Comandante

NO!!!!
he is wearing a uniform and is a work place, if he doesn't like it get another job.
~X

confundida · Foro Master

NO!!!! THIS IS THE PART THAT I HATE ABOUT CANADA, TOO MANY LOOP HOLES!!! IN BRITAIN WOMAN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WEAR THERE VEILS WHEN TAKEN AN OFFICIAL GOVERMENT PICTURES.......
LIKE UR ALLOWED TO WEAR A TURBAN BUT IM NOT ALLOWED TO WEAR EARINGS...HOW BOUT IF EARING IS PART OF MY RELIGION HUH???

Yesi · Guru

McOSIRIS wrote:
Diversity is what makes us different to the rest of the world... so I think it's ok if he wants to use his turbant. It's part of his religion.

The problem would be if he has to use a helmet or something like that...

I totally agree with you, who cares if he wants to wear a turbant or not. As long as he does a good job who cares.

My two cents
Yesi

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Diversity is what makes us different to the rest of the world... so I think it's ok if he wants to use his turbant. It's part of his religion.

The problem would be if he has to use a helmet or something like that...

EL PADRINO · Senior Member

God wrote:
I don't know if you heard about the dude got in the hecks for trying to wear his Turbant during a RCMP ceremony, so do you think they should be allowed??

no because when you come to this country you go by our rules as being a canadian ..our government has no back bone because we let everyone get away with things by letting them scream racism ..and if you dont like our country and the way we do things here why dont you just go back ....THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION SO DONT GET ALL UP TIGHT OK PEOPLE

God · Foro Master

I don't know if you heard about the dude got in the hecks for trying to wear his Turbant during a RCMP ceremony, so do you think they should be allowed??