Would you report an illegal immigrant?

BELLINI · Guru

RE: Would you report an illegal immigrant?

careguea · Senior Member

LaDyBuG wrote:

careguea wrote:

this is gonna sound horrible, but here it goes...

I would strongly think about ratting out any non-latino/non-latina person who is here illegally.... Canada needs more of us to spice up the culture.

What are you gonna say next.....that we need more INDIANS to drive our cabs and more Jamaicans to "liven up" Caribana.....c'mon......lol

And if it's about a Latino "spicing" up the Canadian culture.....bring over the Cubans or the Dominicans.......(how does that sound to you?)

What you said doesn't sound horrible at all.......it just sounds ignorant.....and snitching is snitching any which way you do it.....

as ignorant as a may sound, CIC statistics has proven that they favour people from Asia (Orientals or south asians)...why is that? if take a drive to Brampton/Markham or wherever you'll see what i'm talking about.... could you image a city like that full of latin immigrants??? wouldn't that be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet... instead of hot dog vendors we get churrasco vendors on street corners.

FANTITO · Senior Member

poli069 wrote:

ohh **** yes...just send them all back...and most of them are in some kinda involved in some kinda of ****...aparte from that, my taxes, all of our taxes goes to support them..even they should get rid of WELFARE..the biggest scam ever...im tired of supporting all these peps that they don't like to work, or trying to get paid under the table..send them all back..!!..thats my 2 cents

soy casi nuevo en canada..y bus co gente nueva para hacer amistades

You say you are almost a recent arrived and are even looking for friends; but you are already talking like a red neck. I don't think you have paid that much taxes anyways. I work and pay taxes too, I pay property taxes that are used for schools and I don't even have children, and yet I don't think I can play God by sending all that people just because I feel I pay to much in taxes. Have a heart buddy

LaDyBuG · Comandante

careguea wrote:

this is gonna sound horrible, but here it goes...

I would strongly think about ratting out any non-latino/non-latina person who is here illegally.... Canada needs more of us to spice up the culture.

What are you gonna say next.....that we need more INDIANS to drive our cabs and more Jamaicans to "liven up" Caribana.....c'mon......lol

And if it's about a Latino "spicing" up the Canadian culture.....bring over the Cubans or the Dominicans.......(how does that sound to you?)

What you said doesn't sound horrible at all.......it just sounds ignorant.....and snitching is snitching any which way you do it.....

Miel · Guru

@Canadian_eh: Canadians do not want to work in constructiion that s why those companies need foreign workers,. if it wasn't like that,. the goverment would have never create a program to help immigrants to come and work especifically on the Construction field,.

I would never report an illegal person,. and if it is a criminal,. drug dealer,. etc,. which affects the society in any way,. i will report them to the police,..not to the immigration office,. ppl needs information and as Bellini said,. lawyers most of the time are the best choice,. but not always,. there are some consultants that can help u,. and lawyers,. that the only thing that they r gonna do is steal the money from u,. so the best thing is either pm Bellini,. or get information through ppl that has being through legal procedures,.and before anything inform urself throught the cic(Citizenship and Immigration Canada) website

careguea · Senior Member

this is gonna sound horrible, but here it goes...

I would strongly think about ratting out any non-latino/non-latina person who is here illegally.... Canada needs more of us to spice up the culture.

GENIE · Foro Master

poli069 wrote:

ohh **** yes...just send them all back...and most of them are in some kinda involved in some kinda of ****...aparte from that, my taxes, all of our taxes goes to support them..even they should get rid of WELFARE..the biggest scam ever...im tired of supporting all these peps that they don't like to work, or trying to get paid under the table..send them all back..!!..thats my 2 cents

GOD I HATE IGNORANCE!!!

Most illegal people are not on welfare but working cash jobs!! and if anything its the employers they are working for that you should be looking at!!

poli069 · Senior Member

ohh **** yes...just send them all back...and most of them are in some kinda involved in some kinda of ****...aparte from that, my taxes, all of our taxes goes to support them..even they should get rid of WELFARE..the biggest scam ever...im tired of supporting all these peps that they don't like to work, or trying to get paid under the table..send them all back..!!..thats my 2 cents

Sweetness · Guru

I would never ever report an illegal immigrant, unless they were criminals. Trust me being an illegal immigrant is not easy at all. Although some people waited in their country and paid money in order to get here, we have to understand that some people don't have that type of time.

I didn't suffer like many people do when they come here, because I came here legally at the age of 3 with my grandpa. However some people aren't as lucky. Lucky being the key word here...

Take my dad for example...yes now he is a Canadian citizen, but getting it was not all peaches and cream. My dad could have waited for his papers in El Salvador, and paid what he needed to pay, but he did not have that type of time. His life was in danger, and could not wait for the government to take their sweet time to approve him. My dad had to leave El Salvador immediately if he wanted to remain alive. He had to flee the corrupt government of El Salvador at that time. He went from El Salvador to Guatemala (where he met my mom) to Mexico to LA in the states to New York, and Finally to Canada. So many things could have happened to him in his journey for survival and for a better life.

So for someone to sit there and type that illegal people have it easy is plain and simple ignorant. An illegal person could be robbed, raped, or even killed, and no one in this country would care, because they have no papers. They could disappear of the face of this planet, but their families wouldn't know, because there are no records of them even being in the country. They are treated like dogs, and forced to live all crammed up in small rooms in order to save money. They work for below minimum wage just so that they can eat.

They are HUMBLE, RESPECTFULL, AND HARDWORKING...SOMETHING THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE LOST. So for someone to type that they have it easier, and should do things the "right way" when they're using a computer, and have all the comforts of life that illegal people do not…in my books they are nothing but inconsiderate, ignorant, A$$HOLES!

No one knows what illegal immigrants have to go through in order to make a better life for themselves, unless they themselves have gone through it. That's why I would never ever, ever , ever, ever, report an illegal immagrant. You could be sending that illegal immigrant that never did anything to you or your family to their deaths. Now if they're criminals that's different, but otherwise heck no.

BELLINI · Guru

Lahtina wrote:

Well... when I'm sick, I don't go see the witch-doctor. That's why when we needed to get my immigration thing underway, we saw a lawyer.

@ Bellini, a flat rate? I can't remember if our lawyer charged us by the hour or not but in the end, it all cost like 3 grand.

Three grand eh! It always depends on what type of Immigration case it is and what work is involved! Ya, these lawyers don't charge by the hour, which is good i guess. Because sometimes i spend hours on something and if they had been charged by the hour, it would have been a killer! Clients get quoted their fee upfront. So that's good.

I'm such a suck, when it comes to my clients! I hate to see them cry! And love to go out of my way and help as much as i can!

Lahtina · Guru

Well... when I'm sick, I don't go see the witch-doctor. That's why when we needed to get my immigration thing underway, we saw a lawyer.

@ Bellini, a flat rate? I can't remember if our lawyer charged us by the hour or not but in the end, it all cost like 3 grand.

BELLINI · Guru

luna chiquitita wrote:

@ Belli... yes but attached to lawyer consultations are lawyer fees! that's the problem. The first thing ppl think about are how much most lawyers charge. i worked for a lawyer back in the day that charged ppl $300/hr and I was the one processing the immigration files. he got the paychq and I got the work.

Wow, $300/hr! That's crazy! Who the heck where you working for? We don't charge by the hour, we give a flat rate. Altough, lawyer fees are more then an Immigration Consultant, in the end you know that your job will get done properly! Besides clients, i have many friends and a relative who went to a consultant first and got screwed over. In the end they spent more money then they would have if they had gone to a lawyer in the first place. I understand what you mean though, some people see the prices of a consultant and compare it with a lawyers fees and of course you know who they pick first.

Anyhoo, i just posted this because i know so many people that have gone to a consultant first and spent so much money, time and got no results. And trust me many of them went to those consultants that are well known in the spanish community!! I just feel bad and hate to see people get screwed over like that! I have seen too many clients cry and it breaks my heart! I love what i do and i love to help others!

@ DOGO and MC

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

luna chiquitita wrote:

@ Belli... yes but attached to lawyer consultations are lawyer fees! that's the problem. The first thing ppl think about are how much most lawyers charge. i worked for a lawyer back in the day that charged ppl $300/hr and I was the one processing the immigration files. he got the paychq and I got the work.

Such a lawyers thing.

$300/hr. no wonder ppl. get screwed.

luna chiquitita · TOP Guru

@ Belli... yes but attached to lawyer consultations are lawyer fees! that's the problem. The first thing ppl think about are how much most lawyers charge. i worked for a lawyer back in the day that charged ppl $300/hr and I was the one processing the immigration files. he got the paychq and I got the work.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

si ud tiene problemas de immigracion...

llame a la Angelita, ella tiene la solucion!!!!!

Dogo · Comandante

BELLINI wrote:

YOU KNOW WHAT BUGS ME.....IT'S WHEN I KNOW PEOPLE GO TO IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS. THAT'S A BIG MISTAKE!! UNFORTUNATELY WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE HERE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO OR WHAT TO DO. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE, MAKE SURE YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT AN IMMIGRATION LAWYER IS THE BEST WAY TO GO AS OPPOSED TO A IMMIGRATION CONSULTANT! I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH ON HOW MUCH POSITIVE FEEDBACK YOU'LL GET WITH A LAWYER. WE HAVE HAD SO MANY CLIENTS THAT HAVE GONE TO A CONSULTANT AND GOT SCREWED OVER. THAT'S WHEN THEY COME TO US AND OUR LAWYERS WORK HARD ON FIXING THEIR CASES. ANYHOO, I JUST WANTED TO POST THIS AFTER I SAW AN AD ON THE 'TH' HOMEPAGE FOR AN IMMIGRATION CONSULTANT!

IF YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO NEEDS INFORMATION ON ANY IMMIGRATION QUESTIONS, JUST PM ME!!! OUR LAWYERS ARE RATED THE BEST IN CANADA AND VERY WELL KNOWN IN THE REFUGEE BOARD!

-- Edited by BELLINI at 15:53, 2006-09-26

BELLINI · Guru

YOU KNOW WHAT BUGS ME.....IT'S WHEN I KNOW PEOPLE GO TO IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS. THAT'S A BIG MISTAKE!! UNFORTUNATELY WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE HERE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO OR WHAT TO DO. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE, MAKE SURE YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT AN IMMIGRATION LAWYER IS THE BEST WAY TO GO AS OPPOSED TO A IMMIGRATION CONSULTANT! I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH ON HOW MUCH POSITIVE FEEDBACK YOU'LL GET WITH A LAWYER. WE HAVE HAD SO MANY CLIENTS THAT HAVE GONE TO A CONSULTANT AND GOT SCREWED OVER. THAT'S WHEN THEY COME TO US AND OUR LAWYERS WORK HARD ON FIXING THEIR CASES. ANYHOO, I JUST WANTED TO POST THIS AFTER I SAW AN AD ON THE 'TH' HOMEPAGE FOR AN IMMIGRATION CONSULTANT!

IF YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO NEEDS INFORMATION ON ANY IMMIGRATION QUESTIONS, JUST PM ME!!! OUR LAWYERS ARE RATED THE BEST IN CANADA AND VERY WELL KNOWN IN THE REFUGEE BOARD!

-- Edited by BELLINI at 15:53, 2006-09-26

Molson · Regular Plus

i will report anyone that is breaking the law and if that person is an ILEGAL well i am sorry.

One question i don't know why the ILEGALS tell everyone that they are ILEGALS- hey one advise SHUP UP nobody should know your status. work hard and make sure you don't brake the law - besides being ilegal -

torontotrucho · Guru

I came to Canada by plane and with all legal papers.

But I also know some professional girls from South America who really deserve to live here,yet are here . There are some illegals who are into crime, but most of them are here to make a buck. I've been a canadian citizen for more then 15 years, but when I see a new comer I don't see much difference, we are both immigrants with a need to live here whatever the reason.

So I would'nt report an illegal, especially a mi raza, I would give them advice on how to become legal here if possible. I probably had come here even if I hadn't got those papers anyways.

I don't think is my job to do so anyways. Besides, most of us are from emmigrant producing countries, I don't think we have the moral rigth to behave like people who's lived in this country for centuries. Just go up north to one of those little towns, people's looks will remind you or your parents once came from another planet.

MellowManC · Guru

Panchito: When i came to canada i was on the political refugee flex, never illegal though... as for my family, damn!! un desmadre de primos here and in the US... and they continously get deported and keep coming back, 2-3 months later, then they get deported maybe 2 years or so later when people SNITCH ON THEM!!!!..

as for friends...damn, i have a sh!!tload of friends ke son del pedo ilegal. Y no es por nada, pero ninguno de ellos anda con babosadas, each of them work hard and many of them have wives and kids back home, and are making money to keep them healthy.... just likeka good provider does for his family.

Would you want your husband to be deported if you were in that situation?

Lahtina · Guru

Dogo wrote:

*cough* you mean "anything"

Anyway, your brother is in Iraq? really?

Stuuuuupid Mac! I swear on the life of my cat that I added "<--- Bad English on purpose " after that comment. Why didn't it appear? Bah! Anyway, shaddap, you; I'm a language guru.

And yes, he is in Iraq. Haven't heard from him lately because he's supposed to be on "a 20 day mission". WTF? I hate "missions". "Missions" doesn't sound good at all.

Dogo · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

God wrote:

After reading the whole thread let me ask you something...Nobody in the foro has been ever Ilegal ?
or Ilegal Friends or Family members ??

Gimmie a Break !

In Canada no, never. In the US... hello???!!! Very much so... twice even. But if I had never been an illegal immigrant, I would not be where I am today. So, I think my parents' choice was for the best. No one in my immediate family is an illegal immigrant anywhere anymore. And my poor brother is in Iraq so I don't think we owe no one nothing.

*cough* you mean "anything"

Anyway, your brother is in Iraq? really?

Lahtina · Guru

God wrote:

After reading the whole thread let me ask you something...Nobody in the foro has been ever Ilegal ?
or Ilegal Friends or Family members ??

Gimmie a Break !

In Canada no, never. In the US... hello???!!! Very much so... twice even. But if I had never been an illegal immigrant, I would not be where I am today. So, I think my parents' choice was for the best. No one in my immediate family is an illegal immigrant anywhere anymore. And my poor brother is in Iraq

so I don't think we owe no one nothing.

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

God wrote:

After reading the whole thread let me ask you something...Nobody in the foro has been ever Ilegal ?
or Ilegal Friends or Family members ??

Gimmie a Break !

I have never been Illegal n I don't have any illegal family in Canada, but I have a few (3) illegal friends....

God · Foro Master

After reading the whole thread let me ask you something...Nobody in the foro has been ever Ilegal ?
or Ilegal Friends or Family members ??

Gimmie a Break !

soloyo · Regular Plus

Marky Mark wrote:

Good reason? Well every single one of my family members went through the legal process; filed the papers, payed the fees, waited in their country of origin etc etc... They all pay taxes if applicable, they all vote if applicable.

If I can't get a free ride, why should illegals?

I am sure that they would all love to file and pay for their papers but the sad reality of the matter is that when they do that they get denied. It's better to live a life as an illegal immigrant and get paid peanuts in western wages to send money back home then to live in poverty in another nation.

Most people do it because they have no choice.

MellowManC · Guru

Canadian eh · Regular Plus

GENIE wrote:

luis camilo wrote:

Immigration raids make a ghost town in Georgia

STILLMORE, Georgia (AP) -- Trailer parks lie abandoned. The poultry plant is scrambling to replace more than half its workforce. Business has dried up at stores where Mexican laborers once lined up to buy food, beer and cigarettes just weeks ago.

This Georgia community of about 1,000 people has become little more than a ghost town since September 1, when federal agents began rounding up illegal immigrants.

No i wouldnt!! Why report them what do i gain from it besides sending home a family who are here to better there childrens future!

I think people that would are selfish and dont realize that its not that easy, How are they not paying taxes you mean thru work cuz they get paid cash! So what they pay taxes when they buy stuff its not like there at home waiting for there papers collecting government checks at least there working!

Half the homes that most of us live in wouldnt of been built if it wasnt for illegal aliens or immigrants waiting for there papers.

Many ppl think oh just apply what if they dont qualify then what? tough luck for them why? Seriously most of us take our status for granted! untill u have lived it first hand i dont think your opinions would be the same!

The reason many illegal work in construction its because they agree to do the job for less, there are a many LEGAL canadian that don't get the construction contract because they don't agree to do it for LESS, so in a way ILEGALS are hurting the LEGAL canadians.

THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN that not many people talk about it.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

I wouldn't and I think that those of you who have been sucked into the system and become "robots" would....because you feel cheated.....well, boo hoo!

Just live and let live.....holy!

I know many of you know someone ilegal and I know you try to help them in every way possible not to get caught.....true or not true?

As much as I agree with some of the points......I feel like puking at the other reactions......

If the system needs to toughen up.....and the system needs to change and the system is being abused.....the system, the system, the system.......DO SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT.....BUT DON'T BE A SNITCH! .....

God forbid something happens....and you alll have to find refuge in another country and those people start snitching on you.....even IF you're abusing their system......we're all scammers in our own way, always looking for a bargain....some people just have the balls to take it a further step....but oh wait! Most of you are here looking for a better life.....so just Shhhhhhssshhhh and concentrate on your own lives (even if "legally").....y dejense de meter con los vecinos.....

You made your choice now let others make their choice.....

"SURVIVOR OF THE FITTEST" ....that's all it is.....

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

IF THE PERSON DOES ANYTHING 2 ME HELL YEAH OTHER WISE HELL NAH, I KNOW A FEW PPL WITH NO PAPELES EVEN THIS CLOW THAT GOT IN MY NERVS BUT I DON’T THINK I CAN DO IT………

Lahtina · Guru

I don't know, I don't, I don't know!!!! I might because of all the points that MM has outlined and what Guada has said but at the same time... bah! No, I couldn't. And certainly not to settle any personal scores - that's so unscrupulous.

The only people I MIGHT report are those who avoid paying taxes.

ETA: Oh, oh and those illegal immigrants who were also criminals and not illegal-immigration criminal-y.

-- Edited by Lahtina at 22:40, 2006-09-20

Guadalupana · Foro Master

I voted yes, but only because it was the lowest denomination, and i don't like lower, i like equality. Democracy is what makes a nation a place we call home. But mostly i voted yes, because i wanted to see what the results were. Otherwise, i don't think i'd do anything about the actual situation.

Si la mosca no esta en mi sopa....

luis camilo · Regular Plus

I would report it only if is extremely necesary, but for working people that are trying to build a better futuro for their families NEVER.

Daeveed · Foro Master

It depends.

If they are affecting my life in any kind of negative way (according to me), then I would report them.

GENIE · Foro Master

Marky Mark wrote:

@Genie, (and please don't feel I'm picking on you specifically but you raised some good points.) you better not be!!! lol

Paying sales tax and GST is minor compared to the thousands we give the government through work. You kidding me? I would love to take home an extra $500+ every paycheck if it meant i didn't have to pay taxes.Im sure all of us would love too, however keep in mind that because of these taxes we get what they dont!! FREE HEALTHCARE, UNEMPLOYMENT WE LOOSE OUR JOBS ITS OK WE JUST FILL OUT A FORM AND VOILA!! WE GET TO RETIRE HERE AND GET WHATS THAT CALLED A PENTION. So in a way those extra $500bucks are not all that great to bring home if u truly think about it!

Yes a lot of construction was built by illegals. But I wonder how many Canadians (and I mean Canadians of all races) lost out on bids because illegal immigrants would undercut them because they have no overhead to pay? Thats not so true! I have two uncles and a brother who all have construction companies and all have legal ppl working for them and guess what all the CANADIANS you speak of want to get paid cash and bla bla bla so truthfuly there are alot of CANADIANS WORKING THESE TRADE JOBS JUST UNDER THE TABLE so truthfully they are smarter then the illegals! why cus they are claiming unemployment and or disability and still working CASH! SO THATS BS THEY JUST KNOW HOW TO SUCKER THE SYSTEM BETTER!!

If they apply for status and don't get it then what? Then they don't get in. The problem is the system has been abused for so long that all these rules and regs have been put into place and now decent people, even those without a good income as Miguel mentioned, can't get in. WHY THEN WHO CARES RIGHT! BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CANADIAN CHILDREN THEY HAVE? OR HOW CAN THE GOVERNMENT KNOW IN A YEAR IF THERE ENTIRE LIVES WERE OR ARE AT RISK BACK HOME! DO U KNOW THE HALF ASS RESEARCH THESE PPL DO!

I KNEW A GIRL IN ELEMENTRY WHOS PARENTS WERE ILLEGAL ALIENS NEEDLESS TO SAY SO WAS SHE SO THEY GOT DEPORTED, THEY HAD APPLIED BECAUSE HER DAD WAS A POLITIAN AND WELL NEXT THING U KNOW SHE GOES BACK HER SISTER GETS KIDNAPPED AND MURDERED AND THEN THE CANADIAN GOVERMENT EXTENDS THERE HANDS OUT AND SAYS OH WERE HERE TO HELP U!! FAWK THAT!!!

BELLINI · Guru

Julie wrote:

Well this is a very delicate subject.

I don't think I would but I understand M&M's point of view. I've personally went through the process twice and all my family did too before me. Many times being illegal is "kind of the easy way out" :notomatoeplease: I am saying that because I truly believe that if you want to make it, it is possible and you don't have to put your life and often the life of your family @ risk. But @ the end, what do you have, nothing, you've just been loosing your time, so really, under any angle you're looking at it, it make no sense being illegal.

Please don't tell me that if pple are able to spend 100 of $ in booze they can't save it for their papers ......Yes it takes time and so what !

But at the end, I think we need them and they need us. Illegal will never desapear and are part of the econom that we also need to keep ours balanced.

I mean if governements woul have really wanted to get rid of them, they would have......same thing wih arms and drugs, etc....

-- Edited by Julie at 10:05, 2006-09-20

Both you and MM makes some sense, but let me tell you..... it's NOT easy for some people to get landed as a permanent resident in Canada.

Some people don't have to education, work experience etc.., to get accepted by Immigration Canada. Other's don't have a strong Refugee case. Other's get married with a person with status, but sometimes it's hard to prove to Immigration that the marriage is genuine and then they end up losing and get deported back.

What i'm trying to say is that, there are many ways to get landed, but for some people either they do not meet the requirements and to others they don't have a strong case to win. So unfortunately most of illegal people have not choice but to stay illegal. They are not as fortunate as others.

I've seen some cases lose and i wish i could have done something for them, but when there is no case, then there is not much you can do. In those cases, i have seen the lawyers make sure that the process takes long and gives the poeple more time here in Canada to work etc. One example..... one of our clients was going through so much process to get landed and it was hard to convince Immigration that she was in danger if she returned to her country of origin. But in the end she struggled so much that it was her that decided to forget it and go back home. Altough she had a weak case, our lawyer had the abilities to win it. Unfortunately she couldn't take it anymore.

Anyhoo, i would NOT report a illegal person!

And of course there are those that abuse the system and get away with it. For example... i know of a guy who said he was gay and that it was not allowed in his town. That if he returned to his country he would get killed. Blah Blah Blah but what is he doing now....... he's married to a woman. HE lied and got landed as a permanent resident. Because of cases like these, the system has become more strict.

-- Edited by BELLINI at 10:52, 2006-09-20

Marky Mark · Foro Master

@Genie, (and please don't feel I'm picking on you specifically but you raised some good points.)

Paying sales tax and GST is minor compared to the thousands we give the government through work. You kidding me? I would love to take home an extra $500+ every paycheck if it meant i didn't have to pay taxes.

Yes a lot of construction was built by illegals. But I wonder how many Canadians (and I mean Canadians of all races) lost out on bids because illegal immigrants would undercut them because they have no overhead to pay?

If they apply for status and don't get it then what? Then they don't get in. The problem is the system has been abused for so long that all these rules and regs have been put into place and now decent people, even those without a good income as Miguel mentioned, can't get in.

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Julie wrote:

Well this is a very delicate subject.

I don't think I would but I understand M&M's point of view. I've personally went through the process twice and all my family did too before me. Many times being illegal is "kind of the easy way out" :notomatoeplease: I am saying that because I truly believe that if you want to make it, it is possible and you don't have to put your life and often the life of your family @ risk. But @ the end, what do you have, nothing, you've just been loosing your time, so really, under any angle you're looking at it, it make no sense being illegal.

Please don't tell me that if pple are able to spend 100 of $ in booze they can't save it for their papers ......Yes it takes time and so what !

But at the end, I think we need them and they need us. Illegal will never desapear and are part of the econom that we also need to keep ours balanced.

I mean if governements woul have really wanted to get rid of them, they would have......same thing wih arms and drugs, etc....

-- Edited by Julie at 10:05, 2006-09-20

You're right. This is actually a very delicate subject. There are many reasons why people stay here illegally. And trust me, sometimes being here illegally is not as peachy as it might appear (talking from experience). I wouldn't report anyone one just for that heck of reporting them to immigration, even if they're ass-holes, only because I believe in Karma. If they're criminals and I witness a crime, I'd call the police and they'll know how to deal with this. Sometimes coming here illegally is THE ONLY way to come. I don't know. I could go on and on about this but I'm not in the mood right now.

DON CHELO · Guru

YES I HAVE AND I'LL DO IT AGAIN IF I HAD TOO!!!

careguea · Senior Member

only if they were into selling drugs/weapons or commiting crimes... but I would not rat on the good folks. There are alot of good people here that do not have status b/c of immigration Canada's inefficiencies, and they end up doing under the table jobs and getting abused by the ones who employ them. If immigration Canada was quicker and more objective when processing work permits, then i'd be all for ratting the illegals out, but unfortunately this is not the case.

-- Edited by careguea at 10:29, 2006-09-20

miguel · TOP Guru

Julie wrote:

miguel wrote:

what about those people that don't qualify for status because they don't have the necessary education / are not refugees?

why do we only take educated people these days when we obviously need janitors, construction workers, cleaners, etc?

i know people who are here illegally cleaning... i wouldn't report them, hey no one else wants to do those jobs and our government is not letting people come in to do them legally.

See, that's a REAL problem. they give papers "exotic dancers" and not to other profession (I am not kidding, it's a big thing in QC)

The law need a to be reformed. I thought they were working on something ? Unfortunately it takes time.

that's right. the system is broken, it is too education based and does not address some of the country's needs (low wage laborers)

until they fix the system, i won't complain about illegal immigration much.

Julie · Comandante

miguel wrote:

what about those people that don't qualify for status because they don't have the necessary education / are not refugees?

why do we only take educated people these days when we obviously need janitors, construction workers, cleaners, etc?

i know people who are here illegally cleaning... i wouldn't report them, hey no one else wants to do those jobs and our government is not letting people come in to do them legally.

See, that's a REAL problem. they give papers "exotic dancers" and not to other profession (I am not kidding, it's a big thing in QC)

The law need a to be reformed. I thought they were working on something ? Unfortunately it takes time.

God · Foro Master

miguel wrote:

what about those people that don't qualify for status because they don't have the necessary education / are not refugees?

why do we only take educated people these days when we obviously need janitors, construction workers, cleaners, etc?

i know people who are here illegally cleaning... i wouldn't report them, hey no one else wants to do those jobs and our government is not letting people come in to do them legally.

And strippers....remember couple years ago Canada sent Immigration Officers to Romania to hire Adult Entertainers aka strippers because we didn't have enough Local Talent.....I understand we need to entertain Canadian married men, but from our Taxes ?

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-- Edited by God at 10:21, 2006-09-20

GENIE · Foro Master

luis camilo wrote:

Immigration raids make a ghost town in Georgia

STILLMORE, Georgia (AP) -- Trailer parks lie abandoned. The poultry plant is scrambling to replace more than half its workforce. Business has dried up at stores where Mexican laborers once lined up to buy food, beer and cigarettes just weeks ago.

This Georgia community of about 1,000 people has become little more than a ghost town since September 1, when federal agents began rounding up illegal immigrants.

No i wouldnt!! Why report them what do i gain from it besides sending home a family who are here to better there childrens future!

I think people that would are selfish and dont realize that its not that easy, How are they not paying taxes you mean thru work cuz they get paid cash! So what they pay taxes when they buy stuff its not like there at home waiting for there papers collecting government checks at least there working!

Half the homes that most of us live in wouldnt of been built if it wasnt for illegal aliens or immigrants waiting for there papers.

Many ppl think oh just apply what if they dont qualify then what? tough luck for them why? Seriously most of us take our status for granted! untill u have lived it first hand i dont think your opinions would be the same!

miguel · TOP Guru

what about those people that don't qualify for status because they don't have the necessary education / are not refugees?

why do we only take educated people these days when we obviously need janitors, construction workers, cleaners, etc?

i know people who are here illegally cleaning... i wouldn't report them, hey no one else wants to do those jobs and our government is not letting people come in to do them legally.

Julie · Comandante

Well this is a very delicate subject.

I don't think I would but I understand M&M's point of view. I've personally went through the process twice and all my family did too before me. Many times being illegal is "kind of the easy way out" :notomatoeplease: I am saying that because I truly believe that if you want to make it, it is possible and you don't have to put your life and often the life of your family @ risk. But @ the end, what do you have, nothing, you've just been loosing your time, so really, under any angle you're looking at it, it make no sense being illegal.

Please don't tell me that if pple are able to spend 100 of $ in booze they can't save it for their papers ......Yes it takes time and so what !

But at the end, I think we need them and they need us. Illegal will never desapear and are part of the econom that we also need to keep ours balanced.

I mean if governements woul have really wanted to get rid of them, they would have......same thing wih arms and drugs, etc....

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McOSIRIS · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

True. But let's face it, I wouldn't know who to call anyway.
There's probably an illegal hotline but they don't advertise it.

but dude!!!

if it wasn't for illegal aliens we wouldn't have free satellite TV or 2 bux DVDs...not to mention mod chips in playstations...

Marky Mark · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

Mimi... ur an ass....

True. But let's face it, I wouldn't know who to call anyway.

There's probably an illegal hotline but they don't advertise it.

Pelon` · Guru

I would only and when the person did harm to my loved ones. Then prepare yourself!

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Mimi... ur an ass....