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if u need a shirt why didn't u say something about the jersey I could have got u one

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

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Jade wrote: JOKER_ESCO wrote: WELL I THINK MY AVATAR TALKS 4 ME        NICE AVATAR!! I like it!      I agree I honestly would go for Argentina first before Brazil...just cuz of the whole LATIN AMERICAN THING...but I dunno..they both good teams..Brazil would be my fave NON HISPANIC team.  but if it came down to like ENGLAND OR BRAZIL I would choose Brazil because we have some kind of common ground....or Poland and Costa...I would cheer on Costa Rica Just because we are latin americans Even though I am not from those  latin american countries! Oh by the way I am so proud to see all these flags waving in the air on cars! its so cool... Oh and I was driving..and I ve never seen this yet but I seen a car with an AMERICAN FLAG waving in the air.... Ummmmm   anyone rooting for USA??   THANK U JADE YEAH IS REALLY NICE     @NENA: HERE I GOT SOME AVARS DE ECUADOR 4 U    

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 HEY, I LOVE YOUR AVATAR!!!

 

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

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WELL I THINK MY AVATAR TALKS 4 ME

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       NICE AVATAR!! I like it!

     I agree I honestly would go for Argentina first before Brazil...just cuz of the whole LATIN AMERICAN THING...but I dunno..they both good teams..Brazil would be my fave NON HISPANIC team.

 but if it came down to like ENGLAND OR BRAZIL I would choose Brazil because we have some kind of common ground....or Poland and Costa...I would cheer on Costa Rica Just because we are latin americans Even though I am not from those  latin american countries!

Oh by the way I am so proud to see all these flags waving in the air on cars! its so cool...

Oh and I was driving..and I ve never seen this yet but I seen a car with an AMERICAN FLAG waving in the air.... Ummmmm   anyone rooting for USA??

 

WELL I THINK MY AVATAR TALKS 4 ME

Dogo wrote:

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bistor wrote:
Dogo wrote: melanie wrote: I disagree Because most prof. soccer players play for other teams outside of their respective countries, I think it is only natural for people to become attached, enjoy, respect or follow the players who they love to watch.... Why shouldnt they continue to support the players they love so much and have watched throughout their career. You wouldnt be a good fan if you didnt continue to support these players. For me it isnt about the country as much as it is about the players and style of play. There are some teams who are really exciting to watch and others who I cant stand. This is however Trinidad's first time to the World Cup...SO who knows...I may replace my Brazilian Gear with T&T colors... Actually MOST don't play outside of their country.... many DO, yes I agree with you to a certain extentIf you develop a reasonable affinity for a certain team I suppose it's ok (I guess... maybe)... assuming you have some kind of LINK to this country, be it through a family member, a very good friend, your spouse etcBut I notice, for example, many Portuguese cheer for Brazil...... many don't even know where THE HELL BRAZIL IS!!!      -- Edited by Dogo at 09:32, 2006-06-08 The best players in the world, with very, very few exceptions play in Europe. This means the majority of the players in non-european teams will not play in their home countries. Even many of the players from european countries with weaker leagues, such as France, Netherlands and Germany will also play outside of home. I completely understand why the portuguese would root for Brazil. It's the same reason why many (most, I hope) spanish-speakers will root for a spanish-speaking country: having a common language and culture. In a contest between Ecuador and Poland, guess what? I'm rooting for Ecuador. Even though I've never been there. Who cares if the poles share the same continent as Spain. What on earth do I have in common with a guy from Gdansk named Smolarek? Why hispanics would root for Brazil is something I don't understand... I imagine it's the 'everyone loves a winner' factor. I don't buy the 'we're all latin american' argument. I'd sooner root for Paraguay, though Brazil and Portugal would probably be next, after the spanish-speakers.

Do you mean to say that MOST pro players playing in Italy are NOT Italian? or in Spain mostly not spaniard? or in France mostly not French? or... ?  (not challenging you... curious)
 
I don't think it's inappropiate for people to ROOT for countries other than their own.... the original question, however, was referring to what I/we thought about other nationalities going as far as wearing our jersey/waving our flag....I would most definitely ROOT for the last spanish speaking team left standing.... would I wear their jersey? no.. wave their flag? no............. and not because of a matter of "pride", but simply because I don't think I deserve to

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You can challenge me... we're all friends

Most pro-players in Italy (or Spain) are european. After the 1990 Bosman ruling, whereby any EU national could play, without limitations, in any EU country, I would be hard pressed to say that 'most' players in Serie A, or Primera Division are italian or spanish (respectively). Barcelona won this last Champions League Cup with five (5) spanish-born players. Their rivals, Arsenal, played with three (3) spanish-born players. The rest were from other european countries, and, yes, a few foreigners, though even the foreigners are quick to adopt EU nationality. Did you know Roberto Carlos is spanish? So is Ronaldo.

I do understand what you're saying, mind you. But I think you'll find that, in France's national squad (or the Netherlands, or Belgium's, or Germany's, or Sweden's) the majority of their players play outside of France (or the Netherlands, or Belgium, or Germany, or Sweden). The top players have to play outside of these countries: their leagues are too weak (ie. don't pay enough money). The same goes for the top players from Argentina, Mexico, Ecuador, Paraguay, Costa Rica, Brazil, etc., etc.

Evidently, the majority of the soccer players playing in Europe (particularly the lower divisions) are local. But the cream of the crop is international.

As to people wearing other jerseys... I don't know. I truly feel it when Spain wins (or, more often than not, loses ). The rest, I think I agree with you. I certainly want them to win. They will bring a smile to my face if they do. But there is no passion. It's more of a sympathy thing .

Though I personally would have no problem waving Costa Rica's (or Argentina's, or Ecuador's, or Mexico's or Paraguay's) flag if they were to win (or lose). Or wear their jersey. We're all, fundamentally, the same.

But that's my opinion.

¡A por el mundial!

bistor wrote:

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Dogo wrote: melanie wrote: I disagree Because most prof. soccer players play for other teams outside of their respective countries, I think it is only natural for people to become attached, enjoy, respect or follow the players who they love to watch.... Why shouldnt they continue to support the players they love so much and have watched throughout their career. You wouldnt be a good fan if you didnt continue to support these players. For me it isnt about the country as much as it is about the players and style of play. There are some teams who are really exciting to watch and others who I cant stand. This is however Trinidad's first time to the World Cup...SO who knows...I may replace my Brazilian Gear with T&T colors... Actually MOST don't play outside of their country.... many DO, yes I agree with you to a certain extentIf you develop a reasonable affinity for a certain team I suppose it's ok (I guess... maybe)... assuming you have some kind of LINK to this country, be it through a family member, a very good friend, your spouse etcBut I notice, for example, many Portuguese cheer for Brazil...... many don't even know where THE HELL BRAZIL IS!!!      -- Edited by Dogo at 09:32, 2006-06-08 The best players in the world, with very, very few exceptions play in Europe. This means the majority of the players in non-european teams will not play in their home countries. Even many of the players from european countries with weaker leagues, such as France, Netherlands and Germany will also play outside of home. I completely understand why the portuguese would root for Brazil. It's the same reason why many (most, I hope) spanish-speakers will root for a spanish-speaking country: having a common language and culture. In a contest between Ecuador and Poland, guess what? I'm rooting for Ecuador. Even though I've never been there. Who cares if the poles share the same continent as Spain. What on earth do I have in common with a guy from Gdansk named Smolarek? Why hispanics would root for Brazil is something I don't understand... I imagine it's the 'everyone loves a winner' factor. I don't buy the 'we're all latin american' argument. I'd sooner root for Paraguay, though Brazil and Portugal would probably be next, after the spanish-speakers.

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Do you mean to say that MOST pro players playing in Italy are NOT Italian? or in Spain mostly not spaniard? or in France mostly not French? or... ?  (not challenging you... curious)

 

I don't think it's inappropiate for people to ROOT for countries other than their own.... the original question, however, was referring to what I/we thought about other nationalities going as far as wearing our jersey/waving our flag....
I would most definitely ROOT for the last spanish speaking team left standing.... would I wear their jersey? no.. wave their flag? no............. and not because of a matter of "pride", but simply because I don't think I deserve to

Lahtina wrote:

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Surely you're not talking about the Mexicans though, right? Mexico has no good looking players! The only one remotely good looking is Oswaldo.

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Nooooo, I was talking about the nice guys that were on the plane

@ Jade, if it comes to Brazil vs England, it will be England all the way, good looking or not !

Jade wrote:

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UMMMM BUT how come EVERYBODY WEARS AND CHEERS BRAZIL EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT FROM BRAZIL? Seems like they are the only country that everyone cheers for and wears their colors and they seem to have no problem wit that..hmmm??? and youre right if an Ecuadorian or Argentinian saw a person wearing their jersey..eyah they'be like wtf why you wearing my jersey for...hmmm and maybe we just enjoy the mayority of your players or the way the team plays...  

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I'm just telling you how I feel... but I'm a bit odd, LOL

My guess is that everyone cheers for brazil because Brazil is favorite... every one wants to "part" of a winning team, I guess
See anyone going crazy to cheer Angola?!!

I tend to cheer for the underdogs... I love "small" teams doing at least mildly well, in the world cup

Jade wrote:

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Okay sorry...most people I should say..my bad. Okay in the end..if it comes down between BRAZIL and ENGLAND ,,,LETS JUST SAY...you wouldnt cheer on Brazil still???  

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Nope! I would cheer for England of course! Beckham, hello??!!

Jade wrote:

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UMMMM BUT how come EVERYBODY WEARS AND CHEERS BRAZIL EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT FROM BRAZIL? Seems like they are the only country that everyone cheers for and wears their colors and they seem to have no problem wit that..hmmm??? and youre right if an Ecuadorian or Argentinian saw a person wearing their jersey..eyah they'be like wtf why you wearing my jersey for...hmmm and maybe we just enjoy the mayority of your players or the way the team plays...  

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Everybody? Does this mean that Julie and I aren't part of everybody? We just said we're not cheering for Brazil.

Go Brazil and definatel go go go Soca Warriors (T & T).

Lahtina wrote:

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Julie wrote: Lahtina wrote: I will not be cheering for Brazil either. They're such World Cup trophy hogs. Give others a chance! Ohhhhhhhhhhh, you should have seen the pple in the flight from GDL to ATL, yesterday, at least they were fun and make us forget the huge delay   "Viva Mexico C............"     I wanna be in Mexico for World Cup. It's not the same here. Wait. Forget that! I'd rather be in Germany with a bunch of Mexicans.

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Yup, Mexico will be in Germany !!!!

Uyyyyyyyyyyy y que deleito para los ojos

Lahtina wrote:

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I will not be cheering for Brazil either. They're such World Cup trophy hogs. Give others a chance!

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Ohhhhhhhhhhh, you should have seen the pple in the flight from GDL to ATL, yesterday, at least they were fun and make us forget the huge delay

 

"Viva Mexico C............"

All the games will be on while I'll be at work

It is not just the same to see the re-dif. at night, so I guess a little radio will be a MUST have !

Cheering ???? Well, Francia of course even if I doubt they will go far, Mexico, whishing them the best and not to be to paysos on the field and then, every team that deserve it except Brazil (even if they have very good players and all)!

-- Edited by Julie at 09:03, 2006-06-08

melanie wrote:

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I disagree Because most prof. soccer players play for other teams outside of their respective countries, I think it is only natural for people to become attached, enjoy, respect or follow the players who they love to watch.... Why shouldnt they continue to support the players they love so much and have watched throughout their career. You wouldnt be a good fan if you didnt continue to support these players. For me it isnt about the country as much as it is about the players and style of play. There are some teams who are really exciting to watch and others who I cant stand. This is however Trinidad's first time to the World Cup...SO who knows...I may replace my Brazilian Gear with T&T colors...

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Actually MOST don't play outside of their country.... many DO, yes

I agree with you to a certain extent
If you develop a reasonable affinity for a certain team I suppose it's ok (I guess... maybe)... assuming you have some kind of LINK to this country, be it through a family member, a very good friend, your spouse etc
But I notice, for example, many Portuguese cheer for Brazil...... many don't even know where THE HELL BRAZIL IS!!!

 

 

 

-- Edited by Dogo at 09:32, 2006-06-08

I think Ecuador can get to the second round, but they pretty much have to beat the poles... which is won't be easy, but it's doable.

I'd be very surprised if Mexico wasn't able to get to the second round... in fact I'd say the odds are pretty good they'll qualify first in their group.

But I guess things will start to become clearer this friday

Dogo wrote:

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Frankly, I find it a bit silly for ANYONE wearing a jersey that is not from their country I’d probably be flattered (in a way) to see someone wearing our jersey, but I wouldn’t wear another country's jersey myself…. Not because I might feel like a “sell out” but a soccer jersey for most latins is just like a flag…..I’d almost feel disrespectful (or what’s the emotion I’m looking for?) to the nation I’m wearing the jersey from If I wore an Ecuadorian jersey and encountered an Ecuadorian and asked me “why the hell are you wearing our jersey!?” they’d probably have all the right to be a bit ticked offI would CHEER for them, but I wouldn’t wear their jersey, I don’t think that’s appropiate Let THEM enjoy THEIR virtues… no need for me to jump on THEIR band’s wagon  

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I totally agree with this.

 

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LGigolo wrote:

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About a third of Forolandia cheering for     SI SE PUEDE, SI SE PUEDE, SI SE PUEDE!!!

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Damn right que se puede

GENIE wrote:

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Jade wrote:     okay Why wouldnt you wear the Argentina Jersey??? I mean i would love to but it I  would feel weird! lol since I am not Argentinian..but how come people can cheer and claim for BRAZIL if they not even from there?!?!?! question para los Argentinos in here....what do you think about another person whos not Argentinian wearing an Argentinian jersey??? ummmmm I kinda torn at this point in time...I am gonna cheer for all the latin american countries until they are eliminated...but I am mostly torn between Argentina.&.Brazil.. but also Ecuador and CRC & Mexico...cuz i was born there...I would most love to wear Argentina...I dunno I have a weird attachment to them..all my real good friends are from there..soo i feel the need to support..,,but yeah...I think it will come down between Argentina and Brazil!  OMG i am almost nervous talking about my preference of team and the World Cup in a latin/hispanic forum...I wonder why?!!? lol  -- Edited by Jade at 13:44, 2006-06-06 I STATE THAT JUST FOR ONE FORO MEMBER WHO IS MY BESTFRIEND CONFU! SHES FROM ARGENTINA AND I CHEER FOR THEM SHE KNOWS ITS JUST AN INSIDE JOKE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US NO OFFENSE TO ANY ARGENTINOS! IT WAS MAINILY FOR HER!

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        Ahhh Okay!

Jade wrote:

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Well I know ive talked to some of my Argentinian friends and they refuse to start wearing the Argentina jersey until the games start...Something about...BAD LUCK apparently   Um you guys dont have weird superstitions do you? about games like these?  -- Edited by Jade at 14:07, 2006-06-06

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I refuse to believe in superstitions... it won't change the outcome of the games whether you put the flag a year in advance or don't put one up at all... TO ME, superstitions are for "old ladies"

Jade wrote:

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I would like to put a flag on my car ...and you know let it blow in the wind..but at this point I would have to put all 6 flags and that would just plain look silly!!! I seen tons of cars on my drive i nto work this morning with their flags..ITALIAN for the most part....and it was cool..cuz you can totally  start to feel the World Cup Excitement!!!  

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just put the ECUA flag on your car... lol

I have not put mine on yet, but thanksfor the idea... pulling it out today!

LGigolo wrote:

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 Anywayz, glad you're semi-cheering Ecuador too Seems that lots of Ecua support on this forum... just goes to show you de que pais veinen todos los vagos that hung around here

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i know...

GENIE wrote:

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Jade wrote: isnt this the kind of thing were Daeveed would say "NEED MORE OPTIONS"???? GOOOOOOOOOOOO...........             and     and            and         and          and        I am kinda undecided about Spain.... -- Edited by Jade at 17:16, 2006-06-05          SO TRUE GIRL!! AS LONG AS A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES MAKE IT YOU WILL GET ME CHEERING (YES EVEN FOR ECUA!! I GOT MY JERSAY IN HAND AND ALL) CAN U BELIEVE IT!! ALL I NEED IS THE ARGENTINA JERSEY BUT I DONT KNOW IF I WOULD ACTUALLY WEAR IT!! AND SORRY BUT I WOULD NEVER WEAR THE TICO JERSEY IF THEY PAYED ME!!!! BUT FOR NOW ITS JOGA BRAZIL JOGA!!!!

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      okay Why wouldnt you wear the Argentina Jersey??? I mean i would love to but it I  would feel weird! lol since I am not Argentinian..but how come people can cheer and claim for BRAZIL if they not even from there?!?!?!

question para los Argentinos in here....what do you think about another person whos not Argentinian wearing an Argentinian jersey???

ummmmm I kinda torn at this point in time...I am gonna cheer for all the latin american countries until they are eliminated...but I am mostly torn between Argentina.&.Brazil.. but also Ecuador and CRC & Mexico...cuz i was born there...I would most love to wear Argentina...I dunno I have a weird attachment to them..all my real good friends are from there..soo i feel the need to support..,,but yeah...I think it will come down between Argentina and Brazil!

 OMG i am almost nervous talking about my preference of team and the World Cup in a latin/hispanic forum...I wonder why?!!? lol

 

-- Edited by Jade at 13:44, 2006-06-06

GENIE wrote:

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Jade wrote: isnt this the kind of thing were Daeveed would say "NEED MORE OPTIONS"???? GOOOOOOOOOOOO...........             and     and            and         and          and        I am kinda undecided about Spain.... -- Edited by Jade at 17:16, 2006-06-05          SO TRUE GIRL!! AS LONG AS A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES MAKE IT YOU WILL GET ME CHEERING (YES EVEN FOR ECUA!! I GOT MY JERSAY IN HAND AND ALL) CAN U BELIEVE IT!! ALL I NEED IS THE ARGENTINA JERSEY BUT I DONT KNOW IF I WOULD ACTUALLY WEAR IT!! AND SORRY BUT I WOULD NEVER WEAR THE TICO JERSEY IF THEY PAYED ME!!!! BUT FOR NOW ITS JOGA BRAZIL JOGA!!!!

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pssstt... by any chance got hook ups for the new original Ecua Jerseys?

I got my Ecua (version old) Jersey and flag + flags of Brazil and Argentina... those the top 3 I cheer for.