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For those that feel that terrorists will only strike at the evil americans, and not nice canadians such as ourselves:

A well kept secret about the US/UK attack on Afghanistan is that it is clearly illegal.  It violates international law and the express words of the United Nations Charter.
As our young men are dying in Afghanistan in an ILLEGAL war .....Mr. Harper uses the backs of our young men for a photo op.  He won't shut up about how he supports the U.S on their pressence in Afghanistan and the so called war on terror.  He is saying this over and over in public.  He is not saying as the liberals did that we are only there as "peacekeepers" he is painting a new picture....trying to kiss some American ASS.
With this new goverment the perception of Canada is changing big time! 
I say get the hell out of Afghanistan....WTF are we sending our men/women there for to be killed anyway?
Don't get me wrong I am totally against terrorism but I feel what the US is doing in is also terrorism and all those who support it are supporting terrorism as well.
As for these men who stand accused of trying to kill innocent people....let's hope they rot in jail.  Let's hope all those who are killing innocent people around the world rot in jail....that will never happen though.  Terrorism is okay if it's the United States doing it.



Some posters appear to be unaware of the many UN resolutions backing the current afghan government, and the ISAF presence in that country.

ISAF stands for International Security Assistance Force. The US/UK did not invade Afghanistan. It was a UN-sanctioned multinational effort from day one, and counted with canadian participation from day one aswell. From October 2001, to be exact.

I will remind some posters that Canada, in October 2001, was governed by Jean Chretien.

I will further remind those posters that like to talk about legality, that the current afghan government was elected democratically, under UN supervised elections, unlike, oh, I don't know... the cuban government.

UN resolutions supporting international intervention in afghanistan: 1378 (2001), 1383 (2001), 1401 (2001), 1413 (2001), 1419 (2002), 1444 (2002), 1471 (2003), 1510 (2003), 1453 (2002), 1536 (2004), 1563 (2004), 1589 (2005) and 1623 (2005).

All of these resolutions are readily available online at the United Nations security council resolutions archive, for those that know how/want to read them.

For the benefit of the posters that like to talk about legality without knowing what legality was if it smacked them in the face, here is the most recent "illegal" UN resolution on the situation in afghanistan:


SECURITY COUNCIL EXTENDS INTERNATIONAL SECURITY FORCE IN AFGHANISTAN

UNTIL MID-OCTOBER 2006, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1623 (2005)

The Security Council, recognizing the challenges facing Afghanistan regarding the security situation in parts of the country, decided to extend the authorization of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) for a 12-month period beyond 13 October 2005.

Unanimously adopting resolution 1623 (2005), the Council, acting under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, authorized the Member States participating in the ISAF to take all necessary measures to fulfil its mandate.

Recognizing the need to strengthen ISAF, the Council called upon Member States to contribute personnel, equipment and other resources to the Force and to make contributions to the Trust Fund established pursuant to resolution 1386 (2001).

In implementing the Force’s mandate, the Council also called upon the Force to continue to work in close consultation with Afghanistan’s Government, the Secretary-General’s Special Representative, as well as with the Operation Enduring Freedom Coalition.

Expressing its appreciation to Italy for taking over the lead from Turkey in commanding the Force and to those nations who contributed to Eurocorps, the Council recognized with gratitude the contributions of many nations to the Force.

The meeting began at 10:15 a.m. and adjourned at 10:20 a.m.

Council Resolution

The complete text of resolution 1623 (2005) reads, as follows:

“The Security Council,

“Reaffirming its previous resolutions on Afghanistan, in particular its resolutions 1386 (2001) of 20 December 2001, 1413 (2002) of 23 May 2002, 1444 (2002) of 27 November 2002, 1510 (2003) of 13 October 2003 and 1563 (2004) of 17 September 2004,

“Reaffirming its strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and national unity of Afghanistan,

“Reaffirming also its resolutions 1368 (2001) of 12 September 2001 and 1373 (2001) of 28 September 2001 and reiterating its support for international efforts to root out terrorism in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

“Recognizing that the responsibility for providing security and law and order throughout the country resides with the Afghans themselves, and welcoming the cooperation of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan with the International Security Assistance Force,

“Recalling the importance of the Bonn Agreement and the Berlin Declaration, in particular annex 1 of the Bonn Agreement which, inter alia, provides for the progressive expansion of the International Security Assistance Force to other urban centres and other areas beyond Kabul,

“Stressing also the importance of extending central government authority to all parts of Afghanistan, of respect for democratic values, of full completion of the disarmament, demobilization and reintegration process, of the disbandment of illegal armed groups, of justice sector reform, of security sector reform including reconstitution of the Afghan National Army and Police, and of combating narcotics trade and production, and recognizing certain progress that has been made in these and other areas with the help of the international community,

“Recognizing the challenges facing Afghanistan with regard to the security situation in parts of the country,

“Welcoming in this context the commitment by NATO lead nations to establish further Provincial Reconstruction Teams (PRTs),

“Further welcoming the role played by the International Security Assistance Force and the Operation Enduring Freedom Coalition in assisting in securing the conduct of national elections,

“Expressing its appreciation to Italy for taking over the lead from Turkey in commanding the International Security Assistance Force, and to those nations who contributed to Eurocorps, and recognizing with gratitude the contributions of many nations to the International Security Assistance Force,

“Taking note of the letter dated 1 September 2005 from Dr. Abdullah Abdullah, Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (S/2005/574, annex),

“Determining that the situation in Afghanistan still constitutes a threat to international peace and security,

“Determined to ensure the full implementation of the mandate of the International Security Assistance Force, in consultation with the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan,

“Acting for these reasons under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,

“1. Decides to extend the authorization of the International Security Assistance Force, as defined in resolution 1386 (2001) and 1510 (2003), for a period of twelve months beyond 13 October 2005;

“2. Authorizes the Member States participating in the International Security Assistance Force to take all necessary measures to fulfil its mandate;

“3. Recognizes the need to strengthen the International Security Assistance Force, and in this regard calls upon Member States to contribute personnel, equipment and other resources to the International Security Assistance Force, and to make contributions to the Trust Fund established pursuant to resolution 1386 (2001);

“4. Calls upon the International Security Assistance Force to continue to work in close consultation with the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and the Special Representative of the Secretary-General, as well as with the Operation Enduring Freedom Coalition in the implementation of the Force mandate;

“5. Requests the leadership of the International Security Assistance Force to provide quarterly reports on implementation of its mandate to the Security Council through the Secretary-General;

“6. Decides to remain actively seized of the matter.”




As to certain posters implying that blowing up Canada's parliament, and the mass murder of canadian civilians, is somehow justified by ANYTHING going on in Aghanistan, I can only say I have contempt for your views.







-- Edited by bistor at 00:28, 2006-06-07

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Didn't you stab someone in the throat? 

No I didn't actually do that  That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to  Oh no watch this forum will be monitored by like the CIA or something and I'll get arrested for saying I want to stab someone in the throat


JUST FOR THE RECORD:  I Chilenita would never stab anyone in the throat!  Not even nutty politicians that destroy entire countries and ruin the lives of thousands..wait make that millions of people!



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  Chilena tenia que ser!!! good post!  


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Don't get me wrong I am totally against terrorism but I feel what the US is doing in is also terrorism and all those who support it are supporting terrorism as well.
As for these men who stand accused of trying to kill innocent people....let's hope they rot in jail.  Let's hope all those who are killing innocent people around the world rot in jail....that will never happen though.  Terrorism is okay if it's the United States doing it.


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A well kept secret about the US/UK attack on Afghanistan is that it is clearly illegal.  It violates international law and the express words of the United Nations Charter. As our young men are dying in Afghanistan in an ILLEGAL war .....Mr. Harper uses the backs of our young men for a photo op.  He won't shut up about how he supports the U.S on their pressence in Afghanistan and the so called war on terror.  He is saying this over and over in public.  He is not saying as the liberals did that we are only there as "peacekeepers" he is painting a new picture....trying to kiss some American ASS. With this new goverment the perception of Canada is changing big time!  I say get the hell out of Afghanistan....WTF are we sending our men/women there for to be killed anyway? Don't get me wrong I am totally against terrorism but I feel what the US is doing in is also terrorism and all those who support it are supporting terrorism as well. As for these men who stand accused of trying to kill innocent people....let's hope they rot in jail.  Let's hope all those who are killing innocent people around the world rot in jail....that will never happen though.  Terrorism is okay if it's the United States doing it.


 



Chilena tenia que ser!!!


good post!


 



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bistor wrote:

For those that feel that terrorists will only strike at the evil americans, and not nice canadians such as ourselves:

A well kept secret about the US/UK attack on Afghanistan is that it is clearly illegal.  It violates international law and the express words of the United Nations Charter.


As our young men are dying in Afghanistan in an ILLEGAL war .....Mr. Harper uses the backs of our young men for a photo op.  He won't shut up about how he supports the U.S on their pressence in Afghanistan and the so called war on terror.  He is saying this over and over in public.  He is not saying as the liberals did that we are only there as "peacekeepers" he is painting a new picture....trying to kiss some American ASS.


With this new goverment the perception of Canada is changing big time! 


I say get the hell out of Afghanistan....WTF are we sending our men/women there for to be killed anyway?


Don't get me wrong I am totally against terrorism but I feel what the US is doing in is also terrorism and all those who support it are supporting terrorism as well.


As for these men who stand accused of trying to kill innocent people....let's hope they rot in jail.  Let's hope all those who are killing innocent people around the world rot in jail....that will never happen though.  Terrorism is okay if it's the United States doing it.



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JOKER_ESCO wrote: DAMN THIS IS MESS UP, NOW THAT I HAVE MOVE 2 NORTH YORK I RIDE THE SUBWAY EVERY DAY I don't think the TTC was a target. The kind of bombs they would have made with the material they were making (amonium nitrate + fuel oil) are pretty bulky. More suited for car bombs. The CN Tower, Peace Tower/Parliament buildings in Ottawa and the Toronto stock exchange were targets though.
I don't think the Police n the Gov. Wants u 2 know that, Therefore they had 2 asure the public so it won't cause panic, but the ttc is n ease target.

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Ummmmm I ve heard things like..that there are threats of bombing that may happen at the World Cup...anyone else heard bout this? and do ya'll think its possible? that would totally suck if this happened...



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DAMN THIS IS MESS UP, NOW THAT I HAVE MOVE 2 NORTH YORK I RIDE THE SUBWAY EVERY DAY


I don't think the TTC was a target. The kind of bombs they would have made with the material they were making (amonium nitrate + fuel oil) are pretty bulky. More suited for car bombs.

The CN Tower, Peace Tower/Parliament buildings in Ottawa and the Toronto stock exchange were targets though.

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DAMN THIS IS MESS UP, NOW THAT I HAVE MOVE 2 NORTH YORK I RIDE THE SUBWAY EVERY DAY

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:     I am, i've told him to tell people that he's closed for bussiness
    ... u're bad.... pobre my little Duro...

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El Duro wrote: I told Little Duro to stop doing the bombs untill it calms down  LMAO... i know.. keep an eye on him!!!  

 


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I told Little Duro to stop doing the bombs untill it calms down

 LMAO... i know.. keep an eye on him!!!


 



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NeNa wrote: The TTC, Peace Tower, and the Parliament Building were also targets..!!!!! Wow.. talk about.. planning..!!!!  Hopefully they will arrest whoever is involved in these terrorist ideas..(attacks)...     I told Little Duro to stop doing the bombs untill it calms down


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The TTC, Peace Tower, and the Parliament Building were also targets..!!!!! Wow.. talk about.. planning..!!!!  Hopefully they will arrest whoever is involved in these terrorist ideas..(attacks)...  

 


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The TTC, Peace Tower, and the Parliament Building were also targets..!!!!!


Wow.. talk about.. planning..!!!!  Hopefully they will arrest whoever is involved in these terrorist ideas..(attacks)...


 



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More arrests could be coming, says RCMP



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More arrests could be coming in the terror investigation, says the RCMP, as reports suggest that the Peace Tower and CN Tower were among the alleged targets.


Details about the case are beginning to emerge, just days after 17 suspected Islamic terrorists were taken into custody following the delivery of three tonnes of ammonium nitrate.


Mike McDonell, the assistant RCMP commissioner on the investigation, was asked this morning if more people could be taken into custody.


"I think that's fair to say, yes, that they will," McDonell told CTV's CanadaAM.


"We're following every investigative lead that we have right now. And anybody that was involved in aiding, facilitating or participating in this terrorist threat will be arrested."


As for targets, police have only officially said they were in southern Ontario. However, McDonell assured the public that Toronto's transit system was never in harm's way.


"There have been numerous threats and incidents involved around the TTC in the last couple of weeks, and just to put people at ease, we gave that information up," said McDonell.


A report in Monday's Globe and Mail says the Peace Tower and Parliament buildings in Ottawa were among the alleged terror targets.


The downtown offices of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the CN Tower and Toronto Stock Exchange were also the focus of an alleged bomb plot, the newspaper says.


McDonell wouldn't say how long the investigation went on before the raids took place a few days ago in Toronto and Mississauga.


"It was a very complex and intensive investigation with well over 400 resources involved in it, (and) thousands of hours of work."


Monitoring chat rooms


A report in the Toronto Star says CSIS began monitoring an Internet chat room in fall of 2004 after a group of disaffected youths began espousing anti-Western views.


The RCMP was brought into the case on Nov. 17, 2004, by CSIS after the agency thought it had enough information to warrant a criminal investigation, says the Star.


This winter, Ontario's police forces and Toronto Mayor David Miller were alerted to the investigation as intelligence analysts began to get more and more concerned about the group.


The raids took place after the RCMP intercepted the group's order for fertilizer, and arranged to have it delivered by truck, says the Star.


Before delivering the fertilizer, police switched it with a harmless powder, the newspaper says.


Shortly after the chemicals were delivered, the raids in Toronto and Mississauga began Friday, and into the early morning hours Saturday.


Twelve men were arrested, along with five male teenagers whose identity is shielded under the Youth Criminal Justice Act.


Fifteen of the 17 accused appeared in a Brampton court on Saturday, and are due to return on Tuesday.


Two of the accused are already in jail in the Kingston., Ont., area serving two-year prison terms for trying to smuggle handguns across the Peace Bridge at Fort Erie, Ont.


Ammonium nitrate


Ammonium nitrate is a common fertilizer found in many hardware and gardening stores, but can produce a lethal bomb when mixed with fuel oil.


Terrorism expert Alan Bell said it's not difficult to manufacture this type of bomb.


"It's not a sophisticated type of weapon to be able to put together, and you can get the information on the Internet as most people are doing today," he said.


Because of its lethal properties, the Canadian Fertilizer Institute has been keeping a record of purchases, especially unusually large orders.


It has a long and infamous history. The Irish Republican Army used it for over 25 years. In 1995, white supremacist Timothy McVeigh used one tonne of ammonium nitrate to blow up Oklahoma City's Alfred P. Murrah building. The blast killed 168 people.


Ammonium nitrate was also used in the bombing on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the 2002 bombing of a Bali nightclub in 2002, which killed 202 people.


As for what it might have been used for in this alleged terror plot, Bell said it depends on how the ammonium nitrate would have been split up.


"If they were going to use three different explosions, three vehicles, whatever the case may be, it would have been very different targets.


"But you have to remember they have to transport that explosive to wherever it's used.


"So consequently the targets could be a few...or many, particularly in the GTA area."



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The target was not downtown it was the peace bridge

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 Actually they were planning to put bombs in the Downtown core! Acorrding to the RCMP officer who was allowed to reveal that much he said on Saturday night. Yes the CN Tower would be chaos but its too strong of a structure for them to take down with bombs and according to the police it was ment for numerous attacks in the business industry! why cuz of all the tourist! and ppl out and about on the weekend!

That's scary.. think if it did took place.. the amount of ppl out in downtown in the weekend... It would have been crazy.....


 



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Jade wrote:        Ummmm but they were going to purchase 3 times the amount of fertilizer (?)to make bombs worse then the OKLAHOMA BOMBING...and that bombing was HUGE!! I think one dose woulda done it for the CN TOWER..they woulda had to bomb somwhere else I think....plus there isnt a lot of pple who go to the CN tower...   yeah.. but the CN tower is our mark..!!.. think of all the surroundings and the business around it.. It would be chaos...  
          Actually they were planning to put bombs in the Downtown core! Acorrding to the RCMP officer who was allowed to reveal that much he said on Saturday night. Yes the CN Tower would be chaos but its too strong of a structure for them to take down with bombs and according to the police it was ment for numerous attacks in the business industry! why cuz of all the tourist! and ppl out and about on the weekend!

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Jade wrote:        Ummmm but they were going to purchase 3 times the amount of fertilizer (?)to make bombs worse then the OKLAHOMA BOMBING...and that bombing was HUGE!! I think one dose woulda done it for the CN TOWER..they woulda had to bomb somwhere else I think....plus there isnt a lot of pple who go to the CN tower...   yeah.. but the CN tower is our mark..!!.. think of all the surroundings and the business around it.. It would be chaos...  
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       Ummmm but they were going to purchase 3 times the amount of fertilizer (?)to make bombs worse then the OKLAHOMA BOMBING...and that bombing was HUGE!! I think one dose woulda done it for the CN TOWER..they woulda had to bomb somwhere else I think....plus there isnt a lot of pple who go to the CN tower...  

yeah.. but the CN tower is our mark..!!.. think of all the surroundings and the business around it.. It would be chaos...


 



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Jade wrote: This is scaryyyy!!!! Ummm does anyone know where they woulda hit if the plan had gone through??? Probably CN TOWER??? I am so glad they were caught in time! So close to home !!  I was watching the news yesterday and they interviewed an American immigration officer  and he was saying that the US will tighten even more the borders between Can and the US since this arrest happened...he said that our laws are very liberal therefore they on the US side need to take more precautions in letting anyone into the US from Canada....we will have to start using passport..oh gosh that reminds me I gotta get my passport renewed!!! Yes.. it was CN Tower.. .. the news says that even though the handmade bombs they had couldn't destroy the tower.. they would have created.. chaos in the city.!!! pretty scaryyyyyyy  

     Ummmm but they were going to purchase 3 times the amount of fertilizer (?)to make bombs worse then the OKLAHOMA BOMBING...and that bombing was HUGE!! I think one dose woulda done it for the CN TOWER..they woulda had to bomb somwhere else I think....plus there isnt a lot of pple who go to the CN tower...


 



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This is scaryyyy!!!! Ummm does anyone know where they woulda hit if the plan had gone through??? Probably CN TOWER??? I am so glad they were caught in time! So close to home !!  I was watching the news yesterday and they interviewed an American immigration officer  and he was saying that the US will tighten even more the borders between Can and the US since this arrest happened...he said that our laws are very liberal therefore they on the US side need to take more precautions in letting anyone into the US from Canada....we will have to start using passport..oh gosh that reminds me I gotta get my passport renewed!!!

Yes.. it was CN Tower.. .. the news says that even though the handmade bombs they had couldn't destroy the tower.. they would have created.. chaos in the city.!!!


pretty scaryyyyyyy


 



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This is scaryyyy!!!! Ummm does anyone know where they woulda hit if the plan had gone through??? Probably CN TOWER???


I am so glad they were caught in time! So close to home !!  I was watching the news yesterday and they interviewed an American immigration officer  and he was saying that the US will tighten even more the borders between Can and the US since this arrest happened...he said that our laws are very liberal therefore they on the US side need to take more precautions in letting anyone into the US from Canada....we will have to start using passport..oh gosh that reminds me I gotta get my passport renewed!!!



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This is F@cked up!!!!!!....  


And we thought we were "saved" cause we're not Americans.. but look what almost happened....!!!!.. It's scary to think that this attack might have happen !!


 



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I found out this morning, arrest toke place in Pickering (401 & Brock) in that big plaza where Wal-mart, LBCO, McDonalds, etc...La suegra me conto worst thing of all they were arrested and she was right there.. Yeah the ones arrested were basically youths, its crazy how Canada is getting all this bad attention.  They need to strength the laws in this country soon. -- Edited by Pelon` at 13:19, 2006-06-03
Holy Sh!t! I was there Saturday morning and didn't see or hear anything! That's pretty scary; hitting pretty close to home.

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 I've heard the terrorist real targets were all the LCBO stores and beer stores and factories.  They know that all canadians will suffer severe pains and mental illnesses for a long period of time and eventually commit suicide.


 



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rick wrote: I actually know one of those guys that was arrested   Wow Bro u sure know how to pick them-- Edited by El Duro at 13:21, 2006-06-03
he is not my friends i just happened to know him because i played soccer with him

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I actually know one of those guys that was arrested


 


Wow Bro u sure know how to pick them



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I found out this morning, arrest toke place in Pickering (401 & Brock) in that big plaza where Wal-mart, LBCO, McDonalds, etc...La suegra me conto worst thing of all they were arrested and she was right there..


Yeah the ones arrested were basically youths, its crazy how Canada is getting all this bad attention.  They need to strength the laws in this country soon.



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I actually know one of those guys that was arrested


Wow. Scary.

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El Duro wrote: U know what this is a plot by the american to get us in Iraq, since we said no to them on that subject, and that pissed them off so they will try anything You're kidding, I hope. Canada has been singled out by bin Laden as a target because of our presence in Afghanistan, but in the thinking of these fanatics, it could be any western nation (Dar-el-Harb). This is no reflection on the ideas of the vast majority of moslems which are peace-loving and have suffered foreign agression themselves.

 


Bro bin laden was Geaorge bush's buddy and to tell u the truth they might still be buddies, this is a plot for oil



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I actually know one of those guys that was arrested

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El Duro wrote:
U know what this is a plot by the american to get us in Iraq, since we said no to them on that subject, and that pissed them off so they will try anything


You're kidding, I hope.

Canada has been singled out by bin Laden as a target because of our presence in Afghanistan, but in the thinking of these fanatics, it could be any western nation (Dar-el-Harb).

This is no reflection on the ideas of the vast majority of moslems which are peace-loving and have suffered foreign agression themselves.

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U know what this is a plot by the american to get us in Iraq, since we said no to them on that subject, and that pissed them off so they will try anything

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For those that feel that terrorists will only strike at the evil americans, and not nice canadians such as ourselves:


17 arrested in foiled terrorist attack


Massive terror attack averted: RCMP

SASHA NAGY

Globe and Mail Update and Canadian Press

A terror attack potentially three times more devastating than the Oklahoma City bombing has been averted, the RCMP alleged Saturday.

A counterterrorism sweep Friday resulted in the largest arrest ever made by the nation's anti-terrorism forces and raised, for the first time, the spectre of homegrown terrorists striking Canadians from within our borders.

RCMP Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell announced the arrest of 12 Ontario men who were to appear in court later Saturday in Brampton, west of Toronto. The men ranged in age from 19 to 43, and are residents of Toronto, Mississauga and Kingston.

Five youths who cannot be identified under the Youth Criminal Justice Act have also been arrested and charged.

Commissioner McDonell alleged that the suspects were part of a homegrown terror cell intent on launching attacks against targets in Southern Ontario.

"This group presented a real and serious threat. They had the capacity and intent to carry out a terrorist attack," said RCMP Asst. Commissioner McDonell.
"Our investigation and arrests prevented the assembly of explosive devices and attacks being carried out. At all times, the focus of our investigation was the safety and protection of the public," he added.

In a statement, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the arrests showed that Canadians are not immune to acts of terrorism.

"Today, Canada's security and intelligence measures worked. Canada's new government will pursue its efforts to ensure the national security of all Canadians," said Mr. Harper.

Media reports Saturday alleged that the suspects engaged in terror training camps north of Toronto. It was further alleged that the group was plotting to attack targets in Toronto, including the headquarters of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.

The RCMP says the sweep began Friday night in co-operation with an Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, or INSET. These arrests are the largest ever made since the inception of INSET.

Police say the Toronto Transit Commission — a public transit system that includes buses, subways and streetcars — was not among the targets.

Luc Portelance of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service said those arrested are Canadian residents from variety of backgrounds.
INSET teams are made up of members of the RCMP, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, federal agencies such as the Canada Border Services Agency and Citizenship and Immigration Canada, and provincial and municipal police services.

Police have recovered three tonnes of ammonium nitrate fertilizer in the raids. Commissioner McDonell noted that this amount was three times the amount used by Timothy McVeigh to destroy the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995.

Ammonium nitrate/fuel oil mixtures have occasionally been used for improvised bombs, most infamously in the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols on April 19, 1995.

Scores of officers, many heavily armed, took the suspects into custody at a police station in Pickering, Ont., following the raids.

Charged are Fahim Ahmad, 21, of Toronto; Zakaria Amara, 20, of Mississauga; Asad Ansari, 21, of Mississauga; Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, of Mississauga; Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, of Mississauga; Mohammed Dirie, 22, of Kingston; Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, of Kingston; Jahmaal James, 23, of Toronto; Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19, of Toronto; Steven Vikash Chand (alias Abdul Shakur), 25, of Toronto; Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21, of Mississauga; and Saad Khalid, 19, of Mississauga.

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