I think pedophiles shuld be chemically castrated, as for animal testing we must learn to live with it, most of the products in use have in some way been tested on animals, (like DAvee said, on the furry ones). Alot of leather clothing are made from cows (our food supply), insted of dispossing of the skin, we cloth our selfs, makes sences.
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I think it s something that it can be contemplated,. but as animals associations are against animal testing,. human rights are going to come against human testing,. even thought ur sugestion is testing with ppl who has committed crime,. but nonetheless they r human,.. I m in favor of capital punishment but only in extreme cases,. and I let to the law to deal with that,.
as for animal testing we must learn to live with it, most of the products in use have in some way been tested on animals, (like DAvee said, on the furry ones).
Alot of leather clothing are made from cows (our food supply), insted of dispossing of the skin, we cloth our selfs, makes sences.
Chilenita wrote: Motown Junkie wrote: Chilenita wrote: Motown Junkie wrote: Hmmmm.....because I can't cook I'm a semi-vegetarian. I eat pasta like hell but yeah on occasion I do eat meat (I had one beef empanada ) Personally I don't think any animal should be killed but if they have to be, I would wish it was more humane. However, KILL ALL SPIDERS, COCKROACHES, PREY MANTIS', BEETLES, CENTIPEDES, MILIPEDES, GAZILLIONPEDES, DOWN WITH BUGS!!!!!! Oh I hate insects but sometimes just sometimes when I kill a spider I feel bad It might be cuz my husband has named them all estella...when he sees a spider he is like "leave Estella alone" back to animals we don't NEED to kill them to eat them and cows don't get killed in nice way....veal is horrible!! So where do you draw the line? Oh and DO YOU WEAR LEATHER? Where do I draw the line? Ummm....I say we don't eat meat! No, I don't wear leather (at least I don't think I do). I have one pair of pants that I received as a gift (hardly wear them) and unfortunately my car seats are leather. I bought a pair of Stella McCartney shoes and she doesn't make her shoes with leather (she's a vego) at the bottom it says "Suitable for Vegetarians" Ok so yeah, DOWN WITH KILLING ANIMALS!!!! Hummm so no leather runners, sandals, dress shoes or purses eh? Interesting!! No chicken, no meat and no fish? Hummmm what did you have a McDonalds with God eh eh eh eh? Hummmmmmm Do you visit the Zoo? Go to the circus? Hey hey hey. I said I'm semi-vegan. I had a Big X-tra But I have meat about.......average.........once a month! Unless I go to the boyfriends house, then his mom is just like EAT EAT EAT!!! I love chicken but I got salmonella TWICE from it so I'll pass. Meat......meh....I like but don't eat much. I can't STAND fish!! So I'm good in that sense. As for the items I have, I THINK they're all pleather. Is that how you spell it? Anyway, yeah, I don't have money for leather. Hold on, let me look at my purse..........what the hell???......100% PVC And yes, sadly enough, I go to the zoo. Every season in fact. The circus, I don't go to. I'm know I'm being double faced with this issue but although the animals at the zoo are behind bars so to speak at least they're roaming around and doing what they do. Circus'??? There's just something about the darkness, spotlights, camera flashes, yelling/clapping, all at once that I just can't deal with.
Oh please same here!! I am all like rah rah sis boom bah save the animals and then I eat meat and chicken I also wear leather I use the excuse that I am allergic to pleather but I am not I just like leather and hate pleather. So yeah I also go to the zoo....I am obsessed with the zoo!!! I can watch the lions all day but you know save the seals I have even tried to stop eating meat and chicken and fish but I can't I like cow wtf it's not my fault they are so yummy
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Motown Junkie wrote: Chilenita wrote: Motown Junkie wrote: Hmmmm.....because I can't cook I'm a semi-vegetarian. I eat pasta like hell but yeah on occasion I do eat meat (I had one beef empanada ) Personally I don't think any animal should be killed but if they have to be, I would wish it was more humane. However, KILL ALL SPIDERS, COCKROACHES, PREY MANTIS', BEETLES, CENTIPEDES, MILIPEDES, GAZILLIONPEDES, DOWN WITH BUGS!!!!!! Oh I hate insects but sometimes just sometimes when I kill a spider I feel bad It might be cuz my husband has named them all estella...when he sees a spider he is like "leave Estella alone" back to animals we don't NEED to kill them to eat them and cows don't get killed in nice way....veal is horrible!! So where do you draw the line? Oh and DO YOU WEAR LEATHER? Where do I draw the line? Ummm....I say we don't eat meat! No, I don't wear leather (at least I don't think I do). I have one pair of pants that I received as a gift (hardly wear them) and unfortunately my car seats are leather. I bought a pair of Stella McCartney shoes and she doesn't make her shoes with leather (she's a vego) at the bottom it says "Suitable for Vegetarians" Ok so yeah, DOWN WITH KILLING ANIMALS!!!! Hummm so no leather runners, sandals, dress shoes or purses eh? Interesting!! No chicken, no meat and no fish? Hummmm what did you have a McDonalds with God eh eh eh eh? Hummmmmmm Do you visit the Zoo? Go to the circus?
Hey hey hey. I said I'm semi-vegan. I had a Big X-tra But I have meat about.......average.........once a month! Unless I go to the boyfriends house, then his mom is just like EAT EAT EAT!!!
I love chicken but I got salmonella TWICE from it so I'll pass. Meat......meh....I like but don't eat much. I can't STAND fish!! So I'm good in that sense.
As for the items I have, I THINK they're all pleather. Is that how you spell it? Anyway, yeah, I don't have money for leather. Hold on, let me look at my purse..........what the hell???......100% PVC
And yes, sadly enough, I go to the zoo. Every season in fact. The circus, I don't go to. I'm know I'm being double faced with this issue but although the animals at the zoo are behind bars so to speak at least they're roaming around and doing what they do. Circus'??? There's just something about the darkness, spotlights, camera flashes, yelling/clapping, all at once that I just can't deal with.
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Chilenita wrote: Motown Junkie wrote: Hmmmm.....because I can't cook I'm a semi-vegetarian. I eat pasta like hell but yeah on occasion I do eat meat (I had one beef empanada ) Personally I don't think any animal should be killed but if they have to be, I would wish it was more humane. However, KILL ALL SPIDERS, COCKROACHES, PREY MANTIS', BEETLES, CENTIPEDES, MILIPEDES, GAZILLIONPEDES, DOWN WITH BUGS!!!!!! Oh I hate insects but sometimes just sometimes when I kill a spider I feel bad It might be cuz my husband has named them all estella...when he sees a spider he is like "leave Estella alone" back to animals we don't NEED to kill them to eat them and cows don't get killed in nice way....veal is horrible!! So where do you draw the line? Oh and DO YOU WEAR LEATHER? Where do I draw the line? Ummm....I say we don't eat meat! No, I don't wear leather (at least I don't think I do). I have one pair of pants that I received as a gift (hardly wear them) and unfortunately my car seats are leather. I bought a pair of Stella McCartney shoes and she doesn't make her shoes with leather (she's a vego) at the bottom it says "Suitable for Vegetarians" Ok so yeah, DOWN WITH KILLING ANIMALS!!!!
Hummm so no leather runners, sandals, dress shoes or purses eh? Interesting!! No chicken, no meat and no fish? Hummmm what did you have a McDonalds with God eh eh eh eh? Hummmmmmm Do you visit the Zoo? Go to the circus?
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Motown Junkie wrote: Hmmmm.....because I can't cook I'm a semi-vegetarian. I eat pasta like hell but yeah on occasion I do eat meat (I had one beef empanada ) Personally I don't think any animal should be killed but if they have to be, I would wish it was more humane. However, KILL ALL SPIDERS, COCKROACHES, PREY MANTIS', BEETLES, CENTIPEDES, MILIPEDES, GAZILLIONPEDES, DOWN WITH BUGS!!!!!! Oh I hate insects but sometimes just sometimes when I kill a spider I feel bad It might be cuz my husband has named them all estella...when he sees a spider he is like "leave Estella alone" back to animals we don't NEED to kill them to eat them and cows don't get killed in nice way....veal is horrible!! So where do you draw the line? Oh and DO YOU WEAR LEATHER?
Where do I draw the line? Ummm....I say we don't eat meat!
No, I don't wear leather (at least I don't think I do). I have one pair of pants that I received as a gift (hardly wear them) and unfortunately my car seats are leather.
I bought a pair of Stella McCartney shoes and she doesn't make her shoes with leather (she's a vego) at the bottom it says "Suitable for Vegetarians"
Ok so yeah, DOWN WITH KILLING ANIMALS!!!!
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TV Buff wrote: But if not for animal testing, where, oh, where are the wonderful cosmetics that make us look so hot can be tested? Huh? Animal testing is as vital as water, oxygen and chocolate cheesecake. But that's my question, why test on animals when we can test on humans? Or, where do MAC and The Body Shop test their products? They don't test on animals so where/how do they do it?
That's right. They should test it on criminals or other souces like MJ says. Although criminals men/women are best to test on cause it's a product for humans anyways.
Hmmmm.....because I can't cook I'm a semi-vegetarian. I eat pasta like hell but yeah on occasion I do eat meat (I had one beef empanada ) Personally I don't think any animal should be killed but if they have to be, I would wish it was more humane. However, KILL ALL SPIDERS, COCKROACHES, PREY MANTIS', BEETLES, CENTIPEDES, MILIPEDES, GAZILLIONPEDES, DOWN WITH BUGS!!!!!!
Oh I hate insects but sometimes just sometimes when I kill a spider I feel bad It might be cuz my husband has named them all estella...when he sees a spider he is like "leave Estella alone"
back to animals we don't NEED to kill them to eat them and cows don't get killed in nice way....veal is horrible!! So where do you draw the line?
Oh and DO YOU WEAR LEATHER?
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But if not for animal testing, where, oh, where are the wonderful cosmetics that make us look so hot can be tested? Huh? Animal testing is as vital as water, oxygen and chocolate cheesecake.
But that's my question, why test on animals when we can test on humans?
Or, where do MAC and The Body Shop test their products? They don't test on animals so where/how do they do it?
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Motown Junkie wrote: Chilenita wrote: hummm I let the woodpecker live....he will be the death of me if I don't kill him...what to do @MJ I don't believe in capital punishment so I am not into animal testing on humans. I do love animals though....I also eat meat and wear leather Again, I'm gonna personalize it. GOD FORBID anything happen to your daughter, but would your opinion change if something like the Holly Jones case happened to you? From a mother's perspective...... Nah I am not an eye for an eye kind of person. Of course I would want the person to rot in jail forever or I may pull his heart out with MY own hands but I am against that type of thing being a law. I am against capital punishment...always have been always will be. Now let's take this animal love thing a little further....how do we decide what animals to save? We don't NEED to eat meat and we kill cows and chickens every second!!! Leather shoes, purses and jackets....so where do we draw the line with which animals should be killed and which ones should live????
Hmmmm.....because I can't cook I'm a semi-vegetarian. I eat pasta like hell but yeah on occasion I do eat meat (I had one beef empanada )
Personally I don't think any animal should be killed but if they have to be, I would wish it was more humane.
However, KILL ALL SPIDERS, COCKROACHES, PREY MANTIS', BEETLES, CENTIPEDES, MILIPEDES, GAZILLIONPEDES, DOWN WITH BUGS!!!!!!
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I think it makes the most sense to test things that are meant for humans on humans.Testing on criminals I think would be a good thing BUT I would recommend doing it only to criminals on death row who have confessed to a crime of have been found guilty without a shadow of a doubt.
Yeah JC!!!! FINALLY someone who agrees with me!!! Add pedophiles to that list!!! Well......homicidal pedophiles like that jerk that killed that 10 year old girl, Jamie Rose Bolin, molested her AFTER he killed her and then planned to eat her!!
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Chilenita wrote: hummm I let the woodpecker live....he will be the death of me if I don't kill him...what to do @MJ I don't believe in capital punishment so I am not into animal testing on humans. I do love animals though....I also eat meat and wear leather Again, I'm gonna personalize it. GOD FORBID anything happen to your daughter, but would your opinion change if something like the Holly Jones case happened to you? From a mother's perspective......
Nah I am not an eye for an eye kind of person. Of course I would want the person to rot in jail forever or I may pull his heart out with MY own hands but I am against that type of thing being a law. I am against capital punishment...always have been always will be.
Now let's take this animal love thing a little further....how do we decide what animals to save? We don't NEED to eat meat and we kill cows and chickens every second!!! Leather shoes, purses and jackets....so where do we draw the line with which animals should be killed and which ones should live????
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I think it makes the most sense to test things that are meant for humans on humans. Testing on criminals I think would be a good thing BUT I would recommend doing it only to criminals on death row who have confessed to a crime of have been found guilty without a shadow of a doubt.
hummm I let the woodpecker live....he will be the death of me if I don't kill him...what to do @MJ I don't believe in capital punishment so I am not into animal testing on humans. I do love animals though....I also eat meat and wear leather
Again, I'm gonna personalize it. GOD FORBID anything happen to your daughter, but would your opinion change if something like the Holly Jones case happened to you? From a mother's perspective......
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Motown Junkie wrote: Chale Tanga wrote: Motown Junkie wrote: Would your opinion change if this person commited a crime against a family member of yours? Let's say (GOD FORBID) someone harms your child (or future child). Hell, if anything happened to my brothers I'd want the worst for that person. Why test on animals? They test on monkeys to get the "as close to human" results so why not test on a human to get the exact results? @Daeveed: NOT THE FURRY ONES!!!!!!!!!!!! the choice is obvious when you personalize it... but looking at the bigger picture you really need to see both sides of the coin. Ok, I gotcha......hhhmmmm.....I like to view other ppl's opinions such as yours. I can't say I agree though since I'm a huge animal lover and I think it's senseless but you do have a point. Thanks!!! Fellow animal lover: do you know what happened to the little raccoon that was stuck in the light pole? :sad:
I saw it briefly in the paper. I thought they brought him down??? What happened?
I was driving on the DVP this morning and there's this HUGE dead raccoon by the guardrail. Is that him??
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Chale Tanga wrote: Motown Junkie wrote: Would your opinion change if this person commited a crime against a family member of yours? Let's say (GOD FORBID) someone harms your child (or future child). Hell, if anything happened to my brothers I'd want the worst for that person. Why test on animals? They test on monkeys to get the "as close to human" results so why not test on a human to get the exact results? @Daeveed: NOT THE FURRY ONES!!!!!!!!!!!! the choice is obvious when you personalize it... but looking at the bigger picture you really need to see both sides of the coin. Ok, I gotcha......hhhmmmm.....I like to view other ppl's opinions such as yours. I can't say I agree though since I'm a huge animal lover and I think it's senseless but you do have a point. Thanks!!!
Fellow animal lover: do you know what happened to the little raccoon that was stuck in the light pole? :sad:
Motown Junkie wrote: Would your opinion change if this person commited a crime against a family member of yours? Let's say (GOD FORBID) someone harms your child (or future child). Hell, if anything happened to my brothers I'd want the worst for that person. Why test on animals? They test on monkeys to get the "as close to human" results so why not test on a human to get the exact results? @Daeveed: NOT THE FURRY ONES!!!!!!!!!!!! the choice is obvious when you personalize it... but looking at the bigger picture you really need to see both sides of the coin.
Ok, I gotcha......hhhmmmm.....I like to view other ppl's opinions such as yours. I can't say I agree though since I'm a huge animal lover and I think it's senseless but you do have a point. Thanks!!!
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Would your opinion change if this person commited a crime against a family member of yours? Let's say (GOD FORBID) someone harms your child (or future child). Hell, if anything happened to my brothers I'd want the worst for that person. Why test on animals? They test on monkeys to get the "as close to human" results so why not test on a human to get the exact results? @Daeveed: NOT THE FURRY ONES!!!!!!!!!!!!
the choice is obvious when you personalize it... but looking at the bigger picture you really need to see both sides of the coin.
Its kinda difficult to either give a straight yes or no answer to this... B/c on one end of the spectrum you have a human life, regardless of what that person has done, he/she is still a human being.... however, if this person has committed acts against another human, this does deserve punishment.... but im just not certain if cruelty is justifiable to this extent.
Would your opinion change if this person commited a crime against a family member of yours? Let's say (GOD FORBID) someone harms your child (or future child). Hell, if anything happened to my brothers I'd want the worst for that person. Why test on animals? They test on monkeys to get the "as close to human" results so why not test on a human to get the exact results?
@Daeveed: NOT THE FURRY ONES!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Its kinda difficult to either give a straight yes or no answer to this... B/c on one end of the spectrum you have a human life, regardless of what that person has done, he/she is still a human being.... however, if this person has committed acts against another human, this does deserve punishment.... but im just not certain if cruelty is justifiable to this extent.
) Personally I don't think any animal should be killed but if they have to be, I would wish it was more humane. However, KILL ALL SPIDERS, COCKROACHES, PREY MANTIS', BEETLES, CENTIPEDES, MILIPEDES, GAZILLIONPEDES, DOWN WITH BUGS!!!!!! Oh I hate insects but sometimes just sometimes when I kill a spider I feel bad
It might be cuz my husband has named them all estella...when he sees a spider he is like "leave Estella alone" 
back to animals we don't NEED to kill them to eat them and cows don't get killed in nice way....veal is horrible!! So where do you draw the line? Oh and DO YOU WEAR LEATHER? Where do I draw the line? 
Ummm....I say we don't eat meat! No, I don't wear leather (at least I don't think I do). I have one pair of pants that I received as a gift (hardly wear them) and unfortunately my car seats are leather. I bought a pair of Stella McCartney shoes and she doesn't make her shoes with leather (she's a vego) at the bottom it says "Suitable for Vegetarians" 
Ok so yeah, DOWN WITH KILLING ANIMALS!!!! Hummm so no leather runners, sandals, dress shoes or purses eh? Interesting!! No chicken, no meat and no fish? Hummmm what did you have a McDonalds with God eh eh eh eh? Hummmmmmm Do you visit the Zoo? Go to the circus? Hey hey hey. I said I'm semi-vegan. I had a Big X-tra 
And yes, sadly enough, I go to the zoo. Every season in fact. The circus, I don't go to. I'm know I'm being double faced with this issue but although the animals at the zoo are behind bars so to speak at least they're roaming around and doing what they do. Circus'??? There's just something about the darkness, spotlights, camera flashes, yelling/clapping, all at once that I just can't deal with. 
Do you visit the Zoo? Go to the circus? 
FINALLY someone who agrees with me!!! Add pedophiles to that list!!! Well......homicidal pedophiles like that jerk that killed that 10 year old girl, Jamie Rose Bolin, molested her AFTER he killed her and then planned to eat her!! 
the choice is obvious when you personalize it... but looking at the bigger picture you really need to see both sides of the coin. Ok, I gotcha......hhhmmmm.....I like to view other ppl's opinions such as yours. I can't say I agree though since I'm a huge animal lover and I think it's senseless but you do have a point. Thanks!!! Fellow animal lover: do you know what happened to the little raccoon that was stuck in the light pole? :sad: 
Chut up! 
