Should I part II

Guadalupana · Foro Master

RE: Should I part II

Julie · Comandante

Wowww, I cn't believe than a priest will refuse to baptise your child just because you're not married.

Definitivaly, go to another church like Genie recommended and there is no reason for them to refuse you. Y can't believe that a priest refused to baptise a baby just because she was not from the same community.

What the hell is going on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I won't know about education here because from where I come from, public was very good, at least back then. But I've been to private catholic school, as well, I know some of you must be laughing and I saw no difference in the education and was treated the same way as other kids.

Do you really want to have your baby baptise because both of you were ? or is it because you're thinking ahead regarding his/her education ? Or simply to by peace why both of your families ?

Btw, if it's not to personal, why, after so many years of being together and now having a baby don't you guys get married ? Personally I was @ my parents wedding, few months old only and they have been together more or less the same amount of years you guys have been. I know that they loved each other very much but did get married, civil only, because it will be easier n terms of paperwrk for me and for them.

neruda · Guru

I don't think there is anything wrong with baptizing your children. It just a start in a particular direction. One religion is as good as any other, so says the Dalai Lama. If they choose to leave the church when they're older, so be it.

LAB_ · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

LAB_ wrote:
Baina, what can I say.

I am single.

I'm 31 years old.

So, your honest advice would be..... what, no sex?

Thank you.

JERK OFF!!!!

Bro......I'm not preaching here.......you can do whatever you want.

I just disagree with that statement.......Something that is socially acceptable does not make it right.

Racism was something that was socially acceptable for many years.........was that right?

I know.

But, still, that idea of not having nothing of anything until the tan tan tataaaan....?

No way, Jose!

On the other hand. The idea of racism is not what I would associate with "-commonly, socially acepted and even encouraged- patterns of living".

Racism is a pattern of killing others. None lives out of racism.

You could say the same about alcohol abuse and I'd have to reply the same

-- Edited by LAB_ at 16:22, 2006-04-04

LAB_ · Guru

El Duro wrote:

Chilenita wrote:
LAB_ wrote: It's such a fascinating thing. How to fool a church into making itself look as if it is doing what it wouldn't regularly do. Religion goes wrong when it buys into the delusion that it can actually and substantially change -commonly, socially acepted and even encouraged- patterns of living among its membership. (premarital sex, anyone?). And the delusion turns into plain lunacy when that same religion conditions the participation of the believers from its liturgical system to the believer's acceptance that such things (i.e. premarital sex) are, you know, bad. It's like children, playing church. If we say it's so, then it's so. Great points! I have never met a true "Catholic" EVER!!!

there is no such thing as a true catholic because we are always commiting a sin

Hey don't speak for all of us here.

El Duro · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

LAB_ wrote: It's such a fascinating thing. How to fool a church into making itself look as if it is doing what it wouldn't regularly do. Religion goes wrong when it buys into the delusion that it can actually and substantially change -commonly, socially acepted and even encouraged- patterns of living among its membership. (premarital sex, anyone?). And the delusion turns into plain lunacy when that same religion conditions the participation of the believers from its liturgical system to the believer's acceptance that such things (i.e. premarital sex) are, you know, bad. It's like children, playing church. If we say it's so, then it's so. Great points! I have never met a true "Catholic" EVER!!!

there is no such thing as a true catholic because we are always commiting a sin

Chilenita · Comandante

LAB_ wrote:

It's such a fascinating thing. How to fool a church into making itself look as if it is doing what it wouldn't regularly do. Religion goes wrong when it buys into the delusion that it can actually and substantially change -commonly, socially acepted and even encouraged- patterns of living among its membership. (premarital sex, anyone?). And the delusion turns into plain lunacy when that same religion conditions the participation of the believers from its liturgical system to the believer's acceptance that such things (i.e. premarital sex) are, you know, bad. It's like children, playing church. If we say it's so, then it's so.

Great points!

I have never met a true "Catholic" EVER!!!

El Duro · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

El Duro wrote: Bainaman wrote: Daeveed wrote: El Duro wrote: Why bro? Just because I think the kids should make that desicion when they can. Does this apply to all the decisions regarding their life or just the ones that are religious based?? see if my son coverts to islam yo el dio el apoyo or any religion he choose , but the desicion about his life i would make them until he is old enough to make a mature desicion Do you have a religion that you follow??

I was batized catholic, but i don't go to church, but i treat are religion the same i know abut islam judism, rastafarin,

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

You can easily BUY a great education.....So if you really are against the the Catholic School system and it's ways........then there are other options.

Exactly!

Guess what I'm doing when I have kids......

Bainaman · Foro Master

LAB_ wrote:

Baina, what can I say.

I am single.

I'm 31 years old.

So, your honest advice would be..... what, no sex?

Thank you.

JERK OFF!!!!

Bro......I'm not preaching here.......you can do whatever you want.

I just disagree with that statement.......Something that is socially acceptable does not make it right.

Racism was something that was socially acceptable for many years.........was that right?

Bainaman · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Religion does not impact your life nearly as much as education does (nowadays anyway).

That's very much open to discussion and the way you view things in life.

You can easily BUY a great education.....So if you really are against the the Catholic School system and it's ways........then there are other options.

LAB_ · Guru

Baina, what can I say.

I am single.

I'm 31 years old.

So, your honest advice would be..... what, no sex?

Thank you.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

How about education? Some people don't like studying and choose not to........ Should you wait for the kid to be old enough to decided whether he/she WANTS TO go to school??? Why should your parents force you to study if that's ultimately not going to be important to you?

Religion does not impact your life nearly as much as education does (nowadays anyway).

If you read closely though, this appears to be a case of EDUCATION more than a case about RELIGION.

If public education was as good as catholic education, the story would be different.

God · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

God wrote:
The "funny" part is when the baby is in the womb....nobody touch him/her..NOBODY
But as soon is out.....

You chop his penis or Pierce Her Ears, pick a funny name and a religion ........

Hey that's a good one..

You gonna sue your parents for choosing your name without asking you???

I was being sarcastic....but I had a talk with them where I expressed my views against some of his parenting desicions. That doesn't mean that I don't love and or respect them, at the same time I said thank you for the good things they did...just look at me almost perfect.

-- Edited by God at 15:57, 2006-04-04

Bainaman · Foro Master

LAB_ wrote:

It's such a fascinating thing. How to fool a church into making itself look as if it is doing what it wouldn't regularly do.

Religion goes wrong when it buys into the delusion that it can actually and substantially change -commonly, socially acepted and even encouraged- patterns of living among its membership. (premarital sex, anyone?).

And the delusion turns into plain lunacy when that same religion conditions the participation of the believers from its liturgical system to the believer's acceptance that such things (i.e. premarital sex) are, you know, bad.

It's like children, playing church. If we say it's so, then it's so.

Just because something is socially accepted does not make it right.

Does it?

El Duro · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

El Duro wrote: I AGREE BRO, I WAS BATZIED WHEN I WA 12 YEAR OLD I WANTED MY SON TO CHOOSE HIS RELIGION, BUT IN THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS IS BETTER That is a good point. In that case, I would baptize my kids, but wouldn't that make the act of baptizing them a bit cynical? Just like getting married just so you can baptize your kids. I don't see faith being a factor in any of those two situations, and given the circumstances, it should be the main factor.

yes ur right, but now a days, u don't even have to be batized to get married in the catholic church,, i don't even have my first comumion or my confermation and i'm still aloud to be married in the church, when my sister was going to get my niece batzied at st jane francis the prist told her, not to batized the child there because she was not itilian and to batize the child in a latino church

Salsagal · Guru

as far as education goes, i will push anyone even strangers to pursue it. I never understood how important education was when deciding on what to do with the rest of your life. i mean if your talented in something like music or dance or something that will allow you to make a living for you and your family then go for it. but just sitting around and waiting for something to hit you. You know what hits you reality when your 25 years old and nothing on a resume except my interests and hobbies.

Marky Mark · Foro Master

LAB_ wrote:

It's such a fascinating thing. How to fool a church into making itself look as if it is doing what it wouldn't regularly do.

Religion goes wrong when it buys into the delusion that it can actually and substantially change -commonly, socially acepted and even encouraged- patterns of living among its membership. (premarital sex, anyone?).

And the delusion turns into plain lunacy when that same religion conditions the participation of the believers from its liturgical system to the believer's acceptance that such things (i.e. premarital sex) are, you know, bad.

It's like children, playing church. If we say it's so, then it's so.

and tomorrow at 1:23 will be 1:23 4/5/6 craaaaazaaayyy

Bainaman · Foro Master

El Duro wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
Daeveed wrote: El Duro wrote: Why bro? Just because I think the kids should make that desicion when they can. Does this apply to all the decisions regarding their life or just the ones that are religious based??

see if my son coverts to islam yo el dio el apoyo or any religion he choose , but the desicion about his life i would make them until he is old enough to make a mature desicion

Do you have a religion that you follow??

LAB_ · Guru

It's such a fascinating thing. How to fool a church into making itself look as if it is doing what it wouldn't regularly do.

Religion goes wrong when it buys into the delusion that it can actually and substantially change -commonly, socially acepted and even encouraged- patterns of living among its membership. (premarital sex, anyone?).

And the delusion turns into plain lunacy when that same religion conditions the participation of the believers from its liturgical system to the believer's acceptance that such things (i.e. premarital sex) are, you know, bad.

It's like children, playing church. If we say it's so, then it's so.

Bainaman · Foro Master

God wrote:

The "funny" part is when the baby is in the womb....nobody touch him/her..NOBODY
But as soon is out.....

You chop his penis or Pierce Her Ears, pick a funny name and a religion ........

Hey that's a good one..

You gonna sue your parents for choosing your name without asking you???

Bainaman · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
Does this apply to all the decisions regarding their life or just the ones that are religious based??

This applies to any desicions a parent thinks their kids should make in order to grow as a well balanced person.

How about education?

Some people don't like studying and choose not to........

Should you wait for the kid to be old enough to decided whether he/she WANTS TO go to school???

Why should your parents force you to study if that's ultimately not going to be important to you?

God · Foro Master

The "funny" part is when the baby is in the womb....nobody touch him/her..NOBODY
But as soon is out.....

You chop his penis or Pierce Her Ears, pick a funny name and a religion ........

Daeveed · Foro Master

El Duro wrote:

I AGREE BRO, I WAS BATZIED WHEN I WA 12 YEAR OLD I WANTED MY SON TO CHOOSE HIS RELIGION, BUT IN THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS IS BETTER

That is a good point.

In that case, I would baptize my kids, but wouldn't that make the act of baptizing them a bit cynical? Just like getting married just so you can baptize your kids.

I don't see faith being a factor in any of those two situations, and given the circumstances, it should be the main factor.

GENIE · Foro Master

Salsagal wrote:

I grew up in Jane and Finch. My parish used to be St Jane Francis. But i moved and so my new parish is St.Fidelis. I contacted my old parish and they said that because i moved and my new parish is this one then i would a letter from my "new parish" allowing me to baptize my kids elsewhere. I think its BS. im sure Jesus didn't turrn people away just because they lived outside a certain area. Can you imagine that!

BACK ON TOPIC!!! CUZ WE COULD CARELESS WHOS SUING WHO OVER WHAT (UNLESS I GET A CUT OF THE ACTION)

THATS BS MY CHURCH WAS ST BERNARD AND MY BROTHER GOT BAPTISED AT ST. PHILIP NERI ONLY CUZ IT WAS SPANISH!! SO THERE BSING U BIG TIME

GO TO ST PHILIP THEY WILL BAPTIZE ANYONE WHO WANTS IT!!

El Duro · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Daeveed wrote: El Duro wrote: Why bro? Just because I think the kids should make that desicion when they can. Does this apply to all the decisions regarding their life or just the ones that are religious based??

see if my son coverts to islam yo el dio el apoyo or any religion he choose , but the desicion about his life i would make them until he is old enough to make a mature desicion

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

Does this apply to all the decisions regarding their life or just the ones that are religious based??

This applies to any desicions a parent thinks their kids should make in order to grow as a well balanced person.

El Duro · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

El Duro wrote: Why bro? Just because I think the kids should make that desicion when they can.

I AGREE BRO, I WAS BATZIED WHEN I WA 12 YEAR OLD I WANTED MY SON TO CHOOSE HIS RELIGION, BUT IN THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS IS BETTER

God · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

El Duro wrote:
Why bro?
Just because I think the kids should make that desicion when they can.

Yes.....I fully agreee with you.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

El Duro wrote:
Why bro?
Just because I think the kids should make that desicion when they can.

Does this apply to all the decisions regarding their life or just the ones that are religious based??

Daeveed · Foro Master

El Duro wrote:

Why bro?

Just because I think the kids should make that desicion when they can.

Chilenita · Comandante

Marky Mark wrote:

GENIE wrote: GUYS one reason we all gotta think is inorder to be in a catholic school you have to be catholic! or be baptized in a reasonable time period!! And honestly the weather we want to admit it or not the CATHOLIC SCHOOL board here in Toronto has a better education system then the Public (yes i know i attended both) Girl St. Philip Neri will baptize your kids even if your not married and the god parents dont have to be married either and you can do the spanish ceremony too!! Excellent point Genie... now who is Oro Solido?

@ EL DURO...LMAO you beat me to it!!

ORO WHO....ORO SOLIDO

MM it's solid gold

Salsagal · Guru

I grew up in Jane and Finch. My parish used to be St Jane Francis. But i moved and so my new parish is St.Fidelis. I contacted my old parish and they said that because i moved and my new parish is this one then i would a letter from my "new parish" allowing me to baptize my kids elsewhere. I think its BS. im sure Jesus didn't turrn people away just because they lived outside a certain area. Can you imagine that!

Afrodita · Guru

I think you should get married because you want to and you are ready for it. And not because the priest tells you to.

El Duro · Foro Master

Marky Mark wrote:

GENIE wrote: GUYS one reason we all gotta think is inorder to be in a catholic school you have to be catholic! or be baptized in a reasonable time period!! And honestly the weather we want to admit it or not the CATHOLIC SCHOOL board here in Toronto has a better education system then the Public (yes i know i attended both) Girl St. Philip Neri will baptize your kids even if your not married and the god parents dont have to be married either and you can do the spanish ceremony too!! Excellent point Genie... now who is Oro Solido?

ORO WHO

Marky Mark · Foro Master

GENIE wrote:

GUYS one reason we all gotta think is inorder to be in a catholic school you have to be catholic! or be baptized in a reasonable time period!! And honestly the weather we want to admit it or not the CATHOLIC SCHOOL board here in Toronto has a better education system then the Public (yes i know i attended both)
Girl St. Philip Neri will baptize your kids even if your not married and the god parents dont have to be married either and you can do the spanish ceremony too!!

Excellent point Genie... now who is Oro Solido?

God · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

God wrote:

Bainaman wrote:

God wrote:

I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion

I really hope you're being sarcastic.

Actually If I they were a bit younger I would.....also considering that I got the circumcision without being asked, I would argue mutilation.

Maybe we should sue them for pollution for having you!

Buster !

Salsagal · Guru

lol and i laugh cause im guessing my son will probably think the same thing.

Chilenita · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

God wrote: Bainaman wrote: God wrote: I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion I really hope you're being sarcastic. Actually If I they were a bit younger I would.....also considering that I got the circumcision without being asked, I would argue mutilation. Maybe we should sue them for pollution for having you!

OUCH!!! HA HA HA where the **** did that come from

GENIE · Foro Master

GUYS one reason we all gotta think is inorder to be in a catholic school you have to be catholic! or be baptized in a reasonable time period!! And honestly the weather we want to admit it or not the CATHOLIC SCHOOL board here in Toronto has a better education system then the Public (yes i know i attended both)

Girl St. Philip Neri will baptize your kids even if your not married and the god parents dont have to be married either and you can do the spanish ceremony too!!

El Duro · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

God wrote: Bainaman wrote: God wrote: I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion I really hope you're being sarcastic. Actually If I they were a bit younger I would.....also considering that I got the circumcision without being asked, I would argue mutilation. Maybe we should sue them for pollution for having you!

LMAO.....

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

God wrote: Bainaman wrote: God wrote: I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion I really hope you're being sarcastic. Actually If I they were a bit younger I would.....also considering that I got the circumcision without being asked, I would argue mutilation. Maybe we should sue them for pollution for having you!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Bainaman · Foro Master

God wrote:

Bainaman wrote:

God wrote:

I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion

I really hope you're being sarcastic.

Actually If I they were a bit younger I would.....also considering that I got the circumcision without being asked, I would argue mutilation.

Maybe we should sue them for pollution for having you!

Marky Mark · Foro Master

The answer is simpler... if you are religious, then listen to your priest. If u are not religious and are doing this to please your conscience, then do whatever is more convenient.

Ultimately your children will decide their own faith as they get older, and i think most of us have done it, that's why they are saying not to impose a religion at a young age.

then u get to save on Christmas gifts..lol

-- Edited by Marky Mark at 15:34, 2006-04-04

El Duro · Foro Master

God wrote:

Bainaman wrote: God wrote: I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion I really hope you're being sarcastic. Actually If I they were a bit younger I would.....also considering that I got the circumcision without being asked, I would argue mutilation.

God · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

God wrote:

I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion

I really hope you're being sarcastic.

Actually If I they were a bit younger I would.....also considering that I got the circumcision without being asked, I would argue mutilation.

Chilenita · Comandante

Salsagal wrote:

It is catholic. We had the interview with the priest and he went on and on about it being against the church not to be married and living together. That I (the woman) am vulnerable because "the man" can leave at any time and who would suffer the children................ He's an older priest and very conservative in his views to say the least.

I would think long and hard about having your kids baptized into the catholic faith. Usually if a catholic church is really strict then they will insist that you are married by a catholic church or it means nothing. Civil unions don't usually mean anything. Look for another church or do as MC says and let your children decide if they want to be catholic once they reach the right age.

El Duro · Foro Master

God wrote:

Daeveed wrote: DO NOT BAPTIZE YOUR KIDS... I REPEAT DO NOT BAPTIZE YOUR KIDS... I second dat !...I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion

Bainaman · Foro Master

God wrote:

I'm thinking on suing my parents for not asking for my opinion

I really hope you're being sarcastic.

God · Foro Master

El Duro wrote:

McOSIRIS wrote:
El Duro wrote: McOSIRIS wrote: have you asked the kids what religion they wanna belong too???? F@cking guy..LOL were u asked when u were a child nop.... and I looked how I turned out....

just because you turn out the way you turned out it doesn't mean they will