Reaction to Danish cartoon

Princess Jazmin · Senior Member

RE: Reaction to Danish cartoon

torontotrucho · Guru

neruda wrote:

The following illustrates my point quite nicely:

Yes, I understand; but what you have to understand is that, it is not the same thing to compare people in general with their profet Muhamed. Gandi once said... I like Crist, but I don't like the way christians are ( or behave, I don't recall the last word); anyways, what I'm trying to say is that in not the same thing to compare regular people with a profet (Jesus, Muhammed, etc).

If somebody tells me : you christian are evil I would probably laugh; but if I see some one painting hornes to Jesus I would call the police or call the guy names at least; I would beat him up if I could get away with it.

Princess Jazmin · Senior Member

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

I think we should all respect all religions, they take it seriosly cause 2 them it is, we should understand their religion before saying anything negative about it...

i completely agree with u and i don't think this is an issue to be taken lightly AT ALL!

The reason many Muslims are takin offense to this is because in Islam, there are NO depictions allowed in print of Allah or the prophet Muhammad and to blatantly represent his image in so negative a context is demeaning and supremely INSULTING...it shows an obvious racial connotation.

X4v13r · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

To me, this can be illustrated with a simple reference to physics.
The third law of Newton states:
"Whenever a body exerts a force on another body, the latter exerts a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction on the former."

What else could one expect?

let me sum it up for u

For Every Action There is an Opposite Reaction!

X@vier

neruda · Guru

This is a problem that spirals from low tolerance, religious 'righteousness' and violent tendencies. If that is not a recipe for trouble I don't know what is.

This leaves western democracies with an interesting dilemma; how do we tolerate the intolerant?

They very freedom that allows them to protest in European cities against the publication is rooted in the same freedom they are protesting - the freedom of expression.

Perhaps western democracies should bend to sharia law or maybe we should desegregate church and state.

If people come to Canada or any like minded western democracy to enjoy the fruits of our wealth, to free themselves from religious persecution, they must understand that such entitlements were, in part, born out of the freedom of expression.

Similarly, we have freedom of religion and more importantly freedom from religion. None of our institutions, whether it be our parliament, courts, or our press, should be influenced or be pressured by religion. That includes the freedom from papal edicts, degrees from archbishops, or proclamations from Hebrew scholars.

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

To me, this can be illustrated with a simple reference to physics. The third law of Newton states: "Whenever a body exerts a force on another body, the latter exerts a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction on the former." What else could one expect?

that should neutralize the forces....but in this case is just increasing them...

$hit....I gotta quit that new "oregano"....

Lahtina · Foro Master

neruda wrote:

The following illustrates my point quite nicely:

A little box with a red x on it? Hmmmmm... very abstract.

neruda · Guru

The following illustrates my point quite nicely:

Daeveed · Foro Master

To me, this can be illustrated with a simple reference to physics.

The third law of Newton states:

"Whenever a body exerts a force on another body, the latter exerts a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction on the former."

What else could one expect?

neruda · Guru

I find all the angry protest over the cartoons extremely hypocritical. Middle eastern countries who have virtually no freedom of the press, that is, media is heavily controlled by the ruling government, routinely publish cartoons depicting Jews as blood-thirsty, evil, child killers or nazis. Shouldn't that be considered more offensive?

Whilst, independent newspapers publishing not-so funny cartoons of Mohammad, are now under threat by extremist groups who are demanding official apologies from heads of state.

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

I don't find it funny... Perhaps my sense of humor sucks....

Nah bro is not your sense of humor cause I don't find it funny either

torontotrucho · Guru

For every action there's a reaction.

I think muslims have been harassec for so long that they cannot take it lightly anymore.

I remember seing cartoons in english back home where arabs were the bad guys in the desert and invaders were the good guys. The cartoons showed arabs with very long and curved noses and behaving like mad men.

Also, mocking Mohammed is like making fun of Jesus; lets remember that muslims are way more religious than the people of the west and they have taking it very personal. I think they are just tired of the bull****ting from the west.

Quixote · Guru

People have made some good points.

To elaborate on Denmark's stance, they expressed regret at the incidents but can not apologize on behalf of the publications because of 'freedom of speech'. The publications themselves stand by their right to print the cartoons. See the following link.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/06/denmark.cartoons/index.html

Personally speaking, the correct course of action for the muslims is to pursue the matter through the legal systems, not on the streets.

You know what irks me? The muslim extremists made their point that it is unforgiving to insult a religious icon in a foreign country. Point taken. However, these are the same extremists who purposely and routinely burn flags of other countries which is deliberatly offensive and I consider very insulting.

This is a problem that spirals from low tolerance, religious 'righteousness' and violent tendencies. If that is not a recipe for trouble I don't know what is.

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

McOSIRIS wrote:

I don't find it funny... Perhaps my sense of humor sucks....

i'm with u on this one.. i dont find it funny in the least bit..

X4v13r · Comandante

Luna Chiquitita wrote:

I just think that they don't want their Prophet Mohammed to become a mainstream joke. Look at the passiveness of jokes towards Christianity and the Holy Family. People have been blowing up things and cursing in churches for years now (for entertainment)... I think Muslims don't want their faith to get to that point.. that because its on TV or in movies its acceptable
It's about respect and a lack there of. fooooor shame.

Well, if it was about that, they would act diff towards this.......the picture depitcs their god that way because thats what most off us have come to know about them.......all they do is blow up stuff whenever stuff like this happens and they claim that their god is peaceful

, if u want people to see ur god in such way, follow what u preach people!!!! what they are doing is just showing what the pic was saying about them in the first place.

By the way, the Danes have apologize, they just don't want to accept it......like some people have said, is just an excuse for them to attack others.........

X@vier

McOSIRIS · Comandante

I don't find it funny...

Perhaps my sense of humor sucks....

Julie · Comandante

I just don't know what they are or were expecting the Danish Gov. to apologize when they had nothing to do with it and are not responsible for the press releases, it's called freedom of speech.

BTW, the new paper already apologized but violence are still going on so yes Buffy, I have to agree with you.

It's ironic to see that the biggest problems/war in the world started because of relegion and their seak for power, not because of faith and obviously the little people are paying the price. Very sad.

-- Edited by Julie at 11:35, 2006-02-06

JOKER_ESCO · Foro Master

I think we should all respect all religions, they take it seriosly cause 2 them it is, we should understand their religion before saying anything negative about it...

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

I just think that they don't want their Prophet Mohammed to become a mainstream joke. Look at the passiveness of jokes towards Christianity and the Holy Family. People have been blowing up things and cursing in churches for years now (for entertainment)... I think Muslims don't want their faith to get to that point.. that because its on TV or in movies its acceptable

It's about respect and a lack there of. fooooor shame.

TV Buff · TOP Guru

I seriously think that they're blowing this whole thing our of proportion and that Islamics are just looking for an excuse to vent their anger and the leaders are overblowing the whole thing to manipulate these feelings. It's a sad thing, really.

Marky Mark · Foro Master

I just did a search and found this on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_in_Denmark):

Of the religions in Denmark, the most prominent is the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark. Other faiths include Roman Catholics and Muslims. In general, the Danes are not very religious, with church attendance being generally low.

With the exception of the Church Ministers (and only some of them), you will not generally not find politicians using religious rhetoric and arguments, especially not government ministers. The Christian Democrats is the only major political party which regularly uses religious rhetoric and arguments and their influence is very low with only around 2% of voters backing them.

According to the CIA World Factbook, the population of Denmark has the following religions:

Evangelical Lutheran: 95%
other Protestant and Roman Catholic: 3%
Muslim: 1%
Jewish: 1%

This explains the passivity with the cartoon.

Quixote · Guru

The Islamic anger over these cartoons is far reaching and have become violent in some instances.

I wish I could say that the cartoons are harmless but in actuality, it is disrespectful to mock a religious icon. Worse, the Danish government refuses to apologize.

While mulslims have the right to be upset, I believe the violent protesting is absurd.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/cartoon.protests/index.html

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48674