YOU CAN'T STEAL MY CHRISTMAS

GENIE · Foro Master

RE: YOU CAN'T STEAL MY CHRISTMAS

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

Phantasma wrote:

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Daeveed wrote:

In times like this, I thank the lord I'm an Atheist.

LOL

Daeveed · Foro Master

In times like this, I thank the lord I'm an Atheist.

Phantasma · TOP Guru

LaDyBuG wrote:

Phantasma wrote:
If everyone just celebrated whatever they wanted in their own home with their own family that would solve 2 problems, #1 it would take Chritmas back from the mindless consumerism feast that it has become and return it to its true meaning which apparently is celebrating the birth of Jesus (with LOW LOW Prices!!!) and family, togetherness and all that good stuff. plus #2 It would also pretty much void this whole argument since no one would have a reason to be offended or not be offended, or not agree with people being offended by the shoving of their holidays down their throat or no of that. U do u, they do them.. everyone is happy, and I never had to hear that god awful Mariah Carey xmas CD ever in my life. On a small side not, every other holiday Genie mentioned, Yom Kippur and Roshashanna, Ramadan, Diwali, the Inti Raimi and alll of those, the people have the good sense of taking the day off and practicing their faith in their own home or temple, they dont come to work for a whole month and annoy the fck out of me with their crap.
I actually get what you're saying....but it's the majority rules factor.....we live in a predominent "christian" country.....where many businesses feed off of the holiday "spirit".....

We live in a predominanTLY white country too. So u are no longer allowed to eat pupusas or listen to Salsa. its Roast Beef and mashed potatos with good old country music from now on... yee haw!!!

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:

If everyone just celebrated whatever they wanted in their own home with their own family that would solve 2 problems, #1 it would take Chritmas back from the mindless consumerism feast that it has become and return it to its true meaning which apparently is celebrating the birth of Jesus (with LOW LOW Prices!!!) and family, togetherness and all that good stuff. plus #2 It would also pretty much void this whole argument since no one would have a reason to be offended or not be offended, or not agree with people being offended by the shoving of their holidays down their throat or no of that. U do u, they do them.. everyone is happy, and I never had to hear that god awful Mariah Carey xmas CD ever in my life. On a small side not, every other holiday Genie mentioned, Yom Kippur and Roshashanna, Ramadan, Diwali, the Inti Raimi and alll of those, the people have the good sense of taking the day off and practicing their faith in their own home or temple, they dont come to work for a whole month and annoy the fck out of me with their crap.

I actually get what you're saying....but it's the majority rules factor.....we live in a predominent "christian" country.....where many businesses feed off of the holiday "spirit".....

Phantasma · TOP Guru

If everyone just celebrated whatever they wanted in their own home with their own family that would solve 2 problems,

#1 it would take Chritmas back from the mindless consumerism feast that it has become and return it to its true meaning which apparently is celebrating the birth of Jesus (with LOW LOW Prices!!!) and family, togetherness and all that good stuff.

plus

#2 It would also pretty much void this whole argument since no one would have a reason to be offended or not be offended, or not agree with people being offended by the shoving of their holidays down their throat or no of that. U do u, they do them.. everyone is happy, and I never had to hear that god awful Mariah Carey xmas CD ever in my life.

On a small side not, every other holiday Genie mentioned, Yom Kippur and Roshashanna, Ramadan, Diwali, the Inti Raimi and alll of those, the people have the good sense of taking the day off and practicing their faith in their own home or temple, they dont come to work for a whole month and annoy the fck out of me with their crap.

Maracuya · Guru

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Non chrstimas celebrating peeps are taking our vacations anyways.

This gets to me though:

Channakuh gets to keep the manorah candle as a symbol

but

Christmas gets a Santa Claus??? and its not even about Santa Claus! what can be put their instead: star? baby jesus? (based on 8 crazy nights movie, and the weather network put santa cluas on the 25th of december for the 7 day forecast.

CHRISTMAS IS OVER ONLY IF YOU LET IT BE, SOMEONE ON THIS THREAD MENTIONED THAT THE REAL MEANING OF CHRISTMAS IS OVER, WELL, ONLY IF WE LET IT HAPPEN

and for Phanta who said that NEUTRAL is the way to go??? yeah, okay, let's all merge food, music, traditions, religions and everything else, there will no longer be identity.

Too bad, ChRISTMAS IS STILL CHRISTMAS and because of the commercial abuse on Christmas retailers have no fear to use Christmas instead of using Chananakuh - will Jewish ppl allow this? or KWANZAAA (which is more of a traditional celebration)

so if Christians take christmas back, maybe that will leave less room for retailers to take advantage: besides, retailers only respond to consumer demand

Serious question:

What came first: CONSUMER DEMAND OR RETAILER ABUSE ???

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

I missed the entire discussion on this thread. I wonder if I should take some time to read it? I'd just like to know how the whole Xmas celebration is ramming a certain peoples beliefs down others' throats. Will I know that if I read it? ETA: I'm watching Conan O'Brien and he brought up an interesting point. What about those atheists that don't celebrate any holidays at all? What if they suddenly found the term "Holiday" offensive? -- Edited by Lahtina at 00:48, 2005-12-22

TO EACH HIS OWN....

I REPEAT....PEOPLE SHOULD DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE....WITHOUT DISRESPECTING OTHERS.....

NO NEED TO READ THE WHOLE THREAD...YOU GOT THE POINT....

Lahtina · Foro Master

I missed the entire discussion on this thread. I wonder if I should take some time to read it? I'd just like to know how the whole Xmas celebration is ramming a certain peoples beliefs down others' throats. Will I know that if I read it?

ETA: I'm watching Conan O'Brien and he brought up an interesting point. What about those atheists that don't celebrate any holidays at all? What if they suddenly found the term "Holiday" offensive?

-- Edited by Lahtina at 00:48, 2005-12-22

Dogo · Comandante

LaDyBuG wrote:

Dogo wrote: LaDyBuG wrote: Dogo wrote: LaDyBuG wrote: Lahtina wrote: Today a cashier wished Mark and me a Merry Christmas. It's so not the norm anymore that we were surprised. But, like I told Mark, with his last name the cashier probably figured it was ok to wish us a merry X-Mas. SO THE CASHIER ASSUMED..... OMG... here we go again! LOL! WHERE?? WHERE DO WE GO?? ......the whooooooooole thread aaaaaallllllllll over again (i guess) lol! WELL NOT REALLY.... LAHTINA'S SCENARIO JUST PROVED SOME OF THE POINTS MADE ABOVE....

Ok! ok!!! you win, I loose, I'm bad, you're good, LOL! (I just don't want to get sucked into this, LOL!)

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: Dogo wrote: LaDyBuG wrote: Lahtina wrote: Today a cashier wished Mark and me a Merry Christmas. It's so not the norm anymore that we were surprised. But, like I told Mark, with his last name the cashier probably figured it was ok to wish us a merry X-Mas. SO THE CASHIER ASSUMED..... OMG... here we go again! LOL! WHERE?? WHERE DO WE GO?? ......the whooooooooole thread aaaaaallllllllll over again (i guess) lol!

WELL NOT REALLY....

LAHTINA'S SCENARIO JUST PROVED SOME OF THE POINTS MADE ABOVE....

Dogo · Comandante

LaDyBuG wrote:

Dogo wrote: LaDyBuG wrote: Lahtina wrote: Today a cashier wished Mark and me a Merry Christmas. It's so not the norm anymore that we were surprised. But, like I told Mark, with his last name the cashier probably figured it was ok to wish us a merry X-Mas. SO THE CASHIER ASSUMED..... OMG... here we go again! LOL! WHERE?? WHERE DO WE GO??

......the whooooooooole thread aaaaaallllllllll over again (i guess) lol!

Lahtina · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Today a cashier wished Mark and me a Merry Christmas. It's so not the norm anymore that we were surprised. But, like I told Mark, with his last name the cashier probably figured it was ok to wish us a merry X-Mas. SO THE CASHIER ASSUMED.....

Checking dictionary.com and mmmm, no... figured out, perhaps. Deduce? Yes. Assume, not really.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Dogo wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: Lahtina wrote: Today a cashier wished Mark and me a Merry Christmas. It's so not the norm anymore that we were surprised. But, like I told Mark, with his last name the cashier probably figured it was ok to wish us a merry X-Mas. SO THE CASHIER ASSUMED..... OMG... here we go again! LOL!

WHERE?? WHERE DO WE GO??

Dogo · Comandante

LaDyBuG wrote:

Lahtina wrote: Today a cashier wished Mark and me a Merry Christmas. It's so not the norm anymore that we were surprised. But, like I told Mark, with his last name the cashier probably figured it was ok to wish us a merry X-Mas. SO THE CASHIER ASSUMED.....

OMG... here we go again! LOL!

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Lahtina wrote:

Today a cashier wished Mark and me a Merry Christmas. It's so not the norm anymore that we were surprised. But, like I told Mark, with his last name the cashier probably figured it was ok to wish us a merry X-Mas.

SO THE CASHIER ASSUMED.....

Lahtina · Foro Master

Today a cashier wished Mark and me a Merry Christmas. It's so not the norm anymore that we were surprised. But, like I told Mark, with his last name the cashier probably figured it was ok to wish us a merry X-Mas.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

GENIE wrote:

HONESTLY I COULD CARELESS ABOUT POLITICALLY CORRECT OR NOT BS AND ALL IF U CALL MY COMPANY I TALK TO AT THE END I SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR! NOW THERE ARE A FEW PPL CLIENTS OR BSNS PPL THAT CALL AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE JEWISH SO I SAY HAPPY HANNUKKAH BUT I DONT CARE WHO U ARE I SAY MERRY XMAS!! WHY CUZ I WAS RAISED TO SAY THAT AND THATS JUST HOW I AM! DONT LIKE IT TOO BAD BUT I ALWAYS GET A SMILE AND A OH U TOO DEAR! AND I WORK FOR JEWISH MEN BUT U WOULD NEVER GUESS WHY CUZ EVERYWHERE IN THIS OFFICE IT LOOKS LIKE CHRISTMASS WITH XMAS SIGNS AND ALL ITS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN AS THE CHRISTMAS SEASON AND FOREVER WILL BE I DONT CARE IF U DONT THINK ITS RIGHT! THATS NOT MY PROBLEM GET OFF UR HIGH HORSE AND SUCK IT UP!! WHEN THEY HAVE RAMADAN AND ALL THE PPL FROM THAT RELIGION DONT COME INTO WORK I DONT ASK FOR THE DAY OFF I SIMPLY RESPECT IT WHEN ITS ROSH HAANNNA AND YOM KIPPUR IN SEPT I DONT SAY NADA I WISH THEM A HAPPY ROSH ASHHAANA AND A NICE YOM KIPPUR AND DONE SO BASICALLY ITS ALL A BUNCH OF BULL!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT LOVE ME OR HATE ME!!! BUT THATS WHAT IM WISHING U ALL!!

Trivia for Genie: Which "people" celebrate Ramadan? What is the religion called?

I totally understand what you just said.....you do your thing and let people do theirs....simple!

Why do you Jewsih co-wrokers have Christmas thingies all over the offcie: Business right? .....cuz it's definately NOT religion!

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

GENIE wrote:

HONESTLY I COULD CARELESS ABOUT POLITICALLY CORRECT OR NOT BS AND ALL IF U CALL MY COMPANY I TALK TO AT THE END I SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR! NOW THERE ARE A FEW PPL CLIENTS OR BSNS PPL THAT CALL AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE JEWISH SO I SAY HAPPY HANNUKKAH BUT I DONT CARE WHO U ARE I SAY MERRY XMAS!! WHY CUZ I WAS RAISED TO SAY THAT AND THATS JUST HOW I AM! DONT LIKE IT TOO BAD BUT I ALWAYS GET A SMILE AND A OH U TOO DEAR! AND I WORK FOR JEWISH MEN BUT U WOULD NEVER GUESS WHY CUZ EVERYWHERE IN THIS OFFICE IT LOOKS LIKE CHRISTMASS WITH XMAS SIGNS AND ALL ITS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN AS THE CHRISTMAS SEASON AND FOREVER WILL BE I DONT CARE IF U DONT THINK ITS RIGHT! THATS NOT MY PROBLEM GET OFF UR HIGH HORSE AND SUCK IT UP!! WHEN THEY HAVE RAMADAN AND ALL THE PPL FROM THAT RELIGION DONT COME INTO WORK I DONT ASK FOR THE DAY OFF I SIMPLY RESPECT IT WHEN ITS ROSH HAANNNA AND YOM KIPPUR IN SEPT I DONT SAY NADA I WISH THEM A HAPPY ROSH ASHHAANA AND A NICE YOM KIPPUR AND DONE SO BASICALLY ITS ALL A BUNCH OF BULL!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT LOVE ME OR HATE ME!!! BUT THATS WHAT IM WISHING U ALL!!

All in all it's about you respect me, I respect you!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR GENIE!!!

GENIE · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhkkkkkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy good example of Christmas being rammed down your throat!!

WELCOME TO CANADA MERRY CHRISTMAS U DONT LIKE THE NEXT PLANE LEAVE IN AN HOUR ENJOY UR RIDE TO SCROOGE VILLE POPULATION U!!!! LMAO

U WILL THINK DIFFERENTLY NEXT YEAR TRUST ME!!!

Chilenita · Comandante

GENIE wrote:

HONESTLY I COULD CARELESS ABOUT POLITICALLY CORRECT OR NOT BS AND ALL IF U CALL MY COMPANY I TALK TO AT THE END I SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR! NOW THERE ARE A FEW PPL CLIENTS OR BSNS PPL THAT CALL AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE JEWISH SO I SAY HAPPY HANNUKKAH BUT I DONT CARE WHO U ARE I SAY MERRY XMAS!! WHY CUZ I WAS RAISED TO SAY THAT AND THATS JUST HOW I AM! DONT LIKE IT TOO BAD BUT I ALWAYS GET A SMILE AND A OH U TOO DEAR! AND I WORK FOR JEWISH MEN BUT U WOULD NEVER GUESS WHY CUZ EVERYWHERE IN THIS OFFICE IT LOOKS LIKE CHRISTMASS WITH XMAS SIGNS AND ALL ITS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN AS THE CHRISTMAS SEASON AND FOREVER WILL BE I DONT CARE IF U DONT THINK ITS RIGHT! THATS NOT MY PROBLEM GET OFF UR HIGH HORSE AND SUCK IT UP!! WHEN THEY HAVE RAMADAN AND ALL THE PPL FROM THAT RELIGION DONT COME INTO WORK I DONT ASK FOR THE DAY OFF I SIMPLY RESPECT IT WHEN ITS ROSH HAANNNA AND YOM KIPPUR IN SEPT I DONT SAY NADA I WISH THEM A HAPPY ROSH ASHHAANA AND A NICE YOM KIPPUR AND DONE SO BASICALLY ITS ALL A BUNCH OF BULL!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT LOVE ME OR HATE ME!!! BUT THATS WHAT IM WISHING U ALL!!

ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhkkkkkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy good example of Christmas being rammed down your throat!!

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

DulceGalletita wrote:

LaDyBuG wrote: I THINKS THIS QUESTION FITS ON THIS THREAD.... WOULD IT BE RUDE TO ASSUME A PERSON OF COLOUR OR DIFFERENT ETHNICITY IS NOT CHRISTIAN AND DOES NOT CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS? (ex: INDIAN LOOKING, BUT IS TRINI....MIDDLE EASTERN LOOKING BUT IS PORTUGUESE).... POINT BEING.....THEY ARE CHRISTIAN.....AND YOU ASSUME THEY ARE NOT.....SO WOULD THIS CLASSIFY AS "RACIST"? Umm, well I was always told not to ASSUME anything ... oh, nooooo I forgot what I was going to type LOL!!! I know there is something that goes with the word ASSUME, ummm I have it on the tip of my tongue ummm ... Well, anyways I think RACIST is too strong of a word ... could it maybe a stereotype ...

hehehe

When you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME!! hehehe

-- Edited by Luna Chiquitita at 11:39, 2005-12-21

GENIE · Foro Master

HONESTLY I COULD CARELESS ABOUT POLITICALLY CORRECT OR NOT BS AND ALL

IF U CALL MY COMPANY I TALK TO AT THE END I SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!

NOW THERE ARE A FEW PPL CLIENTS OR BSNS PPL THAT CALL AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE JEWISH SO I SAY HAPPY HANNUKKAH BUT I DONT CARE WHO U ARE I SAY MERRY XMAS!! WHY CUZ I WAS RAISED TO SAY THAT AND THATS JUST HOW I AM!

DONT LIKE IT TOO BAD BUT I ALWAYS GET A SMILE AND A OH U TOO DEAR!

AND I WORK FOR JEWISH MEN BUT U WOULD NEVER GUESS WHY CUZ EVERYWHERE IN THIS OFFICE IT LOOKS LIKE CHRISTMASS WITH XMAS SIGNS AND ALL

ITS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN AS THE CHRISTMAS SEASON AND FOREVER WILL BE I DONT CARE IF U DONT THINK ITS RIGHT! THATS NOT MY PROBLEM GET OFF UR HIGH HORSE AND SUCK IT UP!!

WHEN THEY HAVE RAMADAN AND ALL THE PPL FROM THAT RELIGION DONT COME INTO WORK I DONT ASK FOR THE DAY OFF I SIMPLY RESPECT IT

WHEN ITS ROSH HAANNNA AND YOM KIPPUR IN SEPT I DONT SAY NADA I WISH THEM A HAPPY ROSH ASHHAANA AND A NICE YOM KIPPUR AND DONE

SO BASICALLY ITS ALL A BUNCH OF BULL!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT LOVE ME OR HATE ME!!! BUT THATS WHAT IM WISHING U ALL!!

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

I THINKS THIS QUESTION FITS ON THIS THREAD.... WOULD IT BE RUDE TO ASSUME A PERSON OF COLOUR OR DIFFERENT ETHNICITY IS NOT CHRISTIAN AND DOES NOT CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS? (ex: INDIAN LOOKING, BUT IS TRINI....MIDDLE EASTERN LOOKING BUT IS PORTUGUESE).... POINT BEING.....THEY ARE CHRISTIAN.....AND YOU ASSUME THEY ARE NOT.....SO WOULD THIS CLASSIFY AS "RACIST"?

Umm, well I was always told not to ASSUME anything ... oh, nooooo I forgot what I was going to type LOL!!! I know there is something that goes with the word ASSUME, ummm I have it on the tip of my tongue ummm ...

Well, anyways I think RACIST is too strong of a word ... could it maybe a stereotype ...

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

Yes! Colour of skin has nothing to do with your religious background. I have committed this mistake.....and will not ever again.

AGREED. its NEVER safe to assume anything... EVER. no matter what the situation is but ESPECIALLY with Religion.

Bainaman · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

I THINKS THIS QUESTION FITS ON THIS THREAD....
WOULD IT BE RUDE TO ASSUME A PERSON OF COLOUR OR DIFFERENT ETHNICITY IS NOT CHRISTIAN AND DOES NOT CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS?
(ex: INDIAN LOOKING, BUT IS TRINI....MIDDLE EASTERN LOOKING BUT IS PORTUGUESE)....
POINT BEING.....THEY ARE CHRISTIAN.....AND YOU ASSUME THEY ARE NOT.....SO WOULD THIS CLASSIFY AS "RACIST"?

Yes!

Colour of skin has nothing to do with your religious background.

I have committed this mistake.....and will not ever again.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

I THINKS THIS QUESTION FITS ON THIS THREAD....

WOULD IT BE RUDE TO ASSUME A PERSON OF COLOUR OR DIFFERENT ETHNICITY IS NOT CHRISTIAN AND DOES NOT CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS?

(ex: INDIAN LOOKING, BUT IS TRINI....MIDDLE EASTERN LOOKING BUT IS PORTUGUESE)....

POINT BEING.....THEY ARE CHRISTIAN.....AND YOU ASSUME THEY ARE NOT.....SO WOULD THIS CLASSIFY AS "RACIST"?

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Phantasma wrote:

It is because we live in a multicultural society that all cultures should be given an equal amount of respect. All public spaces should be Neutral and equaly available to all people regardless of how numerous one kind of people might be. Otherwise we could argue than since th majority oif people in Canada are white, we as Latinos should except their customs and stop practicing our own cultures. Let me explain how your little morning incident plays out from the other side: DulceGalletita: Merry Christmas jijijijijiji Darminder: mmm actually ma'am, its "Happy Hollydays" for me... DulceGalletita: mmmm ok, no offence Mr convenience store man.. Darminder: Non Taken, Happy Hollidays to u. DulceGalletita: Yeah, I dont care what u celebrate, really, Im gonna say Merry Xmas to you anyways tee hee hee.... so Merry Xmas Mr Turban man.. jijijijij

That being the case then where is the "multiculturalism". So in order words to give others their respect I would have to stop my beliefs and customs? Umm, in that case that would be unfair ... Yes, the majority of people in Canada are Catholics and this time of year this is how they express themselves ... Other communities are growing and with due respect celebrate them by all means, do your way with them plus I would like to learn more about them also ... Just like the firecrackers for Diwali I saw it too in my neighbourhood ...

About the incident, I do see your point and I would have kept it a HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Si me lo ubiese dicho amablemente BUT this man por poco que me muerde y con puro sarcasm and all! It was like he was ordering me to say Happy Holidays y pues no! No le di el gusto, ademas ya se la traia conmigo hace mucho ... However, I do see your point with Mr. Darminder and if it was him who would have said this to me I would have said "Mr. Darminder happy holidays to you and all your family!"

Chilenita · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:

Chilenita wrote: ohhhhhhhhhhhh GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you thank u.. u know I only post here to impress u right?

I know I know and I only post to impress you ...but you neva give me props

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Luna Chiquitita wrote:

I think what everyone seems to be forgetting is that Christmas has become so commercial over the years that retailers are no longer forcing Christmas on us, they are simply FORCING their products on us. They put a spin on their propaganda with a flashing x-mas lights or ornaments that people would usually put on an x-mas tree but the truth is they don't CARE whether its about Jesus or not. Christmas is SUPPOSED to be about Jesus' birth and its significance in Christianity but the reality is, IT'S NOT ANYMORE!!! Now, if the all Christian churches started putting up signs everywhere, even in commercials and highways and buildboards "JESUS SAVES, GO TO CHURCH, COMES CELEBRATE OUR SAVIOURS BIRTH, JESUS IS KING, etc"... then yes, i would agree we are shoving our religious beliefs down ppls throats but the truth is, the signs you see right now are 60% all merchandise, SAVE SAVE SAVE, buy this for this person, come buy here... SPEND SPEND SPEND... Give me a break ppl!! None of these ppl really care about what Christmas is really about... and I do need to point out that these ppl that are not Christians are ALSO SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING taking advantage of the "CHRISTMAS SPECIALS" as they are called.

AMEN!

chica wow · Guru

Luna Chiquitita wrote:

I think what everyone seems to be forgetting is that Christmas has become so commercial over the years that retailers are no longer forcing Christmas on us, they are simply FORCING their products on us. They put a spin on their propaganda with a flashing x-mas lights or ornaments that people would usually put on an x-mas tree but the truth is they don't CARE whether its about Jesus or not. Christmas is SUPPOSED to be about Jesus' birth and its significance in Christianity but the reality is, IT'S NOT ANYMORE!!! Now, if the all Christian churches started putting up signs everywhere, even in commercials and highways and buildboards "JESUS SAVES, GO TO CHURCH, COMES CELEBRATE OUR SAVIOURS BIRTH, JESUS IS KING, etc"... then yes, i would agree we are shoving our religious beliefs down ppls throats but the truth is, the signs you see right now are 60% all merchandise, SAVE SAVE SAVE, buy this for this person, come buy here... SPEND SPEND SPEND... Give me a break ppl!! None of these ppl really care about what Christmas is really about... and I do need to point out that these ppl that are not Christians are ALSO SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING taking advantage of the "CHRISTMAS SPECIALS" as they are called.

I agree with you!!!!

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

So I guess the Christians are the ones responsible for all the propaganda right? Last time I checked......I never saw Santa Claus mentioned in the Bible..... Somehow the Christians MUST BE FORCING (shoving down their throat = over doing) all the companies owned by Jews, Muslim and alike.....to advertise, promote and SELL their products.....not for THEIR financial gain.....NOT AT ALL.......but because Christians forced them to.

THIS RELATES TO CHRISTMAS = BUSINESS/COMMERICALISM

SANTA & THE TREE ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE....BUT PEOPLE TAKE IT AS RELIGIOUS AND ASSOCIATE IT WITH CHRISTIANS.....ESPECIALLY CUZ OF THE STAR.

MY MOM FOR EXAMPLE....HAS A BIG ISSUE WITH MUSLIMS PUTTING UP A CHRISTMAS TREE, CUZ SHE SAYS THEY DO IT OUT OF THE "COMMERCIALISM" AND NOT THE RELIGION.....

I PERSONALLY AM NOT BLAMING CHRISTIANS FOR ANTYHING....I'M SIMPLY SAYING, EVERY RELIGION, TRADITION AND CULTURE SHOULD BE RESPECTED EQUALLY....IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO SEE.....I WANT OTHERS TO BE LUCKY LIKE ME AND CELEBRATE NUMEROUS HOLIDAYS & TRADITIONS AT ONCE....

Bainaman · Foro Master

Luna Chiquitita wrote:

I think what everyone seems to be forgetting is that Christmas has become so commercial over the years that retailers are no longer forcing Christmas on us, they are simply FORCING their products on us. They put a spin on their propaganda with a flashing x-mas lights or ornaments that people would usually put on an x-mas tree but the truth is they don't CARE whether its about Jesus or not.
Christmas is SUPPOSED to be about Jesus' birth and its significance in Christianity but the reality is, IT'S NOT ANYMORE!!!
Now, if the all Christian churches started putting up signs everywhere, even in commercials and highways and buildboards "JESUS SAVES, GO TO CHURCH, COMES CELEBRATE OUR SAVIOURS BIRTH, JESUS IS KING, etc"... then yes, i would agree we are shoving our religious beliefs down ppls throats but the truth is, the signs you see right now are 60% all merchandise, SAVE SAVE SAVE, buy this for this person, come buy here... SPEND SPEND SPEND...
Give me a break ppl!! None of these ppl really care about what Christmas is really about... and I do need to point out that these ppl that are not Christians are ALSO SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING taking advantage of the "CHRISTMAS SPECIALS" as they are called.

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Chilenita wrote:

ohhhhhhhhhhhh GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you thank u.. u know I only post here to impress u right?

Luna Chiquitita · Guru

I think what everyone seems to be forgetting is that Christmas has become so commercial over the years that retailers are no longer forcing Christmas on us, they are simply FORCING their products on us. They put a spin on their propaganda with a flashing x-mas lights or ornaments that people would usually put on an x-mas tree but the truth is they don't CARE whether its about Jesus or not.

Christmas is SUPPOSED to be about Jesus' birth and its significance in Christianity but the reality is, IT'S NOT ANYMORE!!!

Now, if the all Christian churches started putting up signs everywhere, even in commercials and highways and buildboards "JESUS SAVES, GO TO CHURCH, COMES CELEBRATE OUR SAVIOURS BIRTH, JESUS IS KING, etc"... then yes, i would agree we are shoving our religious beliefs down ppls throats but the truth is, the signs you see right now are 60% all merchandise, SAVE SAVE SAVE, buy this for this person, come buy here... SPEND SPEND SPEND...

Give me a break ppl!! None of these ppl really care about what Christmas is really about... and I do need to point out that these ppl that are not Christians are ALSO SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING taking advantage of the "CHRISTMAS SPECIALS" as they are called.

Bainaman · Foro Master

So I guess the Christians are the ones responsible for all the propaganda right?

Last time I checked......I never saw Santa Claus mentioned in the Bible.....

Somehow the Christians MUST BE FORCING (shoving down their throat = over doing) all the companies owned by Jews, Muslim and alike.....to advertise, promote and SELL their products.....not for THEIR financial gain.....NOT AT ALL.......but because Christians forced them to.

Phantasma · TOP Guru

DulceGalletita wrote:

It's just a matter of RESPECT ... This is a MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY and we just need to live with it ... I mean I respect all other beliefs, but I find it wrong for example that if I say MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! me digan ummm it's HAPPY HOLIDAYS or SEASON'S GREETINGS!! .. this happened here at work this morning and I was like umm ok didn't want to offend you and he said oh no offence then I was like ok MERRY CHRISTMAS jijijiji ....
@PHANTASMA: I like the BROCCOLI avatar jijijiji ...

It is because we live in a multicultural society that all cultures should be given an equal amount of respect. All public spaces should be Neutral and equaly available to all people regardless of how numerous one kind of people might be. Otherwise we could argue than since th majority oif people in Canada are white, we as Latinos should except their customs and stop practicing our own cultures.

Let me explain how your little morning incident plays out from the other side:

DulceGalletita: Merry Christmas jijijijijiji
Darminder: mmm actually ma'am, its "Happy Hollydays" for me...
DulceGalletita: mmmm ok, no offence Mr convenience store man..
Darminder: Non Taken, Happy Hollidays to u.
DulceGalletita: Yeah, I dont care what u celebrate, really, Im gonna say Merry Xmas to you anyways tee hee hee.... so Merry Xmas Mr Turban man.. jijijijij

Chilenita · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:

Bainaman wrote: The other day.....about a month or so ago.....I was driving in T.O.....and I saw a bunch of houses throwing fireworks in the air..........I was like WTF??? Am I missing something?? A couple days later....I found out that I was Diwali. Should I complain??? I mean.....Why should I be force to see these fireworks??? This is funny in of it self. U saw a bunch of little brown kids running around with some sparklers and discounted it till "a couple of days later" you heard it was Diwali.. and your are trying to compare this to the bombardment of Christian propaganda that is Christmas... I see. If I was a little indian yout that landed in Canada today and went around for a drive around the city looking for a good Diwali party... Im sure that I would also take me a COUPLE OF DAYS, to realize that them Christian people are having some sorta celebration too..

ohhhhhhhhhhhh GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Phantasma wrote:

Bainaman wrote: Phantasma wrote: It is disrespectful tho, to cram a christian holiday down other people's thoath in a public place. Why are your beliefs and traditions any more important than those of the people who celebrate Hanukah or Ramadan or Kwanzaa (which is kinda made up) or anything else? How would you feel if you worked for a company that had a Muslim CEO and he made all his employees cover their heads and fast for 40 days to observe HIS faith? I'm sure that if I lived in Afghanistan......I'd have Muslim culture and believes shoved down my throat......Don't you think? And how am I disrespecting someone.....by celebrating a religious belief? I know what you're trying to say.....I just really don't agree with that line of thinking.... Dude I know that u are not trying to compare Afghanistan with the Land of Freedom and Opportunity that is Canada... One of the reasons that make this country great is the very fact that we even have a choice in this matter. To recap my earlier post. It is not disrespectful for Christians to celebrate Christmas, as a matter of fact it is their right. It is disrespectful to discount everyone else's beliefs and force them to celebrate Christmas with you.

Umm, but no one is forcing no one ... At least I hope no one is

@CHALE: Take a picture of the nativity seen I wanna see ... shi shi lol ... yes it is religious but she doesn't have a note saying "YOU MUST LOOK AT THIS, ACCEPT THIS, AND PRAY" I mean if you want to take a look at it great, you wanna ask questions great but this is the belief of some people and one must respect it and if you don't then YOU SUCK LEG!! (keep in mind I don't say you gotta believe)

It's just a matter of RESPECT ... This is a MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY and we just need to live with it ... I mean I respect all other beliefs, but I find it wrong for example that if I say MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! me digan ummm it's HAPPY HOLIDAYS or SEASON'S GREETINGS!! .. this happened here at work this morning and I was like umm ok didn't want to offend you and he said oh no offence then I was like ok MERRY CHRISTMAS jijijiji ....

@PHANTASMA: I like the BROCCOLI avatar jijijiji ...

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Bainaman wrote:

The other day.....about a month or so ago.....I was driving in T.O.....and I saw a bunch of houses throwing fireworks in the air..........I was like WTF??? Am I missing something?? A couple days later....I found out that I was Diwali. Should I complain??? I mean.....Why should I be force to see these fireworks???

This is funny in of it self.

U saw a bunch of little brown kids running around with some sparklers and discounted it till "a couple of days later" you heard it was Diwali.. and your are trying to compare this to the bombardment of Christian propaganda that is Christmas... I see.

If I was a little indian yout that landed in Canada today and went around for a drive around the city looking for a good Diwali party... Im sure that I would also take me a COUPLE OF DAYS, to realize that them Christian people are having some sorta celebration too..

LaDyBuG · Comandante

@ BAINA: WHAT'S SO FUNNY?

I USED OVER DO INSTEAD OF SHOVING DOWN PEOPLE'S THROAT......(SORRY FOR THE WRONG CHOICE OF WORDS)

NEVERTHELESS.....EVERYONE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT....I DIDN'T FEEL DISRESPECTED TO SEE THE DIWALI FESTIVITY AND I DON'T FEEL DISRESPECTED WITH ANY MUSLIM, JEWISH OR CATHOLIC CELEBRATIONS......

ALL THESE TRADITIONS AND RELIGIONS JUST MAKE ME A "RICHER" PERSON.....CULTURALLY.....

EVERYONE SHOULD JUST RESPECT EACH OTHER'S RELIGION....

IT'S NICE THAT CHALE DID THAT AT WORK.....AND IT;S GREAT THAT YOU WANNA WALK INTO WORK AND CELBRATE CHRISTMAS.....ON THE OTHER HAND I ALSO AGREE WITH PHANTA......

Bainaman · Foro Master

LaDyBuG wrote:

I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS....THAT CANADA IS A MAJORITY CHRISTIAN RELIGION INFLUENCED COUNTRY, THEREFORE CHRISTIANS HERE ARE ALLOWED TO "OVER DO" THE WHOLE FESTIVITY.....RIGHT?
OVER DO = SHOVED DOWN THE THROAT

Over do????

Bainaman · Foro Master

Phantasma wrote:

It is disrespectful to discount everyone else's beliefs and force them to celebrate Christmas with you.

Who's forcing who?

I can't go into work and say I'm celebrating CHRISTMAS......

How are people being forced to celebrate Christmas???

The other day.....about a month or so ago.....I was driving in T.O.....and I saw a bunch of houses throwing fireworks in the air..........I was like WTF??? Am I missing something?? A couple days later....I found out that I was Diwali. Should I complain??? I mean.....Why should I be force to see these fireworks???

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Bainaman wrote:

Phantasma wrote: It is disrespectful tho, to cram a christian holiday down other people's thoath in a public place. Why are your beliefs and traditions any more important than those of the people who celebrate Hanukah or Ramadan or Kwanzaa (which is kinda made up) or anything else? How would you feel if you worked for a company that had a Muslim CEO and he made all his employees cover their heads and fast for 40 days to observe HIS faith? I'm sure that if I lived in Afghanistan......I'd have Muslim culture and believes shoved down my throat......Don't you think? And how am I disrespecting someone.....by celebrating a religious belief? I know what you're trying to say.....I just really don't agree with that line of thinking....

I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS....THAT CANADA IS A MAJORITY CHRISTIAN RELIGION INFLUENCED COUNTRY, THEREFORE CHRISTIANS HERE ARE ALLOWED TO "OVER DO" THE WHOLE FESTIVITY.....RIGHT?

OVER DO = SHOVED DOWN THE THROAT

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Bainaman wrote:

Phantasma wrote:

It is disrespectful tho, to cram a christian holiday down other people's thoath in a public place. Why are your beliefs and traditions any more important than those of the people who celebrate Hanukah or Ramadan or Kwanzaa (which is kinda made up) or anything else?

How would you feel if you worked for a company that had a Muslim CEO and he made all his employees cover their heads and fast for 40 days to observe HIS faith?

I'm sure that if I lived in Afghanistan......I'd have Muslim culture and believes shoved down my throat......Don't you think?

And how am I disrespecting someone.....by celebrating a religious belief?

I know what you're trying to say.....I just really don't agree with that line of thinking....

Dude I know that u are not trying to compare Afghanistan with the Land of Freedom and Opportunity that is Canada... One of the reasons that make this country great is the very fact that we even have a choice in this matter.

To recap my earlier post. It is not disrespectful for Christians to celebrate Christmas, as a matter of fact it is their right. It is disrespectful to discount everyone else's beliefs and force them to celebrate Christmas with you.

LaDyBuG · Comandante

ONCE AGAIN....THIS LOOKS LIKE A "MAJORITY SHOULD RULE" ISSUE......MORE CHRISTIANS IN CANADA KINDA THING.....

EVERYONE, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD SHOULD CELEBRATE WHATEVER HOLIDAY ACCORDING TO THEIR RELIGION.....

I PERSONALLY CELEBRATE 3 CHRISTMASES, 2 REYES MAGOS AND 4 NEW YEARS......LOL (I'M A BUSY GIRL) LOL

IT'S ALL ABOUT RESPECT....I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THAT, THAT MUCH......

"EDUCATE YOURSELF & RESPECT OTHERS"

PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

Bainaman · Foro Master

Phantasma wrote:

It is disrespectful tho, to cram a christian holiday down other people's thoath in a public place. Why are your beliefs and traditions any more important than those of the people who celebrate Hanukah or Ramadan or Kwanzaa (which is kinda made up) or anything else?

How would you feel if you worked for a company that had a Muslim CEO and he made all his employees cover their heads and fast for 40 days to observe HIS faith?

I'm sure that if I lived in Afghanistan......I'd have Muslim culture and believes shoved down my throat......Don't you think?

And how am I disrespecting someone.....by celebrating a religious belief?

I know what you're trying to say.....I just really don't agree with that line of thinking....

Phantasma · TOP Guru

Bainaman wrote:

Phantasma wrote:
Separation of church and state and respect for other people's beliefs and cultures. Thats how come.

The Holyday Tree part is pretty stupid tho. If you have a tree then call it a Christmas Tree, if ur not down with Christmas then dont have a Tree.

Happy Holydays!

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Are you saying that Christians celebrating CHRISTmas.....is disrespectful to others that are not Christian???

No.

Not saying that at all... Christians should have the freedom to celebrate Christmas and any other religious events related to their faith in any wayy they see fit. This is one of the freedoms which we are entitled to in this great country.

It is disrespectful tho, to cram a christian holiday down other people's thoath in a public place. Why are your beliefs and traditions any more important than those of the people who celebrate Hanukah or Ramadan or Kwanzaa (which is kinda made up) or anything else?

How would you feel if you worked for a company that had a Muslim CEO and he made all his employees cover their heads and fast for 40 days to observe HIS faith?