If your child would ask you what is "sex" at an early age, say........ age 4. Would you tell them the truth about it? I mean in detail (as you would about santa) or would you still tell them they come via Stork, or from a cabbage, or whatever I don't know the answer......... but you might BTW, hurry!! my kid is 8, he's gonna ask any moment now! lol! -- Edited by Dogo at 04:31, 2005-12-22
There's a book (yeah, I know, me and my books) that has sort of age-appropriate explanations for the crazy questions that kids will ask you. I can't remember the name but I'll look it up. They say that you can explain to them according to their age. If he's too young, he won't want to (or understand) all the details, so you can give him an explanation that he'll be able to understand and the fact that you're being open about it will pave the way when he gets older and the real questions begin.
As for Santa, I don't know. I'd let him go until he starts really questioning the whole deal.
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To those who think you should tell your kids about santa at an early age: is it because it's important to know the truth? or........what exactly? If your child would ask you what is "sex" at an early age, say........ age 4. Would you tell them the truth about it? I mean in detail (as you would about santa) or would you still tell them they come via Stork, or from a cabbage, or whatever I don't know the answer......... but you might BTW, hurry!! my kid is 8, he's gonna ask any moment now! lol! -- Edited by Dogo at 04:31, 2005-12-22
Uhhhh......nah, mejor no digo nada!
LOL
well.....isn't cabbage non-carbaholic? hahahahhaa
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To those who think you should tell your kids about santa at an early age: is it because it's important to know the truth? or........what exactly?
If your child would ask you what is "sex" at an early age, say........ age 4. Would you tell them the truth about it? I mean in detail (as you would about santa) or would you still tell them they come via Stork, or from a cabbage, or whatever
I don't know the answer......... but you might
BTW, hurry!! my kid is 8, he's gonna ask any moment now! lol!
-- Edited by Dogo at 04:31, 2005-12-22
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i agree with you let them believe in dreams because as you get older reality hits you fast... and those hopes that were once dreams become.. bills..and this will be the rest of ur life:) its good to live in fantasy land when ur young... it doesnt last long
I think that it's ok for kids to believe in this innocent dream, because there's no harm in it. It's something that excites them, and makes them happy. Besides they will find out that he's not real when they get older. I say as long as it's not doing them any harm, then it's ok. I wish that I believed that there was a Santa when I was younger. I was told by my dad at a real young age that there was no Santa. So I never had that innocent dream that there was a jolly old man that lived in the north pole, that brought gifts to all the good children of the world once a year. These type of things in a child's life are precious. I say let the kids have their dreams, let kids be kids. For some kids dreams are all they have at Christmas, and throughout their lives. Of course telling them the real meaning of Christmas is a must aswell... you know religion wise...well on my part anyway. It depends on how you were tought as a child.
I remember crying when i heard he wasnt real. I believed in him completly. I even used to write him letters and leave them in the fire place for him to read. lol. I dont know what my view is on making my kids believe he exists. i dont have any children, but when i do...I dont know.
I know that alot of kids believed in santa when i was growing up, and only couple here and there didnt belive in him. And the ones who didnt were hated on...
I think i'd let my kid believe in santa up to a certain age... I dont know. I was heart broken when my mother finally broke out laughing when i asked her if santa really existed.
There is nothing wrong with letting kids believe in Santa....'till a certain age. What that age is......I don't really know.......It's hard 'cause all parents do it differently.....So your kid is the only one in his class that doesn't know the real deal about Santa...then he's gonna feel like an idiot.....or vice versa.
Once the kids are of an age where they can understand...you should really start to tell them the real meaning of Christmas and why they celebrate it.
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I think it's ok to let the kid believe in Santa until the age of 5...maybe six. After that it's time to inform your kids of what is real and what is not.
I think you're taking it a bit to the extreme. I really don't see what the big deal is in letting kids dream a little. After all, they will eventually find out for themselves how cruel and harsh the real world is, so why not bring a little fantasy into their world? I think it's all part of being a child. The fact that they have a fantasy world with fantasy people and beings in it, doesn't mean at all that their principles will be worse or better. I really don't see the connection.
I AGREE WITH BUFFY! I MEAN LET THEM BELIEVE IN SANTA WHATS THE BIG DEAL?? i WANT MY KIDS TO BELIEVE IN HIM AND TAKE IN WHAT THE "CANADIAN" CULTURE HAS I MEAN IF WE WERE BACK HOME IT WOULD BE LOS TRES REYES AND OK BECAUSE THAT HAS SUCH A BIBLICAL BACKGROUND ITS OK BUT NOT OK TO THINK THAT RUDOLPH AND SANTA ARE REAL OR THE SNOW MAN??? COME ON U MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THE EASTER RABBIT AND THE TOOTHFAIRY AND HELL ALL THERE IMAGINATION AWAY!!!
IM SORRY BUT U DO LIVE IN CANADA AND UR CHILDREN WILL HEAR IT WEATHER U LIKE IT OR NOT!!! AND WOULD U REALLY LIKE IT IF UR CHILD COMES HOME CRYING BECAUSE PEDRITO TOLD HIM SANTAS NOT REAL JUST CUZ HIS PARENTS ARE STYFILING HIS IMAGINATION DO U THINK THATS FAIR??? NO LET THEM BELIEVE GIVE THEM SOME CREDIT THEY ARE SMARTER THEN WE THINK AND WILL FIGURE IT OUT DIDNT U???
Thanks LSC for bringing up this topic, because i just don't have the guts to I'm part of a youth group (one of the executives of ) aimed at teenagers, and we had this discussion two weeks ago: I took home with me the following: 1) I won't deceive my kids with the existence of santa claus, becuase they may choose to disbelieve me in greater, more important things in life. 2) If they discover that Santa was never really there to give them 'material gifts' that they BELIEVE equals happiness, how can i teach them (since I choose to be catholic) that having FAITH in Jesus and God can bring them happiness... they would want to have Jesus' existence PROVED to them with facts, the way we show the facts that Santa Claus doesn't exist. 3) By feeding the kids 'Santa' is the giver of gifts, how can they appreciate their parents more so? 4) besides, I'd rather my kids leave me chocolate cookies and milk, lol (did you watch Everybody hates Chris!! good episode last thursday! about Santa) Santa's red outfit was created by Coca-Cola 1950's and introduced to North America in New Amsterdam (now New York) in the early 1900's
I think you're taking it a bit to the extreme. I really don't see what the big deal is in letting kids dream a little. After all, they will eventually find out for themselves how cruel and harsh the real world is, so why not bring a little fantasy into their world? I think it's all part of being a child. The fact that they have a fantasy world with fantasy people and beings in it, doesn't mean at all that their principles will be worse or better. I really don't see the connection.
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Thanks LSC for bringing up this topic, because i just don't have the guts to
I'm part of a youth group (one of the executives of ) aimed at teenagers, and we had this discussion two weeks ago: I took home with me the following:
1) I won't deceive my kids with the existence of santa claus, becuase they may choose to disbelieve me in greater, more important things in life.
2) If they discover that Santa was never really there to give them 'material gifts' that they BELIEVE equals happiness, how can i teach them (since I choose to be catholic) that having FAITH in Jesus and God can bring them happiness... they would want to have Jesus' existence PROVED to them with facts, the way we show the facts that Santa Claus doesn't exist.
3) By feeding the kids 'Santa' is the giver of gifts, how can they appreciate their parents more so?
4) besides, I'd rather my kids leave me chocolate cookies and milk, lol (did you watch Everybody hates Chris!! good episode last thursday! about Santa)
Santa's red outfit was created by Coca-Cola 1950's and introduced to North America in New Amsterdam (now New York) in the early 1900's
I dont think that its a loss of innocence per say. He's still very much innocent at heart, but he just doesnt believe in that a man will or can fly around the world in one night and deliver presents to all the 'good' boys and girls. Who knows, maybe he is the cynic at heart, but he just never belived in Santa. I even made him a stocking to hang on the fireplace, but he'll tell ME what he wants it stuffed with, he wont make an attempt to write a letter to Santa asking for what he wants. Maybe its just the age that we live in, maybe cynicism is more rampent and faith in the unknown diminishes. I was able to sponsor a child on his behalf for Christmas and I didnt even have to explain the reason as to why... he just knew. He knows that there are less fortunate people and that its not all about receiving. He's a smart little cookie that one.
I can so imagine YOU telling your poor little brother, when he was probably 3, "You know what Miguelito?* There is NO SANTA." No wonder the poor little kid is a cynic. He IS related to you, after all.
* Not his real name.
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That's exactly what I mean by loss of innocence. You know the time will come when the reality of life hits them. I just thing if you can prolong it and avoid it and let them be kids a little longer, the better. I was like your little brother, but by circumstance, not choice, and I think something was robbed from my childhood. Or maybe I've always been a cynic to begin with. Nevertheless, I think it's worth keeping the fantasy alive. Unless you're Paris Hilton and you still believe in Santa at 16. Then you have a problem.
I dont think that its a loss of innocence per say. He's still very much innocent at heart, but he just doesnt believe in that a man will or can fly around the world in one night and deliver presents to all the 'good' boys and girls.
Who knows, maybe he is the cynic at heart, but he just never belived in Santa. I even made him a stocking to hang on the fireplace, but he'll tell ME what he wants it stuffed with, he wont make an attempt to write a letter to Santa asking for what he wants.
Maybe its just the age that we live in, maybe cynicism is more rampent and faith in the unknown diminishes.
I was able to sponsor a child on his behalf for Christmas and I didnt even have to explain the reason as to why... he just knew. He knows that there are less fortunate people and that its not all about receiving. He's a smart little cookie that one.
And if you think about it, how come little kids in less fortunate homes are not visited by Jolly Ol Saint Nick? Does he love the poor children less? Are the poor children 'bad' as opposed to the more fortunate 'good' kids that get presents from him?
That's exactly what I mean by loss of innocence. You know the time will come when the reality of life hits them. I just thing if you can prolong it and avoid it and let them be kids a little longer, the better. I was like your little brother, but by circumstance, not choice, and I think something was robbed from my childhood. Or maybe I've always been a cynic to begin with. Nevertheless, I think it's worth keeping the fantasy alive. Unless you're Paris Hilton and you still believe in Santa at 16. Then you have a problem.
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reminds me of Chale's fantasy of doing that Jolly Man in Red! Cochina!
Nothing wrong with getting down with a man in red.... NOTHING wrong with that at all..
But to answer the question... some kids are just realistic and dont believe in Santa anyways. Take my little brother for example.... He's 9 right now, and he's never beleived in Santa. He knows that the gifts he gets at Christmas is a manifestation of my parents hard work. He knows that if he wants something, that his family will be the one to get it for him, not some strange man that comes down a chimney. I dont believe that his childhood is any less memorable b/c we havent encouraged him to believe in something that is not real. My brother is a smart little guy and he understands the struggles and the hardship that some families go through in order to have something at Christmas time. So he is truely grateful for what he does recieve and is well aware that some families are not fortunate enough to recieve what he recieves.
And if you think about it, how come little kids in less fortunate homes are not visited by Jolly Ol Saint Nick? Does he love the poor children less? Are the poor children 'bad' as opposed to the more fortunate 'good' kids that get presents from him?
I think we shlould let them believe that Santa exist, why not, I love to still see my kid believing that Santa claus comes at night time and leaves his presents, once he gets older, I'll explain to him
LOL I would keep it alive and keep them dreaming! why not i mean Santa Clause is a good and safe imagination its all with the Holiday Season! Back home when we went to spend it we didnt do santa caluse we did los tres reyes magos. So that was kinda wierd but still its good!
I would keep it alive as long as possible. I like the whole idea and stuff but we always thought that Santa came on the 23rd to deliver the gifts for us to have on the 24th at midnight to open at my tias house lol lol wierd but hey thats how we did it!
My question to you guys is: Do you think it's OK to tell the little ones that Santa Claus is real for the sake of creating an innocent dream? Or should we tell them that there is no such man....besides they're gona find out anyway by an older kid at school that teases them. Wut do you think??
I don't see why not. I love it when kids are kids for as long as the dream can be kept alive. When you're poor, you're not really given the chance to dream 'cause reality is harsh and the kids have to live that reality, but if you, as a parent, can feed the dream and let the kids keep their innocence and be kids for as long as possible, I don't think we should take that away from them. I don't know if any of you have read J.D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye, but I do believe there's nothing worse in a kid's life than when you become "aware" of reality. I love seeing the purity and innocence in a child's way of expressing themselves and in what they believe in. Eventually and inevitably they will know what is and what isn't real, and that's when sarcasm and negativity set in. Let them be innocent and pure for as long as that can last.
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I too say LET KIDS DREAM – they do eventually figure things out on their own… it will disappoint them for a bit to find out that Santa really does not exist; but the joy they get from thinking about Santa and Xmas far outweighs it.
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I think is good 2 let kids dream, we did 2 when we were kids we dream about many things not just about santa, just because our minds are now so mess up with all that is going on around us we should not make kids pay 4 that...
angelita dulce wrote: DulceGalletita wrote: In regards to question #2 LB, I think Santa Claus is just away to give to others without being selfish ... So I wouldn't really consider Santa tied to Religion, just the aspect of giving to others is what is important and to be happy and thankful for what you receive. Ummmm, the tree in reality no tiene nada que ver con el nacimiento de Jesus so where did that come from .... You know what, i knew this answer, but i forgot. I'm gonna research it right now!! Ok, let me know 'cause now I'm gonna think about this all day LOL!!!
Funny, but letters to Santa are worldwide addresses to the North Polo... CANADA. So people there work and reply to as many letters as they can. Their postal code is O1O1, I think!
Funny, but letters to Santa are worldwide addresses to the North Polo... CANADA. So people there work and reply to as many letters as they can. Their postal code is O1O1, I think!
the tree comes from the heathen, pagan german tribes.
same with the little branch -miseltoe? sp?- hung above doors
oh there are so many german and "pagan" stuff to christian holidays... LOL
people who these days get all emotional saying they will defend the integrity and historical faithfulness of christianity... i really have to wonder what they mean by that. Back to slavery?
there must be a number of websites that explain the christmas symbols and all. Try http://www.firstchristmastree.com/
DulceGalletita wrote: In regards to question #2 LB, I think Santa Claus is just away to give to others without being selfish ... So I wouldn't really consider Santa tied to Religion, just the aspect of giving to others is what is important and to be happy and thankful for what you receive. Ummmm, the tree in reality no tiene nada que ver con el nacimiento de Jesus so where did that come from .... You know what, i knew this answer, but i forgot. I'm gonna research it right now!!
Ok, let me know 'cause now I'm gonna think about this all day LOL!!!
In regards to question #2 LB, I think Santa Claus is just away to give to others without being selfish ... So I wouldn't really consider Santa tied to Religion, just the aspect of giving to others is what is important and to be happy and thankful for what you receive. Ummmm, the tree in reality no tiene nada que ver con el nacimiento de Jesus so where did that come from ....
You know what, i knew this answer, but i forgot. I'm gonna research it right now!!
In regards to question #2 LB, I think Santa Claus is just away to give to others without being selfish ... So I wouldn't really consider Santa tied to Religion, just the aspect of giving to others is what is important and to be happy and thankful for what you receive.
Ummmm, the tree in reality no tiene nada que ver con el nacimiento de Jesus so where did that come from ....
It's ok to let kids dream....think of how much fun it was for us. Like Julie....I also didn't have a Chimenea LOL....so I was worried not to get any gifts.... The whole concept of seeing is believing....etc....would also affect: The tooth fairy, Baby Jesus & God......no?? 2 QUESTIONS: #1: IS SANTA CLAUS TIED INTO RELIGION IN ANY WAY? #2. IF SO, THEN DO YOU THINK IT'S OK THAT HE VISITS EVEN LITTLE MUSLIM KIDS AS WELL? (I once heard that the TREE had nothing to do with Christ's Birthday.....which is what Christmas stands for really.....so it is just a "commercial" symbol? Someone pls explain for me.....
I was told that Santa Claus was a symbol of the generosity of Saint Nicholas ... but that it is all now propaganda ... LB, maybe this helps:
The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in Patara, a village in what is now Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships.
My daughter still believes in Santa and she is 6 yrs old. Santa Claus comes to my house every year, he even comes early on a special request because she's had to go to Panama and he doesn't know the address there. (Yes!! I want her to have memorable childhood).
She knows that Christmas is not all about Santa and also knows that she might not get everything on her list. (her list this year was clothing and a fish tank, and at the end she added "anything else that you want to bring me I'll be happy with")
I feel like I'm lying to her and all this time I'm trying to teach her to be honest, I also wonder if I should tell her the truth or let her find out by herself...but then I remind myself that she is just an innocent child that is allowed to dream.
It's ok to let kids dream....think of how much fun it was for us.
Like Julie....I also didn't have a Chimenea LOL....so I was worried not to get any gifts....
The whole concept of seeing is believing....etc....would also affect: The tooth fairy, Baby Jesus & God......no??
2 QUESTIONS:
#1: IS SANTA CLAUS TIED INTO RELIGION IN ANY WAY?
#2. IF SO, THEN DO YOU THINK IT'S OK THAT HE VISITS EVEN LITTLE MUSLIM KIDS AS WELL?
(I once heard that the TREE had nothing to do with Christ's Birthday.....which is what Christmas stands for really.....so it is just a "commercial" symbol?
Someone pls explain for me.....
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Why not? I believed he was real until i reached a certain age and realized that he's not real. It was fun writing letters to Santa, which by the way i'm still wondering where all those letters went to? I loved waking up to see what was under the Christmas tree. Since i went through it, i will let my son believe Santa is real, until he reaches a certain age. It's nice to have memories!!
Sure, Ww have to let the kids beleive in Santa. I remember, when I was a kid, I was so exited thinking that I might have to meet him. Cookies and a glass of milk were always in the dinning table for him during that night. My biggest concern was the fact that we had no "chimenea" so I was worried he couldn't come and deliver my presents but my parents told me not to worry and their were right ! We I realized, that my parents were the one putting the presents below the tree, I was not that desapointed, I guees I had reach an age where it was ok for me not to beleive in it anymore. Although, it does mean that I completly stopped beleiving in Santa. Since Christmas is the time of the year where you gather with your friends and family, you receive so much and don't have to give in return, it is just love and even if we do not beleive in Santa as a person, he is still here in our hearts.
Yeah, I agree with you there Julie! ... I think it's just part of our growth, we just realize that during this time many have a santa within them ...
I still don't know what to get my niece though for Christmas ... I'm a Santa that doesn't know, at this point
I remember, when I was a kid, I was so exited thinking that I might have to meet him. Cookies and a glass of milk were always in the dinning table for him during that night. My biggest concern was the fact that we had no "chimenea" so I was worried he couldn't come and deliver my presents but my parents told me not to worry and their were right !
We I realized, that my parents were the one putting the presents below the tree, I was not that desapointed, I guees I had reach an age where it was ok for me not to beleive in it anymore.
Although, it does mean that I completly stopped beleiving in Santa. Since Christmas is the time of the year where you gather with your friends and family, you receive so much and don't have to give in return, it is just love and even if we do not beleive in Santa as a person, he is still here in our hearts.
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I think it's ok to let kids dream ... and many a times the child themselves realize the truth on their own ... I say this because I was brought to first and foremost believe we are celebrating the birth of Jesus but that he was nice enough to share his gifts with all children and that Santa delivered them ...
Great to my suprise, I found out that my abuelito, my uncle, my dad where all SANTA at a given year LOL!!
@CONFU: I agree with you about people with time forgetting how to dream ... but seeing a child's smile and glow makes you remember that in order to achieve something we first have to dream about it ...
Before, I admitted that, not being a parent would not help me here.
But I wouldn't mind blowing up a concept, even for a child of mine. Life will have done just that. like, ten times already by the time he/she -if ever- asks me. And, on the other hand, it's Santa, and not, say, faith in humanity... now, THAT would be a concept I'd fear blowing away for a child.
LOL... I din't!! Let us see... my son comes to me and asks... "is there a Santa Claus?" I would have to say that, although I myself have not seen it, many people say there is such a person. If he/she asks me whether I BELIEVE there's such person as Santa, I would have to say that I don't. Life most likely will have taught him/her by then that we disagree BIG time in a number of issues, many of them completly fundamental and life-essential, like... whether there's a Santa Claus.
BUT DONT YOU THINK BY TELLING YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER THAT YOU DONT BELIVE IN SUCH A THING U HAVE RUINED THE WHOLE CONCEPT???
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Let us see... my son comes to me and asks... "is there a Santa Claus?" I would have to say that, although I myself have not seen it, many people say there is such a person. If he/she asks me whether I BELIEVE there's such person as Santa, I would have to say that I don't. Life most likely will have taught him/her by then that we disagree BIG time in a number of issues, many of them completly fundamental and life-essential, like... whether there's a Santa Claus.
My question to you guys is: Do you think it's OK to tell the little ones that Santa Claus is real for the sake of creating an innocent dream?
SURE IT ITS SOMETIMES US GROWN UP FORGET WAT IT IS TO DREAM AND THE FACES ON THE LITTLE ONES IS UNFORGETABLE.....MAKING UP SUCH A STORY MAKES THIS SEASON A BIT MORE EXCITING......
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Mind you, I have no kids myself, which is a great handicap to answer this.
If they ask me , before their 8 birthday or something, I'll tell them that some people believe there's such a man, and some people don't. Those parents who can afford presents and toys for their children, buy them themselves. Those who can't... well, some people say it's Santa, some people say it's friends, some people say it's not as important who does it, but what is the purpose of the whole exercise... How many times have you donated a toy? Well, tell whatever kid it was who received that toy and who chooses to believe that it WAS Santa alright that, well, hmmm, no... it wasn't Santa, that it was not the embodiement of some "holiday spirit" that, sometimes, makes us think and act more generously and giving-like than the rest of the year.
I ache when seeing Santas being turned into advertisement whores. Santa, if anything, should be a reminder for being generous towards those who have less. As a rule, it applies to children.
Christmas should be an opportunity for people to explore their ability to give, rather than spoil, each other.
When this time of year comes along with its yultide cheer and all that jazz, it also becomes an eye opener for the kids. They get showered with gifts and spoils and that's something they always look forward to. Most of the little ones believe of the existence of a fat jolly old man in a red suit named Santa Claus, Jolly Ol' St. Nick...etc who flies all over the place in a sleigh with flying reindeer giving gifts to the "good" kids. BUT there are those parents that flat out tell their kids that no such man exists. That their gifts are only what mommy and daddy can afford.
My question to you guys is: Do you think it's OK to tell the little ones that Santa Claus is real for the sake of creating an innocent dream? Or should we tell them that there is no such man....besides they're gona find out anyway by an older kid at school that teases them.
Wut do you think??
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