Gitana wrote: Charlie Moet wrote: yeah yeah what ever you say, i don't need to explain my self to you, so say anything you want i will not "reply" waste my time . Merry X-mas ok . SOMETHING TELLS ME THIS REALLY ISN'T MOET POSTING.... -- Edited by Gitana at 16:16, 2005-12-19 yeah it's me baby love, i'm still mad at ya.
BABY LOVE ....AWWWWW
NOW I KNOW IT'S REALLY YOU....
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PRECIOSA wrote: Charlie Moet wrote: PRECIOSA wrote: Charlie Moet wrote: I believe in GOD, i also believe the devil exist i always have problems with him. TELL ME WHO YOU DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH...!!! you... so don't start with me, lets keep it cool. I dont know you, you dont know mw so lets keep it like that. KEEP PUTTING UP A FRONT...THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT EVENTUALLY... yeah yeah what ever you say, i don't need to explain my self to you, so say anything you want i will not "reply" waste my time . Merry X-mas ok .
I WAS AWARE THAT YOU GAVE UP EASILY...BUT DAMN THIS WAS A QUICK ONE...
Charlie Moet wrote: yeah yeah what ever you say, i don't need to explain my self to you, so say anything you want i will not "reply" waste my time . Merry X-mas ok . SOMETHING TELLS ME THIS REALLY ISN'T MOET POSTING.... -- Edited by Gitana at 16:16, 2005-12-19
yeah it's me baby love, i'm still mad at ya.
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Charlie Moet wrote: PRECIOSA wrote: Charlie Moet wrote: I believe in GOD, i also believe the devil exist i always have problems with him. TELL ME WHO YOU DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH...!!! you... so don't start with me, lets keep it cool. I dont know you, you dont know mw so lets keep it like that. KEEP PUTTING UP A FRONT...THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT EVENTUALLY...
yeah yeah what ever you say, i don't need to explain my self to you, so say anything you want i will not "reply" waste my time .
Merry X-mas ok .
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Charlie Moet wrote: PRECIOSA wrote: Charlie Moet wrote: I believe in GOD, i also believe the devil exist i always have problems with him. TELL ME WHO YOU DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH...!!! you... so don't start with me, lets keep it cool. I dont know you, you dont know mw so lets keep it like that. KEEP PUTTING UP A FRONT...THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT EVENTUALLY...
TA TA TA TAN!!! It has been a long time since I saw a Moet argument
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PRECIOSA wrote: Charlie Moet wrote: I believe in GOD, i also believe the devil exist i always have problems with him. TELL ME WHO YOU DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH...!!! you... so don't start with me, lets keep it cool. I dont know you, you dont know mw so lets keep it like that.
KEEP PUTTING UP A FRONT...THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT EVENTUALLY...
PRECIOSA wrote: Charlie Moet wrote: I believe in GOD, i also believe the devil exist i always have problems with him. TELL ME WHO YOU DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH...!!! you... so don't start with me, lets keep it cool. I dont know you, you dont know mw so lets keep it like that.
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Like....I think Daeveed is an Atheist......I wonder if he believes in an evil power....
Sorry, I hadn't seen this thread.
Well, I guess I'm an Atheist...maybe and Agnostic, but I would be of the radical ones. Let's leave it at Atheist.
So as an atheist, I do not believe in ANY of these allmighty intelligent forces with a purpose and a plan for humanity.
I don't believe there is a God that created us with a purpose, and gave us rules, and told us to praise him all the time.
I don't believe in an evil power that gets into our heads and tells us to sin. No sir.
I believe life is just that. There are certainly many aspects of it that have not been explored, but I don't believe in an afterlife or any sort of larger-than-life biblical references.
I think humanity has been very selfish in thinking that just for being humans, we have the privilege of getting eternal life after we die. In the same fashion, we are selfish when we think that an allmighty/allmerciful God has created us with a purpose and all that.
I believe every person is fully responsible for their own acts, and I believe there is no fixed list of sins.
I believe in being the best possible human being, and in helping and contributing to a better mankind. Therefore, I believe the future is not set for us by anybody/anything else other than ourselves....and we're messing it up, but that's a whole different topic.
I believe in God, and I believe that there is a devil. I know many people want proof that God is real, but let me tell you that you will get the proof sooner or later, and those who do believe in God you know what I'm talking about I hope lol. I don't need to have proof that God is real, because I have faith. I believe in my heart, that he is real. One thing that I have heard many people say is that they don't believe that God as a person, and you're right God isn't a human being. He is a higher being, and he is more powerful then you or I could ever be, and he is perfect. He has no flaws at all. Many want to know who made God...well so does the rest of the world, but in my religion that's just a question that can only be answered by God himself. From what my religion teaches God has always been there. There was no one before him, and he has no mother or father. So I guess the only answer would be that he made himself, but then the question would be how did he make himself? These are questions that we can not answer, and probably will not be answered until we pass away, and see for ourselves what there is in the afterlife. For some it may be nothing, and for others it may be Heaven or hell. To each his own I guess. I know what I believe in, and I believe in God, and that he has always been there, and that there was no one before him. I also believe that he was the one who created this world, and that we did not come from apes. I don't believe that the world was created by an explotion, because explotions are ment to destroy life not make it. If we did come from the apes, then my question is who made the first ape? and why don't we see apes turning into human beings now? I believe in the word of God and everthing that is written in the bible, and I will believe in God forever no matter what anybody tells me.
Evil is what goes against life. You won´t find A LOT of "the Devil", either in the Q´ran, the Hebrew or the Hebrew-Christian Bibles. A whole lot more is said about God, and the story behind the writings and their own historical context would make you drop your jaw. At points it is mere political economic lip service, at other times is the most outrageous social and civil denounce we could think of. The christian writings themselves, the New Testament, are equally different in their context, purpose and meaning, and interpretations have varied and even contradicted each other throughout history. At point, the character or person of the Devil was boosted or particularly discussed about as it came handy to incorporate whatever / whoever the enemy was at the moment. Someone in this thread must remember the comparisons between the soviet union and the empire of evil, with a side order of some very graphic suggestions). Is there a conscious being whom I could hold / claim responsable for the evil, or at least part of the evil, the thoughts and deeds against life, in the world? Nah, I think us humans have got waaaay too efficient in the killing each other bussiness. We need no beyond-this-world help to make the world dissapear!! (the Guy of the Button is a semi-illiterate religious fanatic!!). But salvation comes from beyond ourselves. It always has. Some people choose to identify it as God, others as freedom, others as hope in a better future, others as social justice ans rights for all people. Some people talk about the kigndom of God, others about the well being of all creatures, others of a new, more just and generous, world order. When you go for life, you can call it however you want. I´ll probably join you, and while you do it out of honor and/or respect for life, I´ll do it out of reverence and devotion for what God has made in the life you and I can push forward for. In that sense... I don´t believe, by any means, that you need the church, or even religion, to be saved or, as the jewish people would say, to be whole, to be shalom. Just go for life. That I call serving God. My english gets sooooo crumby sometimes... but the above is not that screwed up, I guess
Are you kidding??!! your english is perfect! I only WISH I could say it with such eloquence!!
Great insight as well, I totally share your thoughts
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Evil is what goes against life. You won´t find A LOT of "the Devil", either in the Q´ran, the Hebrew or the Hebrew-Christian Bibles. A whole lot more is said about God, and the story behind the writings and their own historical context would make you drop your jaw. At points it is mere political economic lip service, at other times is the most outrageous social and civil denounce we could think of. The christian writings themselves, the New Testament, are equally different in their context, purpose and meaning, and interpretations have varied and even contradicted each other throughout history.
At point, the character or person of the Devil was boosted or particularly discussed about as it came handy to incorporate whatever / whoever the enemy was at the moment. Someone in this thread must remember the comparisons between the soviet union and the empire of evil, with a side order of some very graphic suggestions).
Is there a conscious being whom I could hold / claim responsable for the evil, or at least part of the evil, the thoughts and deeds against life, in the world?
Nah, I think us humans have got waaaay too efficient in the killing each other bussiness. We need no beyond-this-world help to make the world dissapear!! (the Guy of the Button is a semi-illiterate religious fanatic!!).
But salvation comes from beyond ourselves. It always has. Some people choose to identify it as God, others as freedom, others as hope in a better future, others as social justice ans rights for all people. Some people talk about the kigndom of God, others about the well being of all creatures, others of a new, more just and generous, world order.
When you go for life, you can call it however you want. I´ll probably join you, and while you do it out of honor and/or respect for life, I´ll do it out of reverence and devotion for what God has made in the life you and I can push forward for.
In that sense... I don´t believe, by any means, that you need the church, or even religion, to be saved or, as the jewish people would say, to be whole, to be shalom. Just go for life. That I call serving God.
My english gets sooooo crumby sometimes... but the above is not that screwed up, I guess
Bainaman wrote: There are many people here that don't believe in God or are not very religious......
For those who fall under that category......
Do you believe in the Devil or Evil???
-- Edited by Bainaman at 22:34, 2005-12-16-- Edited by Bainaman at 22:43, 2005-12-16
God and Evil was crated by a bunch of of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep us in Line. Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century.
Bainaman wrote: There are many people here that don't believe in God or are not very religious...... For those who fall under that category...... Do you believe in the Devil or Evil??? I believe in a higher power, I even believe in Jesus but I cannot believe in Catholicism anymore. And since I have not adhered myself to any other religion at the moment, I guess you could say that I'm not religious. I do believe in evil.
Same here. Not that i dont believe in Catholicism, but there is things about the religion that I dont see as valid, especially if you have read the bible or done bible studies. I do believe in evil. The devil as an individual i dont believe, but in evil forces yes. Temptation, greed, malicia, that's all part of evil. It's actually been said that there is really no hell, that we're living hell on earth.
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There are many people here that don't believe in God or are not very religious...... For those who fall under that category...... Do you believe in the Devil or Evil??? -- Edited by Bainaman at 22:34, 2005-12-16-- Edited by Bainaman at 22:43, 2005-12-16
I believe in evil....people are evil....the devil doen't exist.....
Good topic btw....
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confundida wrote: Bainaman wrote: confundida wrote: CORRECTOMUNDO!!!!! ANYONE CAN MAKE UP A STORY I NEED SOMETHING TO PROVE IT......A PICTURE WOULD BE NICE......... So how can you believe in "another world of life"??? Have you seen it??? Can you show me a pic??? YEP.........THAT WAT BEING IN ANOTHER STATE MAKES YOU DO BE IN ANOTHER WORLD.............IF NOT JUST ASK DAVEED!!!!!
Ok Thanks!
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confundida wrote: CORRECTOMUNDO!!!!! ANYONE CAN MAKE UP A STORY I NEED SOMETHING TO PROVE IT......A PICTURE WOULD BE NICE......... So how can you believe in "another world of life"??? Have you seen it??? Can you show me a pic???
YEP.........THAT WAT BEING IN ANOTHER STATE MAKES YOU DO BE IN ANOTHER WORLD.............IF NOT JUST ASK DAVEED!!!!!
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Julie wrote: I beleive in Evil and I do beleive in a higher power. But I can not say that I beleive in God as a person. Does it make sense ? That is something that is hard for me to discuss on writing but next time if you want I will expose my thoughts to you accordingly to my beleives and my experiences. I think you will be surprised, in the way that you probably would not have expected like that
Cool!!!
Definately....I'd love to hear what you have to say.
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I beleive in Evil and I do beleive in a higher power.
But I can not say that I beleive in God as a person. Does it make sense ? That is something that is hard for me to discuss on writing but next time if you want I will expose my thoughts to you accordingly to my beleives and my experiences.
I think you will be surprised, in the way that you probably would not have expected like that
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Lahtina wrote: Bainaman wrote: There are many people here that don't believe in God or are not very religious...... For those who fall under that category...... Do you believe in the Devil or Evil??? I believe in a higher power, I even believe in Jesus but I cannot believe in Catholicism anymore. And since I have not adhered myself to any other religion at the moment, I guess you could say that I'm not religious. I do believe in evil. I'm sure you have many valid reasons for your dislike toward Catholicism.......... I'm not here to blindly defend the church for many wrong doings over the centuries..... I was just wondering if people who didn't believe in God....believed in the devil...or evil. Like....I think Daeveed is an Atheist......I wonder if he believes in an evil power.... @ Confu - So you're like a doubting Thomas??? Seeing is believing type of thing?
CORRECTOMUNDO!!!!! ANYONE CAN MAKE UP A STORY I NEED SOMETHING TO PROVE IT......A PICTURE WOULD BE NICE.........
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Lahtina wrote: Bainaman wrote: There are many people here that don't believe in God or are not very religious...... For those who fall under that category...... Do you believe in the Devil or Evil???
I believe in a higher power, I even believe in Jesus but I cannot believe in Catholicism anymore. And since I have not adhered myself to any other religion at the moment, I guess you could say that I'm not religious. I do believe in evil.
I'm sure you have many valid reasons for your dislike toward Catholicism..........
I'm not here to blindly defend the church for many wrong doings over the centuries.....
I was just wondering if people who didn't believe in God....believed in the devil...or evil.
Like....I think Daeveed is an Atheist......I wonder if he believes in an evil power....
@ Confu - So you're like a doubting Thomas??? Seeing is believing type of thing?
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There are many people here that don't believe in God or are not very religious...... For those who fall under that category...... Do you believe in the Devil or Evil???
I believe in a higher power, I even believe in Jesus but I cannot believe in Catholicism anymore. And since I have not adhered myself to any other religion at the moment, I guess you could say that I'm not religious. I do believe in evil.
TELL ME WHO YOU DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH...!!! 
-- Edited by Gitana at 16:16, 2005-12-19 yeah it's me baby love, i'm still mad at ya. 
yeah yeah what ever you say, i don't need to explain my self to you, so say anything you want i will not "reply" waste my time . Merry X-mas ok . 
Roses are red violets are korny, when I think of you Ohh baby I get horny...
"Most of us fall short much more by omission than by commission."
