Stanley Tookie Williams R.I.P!!

Chilenita · Comandante

RE: Stanley Tookie Williams R.I.P!!

Daeveed · Foro Master

GENIE wrote:

I SAID I WAS GONNA DROP THIS BUT MAYBE U SHOULD READ A BIT MORE UR FACTS DONT MAKE SENSE LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CASE THEN COMMENT www.tookie.com U WILL ALL LEARN ALOT!

Genie, that info is really biased, it's obvious that the website was made by his supporters.

I can give out other websites here and here.

It all depends on who writes it.

Chilenita · Comandante

Leo wrote:

May I take the abortion/death penalty question? Thanks. Ahheeemmm!!! Abortion is about enabling an otherwise inminent mother-to-be to, for whatever may be considered "valid" reasons at the moment and place in question, interrupt her pregnancy at a point when no fetus that can be given birth to has actually been formed in her womb. It is usually applied at the mother-to-be's request, and its practice is highly regulated by both legal and moral norms and standards. Death penalty is about making sure that some -usually poor and/or anonimous- defendants get the roughest deal out of crimes they are most likely not to be proven enough responsable for. It is usually -to say the least- applied against the will of the defendant, and its practice seems to be encouraged by the particular needs and priorities of whoever it may be the idiot in charge at the moment in the government. That's why I have no problem whatsoever supporting the first, and abhorring the second. -- Edited by Leo at 12:13, 2005-12-13

Thanks Leo....I had to leave the office for the rest of the day yesterday and didn't get to answer CHINO's abortion question.

Very well put! I could not have put it better myself

GENIE · Foro Master

confundida wrote:

OK YOUR ALL DEAD IT TOOK ME 25 MTS TO READ TWO PAGES THAT BECAUSE MSN KEPT DISTURBING..... I ONLY HEARD ABOUT THIS GUY AND TO BE HONEST I THINK IN THIS CASE HE DESERVED THE DEATH PENALTY... WHY.... LET ME TELL YOU WHY..... NOW HE WANTS TO BE A CIVILIZED AND REFORMED PERSON CUZ HE WROTE CHILDREN BOOK CUZ SO FAMOUS ACTORS DID A MOVIE ABOUT HIM HIS STILL GOT IS CONNECTIONS TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD SEE WE ALL VIEW THIS FROM THE OUTSIDE BUT INSIDE HIS 4 BY 4 WALLS AND BETWEEN HIS INMATES HE WAS STILL A KING... DO AND GET WATEVER HE WANTS EVEN WITH THE GUARDS......SO YEA HE PERSONALLY DESERVED THE DEATH PENALTY IT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO STOP AND HOPEFULLY THIS VIOLENCE WILL STOP.............

I SAID I WAS GONNA DROP THIS BUT MAYBE U SHOULD READ A BIT MORE UR FACTS DONT MAKE SENSE LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CASE THEN COMMENT

www.tookie.com U WILL ALL LEARN ALOT!

CrazyBeautiful · Guru

wat movie was based on him??

confundida · Foro Master

OK YOUR ALL DEAD IT TOOK ME 25 MTS TO READ TWO PAGES THAT BECAUSE MSN KEPT DISTURBING.....

I ONLY HEARD ABOUT THIS GUY AND TO BE HONEST I THINK IN THIS CASE HE DESERVED THE DEATH PENALTY... WHY.... LET ME TELL YOU WHY.....

NOW HE WANTS TO BE A CIVILIZED AND REFORMED PERSON CUZ HE WROTE CHILDREN BOOK

CUZ SO FAMOUS ACTORS DID A MOVIE ABOUT HIM

HIS STILL GOT IS CONNECTIONS TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD

SEE WE ALL VIEW THIS FROM THE OUTSIDE BUT INSIDE HIS 4 BY 4 WALLS AND BETWEEN HIS INMATES HE WAS STILL A KING... DO AND GET WATEVER HE WANTS EVEN WITH THE GUARDS......SO YEA HE PERSONALLY DESERVED THE DEATH PENALTY IT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO STOP AND HOPEFULLY THIS VIOLENCE WILL STOP.............

don_plyero · Guru

man i respect everyones opinion but i dont agree with what they did on this one this was a cold blooded murder by americans im not gonna state more of my opinion cuz i will keep talkin non stop

CrazyBeautiful · Guru

some say hes innocent,...but how innocent can he be if he was founder of the crips???..

Chale_Tanga · TOP Guru

Daeveed wrote:

Genie, I am not a judge. I can't tell you how death penalty should be given. I can just tell you that I believe it is fair that a person who is responsible for so many deaths, and so much suffering, shold be given a death penalty. Regardless of who that person is, or what that person has done to try to redeem him/herself.

Good point Daeveed!

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

GENIE wrote:

NEW RULE INCASE U DIDNT KNOW BUT U CANT DART THE FORO MASTER!!! LMAO@!!!

LOL Genie!!!! I finally know what D.A.R.T means jijiji ....

Jade · Guru

If you believe in God, you believe that he is the only one the can judge, make life and take life.

We are all humans and are equal. We do not have the right over other life.

If a criminal is senteced to the death Penalty, I think that they are happy to get such a punishment because they already hate their life anyway...they would commit suicide but you need guts to do that..and well since they are cowards they wont attempt to kill themselves...so being killed is more of an out for them. (In my opinion)

Criminals are not normal people...they are people that have mental/physical/emotional/spiritural problems. I know the rest of us do too, but their problems go beyond that, maybe their way their character was formed from birth cannot take dealing with such problems like we all can...I mean I am not saying have sympathy for these people, but theres something obvioulsy wrong with them...they are definetly not normal if they commit such crimes.

Therefore punishing them to death or keeping them in prisons will not HELP them, its just a hollow punishment...there is no gain from that...thats why those that get out re-offend as no meaning has been placed on their punishment. I ve heard that lately, prisons (at least Canadian) are concentrating in dealing with Criminals in more of a "REHABILATION" manner and not so much of a "PUNISHMENT" manner. That could be an alternative to capital punishment. Rehab vs punishment??

GENIE · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

You know what???????? D.A.R.T. D.A.R.T.

actually mr. d.a.r.t police technically this is not a dart thread because i mearly started it to post what i believe was a big and serious case and the death of an innocent man!! U ALL TURNED INTO the whold DEATH PENALTY!! SO ITS NOT A DART!! THANKS OH AND NEW RULE INCASE U DIDNT KNOW BUT U CANT DART THE FORO MASTER!!! LMAO@!!!

Julie · Comandante

jajajaja I was waiting for that one since the begining.

It took you some time though.

-- Edited by Julie at 13:26, 2005-12-13

Daeveed · Foro Master

You know what????????

D.A.R.T.

Leo · Guru

Dulce Galletita... I would never argue about abortion with a woman. I lack what it takes to really understand what abortion means, and thus I can only talk about what i believe about it... which is what I posted. As you say, it's a matter of different opinions.

Yesi, as if ANYONE getting killed was not bad enough, having a relative killed is something I can only beging to imagine.

The same way I can only begin to imagine how would it feel it that same relative was accused of murder and sentenced to death.

Once the sentence is given, once the appeals are overturned, it doesn't matter whether it's a friend or a foe. He/she will die, and at that point, since death penalty is in the books, well, the only thing left is to apply it, right? Only that, this time, your/my/our ethical rage won't be as satisfied, I am afraid.

(that, for not to suppose how would it feel if this accused/sentenced relative is telling you that he/she did not do it).

Once a law is in the books, it's subjectable to all kinds of abuses. Just as some people abuse -if I am allowed to say it that way- of laws that protect the acces to and the practice of abortion, treating it as a mere anti/conception procedure. But thinking about both subjects as I do, the abuse of the death penalty is much much more traumatic and socially lethal. (no pun intended). And as it is hard to establish a credible legal framework for a "case by case" procedure in the law codes, I'd rather keep some forms of abortion legal and accesible and ban all forms of death penalty.

PRINCESSA · TOP Guru

Chale_Tanga wrote:

let me ask you ladies something....What sort of punishment does the taking of another life merit?Before you answer, remember... the ones affected are not only the victims themselves. There are families to take into consideration, lost dreams and ambitions, a life not fulfilled etc etc.

I agree with you 100%

He killed ppl. & harmed families (screw him).......In my opinion kill the F_cker.

Why would I feel sorry......one less criminal to worry about.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Yesi wrote:

You are right Bainaman, but you know what if they kill my mom and sister, I would not mind if someone killed me after I kill whoever killed them. You might ask why? Cause their all I have and I prefer to be dead than to live with out them. That is just me Yesi

I hear ya.......I thing that I'd probably lose it too..........and I don't know how far I'd go if someone killed my mom for example.......

Yesi · Guru

Bainaman wrote:

Yesi wrote: I definatelly agree with Daeveed on this one. If someone killed my mom or sister I would not give a Shiat and I would definatelly want them dead. Yesi Then someone wants you dead.......and when you dead....another one of your family members wants your killer dead....and so on and so forth....... I don't know.......like I said.......I think the feeling would be normal to have.....but not to carry it out...

You are right Bainaman, but you know what if they kill my mom and sister, I would not mind if someone killed me after I kill whoever killed them. You might ask why? Cause their all I have and I prefer to be dead than to live with out them.

That is just me

Yesi

Bainaman · Foro Master

Yesi wrote:

I definatelly agree with Daeveed on this one. If someone killed my mom or sister I would not give a Shiat and I would definatelly want them dead. Yesi

Then someone wants you dead.......and when you dead....another one of your family members wants your killer dead....and so on and so forth.......

I don't know.......like I said.......I think the feeling would be normal to have.....but not to carry it out...

Yesi · Guru

Daeveed wrote:

GENIE wrote: AT NO TIME IS THE MURDERER ANY BETTER BUT THEN WHY STOOP DOWN AND DO THE SAME THING HE DID?? JUST SO U CAN FEEL BETTER AND THEN LIKE BAINA SAID THE CIRCLE KEEPS GOING?? HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW TAKING THERE LIFE IS BETTER?? Yes he was the founder of the Crips but like he stated never did he imagine that it would be what it is today to him the crips was to be what many of us have in one way expereinced and that is a local street gang never did he think of it being as big as it got! Have death penalty applied to him will probably not make me feel any better. We are talking about justice here, not about feelings. It is fair that his family suffers as much as I suffer. It is not fair that his family can visit him at prison, and I have to visit the cemetery.

I definatelly agree with Daeveed on this one. If someone killed my mom or sister I would not give a Shiat and I would definatelly want them dead.

Yesi

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

but why not strive towards that......instead of conforming to the reality......... you shouldn't go around saying....."Well...they're doing it....so that means it's ok for me to do it too"...........Does that sound right to you?????

You are right too. But in order to strive for that type of ideal world, I think the first step is preventing crime, and not forgiving the ones that are being committed.

Once you prevent crime like that, even if death penalty is written on the books, it won't be necessary to apply it. But we are far far far away from that...

Daeveed · Foro Master

GENIE wrote:

SO HOW DO U JUDGE OR GIVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE WHICH CASE IS DESERVED OF IT AND WHICH ISNT?? I MEAN LETS SAY IM FOR THE DEATH PENALTY(I AM NOT) BUT LETS SAY AND MY BROTHER IS MURDERED AND I WANT TO SEEK IT BUT ITS UP TO A JUDGE TO DECIDE AND HE SAYS NO BUT THEN UR BOTHER IS KILLED AND HIS MURDERER IS PUT TO DEATH. THEN HOW COME URS GETS TO DIE AND MINE DOENST??? DO U SEE HOW THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE JUST BECAUSE HE MURDERED TWO HIS LIFE IS LESS THEN THE ONE WHO MURDERED ONE??? JUST SAYING

Genie, I am not a judge. I can't tell you how death penalty should be given. I can just tell you that I believe it is fair that a person who is responsible for so many deaths, and so much suffering, shold be given a death penalty. Regardless of who that person is, or what that person has done to try to redeem him/herself.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote: .......and taking someones life is not up to anyone. but Baina...how can that make sense if the world is full of killers?? maybe if you say ".......and taking someones life should not be up to anyone." it would be more accurate, but then again, it would not reflect the reality of today, just an ideal world.

You're right.......your choice of words is better......taking a life should not be up to anyone..........and yes it's in an ideal world........but why not strive towards that......instead of conforming to the reality.........

you shouldn't go around saying....."Well...they're doing it....so that means it's ok for me to do it too"...........Does that sound right to you?????

Daeveed · Foro Master

GENIE wrote:

AT NO TIME IS THE MURDERER ANY BETTER BUT THEN WHY STOOP DOWN AND DO THE SAME THING HE DID?? JUST SO U CAN FEEL BETTER AND THEN LIKE BAINA SAID THE CIRCLE KEEPS GOING?? HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW TAKING THERE LIFE IS BETTER?? Yes he was the founder of the Crips but like he stated never did he imagine that it would be what it is today to him the crips was to be what many of us have in one way expereinced and that is a local street gang never did he think of it being as big as it got!

Have death penalty applied to him will probably not make me feel any better. We are talking about justice here, not about feelings.

It is fair that his family suffers as much as I suffer.

It is not fair that his family can visit him at prison, and I have to visit the cemetery.

GENIE · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote: So two things happen..... You become "that same guy" that killed your loved one.....You have just become as much of a killer as he was........ and....You feed the cycle.....'cause now someone wants you dead......" 'cause it's fair". I don't deny that I think I'd wanna kill the person who killed my family member.....but I doubt that I would... Yes, I would become a killer, that's why I am for the death penalty, and not for the ability to take justice on my own hands.You feed the cycle.....'cause now someone wants you dead......" 'cause it's fair". I don't think that's true, when death penalty is applied through the legal channels. The first murder was by choice, the second was the punishment. I also want to say that I am not for death penalty to be applied to every murder case. Like in everything, there are different situations.

SO HOW DO U JUDGE OR GIVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE WHICH CASE IS DESERVED OF IT AND WHICH ISNT?? I MEAN LETS SAY IM FOR THE DEATH PENALTY(I AM NOT) BUT LETS SAY AND MY BROTHER IS MURDERED AND I WANT TO SEEK IT BUT ITS UP TO A JUDGE TO DECIDE AND HE SAYS NO BUT THEN UR BOTHER IS KILLED AND HIS MURDERER IS PUT TO DEATH. THEN HOW COME URS GETS TO DIE AND MINE DOENST??? DO U SEE HOW THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE JUST BECAUSE HE MURDERED TWO HIS LIFE IS LESS THEN THE ONE WHO MURDERED ONE??? JUST SAYING

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Leo wrote:

May I take the abortion/death penalty question? Thanks. Ahheeemmm!!! Abortion is about enabling an otherwise inminent mother-to-be to, for whatever may be considered "valid" reasons at the moment and place in question, interrupt her pregnancy at a point when no fetus that can be given birth to has actually been formed in her womb. It is usually applied at the mother-to-be's request, and its practice is highly regulated by both legal and moral norms and standards.

Ummm, I don't know about that Leo ... I mean everyone has a right to their opinion, and I respect that 100% ... For me though, the moment the male sperm and the women's egg conjoin it's LIFE in my eyes ...

"From the very beginning, once a human egg is fertilized by sperm, there exists a new human being. All information about the child's sex, hair color, eye color, and much more is already present from the beginning"

But like I said ... I respect everyone's opinion, things happen for reasons!

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

.......and taking someones life is not up to anyone.

but Baina...how can that make sense if the world is full of killers??

maybe if you say ".......and taking someones life should not be up to anyone." it would be more accurate, but then again, it would not reflect the reality of today, just an ideal world.

GENIE · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

GENIE wrote: SO HOW ARE U OR THE LEGAL SYSTEM ANY BETTER THEN THE MURDERER? STANLEY TOOKIE WILLIAMS WAS A SPECIAL CASE GIVE THAT AT LEAST. I'm not saying I'm better, after all we're all equal aren't we??? Or is a murderer better because he does have the capability to kill, and the rest of the world doesn't??? William's case was special for sure....he's one of the founders of the crips. That alone makes him responsible for decades of violence on the streets, and hundreds of lives.

AT NO TIME IS THE MURDERER ANY BETTER BUT THEN WHY STOOP DOWN AND DO THE SAME THING HE DID?? JUST SO U CAN FEEL BETTER AND THEN LIKE BAINA SAID THE CIRCLE KEEPS GOING?? HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW TAKING THERE LIFE IS BETTER??

Yes he was the founder of the Crips but like he stated never did he imagine that it would be what it is today to him the crips was to be what many of us have in one way expereinced and that is a local street gang never did he think of it being as big as it got!

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

So two things happen..... You become "that same guy" that killed your loved one.....You have just become as much of a killer as he was........ and....You feed the cycle.....'cause now someone wants you dead......" 'cause it's fair". I don't deny that I think I'd wanna kill the person who killed my family member.....but I doubt that I would...

Yes, I would become a killer, that's why I am for the death penalty, and not for the ability to take justice on my own hands.

You feed the cycle.....'cause now someone wants you dead......" 'cause it's fair".

I don't think that's true, when death penalty is applied through the legal channels.

The first murder was by choice, the second was the punishment.

I also want to say that I am not for death penalty to be applied to every murder case. Like in everything, there are different situations.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Leo wrote:

May I take the abortion/death penalty question? Thanks. Ahheeemmm!!! Abortion is about enabling an otherwise inminent mother-to-be to, for whatever may be considered "valid" reasons at the moment and place in question, interrupt her pregnancy at a point when no fetus that can be given birth to has actually been formed in her womb. It is usually applied at the mother's request, and its practice is highly regulated by both legal and moral norms and standards. Death penalty is about making sure that some -usually poor and/or anonimous- defendants get the roughest deal out of crimes they are most likely not to be proven enough responsable for. It is usually -to say the least- applied against the will of the defendant, and its practice seems to be encouraged by the particular needs and priorities of whoever it may be the idiot in charge at the moment in the government. That's why I have no problem whatsoever supporting the first, and abhorring the second.

I agreed with you until you put this abortion thing man.....

I'm against both......

A life is a life is a life is a life.......and taking someones life is not up to anyone.

Daeveed · Foro Master

GENIE wrote:

SO HOW ARE U OR THE LEGAL SYSTEM ANY BETTER THEN THE MURDERER? STANLEY TOOKIE WILLIAMS WAS A SPECIAL CASE GIVE THAT AT LEAST.

I'm not saying I'm better, after all we're all equal aren't we??? Or is a murderer better because he does have the capability to kill, and the rest of the world doesn't???

William's case was special for sure....he's one of the founders of the crips. That alone makes him responsible for decades of violence on the streets, and hundreds of lives.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote: If someone kills your family member..........would you want to kill the person who did it? Why? or Why not?? Of course i would. If not by myself, then I would like the Legal System to kil him. Because it is fair. I don't care if he is sorry, or if he went on a book-writing frenzy. I don't want to feed the person who killed one of my family members with the taxes I pay. I want him dead.

So two things happen.....

You become "that same guy" that killed your loved one.....You have just become as much of a killer as he was........

and....You feed the cycle.....'cause now someone wants you dead......" 'cause it's fair".

I don't deny that I think I'd wanna kill the person who killed my family member.....but I doubt that I would...

Leo · Guru

May I take the abortion/death penalty question? Thanks.

Ahheeemmm!!!

Abortion is about enabling an otherwise inminent mother-to-be to, for whatever may be considered "valid" reasons at the moment and place in question, interrupt her pregnancy at a point when no fetus that can be given birth to has actually been formed in her womb. It is usually applied at the mother-to-be's request, and its practice is highly regulated by both legal and moral norms and standards.

Death penalty is about making sure that some -usually poor and/or anonimous- defendants get the roughest deal out of crimes they are most likely not to be proven enough responsable for. It is usually -to say the least- applied against the will of the defendant, and its practice seems to be encouraged by the particular needs and priorities of whoever it may be the idiot in charge at the moment in the government.

That's why I have no problem whatsoever supporting the first, and abhorring the second.

-- Edited by Leo at 12:13, 2005-12-13

GENIE · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote: If someone kills your family member..........would you want to kill the person who did it? Why? or Why not?? Of course i would. If not by myself, then I would like the Legal System to kil him. Because it is fair. I don't care if he is sorry, or if he went on a book-writing frenzy. I don't want to feed the person who killed one of my family members with the taxes I pay. I want him dead.

SO HOW ARE U OR THE LEGAL SYSTEM ANY BETTER THEN THE MURDERER?

STANLEY TOOKIE WILLIAMS WAS A SPECIAL CASE GIVE THAT AT LEAST.

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

If I tell you that you can't smoke weed....would you stop!!?!?? NO! It's not a matter of telling someone what they can or can't do..........Like you said....everyone has been given free will.........What you do with it....is up to you..........You're the one that will deal with the consequences.....what ever they may be...... If someone kills your family member..........would you want to kill the person who did it? Why? or Why not??

Wanting and doing are 2 different things ... Yes, I would want to "kill" the person who killed my loved family member for sure!! But would I do it, NO ... I don't think I could even if I wanted it soo bad, because I wouldn't gain a thing with that ... What would I do? I would fight so hard for that person to rot in jail!! And not a luxury jail.

Yo no tengo la vida comprada ... y no soy nadie para quitarle la vida a nadie aunque lo merezcan ...

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

If someone kills your family member..........would you want to kill the person who did it? Why? or Why not??

Of course i would. If not by myself, then I would like the Legal System to kil him. Because it is fair. I don't care if he is sorry, or if he went on a book-writing frenzy. I don't want to feed the person who killed one of my family members with the taxes I pay. I want him dead.

GENIE · Foro Master

I WOULD PERFER MY TAX DOLLARS GOING TO KEEPING THESE MEN IN JAIL LOCKED UP THEN GOING TO KILLING THEM!! im against it 100% because even with the best technology and the best DNA THIS AND THAT there is still room for human error not to mention the CORUPT POLICING SYSTEM BOTH HERE AND THE USA.

Bainaman · Foro Master

Daeveed wrote:

Bainaman wrote:
I'm with Chilenita on this one...... No man has the right to take another mans life.....EVER!

But man has the choice, and that seems to be good enough for some.
If you tell a serial killer he has no right to kill people...is he going to stop just because of it?? I don't think so, and the same goes for the governments.

If I tell you that you can't smoke weed....would you stop!!?!?? NO!

It's not a matter of telling someone what they can or can't do..........Like you said....everyone has been given free will.........What you do with it....is up to you..........You're the one that will deal with the consequences.....what ever they may be......

If someone kills your family member..........would you want to kill the person who did it? Why? or Why not??

DulceGalletita · Foro Master

McOSIRIS wrote:

Excelent point.....I rather give my "tax" money to feed childrens or homeless ppl, instead of feeding rapists and killers.... You either eliminate them or make produce something beneficial....

So then the "forced work" is a solution ...

Leo · Guru

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"AN EYE FOR AN EYE" may sound like a very fair option.

And, sure, it will be... until it's about someone you love who is going to death row.

I mean... how many people would we have to kill? Who pays for the quarter million iraquis dead in the last 2 years? Who pays for the Rwandans, one million murdered in 10 days, who pays for the dead of El Chorrillo, en Panama, who pays for the millions who die to illness we don't even hear about here in the West?

Capital punishment goes 100% to prove that ignorance is bliss.

GENIE · Foro Master

PRESS RELEASE

December 12, 2005

AIUSA Says Gov. Schwarzenegger Placed Faith in Broken Death Penalty System That Is Currently Under Scrutiny by Senate Commission
Gov. Must Stay All Executions and Let Senate Commission Finish Its Work
(Washington, D.C.)--Dr. William F. Schulz, Executive Director, Amnesty International USA, today released the following statement regarding California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's decision to allow Stanley Tookie Williams to be executed early Tuesday morning:

Now that Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has made the regrettable decision to deny clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, Amnesty International implores the Governor to stay all executions in the state and to let the Senate Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice complete its work and submit its recommendations.

By refusing to stay Williams' execution, Gov. Schwarzenegger has failed to demonstrate genuine leadership on this issue. In his prepared statement, he said that he was placing his trust in California's criminal justice system, which the Senate Commission is currently investigating. Last year, the legislative body recognized the pervasive flaws plaguing the system and tasked the Commission with discovering and exposing the potentially lethal errors and bias that have metastasized throughout the state's administration of the death penalty.

As California's highest-ranking public official, Gov. Schwarzenegger has an obligation to guarantee that all of the state's laws are applied equally to everyone--even people on death row. But today, he abandoned that responsibility and left the more than 640 death row inmates to fend for themselves in the state's broken system. According to the Santa Clara Law Review, California's death penalty system is incapable of providing equal protection because it lacks "... the basic safeguards to avoid capricious, erroneous, and discriminatory application of the death penalty."

God · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

chino cochino wrote:
Tookie Williams got what he deserved.If anything he was able to live a better life than he should have. He was on death row for so many years before being put to death. In that time he starting writing books to supposedly help kids stay away from gangs. He was nominated for Nobel Prize because of that and his charity work. BULLSH#T!!So he says he's innocent, but there are loads or hard evindence to argue that. He says he wanted to stop the violence and thinks freakin books were gonna do that. Please.He should have talked about the origin of the crips. How they operate and how they make they're money and grow. He never did that cause he said he ain't a snitch. No he's gone, but he left a gang legacy that will live on. I don't feel sorry for him. If they had given him clemency he would have gotten a second chance at life that his victims never got.
I respect your opinion but again I guess this all comes down to wether or not you are against capital punishment. I am against capital punishment 100%.

I remember your point of view on abortion and you are Pro-Choice, right ? ....and when it comes to a criminal you are Pro Life ...

If you don't mind can you explain your reasoning behind , because you are willing to kill a fetus But you are Ok protecting a Murderer

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

Having people rot in prison solves nothing either, so why be for it too?? In fact, it is known that many connections can be made while in prison. Plus, it is expensive to keep them alive too.

Excelent point.....I rather give my "tax" money to feed childrens or homeless ppl, instead of feeding rapists and killers....

You either eliminate them or make produce something beneficial....

Daeveed · Foro Master

Bainaman wrote:

I'm with Chilenita on this one...... No man has the right to take another mans life.....EVER!

But man has the choice, and that seems to be good enough for some.

If you tell a serial killer he has no right to kill people...is he going to stop just because of it?? I don't think so, and the same goes for the governments.

Daeveed · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

Why be for it? It solves NOTHING....crime rate in states that have capital punishment does not go down and that is a proven fact! What is the point? I think you are either against killing people or not. Of course I could get into the Guy Paul Moran's of the world but that would be too long.....even ONE life taken by mistake is one to many.

Having people rot in prison solves nothing either, so why be for it too?? In fact, it is known that many connections can be made while in prison. Plus, it is expensive to keep them alive too.

Bainaman · Foro Master

I'm with Chilenita on this one......

No man has the right to take another mans life.....EVER!

Chilenita · Comandante

chino cochino wrote:

Hi Chilenita,I used to be against Capital Punishment a few years ago, but I am not anymore.The number of innocent people that have died due to it is small. With the advancement of DNA these days it's harder to convict an innocent man/woman than it used to be. I believe that you should get what you deserve. I can't imagine having a loved one taken away from me by a criminal and knowing that the killer would only get life in jail or have a chance of parole after a few years. That means the killer gets to live. Jail may not be the best place to live, but he'll live. I wouldn't be able to live with that.

I hear you cochino (been dying to call you that - lol) I hear you I guess we can just agree to disagree....

MCORISISIISI....I am all for the forced work for life as well!!!!! Harder sentencing and tougher life in prison!!!

McOSIRIS · Comandante

Chilenita wrote:

I knew you would ask that and my answer is no....in fact I think I answered that on another thread. I would for PERSONAL reasons be able to torutre and kill him myself but no I don't agree with captial punishment and I think it's much more fun to watch him live the way he is living. Imagine capital punishment existed in Chile during the coup....they would have been able to kill many more people. I would gain NOTHING out of Pinochet being put to death.....it wont take away what happened to my family. So even though we lost family members...my dad last two years of his life and everything else that happened my HONEST and true answer is NO I would not gain anything if he was put to death.

Valuable point....but I think capital punishment should be there....not to be enforced, but as a way of example....like don't kill or "you" will be killed....

that's my opinion....I also believe that forced work for life should be another option besides the capital punishment... as well as castration for pedophiles and rapists.....

Chilenita · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

Chilenita wrote: I am against capital punishment 100%. Why?

Why be for it? It solves NOTHING....crime rate in states that have capital punishment does not go down and that is a proven fact! What is the point? I think you are either against killing people or not. Of course I could get into the Guy Paul Moran's of the world but that would be too long.....even ONE life taken by mistake is one to many.

Chilenita · Comandante

McOSIRIS wrote:

Chilenita wrote: I am against capital punishment 100%. would you kill Pinochet for what he did????

I knew you would ask that and my answer is no....in fact I think I answered that on another thread. I would for PERSONAL reasons be able to torutre and kill him myself but no I don't agree with captial punishment and I think it's much more fun to watch him live the way he is living. Imagine capital punishment existed in Chile during the coup....they would have been able to kill many more people. I would gain NOTHING out of Pinochet being put to death.....it wont take away what happened to my family. So even though we lost family members...my dad last two years of his life and everything else that happened my HONEST and true answer is NO I would not gain anything if he was put to death.