A chocolate kid! I'd have a lot of explaining to do. I'd have to be saying to hubby "el negrito es el unico tuyo". Or better yet, I'd be eating my kids!!!
Ok, but say that everytime you ate chocolate, it wouldn't just go into your gut but it would come out your butt as a little creature with a life and a mind of his own. You wouldn't know what kind of creature it would turn out to be: good, bad, productive, a parasite, whatever. Would you still have that chocolate? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You just made laugh out loud! The mental pic I just got! Okay, first of all, I don't know if you know this, but kids don't come out of your butt. Other things do, but not kids. I'll bring graphics if I ever get to meet you. Second, if I'm having a "little creature" every time I have a chocolate, I'm going on a no-chocolate-ever diet. If I have a chocolate and every time I'm having a kid, I think how they turn out would be the least of my worries.
Ooooooh or even better: a chocolate kid! My wildest dreams come true!!!
Ok, but say that everytime you ate chocolate, it wouldn't just go into your gut but it would come out your butt as a little creature with a life and a mind of his own. You wouldn't know what kind of creature it would turn out to be: good, bad, productive, a parasite, whatever. Would you still have that chocolate? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You just made laugh out loud! The mental pic I just got! Okay, first of all, I don't know if you know this, but kids don't come out of your butt. Other things do, but not kids. I'll bring graphics if I ever get to meet you. Second, if I'm having a "little creature" every time I have a chocolate, I'm going on a no-chocolate-ever diet. If I have a chocolate and every time I'm having a kid, I think how they turn out would be the least of my worries.
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I'm such a geek. Daeveed, you made me look it up. Yeah, it's some organelle (?) found in most eukaryotic (?) cells containing enzymes (?) for (?) respiration and energy production. Now I know why I gave up on science in grade 6. To understand that concept I'd have to look up 6 more words and so on and so forth. I give up. I'll take your word for it. Lahtina: right now I'm thinking about having a chocolate bar. Realistically, I know that if I have it, it'll go straight to my gut and if I think about it, I really shouldn't have it. But I want it. It was meant to be eaten. And I know I'll enjoy it. I shouldn't even think about having it but I will because I want to. I'm in no way comparing a chocolate bar with a kid. I just think chocolate is yummy and I want some right now. And I shouldn't even think about having it in the first place. I should just go and get it and eat it and get it over with. But if you don't want to have kids, then you shouldn't. I think Daeveed IS a virus.
Can't argue with that!
Ok, but say that everytime you ate chocolate, it wouldn't just go into your gut but it would come out your butt as a little creature with a life and a mind of his own. You wouldn't know what kind of creature it would turn out to be: good, bad, productive, a parasite, whatever. Would you still have that chocolate?
I'm such a geek. Daeveed, you made me look it up. Yeah, it's some organelle (?) found in most eukaryotic (?) cells containing enzymes (?) for (?) respiration and energy production. Now I know why I gave up on science in grade 6. To understand that concept I'd have to look up 6 more words and so on and so forth. I give up. I'll take your word for it.
Lahtina: right now I'm thinking about having a chocolate bar. Realistically, I know that if I have it, it'll go straight to my gut and if I think about it, I really shouldn't have it. But I want it. It was meant to be eaten. And I know I'll enjoy it. I shouldn't even think about having it but I will because I want to. I'm in no way comparing a chocolate bar with a kid. I just think chocolate is yummy and I want some right now. And I shouldn't even think about having it in the first place. I should just go and get it and eat it and get it over with. But if you don't want to have kids, then you shouldn't. I think Daeveed IS a virus.
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No Daeveed: the Matrix writers stole that concept from me. Haterz. Mithocondria, now, that brings me back to like grade 6 science. I don't remember what it is, though.
It is part of a cell, and I think it has to do with synthezising(sp?) proteins or some useless crap like that.
Lahtina wrote: The question remains: taken the world's current conditions, should we think twice, thrice and a whole lot more before birthing a child? Given the world's current conditions, we should all commit suicide right this minute.
A little extreme, don't you think?
But seriously, human beings are extremely adaptable creatures. The things that we're going through right now, our ancestors would go crazy if they had only imagined any of this would be possible. And yet, we're adapting and surviving. So will our children, and so will their children's children and so on. Life has a way of solving itself and if not, everyone will disappear together, don't you think? You just can't base saving your children the pain of going through life because with that you also take away of giving them the joy of HAVING AND LIVING life in the first place.
How could I take anything away if they are non existent? I'm not saying that people should stop having kids all together, I'm saying that we should think first before conceiving. Most people don't.
No Daeveed: the Matrix writers stole that concept from me. Haterz. Mithocondria, now, that brings me back to like grade 6 science. I don't remember what it is, though.
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Welcome back long-missing-foro-twin-brother. I am not going to talk about the having kids thing, because i don't want to, but I think I want to talk about the earth and stuff. I think that the only hope for Earth's salvation lays now almost exclusively on the hands of its major enemies...the multinational corporations. Due to the increasingly growing capitalistic nature of the world we live in, the global decisions (environmental ones included) are driven by today's biggest economic conglomerates. When corporations find their opportunities for profit in danger, due to environmental limitations or shortages, they will have mainly two options to continue making money. First (and least probable) is to change the nature of their business to another that could give them more returns. Second is to lower their impact on the environment (by funding more research of newer/cleaner technologies), so they can save and preserve their most important capital, Earth. Unfortunately, as long as these entities don't see an inminent danger for their pockets, not much will be done environmentally speaking, other than implementing the necessary regulations to comply with international political standards (like the Kyoto agreement), but which are now seen more like a burden than a good initiative for all humans.
I agree with what you say, Daeveed. That first point you bring up is something that should not be a last second measure, it's something that should have been in full force some ten years ago.
The way we live is completely unsustainable, and getting more so rather than less so. Altering the way we live so it is sustainable does not even make it onto the agenda of those who run the world. They are too busy starting wars so they can get their hands on even more oil.
The two most populous countries in the world (India and China) are just beginning to emulate western behaviour, and neither of them are likely to behave sustainably either. Increasingly unsustainable behaviour only has one outcome. Care to guess what it is?
Welcome back long-missing-foro-twin-brother. I am not going to talk about the having kids thing, because i don't want to, but I think I want to talk about the earth and stuff. I think that the only hope for Earth's salvation lays now almost exclusively on the hands of its major enemies...the multinational corporations. Due to the increasingly growing capitalistic nature of the world we live in, the global decisions (environmental ones included) are driven by today's biggest economic conglomerates. When corporations find their opportunities for profit in danger, due to environmental limitations or shortages, they will have mainly two options to continue making money. First (and least probable) is to change the nature of their business to another that could give them more returns. Second is to lower their impact on the environment (by funding more research of newer/cleaner technologies), so they can save and preserve their most important capital, Earth. Unfortunately, as long as these entities don't see an inminent danger for their pockets, not much will be done environmentally speaking, other than implementing the necessary regulations to comply with international political standards (like the Kyoto agreement), but which are now seen more like a burden than a good initiative for all humans.
You reminded of my least favourite class in university, and the one I ended up getting the most out of: Global Political Economy. That was probably one of the lectures, what you just said.
Did you also know that we're a virus and we will eventually be the sole reason for our own demise? You probably do.
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The question remains: taken the world's current conditions, should we think twice, thrice and a whole lot more before birthing a child?
Given the world's current conditions, we should all commit suicide right this minute. But seriously, human beings are extremely adaptable creatures. The things that we're going through right now, our ancestors would go crazy if they had only imagined any of this would be possible. And yet, we're adapting and surviving. So will our children, and so will their children's children and so on. Life has a way of solving itself and if not, everyone will disappear together, don't you think? You just can't base saving your children the pain of going through life because with that you also take away of giving them the joy of HAVING AND LIVING life in the first place.
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Earth is Terra, World is You and I Is the world so ugly/evil out there that we should question the purpose of bringing more people into it - as in bearing children? Are we unconsciously mean and selfish people? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maracuya, you have a funky way of posing questions. To try to answer your question, 99% of the people bringing children into the world are busier bringing children into the world than thinking about why they should/should not bring children into the world. If anyone thought about it, the earth would've been desolate millions of years ago. On a totally unrelated subject, is your nick the name of a fruit?
I seriously doubt it. There would be less people which might not be a bad idea for the environment's sake but we'd probably be less developed (science, technology and thought).
The question remains: taken the world's current conditions, should we think twice, thrice and a whole lot more before birthing a child?
I am not going to talk about the having kids thing, because i don't want to, but I think I want to talk about the earth and stuff.
I think that the only hope for Earth's salvation lays now almost exclusively on the hands of its major enemies...the multinational corporations.
Due to the increasingly growing capitalistic nature of the world we live in, the global decisions (environmental ones included) are driven by today's biggest economic conglomerates. When corporations find their opportunities for profit in danger, due to environmental limitations or shortages, they will have mainly two options to continue making money. First (and least probable) is to change the nature of their business to another that could give them more returns. Second is to lower their impact on the environment (by funding more research of newer/cleaner technologies), so they can save and preserve their most important capital, Earth.
Unfortunately, as long as these entities don't see an inminent danger for their pockets, not much will be done environmentally speaking, other than implementing the necessary regulations to comply with international political standards (like the Kyoto agreement), but which are now seen more like a burden than a good initiative for all humans.
Earth is Terra, World is You and I Is the world so ugly/evil out there that we should question the purpose of bringing more people into it - as in bearing children?
Are we unconsciously mean and selfish people? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maracuya, you have a funky way of posing questions. To try to answer your question, 99% of the people bringing children into the world are busier bringing children into the world than thinking about why they should/should not bring children into the world. If anyone thought about it, the earth would've been desolate millions of years ago. On a totally unrelated subject, is your nick the name of a fruit?
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I think it's a real shame that people that are unfit to be parents are popping children out like nothing.........
I also think that humans in general are extremely selfish......As animals we are the most dangerous and the most irresponsible......We are the only one that have sex for pleasure and not for procreation.........
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I couldn't really give him any answer, just like I can't come up with an answer now. Why do people decide to birth children? Is it not ultimately for human preservation? Can that be considered a selfish act? I don't think so. We are animals, after all, and whether we like it or not, our actions and emotions are governed greatly by our instincts. So, desiring a child out of biological needs is normal.
However, we are rational beings as well so of course we should question the purpose of bringing more people into the world. From my perspective, the world's future looks very bleak. It would not be outlandish to say that it is inevitable that the modern world we live in will not survive for another 100 years. Whether or not humanity will survive the approaching environmental apocalypse is another question. But what is absolutely guaranteed (the way I see it) is that the period of the next 50 - 100 years is going to be characterized by human suffering and death on a scale which exceeds all previous periods of human suffering and death by an order of magnitude. Heck, we're seeing that everyday!
So, I couldn't and still can't answer how anyone can morally justify intentionally bringing a child into this world, especially if the main motive is to provide meaning for their own life.
Lahtina wrote: Interesting. I had this same discussion with my ex. He argued that selfishness is the only reason why people conceive and decide to bring a child into this world.
Interesting. I had this same discussion with my ex. He argued that selfishness is the only reason why people conceive and decide to bring a child into this world.
Second, if I'm having a "little creature" every time I have a chocolate, I'm going on a no-chocolate-ever diet. If I have a chocolate and every time I'm having a kid, I think how they turn out would be the least of my worries. 
"Most of us fall short much more by omission than by commission."
