Gay Parents

LaDyBuG · Comandante

RE: Gay Parents

Ke Te Pika · Guru

SO TEMPTED TO REPLY BUH Y'ALL KNO MY STAND POINT.....

SO.... GOOD LUCK IN YOUR " CHOICES" PEOPLES....

Miel · Guru

@Confundida,. yes,. that s what the Bible said,.. but it depends if u believe in what the Bible has written on it,. remember The Bible was written by men,. but inspired by God,. Also,. there is many theories that as humans we can't be sure about it,. and we'll never be,..

confundida · Foro Master

Chale_Tanga wrote:

Miel wrote: I guess ,. in one way or other,. we all related,. 'cause Adan and Eve were the first ppl on earth,, so they reproduced,. and their children shoul have reproduced with one another,. y asi sucesivamente,. OH MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!me and you need to talk... I heard a theory about this last night, thats pretty tight... Im going to have to share it with you...

WELLL ISNT IT TRUE DAT ACCORDING TO DA BIBLE WE ARE "ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS"

Miel · Guru

Chale_Tanga wrote:

OH MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!me and you need to talk... I heard a theory about this last night, thats pretty tight... Im going to have to share it with you...

yeap,. tell me,. tell me,.. what happend last night,. i miss the chatting with u guys,..

Chale_Tanga · TOP Guru

Miel wrote:

I guess ,. in one way or other,. we all related,. 'cause Adan and Eve were the first ppl on earth,, so they reproduced,. and their children shoul have reproduced with one another,. y asi sucesivamente,.

OH MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!
me and you need to talk... I heard a theory about this last night, thats pretty tight... Im going to have to share it with you...

Chale_Tanga · TOP Guru

confundida wrote:

PLS NIGGAH!!! GUESS WAT PPL ACTUALLY DO HAVE SEX WITH THERE FAMILY MEMBERS..... OR GET MARRIED...... THEN HOW U DO EXPLAIN MONOGAMY???

Yes girl.. I know... its called the state of Alabama.

Miel · Guru

I guess ,. in one way or other,. we all related,. 'cause Adan and Eve were the first ppl on earth,, so they reproduced,. and their children shoul have reproduced with one another,. y asi sucesivamente,.

confundida · Foro Master

Chale_Tanga wrote:

ewwww... incest.....

PLS NIGGAH!!! GUESS WAT PPL ACTUALLY DO HAVE SEX WITH THERE FAMILY MEMBERS..... OR GET MARRIED......

THEN HOW U DO EXPLAIN MONOGAMY???

Chale_Tanga · TOP Guru

ewwww... incest.....

confundida · Foro Master

miguel wrote:

anyone seen documentaries about the bonobo ape?? they screw anything.. brothers.. sisters... male apes screw their fathers... etc etc

I DID!!!

BUT GUESS WAT HOW MUCH CAN U COMPARE AN ANIMAL TO A HUMAN???

SEE DA WORLD CHANGES EVERY DAY, UNLIKE AN ANIMAL THEY ARE IN AN CLOSED ENVIROMENT....ITS DA SAME THING LET SAY WE PUT A BUNCH OF HUMANS DAT DIDNT KNOW THERE WERE RELATED I THINK THEY WOULD BE DOING DA SAME THING....

angelita dulce · Foro Master

miguel wrote:

anyone seen documentaries about the bonobo ape?? they screw anything.. brothers.. sisters... male apes screw their fathers... etc etc

Ya, it's distgusting even they screw in many different positions, engage in homosexual sex and masturbation. I was shocked!!

Miel · Guru

miguel wrote:

anyone seen documentaries about the bonobo ape?? they screw anything.. brothers.. sisters... male apes screw their fathers... etc etc

No,. can u give us more info??,..

miguel · TOP Guru

anyone seen documentaries about the bonobo ape??

they screw anything.. brothers.. sisters... male apes screw their fathers... etc etc

confundida · Foro Master

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS WOW!!!!

DA BATTLE BETWEEN LADYBUG AND CHALE IM NOT GETTING INVOLVED CUZ GUESS WAT IM DA SINGLE MOTHER....

BOTH OF YOU CAN TALK ALL ABOUT SINGLE MOTHERS SINCE YOU BOTH KNOW ME....

AS FOR DLO........

NOW LET ME ASK U THIS....

LET SAY TOMORROW U GET MARRIED WITH A PICKET WHITE FENCE AND SO FORTH....THEN UR HUSBAND LET SAY THREE YRS DOWN DA ROAD TELL U HIS GAY...MIND YOU U HAVE A CHILD ..... ARE U GOING TO STOP UR CHILD FROM SEEING HIS FATHER JUST BECAUSE HIS GAY???

Miel · Guru

I respect everyone's point of view but I still have a hard time believing in gays/lesbian parenting,.. about what Phanta and D_Lo have stated,. my opinion is that u need a sperm and a ovule to produce a child,.. u can't do it with two ovales or sperms,. can u??,. so either was God or the Bing bang who created us,... men and women were meant to procreate together,..

Chilenita · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:

D_Lo wrote: @ Phantasma Yes of course its ok for people who cant naturally conceive to use other methods. What I was saying is that if God wanted gay couples to have kids they would have been able to do it the natural way. Ok so its biologically impossible for two people who are born sterile to conceive yet its acceptable for them to use artifical methods in order to have a child, but 2 gay people for whom conceiving a child is equally as biologically impossible somehow cannot do the same. I see. Makes perfect sense now. u get a gold star!

I changed my avatar in honor of your post!!! LMAO!!

Phantasma · TOP Guru

D_Lo wrote:

@ Phantasma
Yes of course its ok for people who cant naturally conceive to use other methods. What I was saying is that if God wanted gay couples to have kids they would have been able to do it the natural way.

Ok so its biologically impossible for two people who are born sterile to conceive yet its acceptable for them to use artifical methods in order to have a child,

but 2 gay people for whom conceiving a child is equally as biologically impossible somehow cannot do the same.

I see. Makes perfect sense now. u get a gold star!

Chilenita · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

Chilenita wrote: .....you can say CHILENITA is a crack head whore in the middle and I won't catch on don't tempt me.....

Daeveed · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

.....you can say CHILENITA is a crack head whore in the middle and I won't catch on

don't tempt me.....

D_Lo · Senior Member

@ Phantasma

Yes of course its ok for people who cant naturally conceive to use other methods. What I was saying is that if God wanted gay couples to have kids they would have been able to do it the natural way.

Chilenita · Comandante

D_Lo wrote:

This topic sucks because everyone takes things so personal. @ Phantasma - I think its stupid and obvious to ask that people that cant have kids or injured shouldnt be able to use serogate mothers or artifical insamination. BUT.... if they werent unable to have children or they didnt get injured, they would be able to have sex and make a baby. 2 gay people couldnt do that, does this make sense to you?

Daeveed I know I know I just read like the first line....one in the middle and the last one.....you can say CHILENITA is a crack head whore in the middle and I won't catch on

Phantasma · TOP Guru

D_Lo wrote:

This topic sucks because everyone takes things so personal.
@ Phantasma - I think its stupid and obvious to ask that people that cant have kids or injured shouldnt be able to use serogate mothers or artifical insamination. BUT.... if they werent unable to have children or they didnt get injured, they would be able to have sex and make a baby.
2 gay people couldnt do that, does this make sense to you?

Actually no, Im not being sarcastic or anything but it doesnt make sense to me.

so its ok for people who are born sterile to use artificial means to conceive or not?

-- Edited by Phantasma at 15:52, 2005-09-30

Daeveed · Foro Master

you know...I was like..reading..but then..like...there was a lot of words and stuff...so i stopped.

D_Lo · Senior Member

This topic sucks because everyone takes things so personal.

@ Phantasma - I think its stupid and obvious to ask that people that cant have kids or injured shouldnt be able to use serogate mothers or artifical insamination. BUT.... if they werent unable to have children or they didnt get injured, they would be able to have sex and make a baby.

2 gay people couldnt do that, does this make sense to you?

Chilenita · Comandante

Phantasma wrote:

D_Lo wrote: Shit what a posting. It went from a gay joke, to gay parents, to single mothers. Lets just leave it at everyone has the choice to do what they want. The way people choose to be gay, young women choose to get pregnant. I think we can all agree that a couple having unprotected sex knows what will come out of that. I also agree with LGigolo, if God wanted 2 women or 2 men to have kids than they would be able to make babies on their own without serogate mothers or artifile insamination. Ill end my posting by saying that all children deserve to be loved. I might not agree with who theyd be loved by, but in the long run as long as there loved is the most important thing. Kids are the most precious gift in the world. Ok so people who are born sterile are not met to have kids either according to this master plan? what about people who are injured and rendered sterile that way? Also, why would God have invented in vitro and all that, are we sayin that men came up with that on their own without God's help? dunno.. seems a bit of a stretch for you religious types to credit something solely onto mankind... think about it

wanna get married???

Phantasma · TOP Guru

D_Lo wrote:

Shit what a posting. It went from a gay joke, to gay parents, to single mothers.
Lets just leave it at everyone has the choice to do what they want. The way people choose to be gay, young women choose to get pregnant. I think we can all agree that a couple having unprotected sex knows what will come out of that.
I also agree with LGigolo, if God wanted 2 women or 2 men to have kids than they would be able to make babies on their own without serogate mothers or artifile insamination.
Ill end my posting by saying that all children deserve to be loved. I might not agree with who theyd be loved by, but in the long run as long as there loved is the most important thing. Kids are the most precious gift in the world.

Ok so people who are born sterile are not met to have kids either according to this master plan? what about people who are injured and rendered sterile that way? Also, why would God have invented in vitro and all that, are we sayin that men came up with that on their own without God's help? dunno.. seems a bit of a stretch for you religious types to credit something solely onto mankind... think about it

D_Lo · Senior Member

Shit what a posting. It went from a gay joke, to gay parents, to single mothers.

Lets just leave it at everyone has the choice to do what they want. The way people choose to be gay, young women choose to get pregnant. I think we can all agree that a couple having unprotected sex knows what will come out of that.

I also agree with LGigolo, if God wanted 2 women or 2 men to have kids than they would be able to make babies on their own without serogate mothers or artifile insamination.

Ill end my posting by saying that all children deserve to be loved. I might not agree with who theyd be loved by, but in the long run as long as there loved is the most important thing. Kids are the most precious gift in the world.

lilchinita · Guru

I would like to add something to the following statement:

.IT'S NO SECRET THAT IN THE MIDDLE EAST THESE THINGS JUST DON'T HAPPEN, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THAT LIBERAL AND YOU JUST DON'T SLEEP AROUND AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN "OOOOPS I'M PREGNANT"

Did you know that in the Middle East there is prostitution!!!! everything that happens in the Western world happens everywhere else!!!!

I saw this documentary about prostitution in the middle east. They followed around two ladies who were prostitutes. They would stand at the corners with their kid and these men would pick them up!!! There was one part when the lady and her son who must have been two years old got picked up by two men. One man went with her into the room and the other guy took care of the child.

The other lady was a drug addict who was into the same thing. In those countries the women are severly exploited. Their husbands either left or was in jail. The drug addict little baby girl was sold by the husband to some family for drugs. Her husband is in jail now.

They have to do this to feed themselved and their children and to support there habbit. They even have these marriages (With an expiry contract ) the man and woman agree for how long it could be as little as a day or a year (He has to provide for her) but she has to feed him and take care of him (sexualy ) when he comes over - These men are usually married.

There is a homosexual community in the middle east which is hidden. Especially women, since they are only able to be and see other women.

-- Edited by lilchinita at 14:25, 2005-09-30

LGigolo · Comandante

I think that if GAYS (and LESBIANS) were meant to have kids - the Big Guy up there would have designed them in such way that they could have them without outsorsing part of the job.

Chale_Tanga · TOP Guru

IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY LISTENED TO YOUR PARENTS AND THEIR ADVICE, YOU WOULD NEVER BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE HAVING UN PROTECTED SEX RIGHT?

Wrong!
I've done a lot of things that my parents have told me not to do. Like I stated before.. not their fault, or faulty upbringing.. MY fault. My decision. My consequenses. At this stage of the game, I dont think its right to blame anyone but the individual him or herself.

AS YOU CAN TELL I'M NOT THA KIND OF PERSON THAT BELIEVES IN "OHHH IT JUST HAPPENED" ....THAT'S JUST FUNNY TO ME......ONCE YOU SPREAD YOUR LEGS, YOU BETTER BELIEVE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN AND BE READY TO TAKE FULL RESPONSABILITY NO MATTER THE TURN OUT

Im not the type to just spread my legs either... but b/c I choose to spread my legs to whomever I choose to spread my legs to, does not mean that its automatically due to unfundamental upbringing or faulty parenting. Its my choice. Things happen b/c you will them to happen, things happen b/c you allow them to happen and b/c its your decision and choice that they happen.

.IT'S NO SECRET THAT IN THE MIDDLE EAST THESE THINGS JUST DON'T HAPPEN, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THAT LIBERAL AND YOU JUST DON'T SLEEP AROUND AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN "OOOOPS I'M PREGNANT"
Girl, no culture is exempt from these things... no matter how great and righteous and morally correct and squeaky clean your upbringing may be... things happen, situations occur, accidents and unwanted occurances happen. Im sorry to tell you this girl, but I know of a few middle eastern girls that have gotten pregnant b/4 marriage... same way with spanish girls and italian girls and white girl and black girls and any other race of girls.

No worries on the block letters.... 'ta cool..

LaDyBuG · Comandante

Ok girl.....so here it is.......I think we agree on most points, but I have a different view that I didnt wanna get into and I wont on foro........it's just an opinion and view that I have on life and situations.......people that know me personally, will understand me (maybe not accept it....pero me entienden) LOL

First point I'd like to point out:
"lack of precautionary measures"
I fully blame the parents on this one.
I dont mean to be rude but, parents arent usually around when an unprotected dick goes inside the unprotected punani. Thats usually a decision that that people involved make for themselves. My parents have brought me up really well, with a strong foundation of family and children and respect, but I admit, there have been times when I just wasnt thinking. Thank God that I have never been in the situation where I might be expecting an 'unwanted' child... but even if that were to have happened, it would have been MY fault... not my parents. They werent in the room with me while I was getting it on. So the onus, I feel, stays with the individual... not the parent.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE.....AND THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT SELF CONTROL PLAYS A BIG PART (A MAJOR PART, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE OVER 19)......BUT.....IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY LISTENED TO YOUR PARENTS AND THEIR ADVICE, YOU WOULD NEVER BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE HAVING UN PROTECTED SEX RIGHT?.....AND WHERE "an unprotected dick goes inside the unprotected punani"........THAT'S JUST A DUMB ACTION ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO FAILED TO LISTEN......AS YOU CAN TELL I'M NOT THA KIND OF PERSON THAT BELIEVES IN "OHHH IT JUST HAPPENED" ....THAT'S JUST FUNNY TO ME......ONCE YOU SPREAD YOUR LEGS, YOU BETTER BELIEVE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN AND BE READY TO TAKE FULL RESPONSABILITY NO MATTER THE TURN OUT......

Next point:
but it's realisitc, logical and comes from an excellent up bringing LOL.........(then again I come from a different culture)
Oh LadyBug... my friend.... what does this mean???? Please dont tell me that you think that Latinos are brought up differently. Latinos have a very very strong sense of family and commitment and loyalty to each other. We look out for one another and family is a key part of our lives and culture.

I DEFINATELY THINK THAT LATINOS ARE BROUGHT UP DIFFERENTLY....AND SO ARE ORIENTALS AND SO ARE INDIANS AND SO ARE JAMAICANS.......EACH COUNTRY/CULTURE HAS A CERTAIN DEGREE OF LIBERAL ACTIONS AND BELIEFS WHEN IT COMES TO SEX.....AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.....IT'S NO SECRET THAT IN THE MIDDLE EAST THESE THINGS JUST DON'T HAPPEN, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THAT LIBERAL AND YOU JUST DON'T SLEEP AROUND AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN "OOOOPS I'M PREGNANT"....lol.....AND FAMILIES ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE LOYAL TO EACH OTHER WITH A STRONG SENSE OF COMITMENT....ETC.....NOT JUST LATINOS......IT'S JUST A KNOWN FACT THAT LOYALTY AND RESPECT ARE PRIORITES IN ASIA......MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE WORLD WIDE......BY SAYING I COME FROM A DIFFERENT CULTURE, I WASN'T INSINUATING NOTHING ABOUT LATINOS......

Next point:
As long as the parents are good people with morals, principles and EDUCATION......that's all that matters......
What type of education are we talking about here? B/c if youre refering to scholastic education, then I really truly must disagree with you. Scholastic education has NOTHING to do with your moral being. You could be the most highly educated indivual in the world, and yet you could be the worst person or parent ever. I agree with your first two, morals and principles... but in regards to education.. no. Education does not teach you respect for those around you, it does not teach you tolerance towards others and it does not teach you the foundational building blocks of life. I know a lot of 'uneducated' parents working in less than desireable conditions, that work up to 3 jobs just to provide for their households, to provide a scholastic education to their children and give them the luxuries and comforts that they were never able to enjoy. Scholastic education does not teach you that.

EDUCATION TO ME MEANS KNOWLEDGE......LIFE AND SCHOLAR EQUALLY......OF COURSE WITH PARENTHOOD EXPERIENCE IS WHAT COUNTS THE MOST.....BOOKS CAN NEVER TELL YOU HOW TO EXACTLY RAISE YOUR KIDS...IT'S A HANDS ON EXPERIENCE.....A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON WILL BE MORE INFORMED AS TO WHAT TO DO NEXT AND IN WHAT SITUATION WHEN AROUND THEIR CHILDREN....THEY WILL MAKE BETTER CHOICE FOR THEIR KIDS, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO HAS NO EDUCATION AT ALL......NEEDLESS TO SAY THAT ANY PARENT WILL DO THEIR BEST TO RAISE THEIR CHILD.....EVEN A CRACK HEAD.....BUT IT'S THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THE CHILD RECIEVES THAT WILL DETERMINE HIS/HER FUTURE AND OUTCOME...

SORRY GIRL...MY BOLD OPTION ISNT WORKING....SO I CAPITALIZED EVERYTHING......

Chale_Tanga · TOP Guru

@ LadyBug: Okay girl, you know that its all love on my end, but Im going to have to point out a few things that I COMEPLETLY do not agree with... (A little friendly discussion aint neva hurt no one )

First point I'd like to point out:
"lack of precautionary measures"
I fully blame the parents on this one.
I dont mean to be rude but, parents arent usually around when an unprotected dick goes inside the unprotected punani. Thats usually a decision that that people involved make for themselves. My parents have brought me up really well, with a strong foundation of family and children and respect, but I admit, there have been times when I just wasnt thinking. Thank God that I have never been in the situation where I might be expecting an 'unwanted' child... but even if that were to have happened, it would have been MY fault... not my parents. They werent in the room with me while I was getting it on. So the onus, I feel, stays with the individual... not the parent.

Next point:
but it's realisitc, logical and comes from an excellent up bringing LOL.........(then again I come from a different culture)
Oh LadyBug... my friend.... what does this mean???? Please dont tell me that you think that Latinos are brought up differently. Latinos have a very very strong sense of family and commitment and loyalty to each other. We look out for one another and family is a key part of our lives and culture.

Next point:
As long as the parents are good people with morals, principles and EDUCATION......that's all that matters......
What type of education are we talking about here? B/c if youre refering to scholastic education, then I really truly must disagree with you. Scholastic education has NOTHING to do with your moral being. You could be the most highly educated indivual in the world, and yet you could be the worst person or parent ever. I agree with your first two, morals and principles... but in regards to education.. no. Education does not teach you respect for those around you, it does not teach you tolerance towards others and it does not teach you the foundational building blocks of life. I know a lot of 'uneducated' parents working in less than desireable conditions, that work up to 3 jobs just to provide for their households, to provide a scholastic education to their children and give them the luxuries and comforts that they were never able to enjoy. Scholastic education does not teach you that.

In terms of your last paragraph:
I actually meant "single mothers popping out kids everywhere from different fathers".......equal blame goes to the dads......so just becuase they are straight, it doesn't mean that they are good parents, that's what I really meant to say.
Yes, I agree with you 100%.... very good point

LaDyBuG · Comandante

@ Chale

I feel very strong about children being born outside of wedlock & a father/mother (gay) family environment....so I won't get into details......especially because I myself have at least 9 friends who are single mothers and very loving and caring of their child (AS IT SHOULD BE....it's not a big deal like they make it out to be)......not everyone has had the proper parental guidance, education, love and support from friends & family to understand the concept of having a baby and it's importance.....

....my slogan for this millenium is "KIDS ARE HAVING KIDS"........so where are the adults throughout all this???...................anyway, one thing I wanna point out is this:

"lack of precautionary measures"
I fully blame the parents on this one.

Like I said before.....i have too many things to say about this topic...and my view may seem biased.....but it's realisitc, logical and comes from an excellent up bringing LOL.........(then again I come from a different culture)

As long as the parents are good people with morals, principles and EDUCATION......that's all that matters......

I wasn't trying to generalize single mothers.....I actually meant "single mothers popping out kids everywhere from different fathers".......equal blame goes to the dads......so just becuase they are straight, it doesn't mean that they are good parents, that's what I really meant to say.

-- Edited by LaDyBuG at 03:38, 2005-09-30

Chale_Tanga · TOP Guru

LaDyBuG wrote:

OR single young mothers who have pop out kids all over the place

Sorry girl.. but I really dont agree with this.... I think that this is really generalizing single young mothers. Not all of them are like this... Yes some are doing this, but not all. Unfortuntely for some of them, they become young mothers not out of choice, but rather from a lack of precautionary measures. I know a lot of single young mothers who absolutely adore their children and try to provide for them the best that they can. Some even avoid getting involved in another relationship for fear of taking attention away from their child or having another one while the first one is still young.

Caliche · Regular Plus

TV Buff wrote:

This just confirms it: you're definitely NOT the original Caliche. In fact, you're his nemesis.

I've just become more in tune with others and I have become accepting of opinions that I dont necessarily share. Its a matter of balance and respect, because after all, that is what makes the world go round

TV Buff · TOP Guru

Caliche wrote:

In regards to the gay parenting issue, I am all for it. If two people of the same sex are able to bring up a child in a loving and caring home, then I dont see the problem. There are too many households out there that are full of abuse and neglect, so if a child is able to be brought up in a loving and accepting home, then Im all for that. And besides, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay.

This just confirms it: you're definitely NOT the original Caliche. In fact, you're his nemesis.

Caliche · Regular Plus

In regards to the gay parenting issue, I am all for it. If two people of the same sex are able to bring up a child in a loving and caring home, then I dont see the problem. There are too many households out there that are full of abuse and neglect, so if a child is able to be brought up in a loving and accepting home, then Im all for that.

And besides, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay.

Chilenita · Comandante

TV Buff wrote:

D_Lo wrote: Thank you Miel. Finally someone that understands what I'm saying. CHILDREN LEARN BY EXAMPLE! I think you're both underestimating the mental capabilities of children, and their ability to receive love and their capacity to accept people as they are. Children need to be loved and protected, and it doesn't matter where the love and protection is coming from as long as it's there. This will assure healthy (and unbelievably open-minded and tolerant) children. Like John Lennon says, all they need is love.

Buffy for Prime Minister!!!!!!!

TV Buff · TOP Guru

D_Lo wrote:

Thank you Miel. Finally someone that understands what I'm saying. CHILDREN LEARN BY EXAMPLE!

I think you're both underestimating the mental capabilities of children, and their ability to receive love and their capacity to accept people as they are. Children need to be loved and protected, and it doesn't matter where the love and protection is coming from as long as it's there. This will assure healthy (and unbelievably open-minded and tolerant) children. Like John Lennon says, all they need is love.

Chilenita · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

Chilenita wrote: Well facking get interested then!!! hee hee kidding!! Bottom line is all you need to form a family is love!!! I am all about love and peace and just totally excepting people for who they are. I am not interested in what Chilenita has to say. P.S. Don't hit me.

Why are you lying!!! You are obsessed with my posts just admit it oh and you WANT me to hit you -

Okay GAYS RULE!!!

thanks this is a serious thread

Daeveed · Foro Master

Chilenita wrote:

Well facking get interested then!!! hee hee kidding!! Bottom line is all you need to form a family is love!!! I am all about love and peace and just totally excepting people for who they are.

I am not interested in what Chilenita has to say.

P.S. Don't hit me.

Chilenita · Comandante

Daeveed wrote:

I am not interested in this subject. I'm fine either way. Kids, no kids...whatever. As long as they're good parents, I don't care.

Well facking get interested then!!! hee hee kidding!!

Bottom line is all you need to form a family is love!!! I am all about love and peace and just totally excepting people for who they are.

Daeveed · Foro Master

I am not interested in this subject.

I'm fine either way. Kids, no kids...whatever. As long as they're good parents, I don't care.

Miel · Guru

@Chilenita,.. I understand ur point of view,. and I respect gays,...I m not aginst them,. and most of them say that since they were a kid they feel the atraction from the same sex,..probably they had issues in their family or anything else,.. Ur saying that ur friend's dad was a macho macho,. i m not psichologist but probably he didn't want to be like his dad,. and it could be one of the reason why he hanged out with girls at school,...i m not saying that s wrong,...(just an hipothesis) ,..One of my best friends is gay ,. and he even had girlfriends when we were in high school,. and he has told me that since he was a kid he had that preferrence,. but he thinks he chose that,..and also his life as a child has something to do with his decision,.. other example an old man ,. who has been friend of my family for years,.. he has told us,. that he doesn't beleive that gays are born that way,. it s an option,. u just choose it,.. and He is Gay,...this is just my opinion,.. but i respect everyone,..

Chilenita · Comandante

@Miel....one of my childhood friends who is Portuguese (his dad was like super duper macho man) is a gay man!! Let me tell you Miel his parents are hardcore OLD SCHOOL!!!! I remeber being 6 yrs old and even at that age (now that I think back) he was gay!! He always got teased from the BOYS in the hood (scarborough) growing up because he just prefered to hang out with girls. He was always GAY!! We were 6 and he was gay!! When I liked COREY HAIM so did he and we were kids!! As he got older he started to understand what his feelings were all about. He started to realize that no matter how much he tried and he DID try he just was NOT attracted to females. I saw him struggle and try to lead a straight life but as time went on he just couldn't. He came out to his parents finally after years of keeping everything a secret and they never spoke to him again. He was BORN gay!!! He wished and wished he could be striaght but he was born GAY!! His parents missed out on everything in his life! He is a lawyer now that makes crazy cash and has wonderful partner who is loving and great!!!

When I do decide to finally marry it will be with an open minded man......I need that type of man so that my kids will grow to love people for who they are. I don't need some nut who won't let my kids visit with my best friend and his partner!

I'll leave it at that as I am sure I am not going to change anyones mind and reading this stuff is just annoying...

D_Lo · Senior Member

Thank you Miel.

Finally someone that understands what I'm saying.

CHILDREN LEARN BY EXAMPLE!

Miel · Guru

In my opinion,. it s gonna be very difficult for the kids to understand homosexuality,. yes ,. it s something that is part of our society and we ,as adults, understand that,.. but the kids learn by the examples from their parents,.. and if they see that two women or men,. are a couple ,. they 'll think that every family is like that,...the girl/boy won't understand the differences,...probably they will be confused ,... they r just children ,.. I m not against homosexuality but I have problems believing in gay couples raising kids,..

@Chilenita,.. I don't think gays/lesbians are born that way,.. they choose that sexual orientation,. unless they were born hermaphrodites,... and then they have to decide what r they,.. woman or man,..

D_Lo · Senior Member

I dont want stop them from having kids.

Are you reading what I'm writing? Im glad they are given choices, Im just saying that to me I dont think its right.

Its my entitled opinion.

miguel · TOP Guru

D_Lo wrote:

All I'm saying is that I dont feel confortable with them having kids, to me its weird and thats my opinion.

soooo... how would you propose to stop them from having kids exactly?

-- Edited by miguel at 11:22, 2005-09-29