[B]PERFECT EXAMPLE OF LEGAL JUSTICE FAILING TO PUNISH THOSE THAT ARE GUILTY:[/B]

Another big challenge posed by domestic violence are the gaps in the legal system’s ability to punish those responsible and bring them to justice. In El Salvador in 1999, nine year old Katia Miranda was raped and murdered during the night in her family home, while her father, uncle (both members of the security services) and grandfather (lawyer and main suspect) were sleeping in the vicinity. The scene of the crime was destroyed. The case was plagued by errors and delays and the accused (father, grandfather and two bodyguards) were finally acquitted. Although the Office of the Human Rights Procurator strongly condemned the way the case was handled, including at the highest level, NGOs are still fighting for such crimes to be fully investigated and for those responsible to be punished.

The mother of this little girl had to flee the country because the father's family was threatning to kill her and her other daughter.

Miel wrote:

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El golpe que un crimal deja a la sociedad es irrevecible,. es cierto,. pero como dices nunca vamos a estar seguros si la persona siendo ejecutada es la correcta,. nosotros somos governados por humanos,.lamentablemente en este mundo nosotros somos los que decidimos que clase de "justicia" se debe adminitrar. Dios creo mandamientos , pero son muy pocos los que lo siguen,.. entonces de que otra manera la persona que hace mal va a cumplir su pena,..??? ,.. estando en la carcel muchas veces es solo privarlos de la libertad,. pero igual las comodidades la tienen(por lo menos en norte-america) mas aun si tienen un buen abogado y dinero.En muchos de los paises latinoamericanos si alguien mata , viola o hace algun acto criminal bastante repulsivo,. asi el juez no lo juzque a la pena de muerte es mas que seguro que lo s otros reclusos lo maten,.. Ademas la persona que fue asesinada tampoco merecia morir,.. Estoy de acuerdo en la pena de muerte ,. dependiendo de la gravedad del crimen cometido.   

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De la manera que yo lo miro, hay jefes de estado y miembros de la oligarquía que han cometido mayores y más horrendos crímenes, y en muchísimos mayores números que petty criminals, y aun asi ellos siguen en el poder y hasta les guardamos reverencia y respeto. El sistema judicial es solo una marioneta de algo mucho más grande. Y que hay de White collar criminals? Ellos tambien pueden cometer muchos más crímenes y/o pagarle a alguien para que los cometan y no por eso dejan de tener menos culpa and yet...

TV Buff wrote:

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  Like most of you have said, there are so many grey areas in choosing whether I'm for or against capital punishment. The problem I see is with the legal system and the loopholes that exist to punish the real criminals or separate those who are innocent. (Look at Karla Homolka, for God's sake!) But will killing them make them disappear? I very much doubt it. Will criminals rehabilitate? Most likely not, but like someone said, there's more to criminals than just getting rid of them by incarceration. This is a social issue, and I don't think it is sufficient to kill a few. But somebody has to pay, right? At least in taxpayers' eyes, it looks good and the average Joe feels safe when SOMEBODY pays for a crime. I'm just not sure that the right people are the ones being executed.

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El golpe que un crimal deja a la sociedad es irrevecible,. es cierto,. pero como dices nunca vamos a estar seguros si la persona siendo ejecutada es la correcta,. nosotros somos governados por humanos,.lamentablemente en este mundo nosotros somos los que decidimos que clase de "justicia" se debe adminitrar. Dios creo mandamientos , pero son muy pocos los que lo siguen,.. entonces de que otra manera la persona que hace mal va a cumplir su pena,..??? ,.. estando en la carcel muchas veces es solo privarlos de la libertad,. pero igual las comodidades la tienen(por lo menos en norte-america) mas aun si tienen un buen abogado y dinero.En muchos de los paises latinoamericanos si alguien mata , viola o hace algun acto criminal bastante repulsivo,. asi el juez no lo juzque a la pena de muerte es mas que seguro que lo s otros reclusos lo maten,.. Ademas la persona que fue asesinada tampoco merecia morir,.. Estoy de acuerdo en la pena de muerte ,. dependiendo de la gravedad del crimen cometido. 

 

JOKER_ESCO wrote:

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 HOWMANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PROVEN INOCENTES DESPUES QUE FUERON EJECUTADOS??? SO I AM NOT DOWN WITH THIS........

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I'm with joker on this one. 

I also say how are we any better then the killer if we're doing the same as them.  We would be murdering them.  So what it's okay to kill them, because the government is the one who is doing it, cus it's legal.  That's a bunch of bull.  I know that what they did was wrong, but who are we to decide whether they die or not.  In my opinion that's up to God to decide and him only.  I say let the murderers stay in jail for the rest of their lives. 

Para mi o es negro o es blanco.Eres bueno o eres malo.  La pena de muerte si no me equivoco es solo dictada a las personas que han matado o han hecho algun acto criminal extremo. Por ejemplo si alguien mata a alguien, no es solo el hecho de matar sino tambien todo el daño que se le deja a los familiares y a toda una sociedad. Todos nuestros actos tienen consecuencias. Tambien creo en lo que dice Daveed , la respuesta esta en quienes administran la justicia, pero lamentablemente la poblacion esta manejada por los governantes, es como una piramide y los que sufrimos el peso somos el pueblo. Sobre lo que planteo genie sobre la rehabilitacion , no creo que un criminal se pueda rehabilitar, porque el o los actos criminales que haya n realizado tienen un proceso en la mente de la persona, y esos actos solo son el resultado. Entonces si alguien fue capaz de comerte algo asi , sea cual fuera el acto criminal, es capaz de volverlo a cometer.

GENIE wrote:

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Ok since were on the topic Do You guys think that Criminals can be "Rehablitated"?? I mean will a criminal always be a criminial?? See for me if you hang around criminals all day one of two things will happen you will react and be like oh man wtf did i do or be like damn that guy was smarter next time ill stick the knife in and twist?? so truly do they get better no i dont think so!!  

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I PERSONALLY THINK THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF PUTTING A CRIMINAL IN REHAB IS NOT WORTH IT!

ANYBODY CAN BEHAVE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME....WHAT WILL HAPPEN ONCE THAT CRIMINAL IS OUT OF REHAB?   

X4v13r wrote:

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 @Princesssa who knows, she could be ur neighbour in the future....now thats scary X@vier

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LOL, LOL......is that so. Well maybe will become good friends, so u better be good to me......sino I'll find a way to get rid of you. Hahaha

GREAT question Genie......hard to answer!! I am not sure really wether or not our system is set up for them to be rehabilitated. Karla for example is as nuts as ever in my opinion and and many criminals break the law again

Ok since were on the topic

Do You guys think that Criminals can be "Rehablitated"?? I mean will a criminal always be a criminial??

See for me if you hang around criminals all day one of two things will happen you will react and be like oh man wtf did i do or be like damn that guy was smarter next time ill stick the knife in and twist?? so truly do they get better no i dont think so!!

 

Great points Daveed!!!!!

I think anyone that HURTS, ABUSES any women, minor or even men should be punished the same way back, but just 10 times more WORST. The damage that these A$$hles create to those harmmed & their Families should not be easy to get off the hook. For example that Karla girl......OMG I couldn't even imagine how the families of those girls affected feel to see such a thing. I'm sorry but that's horrible. As any of those affected families I would of liked for her to be punished a lot harder & never out of jail.

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Afrodita wrote:

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Chilenita wrote: Some were not around when this was discussed......are you for it or against it? I just think getting killed would be a criminal's easy way out. Torture them for life instead.

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Better yet – KILL them, but TORTURE THEM FIRST - - - getting rid of them for good (people who kill/rape kids for instance) would ensure them to NEVER EVER be able to do that crime again…

It may also make the thread more fun if we enlist capital punishment as un castigo para aquellos que empiezan su cyber fun en el foro! LOL  

Afrodita wrote:

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Chilenita wrote:
Some were not around when this was discussed......are you for it or against it?


I just think getting killed would be a criminal's easy way out.
Torture them for life instead.

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I'm with Afrodita on this one.......killing some1 is the easy way out for them keep them and torture them is better in my opinion.

so i voted against it but u need torture as an option.

X@vier

Chilenita wrote:

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Some were not around when this was discussed......are you for it or against it?

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I just think getting killed would be a criminal's easy way out.
Torture them for life instead.