We are all entitled to our own opinions but the name calling is just dumb! Phantasma has a point Cubans are usually VERY well educated and I am surprised that you would defend your point by name calling as opposed to facts.
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quote: Originally posted by: Anonymous "y quien ere tu yesi para decirme donde yo puedo vivir. yo amo a cuba y vivo donde se me de la gana y no voy a permitir que algunos vagabundos de este foro que no tienen nada que hacer con sus vidas hablen estupideces y cosas que no saben. si no sabes de lo que estan hablando no des tu punto de vista y listo. esta claro? "
No creo q seas Cubano porque los cubanos son educados. No creo q alguien con la calidad humana que poseen los cubanos se rebajaria a insultar a otra persona sin ni siquiera validar tu punto de vista por lo menos con una opinion o punto contrario y mucho menos escondido atras del anonimo.
-- Edited by Phantasma at 15:05, 2005-05-24
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what? you found Manuel Noreaga? In the Phillipines? He has a mansion? Ok, we on it, on it, right now!
Eres un estupido para que crees que esta este foro, para dar la opinion de uno. Y si ellos quieren poner sus esperiensias o opiniones es su problema.
A quien le llamas vagabundos que yo sepa todos en este foro tienen donde vivir y trabajan por superarce claro no puedo decir lo mismo de ti por que gracias a dios no te conosco. Por si no lo sabes la majoria de este foro somos personas profesionales y por lo visto tu no lo eres ya que no puedes aceptar opiniones ajenas.
y quien ere tu yesi para decirme donde yo puedo vivir. yo amo a cuba y vivo donde se me de la gana y no voy a permitir que algunos vagabundos de este foro que no tienen nada que hacer con sus vidas hablen estupideces y cosas que no saben. si no sabes de lo que estan hablando no des tu punto de vista y listo. esta claro?
quote: Originally posted by: Anonymous "tu eres una mentirosa, yo soy cubano y nunca en mi vida he visto eso que tu dices. Es mejor que cierres el hocico y dejes de decir babosadas. P.D. No creo que en Cuba haya mas pobreza que en el pais de donde tu provienes ( Mexico)."
Hey Anony who are you talking too?? if you love cuba so much get the heck out of here. oh and registered ok. Because everyone is entitle to their opinion in this foro so if you like it read it if you don't then don't.
I do not think anyone here is offending Cuba their just posting their point of view
quote: Originally posted by: Phantasma "So you are telling us that there is a country in latin america where people live in poverty and sub-standard conditions!?!?!?!? No freakin kiddin genius! the whole continent is like that, people all over Latin America are poor and have no place to live. I have personally been to Cuba and spent quite a bit of time in the city talking to the cuban people and I can tell you first hand this American propaganda you are pushin here is nothing like the real Cuba. Granted Cuba is a very poor nation but not any worse than many other latin countries. The PRIMARY reason for the transportation crisis is the embargo the United States has impossed upon them which prevents them from buying enough Oil to sustain a viable transportation sytem. Even with the choke hold the USA has on the supplies that are allowed to reach the island Cuban ingenuity is such that they have managed to develop state of the art alternative energy sources in order to survive. The state of the country is far from ideal, Buildings are indeed in great disrepair but its once again due to the lack of resources from which the country suffers (remember Cuba is an island so certain things must be imported, which is hard when you have Big Brother bullying everybody not to trade with you) Ive never heard about it being ilegal for people to fix their homes, but I must admit I never really asked cause they towns where I stayed (in the interior) most homes looked nice. When I think about it, sure its inconvenient to move away from work into your new GOVERNMENT PROVIDED home but when you condider the alternative our countries use: Having to move just does not seem that bad to me anymore... keep in mind the above is not Cuba but another so called "democratic" Latin American country which despite having pretty much sold the entire country to American interests still suffers from poverty and diseace. Cuba is one of the 8 most advanced nations in the world (not latin nations, OVERALL) in the medical field, has virtually a 100% literacy rate (also one of the highest in the world) is the only Latin american country to offer free health care and post secundary education to all his citizens."
Okay so I am now a Phantasma fan!!!!!!
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quote: Originally posted by: The Fan "I don't know if its ok to force people to leave in poor conditions just to justify a movent, call it socialismo or else - but i am sure Castro house is much better that a regular cuban, In Canada we also have free healthcare not free homes but the goverment have many programs that help you get one on your own. I think the goverment job is to help you became a better person not spoil you or force you to give up dreams in exchange of a free house. Cuba does not leave in a DEMOCRACY because they have no CHOICE they only follow instructions. of bid DADDY Castro. I just think Chavez should help their Cubans friends the same way the Gringos help their partners. "
No one is forcing them to be poor, they are poor because like most of our countries, the nation is poor. The only difference is that that in Cuba they do not have the class system that is prevalent everywhere else where there are a few extremelly rich people and a large mayority of poor people.
Also.. isnt Castro the leader of the country? where would you have him live? Is your house the same as the prime minister's house?
Lastly... CUba does not live in a democracy BY DEFINITION, its a Socialist country, duh!
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what? you found Manuel Noreaga? In the Phillipines? He has a mansion? Ok, we on it, on it, right now!
I don't know if its ok to force people to leave in poor conditions just to justify a movent, call it socialismo or else - but i am sure Castro house is much better that a regular cuban, In Canada we also have free healthcare not free homes but the goverment have many programs that help you get one on your own.
I think the goverment job is to help you became a better person not spoil you or force you to give up dreams in exchange of a free house.
Cuba does not leave in a DEMOCRACY because they have no CHOICE they only follow instructions. of bid DADDY Castro.
I just think Chavez should help their Cubans friends the same way the Gringos help their partners.
i was in cuba last week and spent a bit of time in the interior away from all the tourist zones..
while cubans have it bad and i wouldn't want to live under a regime that imposes so many restrictions on my being, theydo not starve to death, have free healthcare and free homes. it's true that even the most well educated cubans are living in conditions that do not reflect their eearning potentials in other countries.. but.. i've definitely seen more poverty in south america, by far!!!!.
about the embargo (not mucho OIL) what about getting some from their bodies the Venezuela goverment, everybody know that Castro and Chavez are good political partners.
the different is that in others part of poor latin american the people can leave to other countries for a better future but as far as i know is not that easy for a cuban to leave their country. now that is not DEMOCRACY.
So you are telling us that there is a country in latin america where people live in poverty and sub-standard conditions!?!?!?!?
No freakin kiddin genius! the whole continent is like that, people all over Latin America are poor and have no place to live. I have personally been to Cuba and spent quite a bit of time in the city talking to the cuban people and I can tell you first hand this American propaganda you are pushin here is nothing like the real Cuba.
Granted Cuba is a very poor nation but not any worse than many other latin countries. The PRIMARY reason for the transportation crisis is the embargo the United States has impossed upon them which prevents them from buying enough Oil to sustain a viable transportation sytem. Even with the choke hold the USA has on the supplies that are allowed to reach the island Cuban ingenuity is such that they have managed to develop state of the art alternative energy sources in order to survive.
The state of the country is far from ideal, Buildings are indeed in great disrepair but its once again due to the lack of resources from which the country suffers (remember Cuba is an island so certain things must be imported, which is hard when you have Big Brother bullying everybody not to trade with you)
Ive never heard about it being ilegal for people to fix their homes, but I must admit I never really asked cause they towns where I stayed (in the interior) most homes looked nice. When I think about it, sure its inconvenient to move away from work into your new GOVERNMENT PROVIDED home but when you condider the alternative our countries use:
Having to move just does not seem that bad to me anymore... keep in mind the above is not Cuba but another so called "democratic" Latin American country which despite having pretty much sold the entire country to American interests still suffers from poverty and diseace.
Cuba is one of the 8 most advanced nations in the world (not latin nations, OVERALL) in the medical field, has virtually a 100% literacy rate (also one of the highest in the world) is the only Latin american country to offer free health care and post secundary education to all his citizens.
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what? you found Manuel Noreaga? In the Phillipines? He has a mansion? Ok, we on it, on it, right now!
I just checked out the link and read it thoroughly plus saw the pics. I was sadened to see this. I was in Cuba 3 years ago when I was recording with Ricardo Arjona and I vaguely remember Havana looking somewhat similar. I was only there for 3 days so I didn't really see anything. Plus, I was with Puetro Rican/Americans who painted out this picture that if I stepped out on the street, I was gonna get harmed. So I wasn't allowed out. But I personally have a passion for the cuban people. My greatest friends here in the city are cuban and they are all heartwarming people with so much life in them. I've been encouraged by alot of them to go back and see the city for myself. Even after seeing those pictures, I would definately LOVE to go and visit Havana. One thing I love when I take my trips to Mexico is the humility and the happiness I see in the poorest people. They don't worry about material sh!t like we do. They have different values that we lack here. They focus on love, family and health. Things we hardly think about once them bills get mailed to us. So I mean talking to these people and get insight on how their lifestyle is would be a great lesson in itself. If you guys are free tonight and every Friday, there's this little intimate place called Cervejaria Downtown. 60% of the people that go there are cuban. It features a Son Cubano band that I play in called Son Ache. I think it's so much different than any other place. Everybody gets along so well and I have created great friendships with cuban people through this venue. There isn't any dress code and the service is great. I've been the DJ there for the past month so any requests I'll gladly take. I just wish this opression in Cuba finds its answer and the beautiful people can live prosperously without being help back by freakin' stupid politics.
mad luv,
Ricky F
-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 01:07, 2005-05-23
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i've been to cuba, and sure, where i was it was for tourists. so it was very nice looking...we didn't go much into the city to see all this, but i wouldn't deny that much of this is true.
one of our tour guides told us that it's illegal for cubanos to repair their house...leaky roof? too bad, you can't fix it...they can go to prison if caught even putting a brick to their falling walls.
If the house is falling apart the government offers them another house...sounds good, but it usually involves moving further away from family and work...so it's hard...if they do decide to move, el govierno takes ownership of that house and they fix it up for tourists.
sad but true.
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